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Msg : 1 of 384
From : Dana Zendell 1:120/102 .óá 20 .àé 95 11:35
To : All
Subj : Help on X-Files Finale
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 91-0071
Hi everyone,
I missed the final episode of the X-Files as well as the highlights
which aired right before the show. Would anybody be willing to send me
a copy of those 2 hours of X-Files? I would really appreciate it.
From what I have heard, it sounded like it was very good finale. And if
needed I could send a videotape to copy it on.
Dana
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Msg : 2 of 384
From : Gary Warren 1:382/92 .îí 22 .àé 95 09:16
To : All
Subj : CREATION REVIEW 1995 (part 2)
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: IMAIL-386 1.60+ PK32
CREATION REVIEW 1995: THE TROUBLE WITH R'NOLD!
By GARY L. WARREN (aka "glw")
(continued from last message)
After we were firmly, but not happily, seated, we suffered
through the introductory music video (isn't ANYBODY who is vaguely
familiar with classical music, late 1970's rock or WAYNE'S WORLD
besides me tired of hearing Queen's version of "Bohemian Rhapsody" for
the 97th time?). Then we concentrated a bit more on Arnold's
humourlessly spoken (to everyone but himself) news of past and
forthcoming episodes of DEEP SPACE NINE and VOYAGER, as well as
last November's release of the movie GENERATIONS. Among the tidbits
were:
[:::red flags waving!:::POSSIBLE SPOILER ALERT!:::ANYBODY READING PAST
THIS POINT **ISN'T** BEING FORCED TO DO SO AT GUNPOINT!:::waving green
flag!:::]
° Even though Paramount filmed 22 episodes of VOYAGER,
its first season will only include the first 16, with the remaining ones
probably added to next season's slate.
° Since Colm Meany (Miles O'Brien on DS9) has a contract
allowing him to include his outside movie roles with his regular DS9
appearances, his stay on that series is assured for several years.
° The subplot of Quark's nephew Nog's application to
Starfleet will surface again in the DS9 episode "Facets."
° DS9's Benjamin Sisco (Avery Brooks) will be promoted to
captain at the end of this season.
° Paramount has not been giving the Creation company nor
local television stations very many VOYAGER clips. Arnold didn't
elaborate on why this was so.
° Even though Robert McNeil's Tom Paris on VOYAGER and his
earlier TNG Nick Lacarno from "The First Duty" have identical semi-bad guy
character backgrounds, the Lacarno character was rewritten into Paris in
order for Paramount to avoid paying the scripter(s) of "The First Duty"
residuals for each VOYAGER episode involving Lacarno. (And we thought
Paramount dishonestly credited or underpaid its TREK franchise
scriptwriters--AHEM!!)
° Although GENERATIONS is next to last place's STAR TREK V:
THE FINAL FRONTIER in total profits, it is the MOST successful of the TREK
movies in overseas tickets. Arnold also said (surprisingly, perhaps
disputingly) that the debut film STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE ranks
first in TOTAL sales.
° To avoid an R-rating for STAR TREK VI:
THE UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY, the Klingon blood bubbles were Pepto
Bismol-coloured. "Purple blood," commented Arnold, "is considered
less violent than RED blood!"
After a few more music and promotional videos (including an X-FILES
promo which consisted of only clips from a Fox TV news program and one of
the Sci-Fi Network's SCI-FI BUZZ episodes), a trivia contest
and a merchandise auction, special guest Shatner took the podium to a
rousing applause. As usual, Shatner didn't sign autographs, and most
of his agenda consisted of a question-and-answer session. Although we
heard most of his spiel last year, there were a few new items:
° Despite Paramount's monetary concerns, it always builds a
new Enterprise bridge for each movie.
° The horseback-riding scene with Patrick Stewart in
GENERATIONS took two days to shoot, where it was up to Shatner to teach
Stewart how to ride AND to wear panty-hose *inside* his pants.
° His new STAR TREK novel, ASHES OF EDEN, is part of a planned
trilogy. He also added that VOYAGER and DS9 producer Rick Berman may
consider his screenplay for ASHES as part of another TREK film,
which would inevitably result in Captain James T. Kirk's "resurrection"
for at least this supposed movie. However, Shatner admitted Berman
has been quoted as saying the next TREK project would be strictly a TNG one.
° While USA Network has canceled TEKWAR, a Canadian network
is considering producing more episodes. Also, a line of TEKWAR CD-ROM
products would be released soon, presumably from a special effects
company Shatner bought.
° Shatner said he believes VOYAGER is "more in line" with the
exploratory premise of the Original Series than DS9, even though he
admitted seeing only "Caretaker," VOYAGER's two-hour debut.
° Among his most degrading entertainment assignments, Shatner
listed his role in the 1970's KINGDOM OF THE SPIDERS and his late
1960's rendition of "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds." He explained, however,
that the original cut included his reading from "Man from La Mancha"
intercut with his "interpretation" of the Beatles hit in order to provide
a sort of literary contrast of the times. The purpose of the release
containing only "Lucy" was "to DEGRADE me!" Shatner exclaimed.
° Shatner included "The City on the Edge of Forever" (which
he labeled "The City on the Edge of the River") and "The Trouble with Tribbles"
("the one with the little tribbles in it") with his favorite Original
Series episodes. He also mused that the show's finale "Turnabout Intruder"
("where a woman entered MY body!") was one of his most unforgettable TOS shows.
Since we had our fill of Shatner and parking and seating hassles,
Teri and I didn't bother to stay for the rescheduled blooper reel.
If I was teaching at Teri's school where she works, I'd stamp a fat D-plus
(D+) for the convention's grade, with the only saving graces being the
informational bits and Shatner's appearance. If I were to repeat my
oath from last year not to attend another Creation convention, I'd gladly
do so with crossed fingers. But I'd ALSO add the caveat that Creation needs
to come up with another convention site with better parking and audience
seating AND a convention host with a tumbleweed's inkling about
handicapped accessibility issues.
-- glw --
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Copyrighted (c) Gary L. Warren, POBox 529, Johnson City, Texas 78636,
(210) 868-4310. This review may be uploaded to any electronic
computer bulletin board service (bbs) or any relevant computer network
forum or echo as long as full credit is given to
Ye Olde Critic.
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Msg : 3 of 384
From : Michael Nellis 1:240/99.58 .îí 22 .àé 95 11:21
To : Michael Tauson
Subj : spitting
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
--> Note:
Moved (from: WRITING) by Shalanna Collins using timEd.
Hi, Michael.
MN> As a prisoner, Tasha was basically a slave and subjected to
MN> rape by the Romulan who kept her.
MT> Sounds like an alternate universe situation since that
MT> didn't happen in any episodes series that I remember prior
MT> to her demise.
Correct. It came about when the Enterprise -D stopped to examine this
temporal anamoly. Surprise, surprise, out popped the Enterprise -C.
That one had been on its way to respond to a distress call from the
Khitomer outpost, then under surprise attack by Romulans. The problem
arose from the 1701-C no longer being in its properly appointed time.
The Klingon/Federation treaty then being effect, the Enterprise was
expected to respond to the distress signals and attempt to assist the
Khitomer outpost. However, due to its sudden preciptation into the
future, it never arrived at the outpost. This resulted in the Klingons
declaring the treaty as breached and declaring war on the Federation.
At the point where the 1701-D meets the 1701-C, the Federation is six
months away from losing the war.
Now, the only way Picard finds out that there has been a revision in the
time line, is because Guinan is sensitive that sort of thing. In the
opening header, she is in Ten Forward when the temporal revision takes
place, and the Enterprise goes from being on exploration cruise, to
being on a war footing with a crew of about three thousand, most of them
being heavily armed marines. She looks around herself at all these
jarheads and wonders what the Hell is going on.
Because of the revision, certain events in the history of the 1701-D did
not take place, of course. For instance, the Federation never found
Data, Worf was never picked up from the ruins of the outpost to go to
StarFleet Academy, and there was no ship's counselor.
You probably remember that Yar was killed while going to Troi's rescue.
Since in this time line, there was no Troi on board, that episode never
happened.
It was a brilliant piece of paying attention to temporal manipulation.
At any rate, Yar finds out from Guinan, who never knew Tasha Yar, that
she was supposed to have died in a seperate time line. Yar just
happened to have fallen for the first officer of the 1701-C, and she
figured, since she was dead anyway, why not go back with the 1701-C as
their tactical officer. Since she had all this invaluable experience in
the Klingon/Federation war, she figured she could make a significant
difference in how the 1701-C handled itself at the Khitomer outpost,
so that, if destroyed, the Klingons would report favourably on the
honour with which the ship died. Then the war would never take place
and everything would be as it should.
That did happen. What nobody found out until later, was that some of
the crew was not killed in the battle, but taken prisoner, including
Tasha, of course.
What happens afterward can be left as the subject for some other
rambling post.
MT> ===__-*- The No-Win Trek Tagline *--+/__ *--+/__ *--=/__
Kobayashi Maru, this is the USS Secondprize! Drop your shields and
surrender.
Michael
... Whichoneisthespacebar?
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Msg : 4 of 384
From : Donald Jaramillo 1:203/1701 .îí 22 .àé 95 18:04
To : Chris Baugh
Subj : Vr.5
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Knowing the world was about to end, Donald Jaramillo and Chris Baugh
wasted their last moments talking about Vr.5...
CB> I saw the season finale, and I did like the idea that the VR
CB> equipment (including gloves and goggles) has been as dramatically
CB> miniaturized since 1978 as the rest of computer technology, but I
CB> don't recall any mention of making a connection to a remote
CB> mainframe. I took the mention of a retina scan as referring to a
CB> small camera which provided an image of the eyeball to a security
CB> program running on Samantha's notebook computer, for the three
CB> computers to be linked together.
Like I said, I may have missed it. I could have sworn that I heard
Samantha say something about Sydney not actually being able to achieve
VR.5 unil her father had reactivated 'the system.'
I'll have to catch it on the rerun.
I, too, enjoyed the advance. If they had been able to achieve VR.5 or
VR.5 back in 1978, they must have made some advances. :-)
CB> DJ> Interesting cliffhanger, though...wheels within wheels...
CB> You bet!
CB> It's seemed to me that there could easily be a tie-in between VR.5
CB> and X-Files: maybe the twins were part of the genetically engineered
CB> telepathy experiments, and the VR technology was derived from UFO
CB> equipment - with VR.11 consisting of a direct telepathic link with
CB> the mothership! :-)
I was thinking something like that when the mystery first began
unfolding. Looks like it's all for naught. According to the article
I read, VR.5 and Sliders have been canceled. :-(
Internet address: djaramil@ls1.leg.ca.gov
... "We are Dreamers, Shapers, Singers, amd Makers." --Elric the Technomage
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Msg : 5 of 384
From : Mark Jones 1:105/302.47 .îí 22 .àé 95 18:44
To : Steven Skaggs
Subj : Star Wars
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (18 May 95) Steven Skaggs wrote to Jack Butler...
SS> Well, I think he's had a basic idea for the rest of the movies
SS> since he wrote the originals. He has stated several times over
SS> the past few years that Episode I will be out sometime before the
SS> end of the 20th century. Why would he lie about it?
There are several possibilities:
...because he's out of ideas. He has no clue what to do next, and
is "vamping" desperately, hoping to come up with something. (People
have been hearing this "any day now" stuff for nearly twenty years.
It would be embarrassing to admit that the well is dry.)
...because he doesn't *want* to do it, but can't find a way to
gracefully back out of it. (People have been hearing this "any day
now" stuff for nearly twenty years. It would be embarrassing to admit
that he just doesn't want to do it.)
...because keeping the hope alive helps fan the flames, selling
videos, toys, games and whatnot to all the fans who continue to slaver
for more; i.e., pure cynical profiteering.
I don't claim that any of these is accurate--only that they *could*
be. There are plenty of reasons not to make a new trilogy, possibly
more reasons than there are to do it.
Consider:
Lucas has got to have more money than he can every spend; Star Wars
was HUGE. Not to mention a few little projects like Indiana Jones
that didn't do badly either. He simply isn't *hungry*.
Also, everyone will be expecting the new trilogy to be at least as
big as the original films. That's a huge cross to bear. If it
doesn't turn into a gold mine, he'll be seen to have failed (Hollywood
has a very short memory).
If it isn't as mind-blowingly novel as the first film was (and I
don't think it *can* be), again he'll be seen as having failed.
So...he has a lot to lose (losing money and getting panned hurts
even if you can live on the profits from the earlier films for the
rest of your life) if it doesn't all go perfectly. And it almost
certainly won't go perfectly.
... I just want to be left alone. Is that so wrooooong?
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Msg : 6 of 384
From : FRANK SWARBRICK 1:104/825 .îí 22 .àé 95 20:57
To : SKIP SHAYOTOVICH
Subj : UPCOMING BABYLON FIVE EPI
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On 05-18-95 17:21 Skip Shayotovich, the little pine weasel, said:
SS> = A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, Mark said: =
MH> 5/08/95 216 Knives [Larry DiTillio]
MH> 5/15/95 217 The Shadow of Z'ha'dum [JMS]
SS> Ah... did anyone else get these two episodes reversed? This past
SS> weeks episode for me out here in Northern California was KNIVES, and
SS> the week before that was THE SHADOW OF Z'HA'DUM.
Mark's list is a bit old. "Knives" was filmed first but aired second.
It was done this way everywhere. Dunno why...
Frank
... "How may I be honest with you today?" --Tuvok
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Msg : 7 of 384
From : Pamela Crossett 1:325/118 .òp 23 .àé 95 04:40
To : Demian Katz
Subj : Re: Earth 2/So Long
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
I just saw the episode "all about eve" - do you know if that was the final
episode?
