DJ> Do you know anyone who just balks at the utter implausibility of
DJ> what is going on?
SA>
SA> Not personally, but I'm sure that there are. I suppose if a
SA> person doesn't believe in conspiracies, of any kind, at all, then
SA> viewing Nowhere Man would be a waste of time.
Me. Me! ME! (Waving hand frantically to attract attention....)
That describes me perfectly. I balk at the utter implausibility of a
conspiracy which is at the same time so all-encompassing that it can
make Tom Veil's entire life vanish in the time it takes him to visit
the bathroom in a restaurant AND which cannot pry relatively simple
information out of a man they've successfully confined to a mental
hospital (using drugs, torture, threats against loved ones, or simple
sleep deprivation).
--- PPoint 1.78
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Msg : 131 of 185
From : Mark Jones 1:105/302.47 .ōp 16 .íâ 96 21:18
To : David Johnston
Subj : Nuclear
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (15 Jan 96) David Johnston wrote to Mark Jones...
DJ> -> The problem with your plan--learning to hunt and hang out on a
DJ> -> reservation--is that about 200,000,000 other people will be
DJ> -> having much the same idea. And the land can't possibly support
DJ> -> even a tiny fraction of that many. Remember--the native
DJ> -> american population was
DJ>
DJ> Of course it can't. But I'm losing track of your point. If
DJ> electricity magically stops working, many people would die, (but
DJ> on the bright side there will be a lot more agricultural jobs).
DJ> What does is the supposed significance of this?
I was responding to a statement that, if electricity vanished, she
would go live on a reservation and hunt for her food.
I was pointing out that she wouldn't be the only one with that idea,
and that there are vastly more people living on this continent than
the land can support without an extensive farming and transportation
infrastructure. 250,000,000 people trying to live off the land on a
continent which has nowhere near as much wilderness (and corresponding
amounts of game) as it did a few centuries ago (when probably less
than ONE million indians roamed it) is a recipe for mass starvation.
--- PPoint 1.78
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Msg : 132 of 185
From : Mark Jones 1:105/302.47 .ōp 16 .íâ 96 21:23
To : Ken Mayes
Subj : nuclear BS
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (15 Jan 96) Ken Mayes wrote to Barton Paul Levenson...
KM> remember reading somewhere...I can't remember where darnit, so take it
KM> with a grain of salt, but I read somewhere that not one single nuclear
KM> power station had yet broken even financially, despite the fact that
KM> many have been in operation for thirty years or more and are nearing
KM> the end of their operational lives.
The expenses are primarily the result of endless litigation and
endless wrangles with bureaucrats and red tape. The hardware and
operating costs for the *plants* are probably a pretty small part of
the costs involved.
KM> The fact that the nuclear industry still pushes for more and
KM> more reactors despite losses in the billions tells me that there is
KM> someone somewhere making a killing figuratively if not literally.
Really? As I understand it, there hasn't been a single new reactor
ordered or licensed in something like twenty years. I suspect the
industry has been fighting to get existing plants online, to try to
recoup some of the costs of building them. I could be wrong, though.
--- PPoint 1.78
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Msg : 133 of 185
From : Nicolai Shapero 1:102/524 .pä 17 .íâ 96 19:59
To : Chip Griffin
Subj : Re: nuclear
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On , Chip Griffin (1:320/301) wrote to Nicolai Shapero:
CG>Not if you're going to get enough power to be useful. Broadcast
CG>transmitters
CG>emit a lot of power, but not enough is received to be usable.
CG>There would be
CG>a high loss to the atmosphere to I think ...
The studies done at JPL showed otherwise. More than enough power gets through
to be useful. Oh, and by the by, there's a fair amount of loss in power
transmission through conventional power grids too...
-- Nicolai Shapero, the Mad Russian Sysop of StormGate Aerie
--- msged 2.06
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Msg : 134 of 185
From : Nicolai Shapero 1:102/524 .pä 17 .íâ 96 20:00
To : Chip Griffin
Subj : Re: NUCLEAR paradox?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On , Chip Griffin (1:320/301) wrote to Nicolai Shapero:
CG>True, but can we safely sustain it? There is no metal known to
CG>man which can
CG>contain the temperatures achieved (necessary) during/for fusion.
Magnetic containment of the plasma. (By the by, just because we have no metals
that will tolerate a given temperature range does not mean that we can't build
something that will run at that temperature, witness Aurora. At 4000+ knots,
you better believe that the skin on that baby would be hot enough to melt most
metals...so what are they made of? Those that know, can't tell...those that
tell, don't know...)
