echo, intends that this echo be used for discussions of any subject
related to SF fandom. So: Trek, Who, Anime are all acceptable topics.
Of course, any literary sf topic is obviously "in bounds". Related
technical discussions are also allowable, but try not to go off into
"my computer is better than your computer" arguments. And, oh yes, I
also allow discussions of role playing games (fantasy and otherwise).
After all, RPGers are frequently sffen too! (Just try to keep things
VAGUELY in the sf/fantasy area in your discussions, please?) FANTASY
IS ON TOPIC. FANTASY IS ON TOPIC. FANTASY IS ON TOPIC. And what I
tell you three times is true...
Once ye olde moderator declares a thread "off topic" PLEASE DROP THE
SUBJECT. Take any further comments to NETMAIL. Repeated infractions
of this rule can result in nastygrams from the Moderator...
Personal attacks are to be kept off the echo; but remember that to
attack the idea is NOT the same thing as attacking the holder of that
idea. Keep things "nice" -- no obscene language, no hitting below the
belt.
I'd like people to be a bit more careful with the quoting functions
of their editors. Please do NOT quote entire messages (including the
origin lines). Quote only what is necessary. Show a little bit of
kindness for the sysops who have to pay to transports these messages
all over the world.
Commercial messages (anything that solicits money) are OFF TOPIC. If
you're going to make money on the deal, TAKE IT TO NETMAIL. This is
not a "for sale" echo, nor is it an "investor's hotline" echo.
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Msg : 104 of 185
From : Nicolai Shapero 1:102/524 .ōp 16 .íâ 96 06:56
To : All
Subj : Msg 2 of 3: Rules
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Rules for SFFAN (Message 2 of 3)
No one by the name of Arthur Werner, Sal Devita, or any variants
thereof is permitted on this echo. We do NOT need the Werner-beast,
in ANY of his incarnations, on this echo. In keeping with the spirit
of this rule, Bob Charles is also banned from this echo -- for life.
It is requested that no sysop allow access to or provide a feed for
SFFAN to this individual.
Hanah Deborah is also banned from this echo for an indefinite period,
as is Graeme Smith.
If message traffic is being gated into this conference from any other
network, then each message must show in the origin line, the FidoNet
address of the system that is doing the gating so that netmail may be
properly directed to users posting from the other network. The gating
station MUST BE LISTED IN THE FIDONET NODELIST AS AN APPROVED GATEWAY
STATION!
The first time that anyone breaks one of these or other FidoNet rules
I will try and notify them via netmail. Depending upon the infraction,
I may also post a message in the echo. Repeated infractions may result
in the offender being banned from the echo, either for a limited time or
forever. I do not need variants on the Werner-beast on this echo!
Sysops are held fully accountable for the actions of all users on their
BBSs. Failure by a sysop to properly discipline a user, or failure of
a sysop to suspend access of a user on request of the Moderator may
result in loss of access to this echo. Sysops who violate the rules of
this conference, in spirit or letter, are subject to having their feeds
cut without further warning. I am fully prepared to go "up the line" on
this one, folks, so DO NOT PUSH YOUR LUCK. Any sysop who starts playing
"rules lawyer" (and I think you all understand what I'm talking about)
is subject to having his feed cut without further warning. Feed cuts
will be FOR A MINIMUM OF SIX MONTHS, WITH A MANDATORY ONE YEAR
PROBATIONARY PERIOD FOLLOWING RESTORATION OF ACCESS. Any violation of
the rules in spirit or letter during the probationary period makes the
offending sysop subject to permanent loss of feed.
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Msg : 105 of 185
From : Nicolai Shapero 1:102/524 .ōp 16 .íâ 96 06:57
To : All
Subj : Msg 3 of 3: Rules
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Rules for SFFAN (Message 3 of 3)
In the event that I become unable to continue as moderator for SFFAN,
Kay Shapero will serve in my stead unless and until she decides to
step down. This is not a democracy. No one gets to vote on who the
moderator will be.
High order ASCII characters (IBM graphics characters) are not allowed
in messages on this echo. They cause great grief for a lot of systems
and their use is to be avoided.
Special characters or strings as in those used for Postscript, TeX,
and similar page description languages are not to be used in SFFAN. I
would much prefer to see standard BBS practices followed (fake under-
score or all caps for emphasis).
These rules are not to be taken as all inclusive. The moderator re-
serves the right to add rules any time he deems it necessary to main-
tain the character of the echo.