It sure raised a lot of questions, and boy will I be annoyed to have to make
them up for myself.
Also, was Riley played by a different actor in this episode than in the past
ones?
Why did Devon not get an implant? And how does she know she didn't. Has she been
holding out on us?
Tell me you thoughts (and any answers you may have).
Pam
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Msg : 8 of 384
From : Tony Trujillo 1:280/9 .òp 23 .àé 95 09:07
To : Kay Shapero
Subj : Re: SLIDERS SEASON FINALE
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: GE 1.11+
KS> Hanged if I know (be it noted that that particular rumor seems to be
KS> chronic among tv shows everytime it looks like there might be a cast
KS> shakeup). Or care frankly - the character I least wish to see vanish
KS> from the lineup is the Professor. I happen to like John Rhys-Davies.
I thought the end of that episode was written the wrong way
round. I thought they should have shot Wade instead of
Quinn...on the basis that I felt they could probably lose
her without upsetting the cast balance too much. The only two
characters I think should remain the same should be Quinn
and Arturo.
BTW: They need to ditch the dog ASAP!
... There is intelligent life on Earth, but we are just visiting.
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Msg : 9 of 384
From : Brion Lienhart 1:213/700.2 .òp 23 .àé 95 13:36
To : Jack Butler
Subj : CGI
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On Sat May 20, Jack Butler said to Shawn Mcgrath:
SM> No, there were _never_ any people in raptor suits. No raptor suits
SM> were ever made. There were various raptor "parts" used, like the feet
SM> for the counter- top closeup, and the head that breathed on the
SM> window, but there were no godzilla-style raptor suits. People can't
SM> move that way.
-JB> The closest they came to "raptor-suits" was "raptor-gloves", used
-JB>for the "foreleg talons only" scenes.
Well, then I guess _The Making of Jurassic Park_ is just chock-full-o-lies then,
because there are lots of pictures and drawings of almost full body suits, legs
only rigs, head & body puppets, and all kinds of non-cgi things. Almost none of
the raptor scenes were done in CGI.
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Msg : 10 of 384
From : Jan Rooth 1:135/23 .òp 23 .àé 95 16:00
To : Gary Warren
Subj : Re: SLIDERS season final
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-=> Quoting Gary Warren to All <=-
GW> In spite of the simplistic storylines and the program's
GW> basic hokiness, I stuck with the Fox network's science fiction series
GW> SLIDERS because the show's parallel earth premise showed promise.
Actually, I think the basic hokiness, along with the little jokes,
are the show's most charming traits. Parallel earths, as a premise,
is a pretty old, overused idea.
[...] (critical review of season conclusion skipped)
GW> episode would be a sure winner. MY grade for this ep would be a
GW> D-minus, with a C-minus for the overall season.
I'll give both a B-minus. But I think you're expecting more from
this show than I am. To me, it's just a bit of mindless fun. Look
too close, and a lot of flaws rear their ugly heads.
Jan
... Ivanova will personally rip your lungs out.
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Msg : 11 of 384
From : Mark Jones 1:105/302.47 .òp 23 .àé 95 18:24
To : Kay Shapero
Subj : SLIDERS SEASON FINALE
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (22 May 95) Kay Shapero wrote to Tony Limbert...
KS> Hanged if I know (be it noted that that particular rumor seems to
KS> be chronic among tv shows everytime it looks like there might be
KS> a cast shakeup). Or care frankly - the character I least wish to
KS> see vanish from the lineup is the Professor. I happen to like
KS> John Rhys-Davies.
Ditto--if Rhys-Davies takes a powder, I'll be mighty disappointed.
I also have nothing against Quinn. And I like Wade.
It's *Rembrandt* I can't stand. When the Lottery Police were driving
him off to a long and painful death, I was *cheering* them on. (And
while I've come to like the actor playing the part, I don't think I'll
ever like the character.)
... Assassinate IRA KGB cryptographers stealing Zimmerman's cocaine!
--- PPoint 1.78
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Msg : 12 of 384
From : Joel Jessup 1:2613/105 .òp 23 .àé 95 20:55
To : Arsenal
Subj : SeaQuest DSV 5/21/95
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
A> Lucus,Darwin is What his name(blank) are on a raft
Dagwood's the name
A> I heard from the ups that some of the crew won't be returning.
A> heard that Bridger is being reasigned and only
A> returning once in a while..
A> anyone heard any thing to the truth?
I haven't heard, but will post if I do...
--- Maximus 2.00
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Msg : 13 of 384
From : Starwolf 1:163/214 .òp 23 .àé 95 22:07
To : Jack Butler
Subj : Military values
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
JB> "Defend"? As in "they never attack"? Sure they don't.
And they don't do all that great a job of defending, either. In an early
episode of VOYAGER, one of her crew is kidnapped by the phage victims and has
one of his lungs removed forcibly against their will.
Capt. Janeway tells the miscreants that it was a naughty thing to do and that
they shouldn't do it again. With that stern punishment, Voyager heads out. A
couple of episodes later, the phage people are back and they kidnap ANOTHER
member of the crew and perform MORE medical interventions against the subject's
wishes. What happens? The subject is rescued by a transporter party and then
Voyager departs again, this time without so much as a stern warning.
If I were the crew of that ship, I'd worry about how little the captain was
willing to do in terms of letting potential enemies know they'd better keep
their mitts off. I'd have thought a fractional megatonner or a couple of
well-placed torps would have got the point across a whole lot better than
Janeway's obviously ineffectual strategy.
--- Maximus 2.01wb
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Msg : 14 of 384
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .pä 24 .àé 95 02:40
To : Chris Carter
Subj : Centauri Tech
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Quoth Chris Carter, "Nevermore".
CC> As best I can tell, the only real advantages the Centauri have over
CC> EarthForce is a reactionless maneuvering system, (seen on their
CC> fighters) and the possibility of possession of artificial gravity
CC> (JMS hasn't come clean on this point). Neither one of these things
CC> are of particular significance.
I dunno. You can do quite a bit with artificial gravity... and
reactionless motivation can be used for quite a bit more than just spaceship
thrusters...
CC> Kinda makes one wonder how the Agamemnon would fare against a
CC> Centauri cruiser...
I think the Agamemmnon would tear a large hole in a Centauri thruster.
Just a personal feeling, myself.
Jack Butler
... "If you'll believe in me, I'll believe in you" -- Pearled Unicorn
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Msg : 15 of 384
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .pä 24 .àé 95 04:02
To : Myranya Werlemann
Subj : Directorial Trademarks
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Quoth Myranya Werlemann, "Nevermore".
MW> That's really interesting. Do you know _why_ it's 1138?
The first movie George Lucas ever directed was THX 1138. Since then
all of his movies have that number somewhere in it.
MW> I can see how you can include 'See you next Wednesday' in a movie,
MW> but "Klaatu Beratis Nikto"??? What movie(s) is that from???
MW> I'm not that good when it comes to who directs what...
Its originally a line from "The Day The Earth Stood Still". (It's the
command given to Gort the robot.)
Jack Butler
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Msg : 16 of 384
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .pä 24 .àé 95 04:41
To : Brian Henderson
Subj : B5 Ripoff: Ds9
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Quoth Brian Henderson, "Nevermore".
BH> No kidding. I didn't say otherwise. I did say, however, that B5 has
BH> a higher purpose than *JUST* making a quick buck.
Its a secondary purpose, but not necessarily higher.
BH> For Warner, it quite possibly might be. For Babylonian Productions,
BH> however, it certainly is not. If it were, JMS wouldn't be funneling
BH> any production underruns back into the series, would he?
Actually, he would. Why, you ask? Simple: there is a concept out
there called "embezzelment". If he were to do anything else with the money,
he'd go to jail for a long time.
Jack Butler
... "You are fine now. You may leave." -- Doc Zimmerman
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Msg : 17 of 384
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .pä 24 .àé 95 04:43
To : Barry Blaes
Subj : SLIDERS SEASON FINALE
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Quoth Barry Blaes, "Nevermore".
SW> him back but the 2 new Sliders look like replacements
BB> Ok... I give up... Who is the dog gonna replace...? ;>
Arturo, obviously.
Jack Butler
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Msg : 18 of 384
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .pä 24 .àé 95 04:59
To : All
Subj : Highlander Episodes
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Episode Production Air Date
No. No. Title (On Week of)
----------------------------------------------------------------
First Season
------------
1 92102-1 "The Gathering" 10/01/92
2 92103-4 "Innocent Man" 10/08/92
3 92108-3 "Road Not Taken" 10/15/92
4 92107-6 "Bad Day in Building A" 10/22/92
5 92101-5 "Free Fall" 10/29/92
6 92111-8 "Deadly Medicine" 11/06/92
7 92110-7 "Mountain Men" 11/13/92
8 92109-10 "Revenge is Sweet" 11/19/92
9 92112-9 "The Sea Witch" 12/03/92
10 92115-12 "Eyewitness" 12/10/92
11 92106-2 "Family Tree" 12/17/92
12 92114-11 "See No Evil" 02/04/93
13 92118-13 "Band of Brothers" 02/11/93
14 92117-14 "For Evil's Sake"* 02/18/93
15 92116-15 "For Tomorrow We Die" 02/25/93
16 92123-16 "The Beast Below" 03/07/93
17 92120-17 "Saving Grace" 03/14/93
18 92121-18 "The Lady and the Tiger" 04/22/93
19 92122-20 "Avenging Angel" 04/29/93
20 92124-19 "Eye of the Beholder" 05/06/93
21 92125-21 "Nowhere to Run" 05/13/93
22 92126-22 "The Hunters" 05/20/93
Second Season
-------------
23 93201-23 "The Watchers" 09/30/93
24 93202-24 "Studies in Light" 10/07/93
25 93203-25 "Turnabout" 10/14/93
26 93204-26 "The Darkness" 10/21/93
27 93205-27 "Eye for an Eye" 10/28/93
28 93206-28 "The Zone" 11/04/93
29 93207-29 "The Return of Amanda" 11/11/93
30 93208-30 "Revenge of the Sword" 11/18/93
31 93209-31 "Run for Your Life" 11/25/93
32 93210-32 "Epitaph for Tommy" 12/02/93
33 93213-35 "Bless the Child" 01/27/94
34 93211-33 "The Fighter" 02/03/94
35 93212-34 "Under Color of Authority" 02/10/94
36 93214-36 "Unholy Alliance, Part 1" 02/17/94
37 93215-37 "Unholy Alliance, Part 2"* 02/24/94
38 93216-38 "The Vampire" 03/03/94
39 93217-39 "Warmonger" 03/17/94
40 93218-40 "Pharaoh's Daughter" 05/05/94
41 93219-41 "Legacy" 05/12/94
42 93220-42 "Prodigal Son" 05/19/94
43 93221-43 "Counterfeit, Part 1" 05/26/94
44 93222-44 "Counterfeit, Part 2" 06/02/94
Third Season
------------
45 94301-45 "The Samurai" 10/09/94
46 94302-46 "Line of Fire" 10/16/94
47 94303-47 "The Revolutionary" 10/23/94
48 94304-48 "The Cross of St. Antoine" 10/30/94
49 94305-49 "Rite of Passage" 11/06/94
50 94306-50 "Courage" 11/13/94
51 94307-51 "The Lamb" 11/20/94
52 94308-52 "Obsession" 11/27/94
53 94309-53 "Shadows" 12/04/94
54 94310-54 "Blackmail" 12/11/94
55 94311-55 "Vendetta" 02/05/95
56 94312-56 "They Also Serve" 02/12/95
57 94313-57 "Blind Faith" 02/19/95
58 94314-58 "Song of the Executioner" 02/26/95
59 94315-59 "Star-Crossed" * 03/05/95
60 94316-60 "Methos" 03/12/95
61 94317-61 "Take Back the Night" 04/30/95
62 94318-62 "Testimony" 05/07/95
63 94319-63 "Mortal Sins" 05/14/95
64 94320-64 "Reasonable Doubts" 05/21/95
65 94321-65 "Finale, Part 1" 05/28/95
66 94322-66 "Finale, Part 2" 06/04/95
* Indicates the first of the "Paris Episodes" per season.
Jack Butler
Highlander Guru
... "You don't change when you're Immortal; you just live longer."
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Msg : 19 of 384
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .pä 24 .àé 95 05:10
To : Todd Sullivan
Subj : Stuff of TP, etc
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Quoth Todd Sullivan, "Nevermore".
TS> As long as we're discussing SF in various shows, what say you about
TS> "MacGyver in the Old West" AKA "Legend". Never watched it, but I
TS> thought John DeLancie saying "Engage!" in one of the promos was a
TS> hoot, along with the various "anachronisms" that made their
TS> appearances, ie. that hang glider.
Haven't actually seen it yet, though I have been planning to.
Jack Butler
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Msg : 20 of 384
From : Patrick Long 1:271/380 .pä 24 .àé 95 08:02
To : Dave Whittier
Subj : COMPUTER LOTTERY SCAM...
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 94-0096
DW-=>PL> Hello, my name is Dave Rhodes. Two years ago I was broke, my car wa
-=>PL>repossessed, you've heard my story hundreds of times....
DW-=>Well done, Patrick! Hope people get the hint...
Wish I could take credit for writing it, but it's someone else's work.
I just like tossing it out as a response to those types of schemes. 8)
... Next to the originator of a good sentence is the first quoter of it.
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Msg : 21 of 384
From : Kay Shapero 1:102/524 .pä 24 .àé 95 08:02
To : Scott Gates
Subj : B5 CATCH-UP
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On , Scott Gates (1:2602/320) wrote to Kay Shapero:
KS=>ascii text (archived by ARJ) for file request or download. The
KS=>system is Brian & Wendy's BBS (1:163/598). I've got a current
KS=>list around here that posted recently if you want a copy.