-- Nicolai Shapero, the Mad Russian Sysop of StormGate Aerie
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Msg : 135 of 185
From : Nicolai Shapero 1:102/524 .pä 17 .íâ 96 20:03
To : Chip Griffin
Subj : Re: nuclear BS
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On , Chip Griffin (1:320/301) wrote to Nicolai Shapero:
CG>radio, any two way radio, gamma radiation are all the same thing
CG>... the only
CG>differences are the frequency of the wave and the energy level
CG>(amplitude) ...
I am well aware of the fact that they're all electromagnetic radiation. My
point was, however, that we did not use gamma radiation in conventional
microwave ovens. (If we could produce gamma at will by the flip of a switch
there are a LOT of toys that we could build a heck of a lot easier than the way
we build 'em now...)
-- Nicolai Shapero, the Mad Russian Sysop of StormGate Aerie
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Msg : 136 of 185
From : Nicolai Shapero 1:102/524 .pä 17 .íâ 96 20:06
To : Bianca Wesslak
Subj : nuclear
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On , Bianca Wesslak (1:132/152) wrote to Mark Jones:
BW>to my instincs and my intuition. Should electricity just go away
BW>those
BW>people on a reservation have more of a chance to survive than we
BW>do,
BW>living in the suburbs. They have faced a lot of harsh
BW>conditions.
Bullpuckey. No tech means most everyone dies. Period. The country cannot
support 250+ million people without high tech. Throw away the high tech, and
some 240+ million people will HAVE to die. And in the crash that would follow,
bloody near everyone else would likeley die as well.
BW>Besides it's the only plan that I can think of. The fall of
BW>electricity
BW>has on upside, a lot of the bombs that the military controls,
BW>won't be
BW>able to be set off.
Right. So instead of being vaporized (which is at least quick and relatively
painless) we'd all get to starve to death. Joy of joys unbounded. Feh!
-- Nicolai Shapero, the Mad Russian Sysop of StormGate Aerie
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Msg : 137 of 185
From : Channon Lang 1:130/809 .åō 18 .íâ 96 01:43
To : Michael Harper
Subj : Re: Star Trek
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: GE 1.11+
From a dark bottomless pit,Michael Harper screamed up to Channon Lang about Star
Trek..
CL> Isn't it interesting that 30 years ago Star Trek was on the edge about
CL> everything, and now it's considered safe? Times they are a changin',
CL> eh?
MH> Most definitely, dear. For its time, Trek was one of the most daring
MH> shows ever done. It still has its moments...
What do you think about the individual Star Treks? I wasn't sure about
DS9, but they seem to have finally started writing interesting ones. I
like the way the story is going right at the moment. Voyager, however, I
think is floudering right at the moment in the writing department.
MH> The studio is responsible for the lag between the pilot and the first
MH> episode. Execs. Shoot 'em all and shove 'em out the damn airlock. Let
MH> the people who actually know what they're doing run the studios for a
MH> change...
Hollywood without Execs.? Hmmmm....You mean things might actually get done?
Perish the thought!
Channon
... The only substitute for good manners is *faster* reflexes!
--- MachoEcho 0.5ņ
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Msg : 138 of 185
From : Channon Lang 1:130/809 .åō 18 .íâ 96 01:43
To : Jon Helis
Subj : The Guide and it's Incarnations...
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: GE 1.11+
From a dark bottomless pit,Jon Helis screamed up to Channon Lang about B5 --
Coincidence?..
CL> Did you ever see the TV shows of "Hitchhiker's Guide"? What a
CL> classic!
CL> Channon
JH> I've seen it several times, and you're right, it is a classic.
JH> Have you ever heard the radio version of it? That's a real
JH> classic too!
YES!!! A friend of mine has it on CD. He bought it while he was in GB.
All we did for days was giggle and snicker. I just love Deep Thought.
And the Guide itself has some goodies too.
Channon
... My other shield has a target painted on it. Don't use it much.
--- MachoEcho 0.5ņ
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Msg : 139 of 185
From : Channon Lang 1:130/809 .åō 18 .íâ 96 02:28
To : Tony Trujillo
Subj : Re: Tom Holt & PTerry
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: GE 1.11+
From a dark bottomless pit,Tony Trujillo screamed up to Myra I Fox about Tom
Holt & PTerry..
MI> I am reading "Who's Afraid of Beowulf?" now. I couldn't
MI> find it in the ubs and I have it on loan from a friend.
TT> I wish I could find my copy. It's around here somewhere but
TT> I can't seem to locate it.
Now that was one book I really enjoyed....If I remember correctly, I did
alot of giggling...
Channon