For those readers out there who think that SF fandom is just bit too
strange for words, just zip over to one of the OTHER conferences; it
will only get weirder here.
The following people are on probation for rules violations or other
problems on the echo:
Name End of Probation
============= =================
Dan Gannon (1:105/292) 15 January 1996
The following individuals have received an "invitation to the world":
They are banned from this echo until the date listed after their
names. These are "temporary" suspensions of SFFAN echomail priviledges,
but they are total (no read or write access permitted to SFFAN -- all
sysops carrying this echo are asked to comply)
Name End of Suspension
============= =================
Michael Weir (1:147/61) 5 May 1996
John Giannini (1:119/50) 23 March 1996
Chris Thurman (1:141/415) 1 May 1996
The following is a list of STATIONS that for which the feed of SFFAN
has been ordered cut. Such cuts are for a minimum 6 month period,
and have additional probationary periods following restoration
of service:
Name End of Suspension
============= =================
-- Nicolai Shapero, the slightly bemused sysop of StormGate Aerie
Moderator of the SFFAN echo.
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Msg : 106 of 185
From : Kay Shapero 1:102/524 .ōp 16 .íâ 96 13:51
To : Todd Sullivan
Subj : nuclear BS
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On , Todd Sullivan (1:202/720.3) wrote to Kay Shapero:
TS>Reactors use Uranium 238, which doesn't fission well; Weapons use
TS>U-235 and Plutonium 240 and 241, all of which fission quite well.
TS>The processing of each uses different methods, plus the fact that
TS>reactors are built for steady and reliable output, not the
TS>uncontrolled blast of a bomb.
TS>The methods and motives behind each are mutually exclusive.
Comments prefixed with letters and > are quotes from other people, witness the
one of yours I just quoted. Quotes appear in replies so as to let the person to
whom the reply is directed what the reply is about. Yes, I know you don't get
nuclear explosions from power plants. The guy I was writing *to* and who made
the statement you are evidently replying to seemed to think that a steam
explosion served as a counter example. I was informing him that this was not
the case.
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Msg : 107 of 185
From : David Johnston 1:342/14 .ōp 16 .íâ 96 09:27
To : Nicolai Shapero
Subj : Nuclear Bs
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> Corporations? Hmm...seems to me that there's no such thing, really,
-> as a corporation. There are people who have, for one reason or
-> another, banded together. But if there are people working a site,
-> and Greenpeace "commando-types" should FOR WHATEVER REASON attack
-> that site, it will be people who will get hurt, not some anonymous,
-> faceless "corporation".
Greenpeace doesn't actually "attack", in the sense of injuring anyone or
engaging in violence. They normally restrict their actions to things
such as sailing ships into nuke zones or between whalers and their prey,
and blocking gates of power plants. That sort of thing.
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Msg : 108 of 185
From : David Johnston 1:342/14 .ōp 16 .íâ 96 09:29
To : Philip Crookes
Subj : Nuclear
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-> > Barring a complete collapse of our civilization, I imagine > that
-> the purple trefoil will remain a good warning. If it's
-> Turkish people, and some Asian societies, shake their heasds when
-> they mean 'yes'
-> It would not be hard to suppos ethat a purple trefoil could be
-> interpreted as meaning...
-> playground
-> sex parlour
-> lunch
-> safety
-> friends
Irrelevant. Purple trefoils are a world-wide standard.
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Msg : 109 of 185
From : David Johnston 1:342/14 .pä 17 .íâ 96 00:27
To : Phill Ash
Subj : Sliders Comic
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> DJ> "As of this writing, the Sliders TV show has been scheduled to
-> DJ> return as a mid season replacement on Fox, starting sometime in
-> early DJ> '96. Stay updated and in tune on Slider's continuity as the
-> (comic DJ> book) miniseries picks up where the TV show leaves off.
-> Don't get left DJ> out of the excitement and miss this landmark
-> miniseries..."
-> Good deal! One more question, though.
-> (pulling out my Lt Columbo notebook)
-> Who did you say was publishing that comic?
"Acclaim Comics". The same guys doing those "Magic, the Card Game"
comics.
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Msg : 110 of 185
From : David Johnston 1:342/14 .pä 17 .íâ 96 00:28
To : Stephen Adams
Subj : Nowhere Man
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> Not personally, but I'm sure that there are. I suppose if a person
-> doesn't believe in conspiracies, of any kind, at all, then viewing
-> Nowhere Man would be a waste of time.
Oh, I believe that conspiracies exist. I just don't believe that they