SG>Do you know how I could get these from internet ftp?
FTP doesn't do f'req; but I believe there's someone on the internet picking
these things up for ftp. Ask John Kahane at Brian & Wendy's - he ought to know.
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Msg : 22 of 384
From : Phill Ash 1:275/160 .pä 24 .àé 95 08:05
To : Mark Jones
Subj : Vorlon Immortality
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: GE 1.11+
>MY theory is that lurking inside that encounter suit is none other
>than JAMES T. KIRK.
>My reasoning:
>1. EVERYONE knows who James T. Kirk is. And Delenn said that
> *everyone* would recognize Kosh without his encounter suit.
>2. Kosh is one of the last remaining "Old Ones". Sounds like the
> ST:TOS cast/crew to me....
>3. Kosh has battled universe-threatening Evil (tm) before, and lived
> to fight them again. James T. Kirk made a *career* out of stopping
> the unstoppable foe, saving the universe and generally being A Hero
>Who else *could* it be?
Artoo Deetoo
Proof?
1. Obi-wan told Yoda that there was "another". He wasn't referring
Leia, as she'd received no training. Besides, you don't think
that it was actually *Yoda* hwo lifted the X-Wing out of the
swamp, do you?
2. Listen to Kosh's speech. Clearly some form of translation
device (probably salvaged from C3PO's carcass) has been
installed in the encounter suit.
3. With a suitable power-supply and enough spare-parts, Kosh/R2
would understand the concept of immortality.
I rest my case.
Your pal: PhlAsh
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Msg : 23 of 384
From : Patrick Long 1:271/380 .pä 24 .àé 95 08:08
To : Steven Wesen
Subj : Re: Computer Lottery scam
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 94-0096
SW-=>I read your post but I wanted to make my position clear on any of
-=>these type of scams because this post is for Science Fiction and
Science fiction and fantasy as well - and I think those that believe
those scams will work are living in a fantasy world. 8)
-=>I did not mean to come in with a flamethrower but I have seen to
-=>many of those scams to not remain silent.
Funny, but I don't seem recall seeing you blaze way at person who
posted the scam itself, just at the parody I posted. You've made an
excellent impression.
Anyway, consider the thread dropped.
... Steven's playing his oboe with just one reed.
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Msg : 24 of 384
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .pä 24 .àé 95 08:12
To : Rumble
Subj : Earth 2/So Long
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.42.b9 8060
R "Spielberg used to own Earth 2 but when he saw the ratings for it he
R "just smiled and slowly walked away.
Earth 2 is still produced by Amblin Entertainment, though, so he didn't
walk very far! :-)
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Msg : 25 of 384
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .pä 24 .àé 95 08:12
To : Tom Huber
Subj : ST: The Original Series
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.42.b9 8060
TH "sharing the wealth of the acting opportunities. Of course, Nichelle
TH "Nichols got basically shafted in the movies as far as roles were
TH "concerned. At least during the series (including the animated
TH "series), she had more opportunities.
And yet at one time, she felt she was being shafted in ST:TOS, too! In
fact, she said in William Shatner's Star Trek Memories, that she was
ready to quit the series and that it was only because of something
Martin Luther King told her that made her stick it out...
TH "There was a least one episode
TH "in the animated series where she led a team to rescue Kirk and
TH "company.
I'll bet that made Ms. Nichols feel real good! :-)
TH "by the transporter into two distinct personalities.
TH "FE>What did you think when the writers of Voyager basically
TH "did the same thing with Lt. Torres?
TH "Hm. I missed that one. I'll have to watch for it during the summer
TH "reruns.
The episode is called "Faces", but it could just as easily have been
called "feces", because it was such a blatant re-use of previous
material...
TH "Speaking of reruns, I find that I actually enjoy rewatching old
TH "Voyager episodes... Now that says something. I found watching an old
TH "NG episode (that I'd seen before) to be boring and lifeless...
I expect my 10 tapes of ST:TNG to get lots of use during the dreary TV
days of summer. I actually watched ST:V's "Cathexis" again last night
(to make sure I wanted to keep a copy) and really enjoyed it. Since
then, however, the episodes weren't worth watching the first time, had
there been anything better to watch during UPN's time slot for ST:V...
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Msg : 26 of 384
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .pä 24 .àé 95 08:12
To : Michelle Willey
Subj : VOYAGER NOSE DIVING?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.42.b9 8060
MW "I got to admit it doesn't bother me much if I miss an episode.
MW "However, I like the character of Neelix. He injects a bit of humor
MW "and common sense into an otherwise unexceptional show. Likewise the
MW "doctor. The stories themselves do seem to be same ole, same ole.
I wouldn't complain about Neelix if he didn't seem to always be employed
as Barclay was in TNG. Of all the characters, I find the holo-doc the
most interesting. Perhaps it's because he seems to be more of an "adult"
(even though he's probably quite childlike when it comes to
understanding the human condition) than the rest of the crew who seem to
be fresh out of the academy and just barely beyond puberty. I really
dislike how demographics is having such a profound effect on TV...
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Msg : 27 of 384
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .pä 24 .àé 95 08:12
To : All
Subj : Tekwar Cancelled!
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.42.b9 8060
GW "CREATION REVIEW 1995: THE TROUBLE WITH R'NOLD!
GW "By GARY L. WARREN
GW "While USA Network has canceled TEKWAR, a Canadian network is
GW "considering producing more episodes.
Hmmm... I must be a prophet! :-) A couple weeks ago, after noticing we
were not getting any new episodes, I commented here that it was as if
USA had cancelled the series without telling anyone!
While the whole idea of Tekwar was a bit like reinventing police story,
the series was getting good toward the end. I especially liked the ep in
which Lt. Winger was in danger of not being allowed to recharge his
circuits (effectively killing him, if that term could ever apply to a
robot). I guess we should have known something was wrong when they wrote
Jake's partner out of the series and replaced him with an attractive
female...
I simply can not believe that Tekwar wasn't one of USA's bigger draws!
With all of their crummy B movies, can they actually be so picky? What's
more likely is that Tekwar just cost more than it was bringing in. This
does not bode well for original sci-fi on TV, if a cable company like
USA can't make money on it...
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Msg : 28 of 384
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .pä 24 .àé 95 08:12
To : Earl Green
Subj : SLIDERS SEASON FINALE
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.42.b9 8060
EG " the possibility of John Rhys-Davies departing. This show's in
EG " trouble.
I really am a prophet! :-) When Sliders first aired, I commented that
JRD was the most likely to move on, because of his distinguished movie
career. I just couldn't see him sticking around in a weekly TV show when
he could be doing stuff like Indiana Jones 4...
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Msg : 29 of 384
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .pä 24 .àé 95 08:12
To : Gary Warren
Subj : Sliders
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.42.b9 8060
GW " In spite of the simplistic storylines and the program's
GW "basic hokiness,
GW "lottery for terrible television programs, this episode would be a
GW "sure winner. MY grade for this ep would be a D-minus, with a
GW "C-minus for the overall season. And to think I dismissed
GW "Fox's VR5 for being TOO esoteric and hard to follow!
I personally think Sliders was a much better show than VR5, and would
have made a better lead-in for The X-Files. I hope it does survive, but
it probably won't be quite the same if Quinn dies...
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Msg : 30 of 384
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .pä 24 .àé 95 08:12
To : Mark Jones
Subj : Who is Kosh, really?
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.TID: FastEcho 1.42.b9 8060
MJ "3. Kosh has battled universe-threatening Evil (tm) before, and
MJ "lived to fight them again. James T. Kirk made a *career* out of
MJ "stopping the unstoppable foe, saving the universe and generally
MJ "being A Hero (tm).
MJ "Who else *could* it be?
Flash Gordon... :-)
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Msg : 31 of 384
From : Steven Wesen 1:271/236 .pä 24 .àé 95 09:52
To : Barry Blaes
Subj : Re: SLIDERS SEASON FINALE
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.TID: GE 1.11+
I feel that they might try to replace Quinn with 2 characters to help
split Quinn's personality .
Thedog is Quinn's loyalty and steafast friendship.
It is a Next Generation thing you wouldn't understand :)
Steve(Merlyn)
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Msg : 32 of 384
From : Karmin St.jean 1:321/309 .pä 24 .àé 95 10:40
To : Chris Baugh
Subj : Star Blazers
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
>JS> I believe the reference is to a holo-projection room on board
>JS> the Yamato (I think that's the ships's name) in the
>JS> Japanimation show "Starblazers." (Good series, IMO.)
>
> Gosh, that came on so many years ago I don't remember much about it
> - but I do remember that I enjoyed the characteries, stories and
> animation. Around the same time there was also an animated Flash
> Gordon series that I thought was really well done.
The original name of the series was Space Cruiser Yamato, but the ship was
renamed the Argo in Star Blazers. There were three series created, only two of
which "Quest for Iscandar" and "Battle Against the Comet Empire" were ever shown
on American TV. The third series, "The Bolar Wars" is available but was not
aired (at least not in wide syndication like the other two.)
Another series, often mistakenly called "G-Force" was known as "Battle of the
Planets" and was produced by Sandy Frank (that name we all keep seeing at the
beginning of all the REALLY bad movies on MST3K).
Tranzor Z is yet another anime serial that is not easy to find.
(note, many of these may get a second chance at life this fall when the SciFi
Channel introduces it's new Saturday Morning Anime lineup!)
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Msg : 33 of 384
From : Karmin St.jean 1:321/309 .pä 24 .àé 95 10:45
To : Dave Whittier
Subj : Lotterys in the mail
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Okay, so I spelled it wrong. But look at it this way. It's a lottery, just the
same as scratching one of those tickets you buy at the store, and when you don't
win on those you don't get all upset. So, if you play a lottery and don't win,
then if you've only paid a dollar or two dollar or five dollars tops, then shrug
and get on with it. If, however, you were dumb enough to pay $20.00 or paid
$20.00 in good faith, which if you're smart enough to read this post is more
likely, then find the jerk who conned you out of it and beat the living
daylights out of him, or give him the Vulcan Neck Pinch (THERE! I mentioned
Vulcans, so now the message is on topic, or at least was for that sentence.)...
And now ,....back to our topic!
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Msg : 34 of 384
From : Karmin St.jean 1:321/309 .pä 24 .àé 95 10:51
To : Denis Lamy
Subj : Q and DS9
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
DS9 couldn't even get Q right! On TNG at least Q took them places, DID things
with them. Acted like Q. On DS9 Q just sat around moping and all just because
Vash wouldn't go back to him. And He already had Amanda, so it's not like he
NEEDED the whiny little toad anyhow.
I always thought it would have been great if they'd returned five months later
instead of two years later and Vash was pregnant but no one knew if it was
Picard's or Q's. Maybe she was. It's possible that Vash was carrying Q's child
but that Bashir didn't tell her because she was advanced enough that he assumed
she already knew. Wouldn't that be a surprise for ol' Q!
Let's see.. ways we can spice up DS9 a bit...
A second version of Q (still human from the time he was being punished) created
in a similar transporter accident to the one that created the second Riker,
joins the Maquis to help out Thomas Riker (and he and T.R. become close
friends.)
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Msg : 35 of 384
From : Tony Trujillo 1:280/9 .pä 24 .àé 95 11:08
To : Jack Butler
Subj : Re: Sliders Continuity
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: GE 1.11+
TT>> Not always...some shows just disappear off the face of the
TT>> earth without the benefit of a "goodbye" show.
JB> Heard the word through Entertainment Weekly's show. Sliders has
JB> been picked up for next season, and Jerry O'Connell is *still*
JB> going to be a regular.
Glad to see that they decided to give SLIDERS a chance as a
regular series on their line up. I haven't been too excited
by X-FILES since they decided to go for the "hack and slash"
audience.
JB> So yes, Quinn gets shot, but no, Quinn doesn't die.
I'd really like to see them do something interesting with
this plot line other than just having Quinn getting better
and sliding as if nothing had happened. If he was indeed
shot in the head I would think recuperation time would be
more than a few days.
... Don't crush that dwarf! Hand me the pliers!
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Msg : 36 of 384
From : Tony Trujillo 1:280/9 .pä 24 .àé 95 11:59
To : Frank Eva
Subj : Re: SeaQuest Survives
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: GE 1.11+
FE> I believe those characters who were deleted were all supposed to have
FE> moved on to other jobs... Stacy Haiduk (her character) took a job as oil
FE> freighter Captain, I seem to recall...
I remember there was some talk about it in one of the
episodes but at the time I think that's all it was.
FE> Yes, he's become just another Wesley Crusher, always saving the day...
I guess that's what the "kids" want...
... BIO-GENETIX ENGINEERING LABS: "Playing God so you don't have to."
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Msg : 37 of 384
From : John Kahane 1:163/198.5 .pä 24 .àé 95 12:34
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : Vorlon Immortality
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
In a message of , Jeff Hancock scribed:
SPOILER ALERT!!!
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/ / \ \
/ / \ \
\ \ / /
\ \ ____________________ / /
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\ \ / /
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JK> Of course, in the light of "In the Shadow of Z'ha'dum,"
JK> JH>> How did Kosh have video footage (or whatever) of the
JK> JH>> Icarus encounter to show Sheridan? Mental projection of
JK> JH>> what he "knew" would have occurred?
JK>> Nope. I think we now know what happened during the little
JK>> "encounter" that Kosh and Morden had way back in "Signs and
JK>> Portents," when Kosh's encounter suit was damaged.
JH> Believe it or not, I thought about that.... but why wouldn't
JH> Morden know too much about Kosh in return? Either seeing
JH> through the damaged encounter suit, feeling him in his mind,
JH> or just plain suspicion... if not Morden, then the Shadows
JH> who were with him. Unless they were born after the wars and
JH> the Shadows don't have any form of history, you'd think
JH> they'd figure it out... unless they really believe all the
JH> ancient ones left.
Well, as was established in "In the Shadow of Z'ha'dum", the Shadows are an
ancient race, and existed before some of the other Ancient Ones came into
existence (including the Vorlons), but I don't think your bit about history is
the right one. Kosh has obviously got some sort of protection, whether psionic
or something that the Ancient Ones have learned, about how to cloak themselves
from the Shadows knowing who they are, although "ItSoZ" also established that he
wears the encounter suit for the simple reason that it obscures him from sight.
While the Shadows are always with Morden, as Delenn pointed out, I think
that it's possible Kosh may have surprised Morden in their encounter in "Signs
and Portents" to such a degree that he was able to rip the knowledge (or plunder
it) from Morden's mind before he came under attack by the Shadows that are
always with Morden (this latter point being a fact that Joe has confirmed over
on CompuServe).
JK>> I think that Kosh took the memory of what happened when the
JK>> Icarus landed on Z'ha'dum from Morden's mind...among other
JK>> things. :)
JH> But not everything was from Morden's POV...
The vision of the events of the Icarus landing on Z'ha'dum were not all
from Morden's view, but it's also likely that a Shadow viewpoint was also part
of that - something perhaps that is part of Morden's mind now that he's a
servant. It's also possible that the Shadows and their agents are
telepathically linked (I refuse to accept a hive-mind assumption for this), and
that Kosh took from Morden's mind a perspective from another of the Icarus crew
who also sided with the Shadows.
JH> BTW, what do you think that was with Delenn saying she had
JH> known about it for the past THREE years? Perhaps they told
JH> her (or she read about) the Shadows upon her appointment to
JH> ambassador? Couldn't be the Grey Council, since that was
JH> long before.
Actually the time of Valen and the Grey Council is about 1,000 years ago,
which fits in with the business of the last time that the Shadows tried to rise,
and were put down again by an alliance that included the Vorlons and the
Minbari. As for Delenn's knowing about this for three years, well...there could
be all kinds of reasons for that. I like to think that it would be part of the
wisdom passed down to the Religious caste members who join the Council. This
would certainly explain Neroon's ignorance of something this basic, which you'd
think he'd comment on.
JK> JH>> And do you suppose the "conference" Talia referred to
JK> JH>> during her first scene was the event covered in the B5
JK> JH>> book _Voices_?
JK>> That seems to make as much sense as anything else. And it
JK>> would be a reasonable assumption to make, based on Talia's
JK>> comments about the "conference" mentioned in passing in the
JK>> episode.
JH> All she said about it was that "things were rather hectic".
JH> How many conferences have you been to that were hectic without
JH> what happened in _Voices_? ;)
Hey, I just said that it seemed reasonable to me. Besides, JMS said that
the books are canon and that they would be "incorporated" into the series
continuity. Without making fans who've not read the first book feel like they'd
missed something, the reference is one that those fans who've read the book can
nod and smile at, while the rest of the fans aren't all that worried about it.
Speaking of the books, John Vornholt posted a message noting that the next book
in the series, his _Blood Oath_ (dealing with the Narns) won't be out until late
in the year. :(
John
.....
A good bookshop is just a genteel Black Hole that knows how to read. (G!G!)
--- GoldED 2.41
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Msg : 38 of 384
From : John Kahane 1:163/198.5 .pä 24 .àé 95 12:47
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : Vorlon Immortality /2
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
In a message of , Jeff Hancock scribed:
SPOILER ALERT!!!
__________
/ _________ \
/ / \ \
------------------------------------------------
/ ______________________________________________ \
/ / \ \
/ / \ \
\ \ / /
\ \ ____________________ / /
\ \ l------------------- /
\ \ / /
/ \ / \
/ / \ \ ____________ / / \ \
/ / \ \ l----------- / \ \
/ / / \ / \ \ \
/ / / /\ \ / /\ \ \ \
\ \_____/ / \ \ / / \ \_____/ /
\________/ \ \________/ / \________/
\__________/
JK> JH>> And I'm still confused as how to anyone, especially
JK> JH>> people who would know nothing of the "first ones", would
JK> JH>> recognize Kosh as being one unless it was some universal
JK> JH>> interracial
JK>> There could be all sorts of things that could be asked here,
JK>> Jeff. :)
JH> Like?
Well, I can't think of anything right off the top, Jeff... But we don't
know all that much about some of the races, although there have been hints in
the medical episodes about physiologies and the like. "Confessions and
Lamentations" had one of these as well, in a very sad context. Brilliant story,
btw, and right up there with "Believers" as a Franklin episode.
JK>> I suspect that a lot of this has to do with Kosh's earlier
JK>> talk with Sheridan about teaching and preparing him "to fight
JK>> legends."
JH> Yes, but what legends exactly?
The legends are the Shadows, obviously. Since they are a race that was old
when the other Ancient races (such as the Vorlons) were young, it makes sense
they would be considered legends. (JMS has also said the race that Catherine
Sakai encountered at Sigma 957 is another of these races, too...)
JH> And how is it that every race (apparently) would have the
JH> same exact legends?
Not necessarily the same set of legends, Jeff. G'Kar's reference work from
G'Quan is a religious text, one that is obviously not given much accreditation
(as we've seen so far), although the Kha'Ri seems to have paid it more attention
of late. But stories are told late at night about all kinds of horrific things
in the past, and these are passed on as legends, myths, fables, that sort of
thing. "Confessions and Lamentations" has another good example of this, that
the Markab doctor tells Franklin. Watch for it, and I won't spoil your
enjoyment of that episode again.
JH> I don't recall any Earth legends involving giant spiders, for
JH> one... unless this is another LOTR jab.
While it's possible, and I suspect that Joe would disclaim it, I don't
think so. The Shadows that we saw in "ItSoZ" didn't appear to be spider-like to
me at all.
JK>> Given the origins of the Vorlons, the Shadows, and perhaps
JK>> the race whose ship Catherine Sakai encountered at Sigma 957
JK>> (as JMS has hinted at
JH> Ah yes, I don't think we ever finished that discussion. The
JH> Logbook writer seems to think that was the first appearance
JH> of the Shadows, but you say JMS disagrees?
Not disagrees, totally different. Joe says that the race that Catherine
encountered at Sigma 957 was another of the Ancient Ones, a race that is no
longer concerned with affairs of the little races from its time. He's also said
that some stuff will be clarified about this race...whatever that meant. :)
JK>> I wouldn't be surprised to find something totally predictable
JK>> underneath the Vorlon encounter suit.
JH> Like what, an angel? That's not universal even on Earth... I
JH> suspect everyone with any contact of civilization would
JH> recognize one, but that's still not "Every one". I suppose
JH> he'll look like the classic cliche of God?
Nope, not like God or an angel. That's been the consensus on some of the
B5 echoes and newsgroups, and to be honest with you, I don't think that JMS
would do something like that. I suppose it's possible, given the emphasis on
souls and stuff that we've seen in the series to this point...
JK>> Btw, have you seen "Knives" yet? Interesting episode,
JK>> and one
JH> Yep. Just once, though... haven't dubbed it, and missed the
JH> re-airing.
I'm not sure what you mean about the dubbing of the episode, but never
mind...
JH> BTW, I'm not sure B5 will really make it in syndication...
JH> something I keep meaning to bring up but never do is that
JH> stations have this nasty habit of cutting bits on reruns, and
JH> while it may not matter much for your average sitcom, just
JH> think how it would affect B5's story.
B5 is not the same kind of series as ST and the like, and therefore I think
the syndication of such a series would be more difficult. I like to think that
the popularity of the series, and an interest in seeing the entire run of the
series (depending on how long it stays on the air) re-air depends on other
factors. But let's face it...B5 has been on the air barely two years, and
that's not long enough to have the show start airing in syndie.
JH> Reason I mention this is that I did catch the station showing
JH> it here cutting a bit on the second showing from the original
JH> twice;
This is something that I've noticed on the local station here in Ottawa,
but it's not something that the FOX network has done at all. One of the reasons
why I watch the FOX episode and tape that one, rather than the local one. Even
with the horrible, midnight on Tuesday time slot. :(
John
.....
The significant owl hoots in the night. (G!G!)
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Msg : 39 of 384
From : Brion Lienhart 1:213/700.2 .pä 24 .àé 95 12:53
To : Todd Sullivan
Subj : Vorlon Immortality
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On Tue May 23, Todd Sullivan said to Chris Carter:
CC >A fellow on rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5 proposed that Kosh is
CC >actually a large sentient Big Mac.
-TS>AAARRRRRGH! "Run awaaaaayyy!" :)
It's ambassador McCheese. And the Vorlon Burgler.
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Msg : 40 of 384
From : John Kahane 1:163/198.5 .pä 24 .àé 95 13:02
To : Scott Gates
Subj : B5 Catch-Up
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On , Scott Gates wrote to Kay Shapero:
KS>> For those on the net, John Kahane has been doing detailed
KS>> synopses of each episode, posting them to the Babylon 5 echo
KS>> and also making them available ascii text (archived by ARJ)
KS>> for file request or download. The system is Brian & Wendy's
KS>> BBS (1:163/598). I've got a current list around here
KS>> that posted recently if you want a copy.
SG> Do you know how I could get these from internet ftp?
Unless someone's posted them up to the internet sites, as far as I'm aware
they're not available on the Internet side of things. I could be wrong, but it
would be nice if the creator of said files was made aware of these things. :)
John
.....
Moules (n.): A game of skill and dexterity, involving tortoises. (G!G!)
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Msg : 41 of 384
From : John Kahane 1:163/198.5 .pä 24 .àé 95 13:04
To : Scott Gates
Subj : SeaQuest
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On , Scott Gates wrote to John Kahane:
FE>> Same goes for the first season of SeaQuest.
JK>> Yep, same here. Pity what they did with the series in
JK>> the second seas *sigh* :(
SG> Yeah, with only a few exceptions, SeaQuest's second season
SG> Sucks. The babes ain't bad though.
Frankly, based on this post and a couple of others that I've seen from you,
you sound sexist when it comes to some of these sf series. If the "babes" are
why you and a lot of the audience are watching this stuff, it's no wonder why
there's such a turn-around on sf series on tv.
The *stories* in SEAQUEST's second season are what were pathetic, not the
characters. The characters, particularly the telepath/doctor and the Dagger,
could have been made very interesting, but as usual the series concentrated on
the wrong things. SEAQUEST lost its edge, its driving force, when the producer
decided to go with science fantasy as opposed to science fiction and an
ecological mind set. Stacy Haiduk's commander in the first season was a
terrific character, because she was a *strong* female role model and because she
had an interesting past. The character in the second season, such as Edward
Kerr's (can't remember his name), Henderson, Piccolo, and some of the others
were...boring and undeveloped. Personally, I don't understand *why* the series
was renewed for a third year...
John
.....
You had to hand it to the Patrician. If you didn't, he sent men to come and take
it away. (G!G!)
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Msg : 42 of 384
From : John Kahane 1:163/198.5 .pä 24 .àé 95 13:11
To : Barry Blaes
Subj : Not SLIDERS
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On , Barry Blaes wrote to Frank Swarbrick:
BB> If you or anyone else wishes to help keep the show on the
BB> air you can send via the Internet a mail message to
BB> "sliders@delphi.com".
BB> Tell them you like the show and want to see them renew the show.
Personally, I'm more concerned at this point with keeping BABYLON 5 on the
air. And getting to see the last four episodes of Season Two before October,
whereas the Europeans are going to be seeing them any time now.
John
.....
"If anyone ever sets fire to this city, it's going to be *me*." - Captain Vimes
(G!G!)
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Msg : 43 of 384
From : Holly Sullivan 1:363/110 .pä 24 .àé 95 14:27
To : Jeff Young
Subj : Re: Red Dwarf
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
In a message to All <05-20-95 13:42> Jeff Young wrote:
JY> The Red Dwarf International Echo is available to all who wish to
JY> recieve it.
JY> This echo is not on the Zone 1 backbone yet, but with your help it
JY> can be.
Wish it was backboned... (sigh)
JY> We even have our own resident Holly
JY> (well, not really but I thought it would add to the advert).
(EVIL GRIN) Be *very* careful what you ask for... you just might get it...
:)---Holly---<--<-@
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Msg : 44 of 384
From : Bruce Baugh 1:105/290.50 .pä 24 .àé 95 15:34
To : Chris Carter
Subj : Kosh's Karaoke machine
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (23 May 95) Chris Carter wrote to All...
CC> Before Garibaldi can answer Kosh says, "A moment of perfect
CC> beauty," and proceeds out of the ballpark. Garibaldi and
CC> Lennier follow silently, with cheesy grins on their faces.
CC> Sheridan, looking perplexed, asks the computer to initiate
CC> batting practice.
Attention, Citizen! Report to the nearest Food Reclamation Center
immediately!
... OPEN THE REST ROOM DOORS, HAL. HAL! Oh, never mind.....
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Msg : 45 of 384
From : Earl Green 1:3822/1 .pä 24 .àé 95 16:32
To : Frank Swarbrick
Subj : SLIDERS SEASON FINALE
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
FS>After only eight episodes two of the actors want to ditch the show
FS>already? Sheesh! So are you saying Quinn really is dead? I find that
FS>hard to believe.
I don't know about Quinn for sure, but Rhys-Davies said in TV Guide
that he would be out of there if there wasn't a greater commitment to
the sci-fi aspects of the series.
As recently as a fax sent yesterday, Fox still considers Sliders to
be a viable and renewable property. I'll keep an eye on further
developments.
FS>Anyway, weren't you the one who dissed the pilot movie so much a few
FS>months ago? Have you changed your mind?
I got to really like the show with "The Last Day." I still can't
profess a liking for the pilot, but the weekly installments were
getting better and better. If it's gone, I will be sorry to see it
go. (Heck, I even got to like Quinn, quite a major achievement
considering my initial opinion of him! )
e
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Msg : 46 of 384
From : Kay Shapero 1:102/524 .pä 24 .àé 95 16:45
To : Jeff Kovach
Subj : SLIDERS SEASON FINALE
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On , Jeff Kovach (1:114/318) wrote to Mark Jones:
JK>Or the idiots could cancel the show, like I read in this
JK>morning's paper.
Rats! That was one of the two shows on TV that I was making a point to watch
every week (the other being Babylon 5 - I sure hope IT survives).
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Msg : 47 of 384
From : Tony Limbert 1:2215/420 .pä 24 .àé 95 16:59
To : Kay Shapero
Subj : SLIDERS SEASON FINALE
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
While summoning Cthulhu, I overheard Kay say :
KS> Hanged if I know (be it noted that that particular rumor seems to be
KS> chronic among tv shows everytime it looks like there might be a cast
KS> shakeup). Or care frankly - the character I least wish to see vanish
KS> from the lineup is the Professor. I happen to like John Rhys-Davies.
You mean Pavarotti. :)
TL
... Beware Mortal! Thou art crunchy, and good with ketchup!
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Msg : 48 of 384
From : Jeff Kovach 1:114/318 .pä 24 .àé 95 18:50
To : Jack Butler
Subj : Sliders Continuity
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On 20 May 95 05:56:01 Jack Butler wrote...
JB> Heard the word through Entertainment Weekly's show. Sliders has
JB> been picked up for next season, and Jerry O'Connell is *still* going
JB> to be a regular. So yes, Quinn gets shot, but no, Quinn doesn't
JB> die.
To which Jeff Kovach replies...
Seeing that FOX announced that they cancelled the show, is it possible that
someone else picked it up or that it might go into syndication?
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Msg : 49 of 384
From : Kay Shapero 1:102/524 .pä 24 .àé 95 19:14
To : Chris Carter
Subj : Kosh's Karaoke machine
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On , Chris Carter (1:105/302.23) wrote to All:
CC>Before Garibaldi can answer Kosh says, "A moment of perfect
CC>beauty,"
CC>and proceeds out of the ballpark. Garibaldi and Lennier follow
CC>silently, with cheesy grins on their faces. Sheridan, looking
OOOK! Can I crosspost that to FILK? Please?
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Msg : 50 of 384
From : Rumble 1:163/436 .pä 24 .àé 95 20:41
To : Steven Wesen
Subj : Re: SeaQuest Survives
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Remeber the explosion on the alien ship was in the middle. They were on the
outside, so they may survive. I know that some of them are goind to plus the
seaQuest can reapare a hole in itself. It has bioginetic skin or something.
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Msg : 51 of 384
From : Rumble 1:163/436 .pä 24 .àé 95 20:43
To : Robert Lidgren
Subj : EARTH 2/SO LONG
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
didint you hear? seaQuest was moved to wednsdays at eight. Besides 90210 ll the
networks pulled their "powerhouse" shows from that time slot. They must be
afraid of seaQuest or something.
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Msg : 52 of 384
From : Rumble 1:163/436 .pä 24 .àé 95 20:46
To : John Kahane
Subj : SeaQuest
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Piccalo is obiously seaQuest's Quark. I think he's hilarious. I wonder waht the
plots will be like next year. I think they need a mix. Some science plots to
keep the scince fiction aspect up and some fantasy/action plots to keep another
part of the audience. You have to admit that seaQuest has more action than any
other sci-fi show.
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Msg : 53 of 384
From : Steven Skaggs 1:3608/250 .pä 24 .àé 95 22:02
To : Steve Martin
Subj : Re: Star Wars
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 94-2198
-=> Quoting Steve Martin to Steven Skaggs <=-
SS> Well, I think he's had a basic idea for the rest of the movies since
SS> he wrote the originals. He has stated several times over the past few
SS> years that Episode I will be out sometime before the end of the 20th
SS> century. Why would he lie about it?
SM> He already has. Dates have been given before...
When did Lucas give a specific date on when the new movies would definately
be out? I've heard dates before too but usually from other sources...
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Msg : 54 of 384
From : Steven Skaggs 1:3608/250 .pä 24 .àé 95 22:06
To : Bruce Baugh
Subj : Re: Star Wars
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 94-2198
-=> Quoting Bruce Baugh to Steven Skaggs <=-
BB> On (21 May 95) Steven Skaggs wrote to Bruce Baugh...
SS> Lucas himself said the first one will be released 'Before the
SS> year 2000'. I don't see any reason for him to lie about it.
BB> I don't think he's lying. He _has_ publicly made projections that
BB> didn't work out, in the past. Optimism is powerful, and can lead one
BB> astray. That's why I'll start really believing in the new movies
BB> when I see solid steps being taken toward getting them actually
BB> made.
Well, I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't come out on-time so to speak
but I would be surprised if they never came out at all. Lucas could always
change his mind I suppose.
BB> I _do_ take a certain encouragement from things Barbara Hambly and
BB> Michael Kube-McDowell have said on GEnie. Both of them got the
BB> definite idea that their Star Wars novels (and everyone else's) are
BB> part of a reasonably carefully timed schedule. The studio being
BB> willing to spend the money on the books shows that at least someone
BB> takes it seriously.
I think all licenses for the books and all other Star Wars related material
expire in '96 or '97. Another indication that he has plans. He has also
forbidden authors from using certain things in the novels, so I understand.
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Msg : 55 of 384
From : Richard Yamagata 1:203/955 .åò 25 .àé 95 02:49
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : B5: Bear Facts
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
JH> I liked it... but what exactly was there to say? ;-)
JH> and wondered every time how it appeared so quickly out of nowhere (if
JH> you're approaching an unknown piece of debris, shouldn't you go
JH> slowly enough to see it before hitting it?), how they manage to get a
JH> cockpit coverin that's strong enough to protect against random debris yet
JH> sounds just like plastic when something hits it, and why the bear slid
JH> off to the side the way it did as if wind was blowing it off.
All very fascinating questions Jeff, there is enough here to start 3 or 4
threads. And, this all came from one sequence in Babylon 5!
JH> There must be a specialized set of automated drones that go
JH> around collecting debris from space combat around the station,
Well, at least here I think it is safe to say that this must be one of the
functions of the maintenance bots. A lot of them seemed to be flying around out
there in the "And now for a word..." episode. Thanks for your deep analysis.
Ry
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Msg : 56 of 384
From : Richard Yamagata 1:203/955 .åò 25 .àé 95 03:12
To : John Kahane
Subj : B5: ItSoZ Thoughts
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
* In a message originally to Kay Shapero, John Kahane said:
JK> In a message of , Kay Shapero
JK> scribed:
JK> SPOILER ALERT!!!
JK> __________
JK> / _________ \
JK> / / \ \
JK> ------------------------------------------------
JK> / ______________________________________________ \
JK> / / \ \
JK> / / \
JK> \
JK> \ \ /
JK> /
JK> \ \ ____________________ / /
JK> \ \ l------------------- /
JK> \ \ / /
JK> / \ / \
JK> / / \ \ ____________ / / \ \
JK> / / \ \ l----------- / \ \
JK> / / / \ / \ \ \
JK> / / / /\ \ / /\ \ \ \
JK> \ \_____/ / \ \ / / \ \_____/ /
JK> \________/ \ \________/ / \________/
JK> \__________/
First off, I would like to say that I like your use of the Psi-Corp emblem,
because my son gets kick out of seeing it scroll on to the screen.
JK> series but very, very confused. Then there is "Knives,"
JK> which was a throwaway episode to me, except for the business
JK> with Londo and his old friend and the revelation of where
JK> the mental force that had invaded Sheridan's mind had come
JK> from.
I do not want to seem hyper-critical here or nit-picking, but what else was
there in this episode besides these 2 plot lines? There was that itsy-bitsy
sequence about that goverment department of peace, straight out of James Orwell,
but I have to say your 2 plot lines was the episode. I found it interesting
that JMS patterned the Centauri culture in this episode after Renassiance (yes I
can't spell) Italy.
JK> arises... Someone obviously knew what kind of poison to use
JK> on Kosh, since the ancient one in the suit should not be
JK> known to the universe in general. Whoever was behind this
JK> *knew* how to kill the not-Vorlon in the suit. Assuming
JK> that the whole poisoning business wasn't faked to begin
JK> with.
Actually, this is not surprising, if it was not faked as you point out. It was
made clear that the Minbari know the Vorlons and fought along side the Vorlons a
1000 years before B5's time against the Shadows. It would seem to me if you
fight along side someone, you would learn how they die. I am sure that the
Shadows know how to destroy the Vorlons and vice versa.
On the other hand, even Sinclair wondered in one of the episodes if the
poisoning was no faked. What I got from that episode is that Sinclair wondered
if it was not all some plot by Kosh to garner understanding of humans to place
them in crisis. Kosh got to interact with that Psi-corp psychic -- and he went
to great lengths to examine the current psychic with that cyborg.
It is obvious from "In the shadow..." that psychics will be important in
locating Shadows from that "passing in the corridor sequence." That may be part
of what JMS was building up to with all this fascination of Kosh's with
psychics. Ry
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Msg : 57 of 384
From : Richard Yamagata 1:203/955 .åò 25 .àé 95 03:24
To : Brian Henderson
Subj : B5 Ripoff: Ds9
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
* In a message originally to Jakc Butler, Brian Henderson said:
BH> No kidding. I didn't say otherwise. I did say, however,
BH> that B5 has a higher purpose than *JUST* making a quick buck.
I do not know if this is true or not, but I would like to think that it is true
for B5. From the amount of energy that JMS expends by posting on GEnie and CIS,
I believe that B5 means much more to him than a meal ticket. My son
is waiting for his B5 micro-machines, but from what I garner from JMS posts, it
seems JMS finds this type of marketing, demeaning.
BH> out but that's not the issue, is it? For Paramount and the
BH> makers of Star Trek, money is the biggest issue. For Warner, it quite
BH> possibly might be.
All I know is that from looking at the Nielsens, the Paramount Network's success
is all owed to ST Voyager. I think that the ST Voyager Q&A was a cheap ploy to
get Voyager fans to sit through hours of vapid programming just to find the Q&A
sequence. I think this supports your arguement about "selling grandma." As for
Warner, their network ratings are lower than Fox and Paramount. How much lower
and non-profitable can you get? It may be a blessing that B5 is syndicated an
not a Warner Network offering. Ry
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Msg : 58 of 384
From : Richard Yamagata 1:203/955 .åò 25 .àé 95 03:37
To : Frank Eva
Subj : B5 VS ST
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
FE> The phrase "worthy undertaking" seemed to connote socially
FE> redeeming values. IMO, I do believe B5 has these, but more importantly
FE> to me than socially redeeming values is "entertainment value", which B5
FE> has by the truckload.
In that regard, Babylon 5 has won an Award for Quality Television. I think you
are correct in that there is a lot of entertainment value in B5. I still
find it interesting that this is the only series that I am motivated to record
and save.
On the other hand, it may not be surprising. That long narrative by Delenn
about the Shadows, the First Ones, the Vorlons, drove me MAD!!! I played that
sequence over and over -- TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT MIRA WAS MUMBLING. It is
rediculous that she could not ennunciate better. I do not think it was a
directional ploy to heighten suspense.
The only thing that let me understand what Mira muffed was a transcript of that
part of the episode. I think that this narrative was as critical to the
B5 plot line as the dialog between Sheridan and Kosh about "understanding."
As always, it is good posting with you Frank. Ry
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Msg : 59 of 384
From : Richard Yamagata 1:203/955 .åò 25 .àé 95 03:40
To : Frank Eva
Subj : B5 Catch-Up
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
FE> RY someone should do a paperback serialization of the B5 episodes,
FE> RY in the same vein as the TOS books by James Blish.
FE> This would be nice but it would require a company like Simon & Schuster
FE> to envision a profit for such a series of books. I personally think
FE> there are few publishers who would consider such a series
FE> profitable at this early stage, with B5 still a somewhat unproven
FE> commodity...
You are right about this. To make the point more poignant for my son, "where
are the micro-machines?"
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Msg : 60 of 384
From : Richard Yamagata 1:203/955 .åò 25 .àé 95 04:03
To : FRANK SWARBRICK
Subj : B5 TALK
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
FS> but than neither should Mira Furlan (Delenn). In fact,
FS> she's probably my least favorite character.
I think that I am starting to get disenchanted with Delenn. Her character has
gone from malevolent in the pilot to a wimp after emerging from the Chrysalis. I
am thoroughly disgusted with her mumbling the crucial tail in "In the Shadow..."
I have to say that I like her character better bald.
FS> times. (In Thompson's case I think it's more the character than the
FS> actor, though. She was excellant in a Quantum Leap episode I saw.)
Thinking about your words, you are probably right. In most of the episodes she
is just a prop. Only in a few episodes have I felt close to her character.
Actually, only in 2 episodes have I liked what they did with her. There was the
Iron Heart episode and there was the episode with her ex-husband on board. In
all actuality, I think I do not like her character. A good part of that has to
do with the plotlines with the Susan Ivanova character.
FS> Anyway, I'm babbling, but I just wanted to agree that Biggs
FS> is a wonderful
No, your words are important for me to read. I was shaken up when I was told
that there are a group of San Francisco State Univ. students that collectively
all dislike Richard Biggs as an actor. They think he over acts, is pompous,
is... basically a William Shatner! I stand by my assessment that Richard Biggs
is the best at delivering lines, look and feel on the screen of all the
actors portraying earth force roles. Actually, I have to admit that even though
I cannot stand William Shatner outside of his acting, he has a vast dramatic
range. It is this dramatic range that took Star Trek in so many directions. I
have no idea how Richard Biggs is as a person. For entertainment purposes, I
can care less -- just like I still can sit through in rapt fascination all of
the TOS and 4 of the 7 Trek movies. Thanks for sharing your thoughts,
publically. Ry
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Msg : 61 of 384
From : Richard Yamagata 1:203/955 .åò 25 .àé 95 04:07
To : Jack Butler
Subj : B5: ItSoZ Thoughts
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
JB> JK> Someone obviously knew what kind of poison to use on Kosh, since the
JB> JK> ancient one in the suit should not be known to the universe in
JB> JK> general. Whoever was behind this *knew* how to kill the not-Vorlon
JB> JK> the suit. Assuming that the whole poisoning business wasn't faked to
JB> JK> begin with.
JB> The Minbari know who the Vorlons are. Or at least some
JB> do. Maybe one of them hired the assassin.
No, it WAS a Minbari of the warrior caste that was the assassin using a
changeling net. We saw the Minbari warrior before he snapped his wrist and blew
himself up in the pilot. Ry
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Msg : 62 of 384
From : Rumble 1:163/436 .åò 25 .àé 95 15:10
To : James Walton
Subj : Purpose of ST-DSN & ST-V
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
They can say this: Space the final frontier. These are the Voyages of teh Star
Ship Voyager.... ah screw it if any of this is getting through send help
please!!!
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Msg : 63 of 384
From : Ken Mayes 1:393/7 .åò 25 .àé 95 18:42
To : Jack Butler
Subj : Re: B5, B9
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On Tue 23-May-1995 5:20p, Jack Butler wrote:
JB> Hardly. His point was that there were entire species in the Trek
JB> Universe using living, sentient starships. There has been, however, only
JB> one. And one does not consititute a species.
JB> Jack Butler
Tin Man if you recall was said to BE the Last of it's species. The fact
that there was one says that there logically HAD to be a species of them
somewhere at sometime.
(Not to mention Picard's reference to Data as a species of one. 8?})
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Msg : 64 of 384
From : Frank Glover 1:2613/477 .ÿò 26 .àé 95 22:29
To : Michael Nellis
Subj : Re: spitting
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
MN> not take place, of course. For instance, the Federation never found
MN> Data, Worf was never picked up from the ruins of the outpost to go to
Data was indeed present in the new timeline, and still a helmsman.
But what I thought would've been a nice twist would be if the Klingon
commander that ordered the Enterprise-D to surrender had turned out to be an
alternate Worf...!
Frank
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Msg : 65 of 384
From : Samantha Dobbs 1:229/436 .òp 23 .àé 95 18:34
To : Tippi Blevins
Subj : Re: H.R. Giger
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
I have a postcard book that costs more the my comic collection!! I love Giger's
work and he did do the monsters for Aliens and album covers and there is even a
poster in a Dead Kenedey(sp?) album called Frankenchrist! The singer (Jello
Biafra) nearly when to jail over it!! If you do get any more Giger books watch
out!! They are VERY pricy!!!
Samantha...
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Msg : 66 of 384
From : FRANK SWARBRICK 1:104/825 .òp 23 .àé 95 19:41
To : BRUCE BAUGH
Subj : Movie: Miracle Mile
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On 05-20-95 11:43 Bruce Baugh, the little pine weasel, said:
BB> On (15 May 95) FRANK SWARBRICK wrote to BRUCE BAUGH...
FS> Yes, yes! I saw this movie a month or two ago and I *loved* it.
FS> I have never seen anything like it. Do you know of any movies
FS> with, umm, a similar disposition? Meaning, not the same
FS> subject, but the same kind of "feel."
BB> Hmm, let's see. Neither JACOB'S LADDER nor KAFKA has the initial
BB> comedy, but both have similar emotional wallops at the end. (JACOB'S
BB> LADDER has very nice acting from Macauley Culkin, too, as Tim
BB> Robbins' maybe-dead son.) The first of these is about a Vietnam vet
BB> working for the Post Office who finds himself being hunted by
BB> demons. Then things get weird. KAFKA is about, of all things, Franz
BB> Kafka, working in early 20th-century Prague, except that it's Prague
BB> the way he wrote it, complete with The Castle. He's working at an
BB> insurance company, and ends up finding out just how sinister the
BB> government is.
BB> RAN is one of Akira Kurosawa's masterworks, more or less KING LEAR
BB> adapted to fit Japanese history: the old warlord divides up his
BB> kingdom among his three sons, and things go badly.
BB> SWING KIDS is about jazz fanciers in Nazi Germany just before World
BB> War II.
BB> Oh, yes, and THE MISSION is a truly stunning work, about Franciscans
BB> in colonial Brazil not interested in going along with imperial
BB> schemes of conquest. Jeremy Irons stars in this one as well as in
BB> KAFKA. The ending of THE MISSION has, of all of these, an impact
BB> most similar to the ending of MIRACLE MILE.
Thanks for the info. From what I remember from the writeups when it
first came out Jacob's Ladder sounds like a must. I may try most of the
others, but Swing Kids? You must be kidding. Of course, I haven't seen
it, but I've heard terrible things about it. Are you actually serious
about it? (No offense.)
Frank
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Msg : 67 of 384
From : Pamela Crossett 1:325/118 .pä 24 .àé 95 02:34
To : Jack Butler
Subj : Highlander Scedule
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
JB> The producers are claiming that they let Lisa Howard go because
JB> of a lack of "chemistry" between her and Adrian Paul. Personally, I
JB> think they are bowing to fan pressure.
This sounds like you have an "insider" giving you information.
Or are you actually part of the show?
I always enjoy reading your posts, more so, as they all seem to end up
coming true.
I'm sad about the departure of Lisa Howard, although it actually adds a
touch or realism, having someone who was at least built up for some shows
(albeit not enough) turn Duncan down.
I mean, how many women could really handle the pressure? It would be worse
than being a NYC policeman's wife (and Bruce Willis's wife left him in the
3rd Die Hard movie - "who can blame her????"
Especially since many immortals have proven to be less than honorable
about hurting another immortal's woman.
JB> Well, at least Stan Kirsch and Peter Wingfield (Methos) are
JB> going to be back.
Again, how do you get this info? Will you reveal your source?
I'm so glad to hear Peter Wingfield will be back as Methos. That was the
best plot line of this season! And he was excellent for leaving a sense of
mystery around long-term immoratals.
Good talking with ya,
Pam
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Msg : 68 of 384
From : Jeff Schlenker 1:288/19 .pä 24 .àé 95 23:31
To : Jack Butler
Subj : Re: X-Files Finale
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-=> Jack Butler was overheard speaking to All <=-
JB> PS I think I know how Mulder got out of the buried refrigeration
JB> car.
OK, I'll bite. What dot you think?
Jeff
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Msg : 69 of 384
From : Bruce Baugh 1:105/290.50 .åò 25 .àé 95 00:53
To : Jack Butler
Subj : Sliders-Luck of the Draw
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (22 May 95) Jack Butler wrote to FRANK SWARBRICK...
JB> "Soylent Green is people!"
Soylent Green: it's the People Food.
... Since the Bible was written in Farenheit that's good enough for me.
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Msg : 70 of 384
From : David Johnston 1:342/14 .åò 25 .àé 95 01:22
To : Brian Henderson
Subj : B5 Ripoff: Ds9
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> purpose than *JUST* making a quick buck. Star Trek would kill it's
-> own grandmother for a buck, so to speak, violate any rule, do
-> anything. B5 has a
Unfair. Star Trek may not have a grand masterplan, but it's
inconsistencies are not monetary in origin.
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Msg : 71 of 384
From : David Johnston 1:342/14 .åò 25 .àé 95 01:27
To : Scott Gates
Subj : Sliders - Bathroom? Wash
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> The energy requirements are too large to replicate large objects,
-> instead, they replicate component parts then let humans assemble
-> them.
Um...the energy requirements in order to replicate a large object are
identical to those required to replicate all of it's components, no
matter how the replicators work.
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Msg : 72 of 384
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .åò 25 .àé 95 07:41
To : Scott Gates
Subj : BEST SF
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.42.b9 8060
SG "FE=> Read Harlan Ellison's comments in the latest issue of
SG "FE=>Sci-Fi Universe for his views on Star Trek (not that he is the
SG "FE=>only authority who really counts, mind you...) They are truly
SG "FE=>eye-opening! Even though he is a 'conceptual consultant' on B5,
SG "FE=>he has some complaints about that show, too!
SG "Harlan's problem with B5 is he doesn't get his way 110% of the time.
SG "(the extra 10% comes when he does get his way, was wrong, and will
SG "blame someone else.
He did sound like a whiny baby in the SFU interview...
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Msg : 73 of 384
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .åò 25 .àé 95 07:41
To : Mark Jones
Subj : Torres in Faces
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.42.b9 8060
MJ " I actually hoped (for a few minutes) that they intended to
MJ "*leave* her completely human.
Funny you say this because I felt the same way! Also, think of the time
and money they could have saved not having to apply a turtle to her
forehead every shooting day?! :-)
MJ " THAT would have made the silly techno-babble worthwhile.
I'm beginning to see why you're so opposed to "techo-babble"! It really
is getting rather deep, especially in the last episode in which they had
to figure out a way to "cure" the bio-gel-packs! IMO, the last 3 shows
have definitely taken a nosedive in quality. Perhaps the writers are
getting burnt out...
MJ "would have given them a chance for some real angst--as B'lanna is
MJ "forced to learn how to get through life as a human. She'd have to
MJ "figure out just how much of her personality was genetically
MJ "determined, and how much was learned--and just how much she could
MJ "compensate for the loss.
In addition to the factors you mentioned, how would she react to her
parents... all sorts of neat complications!
MJ " So the Holo-Doctor simply takes DNA from the klingon corpse, and
MJ "uses it to rewrite every cell in her body so that a week later (by
MJ "the next episode) she is back to square one (and completely
MJ "unaffected emotionally by an ordeal no one in the universe--except
MJ "James T. Kirk ninety years ago--has ever experienced.
MJ " (And if they can do *that* to her, why the hell couldn't they
MJ "recreate Neelix's lungs?)
Doc Zimmerman is not as obnoxious as Wesley Crusher, but he's being used
basically the same way. Save another crew member? Just ask Doc Zimmerman
to go well beyond his normal programming, and he'll save the day every
time!
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Msg : 74 of 384
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .åò 25 .àé 95 07:41
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : Voices: John Vornholt
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.42.b9 8060
JH "Eh? Where I left off they were going to have the Psi-Corps
JH "conference on B5 due to the explosion on Mars, and the cover blurb
JH "says something about someone going to stop that too. So what's the
JH "rest of it doing on Earth?
Kosh helps Ms. Winters escape, and she takes off for Earth, where she
expects to find a way to clear her name.
BTW, I have been reading volume #2 in the B5 series (by Lois Tilton).
It's called "Accusations". It is the typical who-dun-it, with the B5
characters slapped on. Sheesh... I'll probably never buy another B5
novel. Foolish of me to think that the paperback writers would be
allowed to advance the B5 STORYLINE, or actually tell a good sci-fi
story...
JH "but anyway, aside from that possibility, I'd wager on the mental
JH "projection or that sentient minds can't comprehend seeing a Vorlon
JH "and percieve their vision of whatever an ancient wise supernatural
JH "being is.
I think I'd rather not speculate. Perhaps JMS will come up with an
episode that clears this matter up...
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Msg : 75 of 384
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .åò 25 .àé 95 07:41
To : All
Subj : B5 COMIC
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.42.b9 8060
According to the letters column in issue #5, DC Comics will be rotating
teams of artists/writers. So, even though the current look has improved,
there is no guarantee this same team will continue to produce the B5
comic...
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Msg : 76 of 384
From : Kay Shapero 1:102/524 .åò 25 .àé 95 09:30
To : James Walton
Subj : Purpose of ST-DSN & ST-V
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On , James Walton (1:129/260) wrote to Denis Lamy:
JW>As far as Voyager goes, I have never seen it, but since the show
JW>isn't about a planned trip, not too much can be said.
OTOH, the number of filks to the Gilligan's Island theme that this thing has
inspired is pretty impressive... :->
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Msg : 77 of 384
From : DAVE WHITTIER 1:134/10 .åò 25 .àé 95 12:25
To : KARMIN ST.JEAN
Subj : LOTTERYS IN THE MAIL
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
KS>Okay, so I spelled it wrong. But look at it this way. It's a lottery, just t
KS>same as scratching one of those tickets you buy at the store,
I think you're missing the point. It's not a lottery, it's a con, and
it's illegal
KS> ...then find the jerk who conned you out of it and beat the
KS>living daylights out of him, or give him the Vulcan Neck Pinch...
Does the Vulcan Neck Pinch work by email? Or by post? Get the picture?
These people want you to send money all over the country on the promise
that IF everyone else does it, you'll be rich. How do you "beat the
living daylights" out of a post office box? It's not just a dumb idea,
it's against the law.
So, how about them X-files? :)
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Msg : 78 of 384
From : Gloria Darcy 1:124/8107 .åò 25 .àé 95 21:57
To : Jack Butler
Subj : Highlander Scedule
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JB> Quoth Brian Kuhnel, "Nevermore".
JB> The producers are claiming that they let Lisa Howard go because of a
JB>lack of "chemistry" between her and Adrian Paul. Personally, I think they
JB>are bowing to fan pressure.
maybe! I could tell from day one that those two had no
chemistry whatsoever!
JB> Well, at least Stan Kirsch and Peter Wingfield (Methos) are going to be
JB>back.
Great news, Jack! What about Joe? I haven't seen the second
part yet of the season finale.
Gloria
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Msg : 79 of 384
From : Morten M.nsson 2:235/335.17 .åò 25 .àé 95 22:45
To : All
Subj : Starfleet Rules as...
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Hi All, Copenhagen calling!
Having read something about Starfleet rules, as interpreted by Captain
Picard and the crew of Enterprise, I got the urge to add a few more rules...:
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
8. If a dangerous solution to a problem, haven't been tested before, try one
of the following commands: "Redirect Power..." or "Reverse Polarity..."
9. If access to a high-level-security-system or area is impossible,
try the ventilation duct or the loose access-panel right next to it.
10. If your ships highly sophisticated automatic controls are unable to cope
with an unnatural cosmic fenomenon, try flying it better manually!
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With Prosperous Greetings
Morten "Meanie" MÆnsson
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Msg : 80 of 384
From : Morten M.nsson 2:235/335.17 .åò 25 .àé 95 22:46
To : All
Subj : My friend Max
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Good Evening Everyone! Copenhagen calling - The jury has decided as follows:
>Max Headroom: 10 points!
Can anybody tell me, what the difference is between the UK and the US
versions of the show. Are there different actors? Different episodes? Or..??
If anyone has a short episode listing from either version,
preferably both, you will be included in my bedtime prayers! ;-)
And that concludes the judging of the danish jury.....next caller please!
Bye no-no-no-no-now!
Morten "Max" MÆnsson
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Msg : 81 of 384
From : Morten M.nsson 2:235/335.17 .åò 25 .àé 95 22:46
To : All
Subj : X-FILES konference??
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Hi again everybody!
Can anybody please confirm, or the opposite ;-(, the rumour about,
there being a seperate X-Files konference called - plainly: X-FILES ??
And...Can someone tell me the names of the Movie related Echo's.
There has to be some, don't there? Noone over here knows anything...
Thanks a lot. Tooteloo!
Morten "Mean" MÆnsson
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Msg : 82 of 384
From : FRANK SWARBRICK 1:104/825 .ÿò 26 .àé 95 01:55
To : JOHN KAHANE
Subj : Stuff of TP
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On 05-22-95 15:31 John Kahane, the little pine weasel, said:
JK> In a message of , FRANK SWARBRICK scribed:
FS> Anyway, I watched the pilot movie when Bravo aired it on
FS> Halloween night last year. I was *not* blown away, and found
FS> parts of it rather annoying (mostly Laura's mothers darn
FS> bawling through the whole thing!).
JK> But there was a reason for Laura's mother bawling her head off
JK> for most of the episode. She is/was a psychic, and had "visions" of
JK> things...
Didn't say there wasn't a reason. Only said it was annoying! :-)
FS> (And of course I'll have to rent the "Fire Walk With Me" movie.)
JK> Some of us will have to rent or buy the movie, Frank. I still
JK> haven't seen FIRE WALK WITH ME. :)
I finished the series the other day. May rent "Fire Walk With Me"
this weekend. I saw it at Blockbuster the other day, along with the
pilot movie and the first seven episodes.
FS> On to the questions... First, can someone match the actor's
FS> names with the characters for me. I know probably less than
FS> half of them. I'm interested in the main credit stars, the
FS> beginning credit stars, and even the main guest stars.
JK> Boy, you don't ask the little questions, do you? :)
[deleted]
Thanks for the list. How did you manage to know all this? Anyway, it's
missing a few important characters. Giant was of course played by Carel
Struyken. I saw that David Lynch himself played someone in a few episodes.
At first I thought it must the rather Caucasian looking Chinese guy ,
but of course that turned out to be Catherine Martell in disguise. So
I figure it must be Cooper's boss Gordan (Pratt?). Still, could be wrong.
I've seen Lynch once (on the Tonight Show), but I can't picture him, other
than I remember he had a rather strange hairdo.
Oh, and how about Annie Blackburn? She was a rather important character,
even though she was only in the last half dozen episodes or so. I found
her and Cooper to make quite a cute couple. :-)
Then there's the old waiter guy, but I think I can get his name from
the ending credits. Oh, you ever notice that the little guy was listed
as The Man From Everywhere, or some such thing? Wierd.
Looking at your list it looks like you don't have anyone from after the
Laura Palmer mystery was solved. Not a criticism by any means. Just
a comment.
How about Thomas Eckhart, Andrew Packard (yes, those last two have the names
listed with the actors), the mayor, Lana, Dick Tremaine, Jack (who Audrey
fell for). I know the guy who played Squiggy on Laverne & Shirley (David
L. Landers?) played someone, but I can't remember the character's name!
Oh, and the Renault brothers. And others I can't think of. Ah well
FS> How about an episode title list? I got a list from someone
FS> else that seems to be pretty reliable, but I'm not sure on it.
JK> To the best of my knowledge, the episodes of TWIN PEAKS didn't
JK> have any titles. If they did, I'd sure as heck appreciate a full list
JK> of titles for the stories.
FS> Next question is, did season one end after Cooper got shot?
JK> Correct. :)
FS> So the first season would be six episodes, and seven hours.
JK> Nope. According to my videotape collection, the first season
JK> consists of the two-hour premiere, and seven one-hour episodes.
Hmm, this seems to be correct. I didn't have the so-called episode title
list until after well into the "second season," so I couldn't follow
along at the time.
FS> The second season would be 24 episodes and 25 hours (or 26 if
FS> there were two two hour episodes).
JK> The second season consists of a two-hour premiere again, and 21
JK> one-hour episodes as well.
OK...The list I have seems to be totally made up, and not quite accurate
even in which episode goes where. (huh?) Still, most of the titles
actually went quite well with what the episodes were actually about.
Fer instance it has the pilot as "Wrapped In Plastic," the season one
finale as "Bite The Bullet," the episode with Laura's secret diary as
"The Diary of Laura Palmer," the episode where Maddy is killed is, well,
"Maddy." Actually, most of the later titles aren't all too creative.
I'll post it in the next message just so you can see it.
Another thing which indicates there were no titles is the videos that
are out are simply listed as "Episode 001," "Episode 002," etc. (With
episode 001 being the first one hour episode.) Still, many TV shows
(including the X-Files) have titles that are just not listed onscreen.
FS> More comments... I've heard comments that after the Laura
FS> Palmer mystery was "solved" (such as it is) people say that
FS> it went downhill and just got plain wierd.
JK> Yep, this is pretty accurate in some ways. Once the Laura Palmer
JK> mystery was cleared up, the series went in a direction that not many
JK> fans of the show appreciated (at least I don't think they did). Weird
JK> is one word for it. :)
Having just finished it, I actually don't agree. I didn't get much into
the first few after the LPalmer mystery was solved (such as the whole
Jean Renault thing and the James/Evelyn story), but I liked most of it.
I especially liked the whole Annie Blackburn(?) thing, and the final
episode was quite cool.
FS> Welp, I'm done rambling. I hope I'm not totally off topic.
FS> If anyone wants to talk with a new TP convert/fanatic, I'd
FS> love to hear your comments!
JK> Well, you've got some of mine above; I trust that you can start a
JK> whole new conversation about the series with me now!
Heh heh. I still have more questions, but I'll stop for now.
Frank
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Msg : 83 of 384
From : FRANK SWARBRICK 1:104/825 .ÿò 26 .àé 95 02:03
To : JACK BUTLER
Subj : Twin Peaks
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On 05-22-95 06:00 Jack Butler, the little pine weasel, said:
JB> Quoth FRANK SWARBRICK, "Nevermore".
FS> I never saw Twin Peaks when it originally aired. I worked until after
FS> 9:00 at night and didn't have a VCR. I do remember there was a big
FS> thing regarding "The Diary of Laura Palmer," but I don't remember much
FS> more than that.
JB> Well, "The Diary of Laura Palmer" was a "spin-off" book written
JB> by Jennifer Lynch (daughter of David Lynch, the producer of Peaks, and
JB> a director/producer in her own right). I read part of it, and wasn't
JB> that impressed except to note that Laura Palmer, it turned out, was not
JB> a nice person at all...
Yeah, I remember seeing this book at the place I worked. Don't really
plan to look for it. Probably couldn't find it anymore anyway.
FS> I still have four more episodes to go, though Bravo finished with it
FS> last week. (And of course I'll have to rent the "Fire Walk With Me"
FS> movie.)
JB> Frank, I mean this: you don't have to watch "Fire Walk With Me".
JB> You may not even want to. The best thing I can say about it is that
JB> both Sheryl Lee and Moira Kelley (the "replacement" Donna) look good
JB> nekkid. Oh, and David Bowie's cameo is interesting. But that's it.
Replacement Donna? How could they! Hmm, not sure if I'll get it this
weekend after all. Perhaps some day, if there's nothing else to do.
Thanks for the info.
FS> On to the questions... First, can someone match the actor's names
FS> with the characters for me.
JB> The only ones I can remember (its been a while since I've seen
JB> it, and I was working during the recent Bravo airing) are Kyle
JB> MacLachlan (Special Agent D.B. Cooper), Michael Ontkean (Sheriff Harry
JB> Truman), Everett McGill (Ed Hurley), Joan Chen (Josie Packard), Machen
JB> Amick (Shelly Johnson), Eric De Ray (Leo Johnson), Carol Struyken (The
JB> Giant), Charles Gray (The Dancing Dwarf), and Sheryl Lee (Laura
JB> Palmer/Madeline Furguson).
Actually, the Dancing Dwarf (the Man from Everywhere) was played by
Michael Anderson. I know this for sure because he was in an X-Files
episode, not to mention John Kahane confirmed it with his list.
Anyway...
FS> Of course, for all I know these episode titles could be totally bogus.
FS> The guy who I got them from is a total flake, but they seem to match
FS> what the episodes were about.
JB> I don't seem to remember there being episode titles...
Seems to be a bogus list.
FS> Next question is, did season one end after Cooper got shot?
JB> No...
John Kahane says yes. Or were you just kidding?
FS> More comments... I've heard comments that after the Laura Palmer
FS> mystery was "solved" (such as it is) people say that it went downhill
FS> and just got plain wierd. I have to say that I was a little let down
FS> by the first few episodes after it, but they were still enjoyable and I
FS> got "re-interested" again quite soon.
JB> I thought it nosedived right into imcomprehensibility, but stayed
JB> with it all the way.
Well, it didn't make all that much sense before then, so I really can't
agree with that. I liked almost the entire series.
FS> I hope to record them when TP comes around again on Bravo.
JB> Me too, now that you got me interested again.
Heh heh! Dunno when it will be on again. They're doing Brooklyn Bridge
right now, and will probably follow it with Max Headroom again (all 14
hours...). Hopefully they'll show TP again after that.
I'd copy my tapes for ya, but I only have one VCR...
Frank
... ALL DONE - BYE BYE!
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Msg : 84 of 384
From : FRANK SWARBRICK 1:104/825 .ÿò 26 .àé 95 02:22
To : ALL
Subj : fake Twin Peaks ep list
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OK, the original list I got had the two hour episodes listed as two
separate episodes (ie, "Wrapped In Plastic (I)" and "Wrapped In Plastic
(II)", as well as saying that both "Bite The Bullet" and "One Stone At
A Time" were both two parts. Still, it worked pretty well, except that
when I reconcile it I can only manage to get 6 one hour episodes in
season one, when in fact there were seven. And there's an extra one in
season two, but I can't figure out which one. Unfortunately I deleted
the original info when I make my list. It could be that OSAAT was
the episode where Cooper got shot, except that doesn't make sense title-
wise. Not to mention that it would mean I missed TSDoLP, and I know
for a fact that I saw the first episode with the secret diary. (I
missed the first one hour episode of the second season, which ever one
that was...)
The notes after the asterisks are just notes to me so I can make sure to
record them because I missed them the first time around.
All in all, interesting titles, if rather uncreative toward the end.
Remember--these titles seem to be totally *fake*, unless I can get someone
else to verify them! :-)
Twin Peaks - Season One
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Ep.# Episode Title
==== ================================
1. "Wrapped In Plastic" (2 hours)
2. "Jacoby & Heart"
3. "The Dream of the Red Drapes"
4. "Funeral For Laura"
5. "One Armed Man & Veternarian"
6. "The Log Speaks Yet Waldo Dies"
7. "Bite The Bullet"
Twin Peaks - Season Two
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Ep.# Episode Title
==== ================================
8. "One Stone At A Time" (2 hours)
9. "You And I" * need to record
10. "The Secret Diary of Laura Palmer"
11. "Audrey Kidnapped"
12. "Rescue Of Audrey"
13. "Mike"
14. "Bob Revealed" * need to re-record?
15. "Maddy"
16. "Expulsion"
17. "Disappearance" * need to record!
18. "Dennis/Denise"
19. "Return" * need to record!
20. "Capture Of Renault"
21. "Windom Earle"
22. "Evelyn"
23. "Josie"
24. "The Box"
25. "The Symbol"
26. "The Petrocliff"
27. "Return Of Bob"
28. "Revenge"
29. "Possession of Cooper" (Part I)
30. "Possession of Cooper" (Part II)
n/a "Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me" (2 hour movie)
Just for a little more perspective, "Expulsion" seems to be the episode
where they find out Leland (as Bob!) killed Laura, and he (Leland) dies.
The next one, where Major Briggs disappears, is of course "Disapearance,"
and from there on they're fairly obvious. ("Josie" is where Josie dies,
etc.) The final one makes sense as "Possession of Cooper," but I don't
know why he called the one before that "part 1" of it.
Frank
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Msg : 85 of 384
From : FRANK SWARBRICK 1:104/825 .ÿò 26 .àé 95 02:58
To : CHRIS CARTER
Subj : Kosh's Karaoke machine
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Woah...excellant!!
:-)
Frank
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Msg : 86 of 384
From : FRANK SWARBRICK 1:104/825 .ÿò 26 .àé 95 19:10
To : SKIP SHAYOTOVICH
Subj : VR.5
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On 05-21-95 14:10 Skip Shayotovich, the little pine weasel, said:
SS> = A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, Frank said: =
FS> I'm curious to know if anyone out there (besides me) actually liked
FS> VR.5...
SS> I do... a lot actually, but I can see how it would be difficult
SS> for someone who hasn't been watching it from the start to jump in and
SS> watch any of the episodes.
Alas, 'tis been cancelled.
FS> Anyway! I very much hope FOX gives the show another chance, even if
FS> it's their lowest rated one. I hear that the new Morgan/Wong
FS> (ex-X-Files producers) show Space is going to lead in for The X-Files
FS> in the fall, so that's discouraging where VR.5 is concerned.
SS> Really? I hadn't heard that... what's SPACE about, do you know?
SS> If Fox does cancel it, I at least hope they don't leave us hanging
SS> without a closure episode.
Found out that Space is going to be on Sunday nights at 7:00pm (6:00
central/mtn). The storyline seems to be thus...
A group of first year military cadets are thrust to the frontline of an
interstellar war when a previously unknown alien race attacks the
Earth and destroys it's elite fighting squad. Sounds pretty good! I've
also seen it refered to as "Top Gun in space," but that's a little shallow.
I wonder how far the show has been planned out. Hopefully they've
planned out in advance like Babylon 5 (well, maybe not five years in
advance, but...) so they have a story "goal" to work toward. I'm looking
forward to it, even if the time slot sucks. I stopped watching Earth 2
in part because it was in that time slot.
Frank
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Msg : 87 of 384
From : Arsenal 1:362/708 .ÿò 26 .àé 95 21:20
To : Joel Jessup
Subj : SeaQuest DSV
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.REALNAME: James Ward
In the mess of my work and my life I caught a line...
I will post you if I hear anything about the loss of the SeaQuest Crew.
Question: do you know any info sooner than other than us Viewers?
Cause I for one would like to know the happenings before all else.
(am the next to last to hear the facts, just rumbleings)
BTW thanks for the Dagwood point (Blanking at post times is a pain!)
later....
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Msg : 88 of 384
From : Bruce Baugh 1:105/290.50 .ÿò 26 .àé 95 23:30
To : FRANK SWARBRICK
Subj : Movie: Miracle Mile
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (23 May 95) FRANK SWARBRICK wrote to BRUCE BAUGH...
FS> Thanks for the info. From what I remember from the writeups
FS> when it first came out Jacob's Ladder sounds like a must. I may
FS> try most of the others, but Swing Kids? You must be kidding. Of
FS> course, I haven't seen it, but I've heard terrible things about
FS> it. Are you actually serious about it? (No offense.)
No offense taken. I think it's glorious - one of the best films
about Nazi German culture I've ever seen. Gorgeously produced,
excellent soundtrack by James Horner, rich and satisfying story.
Kenneth Branagh has an oustanding part as a Gestapo agent whose
motives are all too comprehensible, and by no means entirely
villainous (which, IMHO, sharpens and humanizes the evil). Initially
small differences add up as the story goes along. The final shot is
a wee tad campy, but the scene surrounding it is finely tragic.
... The refrigerator light DOES go out. Now let me out of here.
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Msg : 89 of 384
From : Debra Milner 1:112/285 .ÿò 26 .àé 95 23:33
To : Jack Butler
Subj : X-Files Finale
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
> Jack Butler
> PS I think I know how Mulder got out of the buried
> refrigeration car.
Please fill me in....
We went to get a new living room set tonight, and the VCR didn't tape as it was
supposed to...(of course, the fact that I forgot to set it could have been one
reason).....
How DID Mulder get out of that car?
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Msg : 90 of 384
From : Debra Milner 1:112/285 .ÿò 26 .àé 95 23:39
To : Dana Zendell
Subj : Help on X-Files Finale
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
> Hi everyone,
> I missed the final episode of the X-Files as well as the highlights
> which aired right before the show. Would anybody be willing to send
> me
> a copy of those 2 hours of X-Files? I would really appreciate it.
> From what I have heard, it sounded like it was very good finale. And
> if
> needed I could send a videotape to copy it on.
I have both on tape, and tell you what, I'll be more than happy to send you a
copy, if you can send me your address...BTW, did you by any chance get tonight's
(part 2) episode on tape? Guess what dummy forgot to set the VCR tonight...
--- GEcho 1.00
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Msg : 91 of 384
From : Jim Cushing 1:123/75 .óá 27 .àé 95 01:33
To : Gary Warren
Subj : Re: CREATION REVIEW 1995: THE TROUBLE WITH R'NOLD! (part 2)
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
GW> CREATION REVIEW 1995: THE TROUBLE WITH R'NOLD!
GW> By GARY L. WARREN (aka "glw")
GW> After we were firmly, but not happily, seated, we suffered
GW> through the introductory music video (isn't ANYBODY who is vaguely
GW> familiar with classical music, late 1970's rock or WAYNE'S WORLD
GW> besides me tired of hearing Queen's version of "Bohemian Rhapsody" for
GW> the 97th time?).
Actually no! Queen is still one of my favorite groups.
GW> Then we concentrated a bit more on Arnold's humourlessly spoken
GW> (to everyone but himself)
Having been to a con where Arnold was one of the guest speakers I can
sympathize with you.
::POSSIBLE SPOILER ALERT!:::ANYBODY
GW> READING PAST
GW> THIS POINT **ISN'T** BEING FORCED TO DO SO AT GUNPOINT!:::waving green
GW> flag!:::]
GW> Since Colm Meany (Miles O'Brien on DS9) has a contract
GW> allowing him to include his outside movie roles with his regular DS9
GW> appearances, his stay on that series is assured for several years.
Colm has also stated that one of his main reasons for staying on DS9 is
that he gets a steady paycheck something most actors don't receive.
GW> ° The subplot of Quark's nephew Nog's application to
GW> Starfleet will surface again in the DS9 episode "Facets."
I've heard that O'brien will be "assisting" Nog with application and
training for the academy.
GW> ° DS9's Benjamin Sisco (Avery Brooks) will be promoted
GW> to captain at the end of this season.
About time!
GW> ° Even though Robert McNeil's Tom Paris on VOYAGER and
GW> his earlier TNG Nick Lacarno from "The First Duty" have identical
GW> semi-bad guy character backgrounds, the Lacarno character was rewritten
GW> into Paris in order for Paramount to avoid paying the scripter(s) of
GW> "The First Duty" residuals for each VOYAGER episode involving Lacarno.
GW> (And we thought Paramount dishonestly credited or underpaid its TREK
GW> franchise scriptwriters--AHEM!!)
Paramount is a business of making money while "trying" to give its viewers
"quality" programs.
GW> ° To avoid an R-rating for STAR TREK VI:
GW> THE UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY, the Klingon blood bubbles were Pepto
GW> Bismol-coloured. "Purple blood," commented Arnold, "is considered
GW> less violent than RED blood!"
Blood is blood no matter what the color it is. They still showed the
violence. Changing the color of blood because purple is less violent
than red blood is stupid. If anything they should have "cut" back on the
graphic violence while keeping the red blood.
GW> As usual, Shatner didn't sign autographs,
I know he has a signature contract with QVC but that is ridiculous! The
man gets paid $25,000 for a weekend show plus first class airline tickets
plus over $100.00 per day for food and he can't take time out to sign
autographs!
GW> ° Despite Paramount's monetary concerns, it always
GW> builds a new Enterprise bridge for each movie.
If Shatner said that he is either a liar or he dosen't read the books
his collaborators wrote for him. In his Movie Memories book he clearly stated
that all through the series and movies Paramount either remade, refurbished
or upgraded the current sets.
GW> ° The horseback-riding scene with Patrick Stewart in
GW> GENERATIONS took two days to shoot, where it was up to Shatner to
GW> teach Stewart how to ride AND to wear panty-hose *inside* his pants.
Stewart knew how to ride! Stewart was not prolific horseman like Shatner.
GW> ° His new STAR TREK novel, ASHES OF EDEN, is part of a
GW> planned trilogy.
Did he also state that 80% of the book was written by Gar and Judith
Stevens!
GW> He also added that VOYAGER and DS9 producer Rick Berman may consider his
GW> screenplay for ASHES as part of another TREK film, which would inevitably
GW> result in Captain James T. Kirk's "resurrection" for at least this
GW> supposed movie.
I hope not after all Shatner last idea(ST5 In search of "God")was a flop!
Besides "He's dead Bill" and I hope he stays that way.
GW> While USA Network has canceled TEKWAR, a Canadian network is considering
GW> producing more episodes.
At times I enjoyed TEKWAR and I hope a Canadian network will produce more!
GW> ° Shatner said he believes VOYAGER is "more in line"
GW> with the exploratory premise of the Original Series than DS9, even
GW> though he admitted seeing only "Caretaker," VOYAGER's two-hour debut.
How would he know? He has admitted that he has never watched TNG or DS9 so
how can he make a statement like that plus he only saw the debut episode
of Voyager.
GW> ° Among his most degrading entertainment assignments,
GW> Shatner listed his role in the 1970's KINGDOM OF THE SPIDERS and his
GW> late 1960's rendition of "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds." He explained,
GW> however, that the original cut included his reading from "Man from La
GW> Mancha" intercut with his "interpretation" of the Beatles hit in order
GW> to provide a sort of literary contrast of the times. The purpose of
GW> the release containing only "Lucy" was "to DEGRADE me!" Shatner
GW> exclaimed. °
Hey the man needed work! Plus he had been through a bitter divorce with
his first wife which pratically left him pennyless and living out of his
pickup truck.(he stated that on an interview with Howard Stern)
GW> Shatner included "The City on the Edge of Forever" (which he labeled
GW> "The City on the Edge of the River") and "The Trouble with Tribbles"
GW> were his favorite Original Series episodes. He also mused that the
GW> show's finale "Turnabout Intruder" ("where a woman entered MY body!")
GW> was one of his most unforgettable TOS shows.
Bill must be suffering from memory loss. When I last saw him at a convention
he stated that his favorite was "The devil in the dark"(the Horta episode)
because his father died either just before filming began or while they were
filming the episode.
GW> Since we had our fill of Shatner and parking and seating
GW> hassles, Teri and I didn't bother to stay for the rescheduled blooper
GW> reel. If I was teaching at Teri's school where she works, I'd stamp a
GW> fat D-plus (D+) for the convention's grade, with the only saving graces
GW> being the informational bits and Shatner's appearance. If I were to
GW> repeat my oath from last year not to attend another Creation
GW> convention, I'd gladly do so with crossed fingers. But I'd ALSO add the
GW> caveat that Creation needs to come up with another convention site with
GW> better parking and audience seating AND a convention host with a
GW> tumbleweed's inkling about handicapped accessibility issues.
Good idea!
... I am Bjorn Borg. Stop making fun of my name, dangit!
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
* Origin: Weyr Galifrey - Memphis, TN +1.901.685.0017 (1:123/75)
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Msg : 92 of 384
From : Jim Cushing 1:123/75 .óá 27 .àé 95 01:33
To : Phill Ash
Subj : Re: SeaQuest Survives
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
PA> Phill Ash nasally exhaled his coffee upon hearing this:
>Did you hear?! Next year it will be on Wendsdays! Nothing to compete
>with it, And nothing to preempt it with.
PA> Wednesday in what time slot?
8:00 ET
PA> Will it be competing with Babylon5?
Who knows! If one of your local stations telecast B-5 on Wednesday's at
8:00 then yes it will compete in your local station area not nation wide.
90210?
Yes
PA> Possibly Sliders?
Sliders is not on FOX's fall lineup but it hasn't been cancelled and may
return as a mid season replacement somewhere in FOX's lineup. Not necessarily
on Wednesday nights.
PA> Or will they do the smart thing and put it in Quantum Leap's
PA> old timeslot (10 est)?
What is so smart about that time slot?
... Captain, there be mail here!
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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Msg : 93 of 384
From : Jim Cushing 1:123/75 .óá 27 .àé 95 01:33
To : Jack Butler
Subj : Re: Highlander, The Series
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
JB> Quoth Marc Zingarelli, "Nevermore".
MZ> I'm just waiting to see if he'll be in the season next year since he's
MZ> been banished from europe.
JB> Not only will Richie be back next season, but so will Methos and
JB> Amanda.
JB> I cannot wait for the finale. The final fight with Kallas was
JB> filmed on the *real* Eiffel Tower. I wonder how they turned that
JB> little trick...
JB> Jack Butler
JB> Highlander Guru
Friday's Entertainment Tonight did a segment on the season finale. The actors
involved stated it was very dangerous especially the dance sequence with
Amanda and Duncan's final encounter with Kalas.
... I am Ernest Angley of Borg. Prepare to be HHHEEEEAAAALLLEEEDDD!
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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Msg : 94 of 384
From : Jim Cushing 1:123/75 .óá 27 .àé 95 01:33
To : Starwolf
Subj : Re: Scope?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
TH>Kubrick brought his vision to the screen and Clarke novelized the
TH>film,
St> Not quite. Clarke wrote THE SENTINEL short story which gave rise to
St> the idea of a film and then wrote 2001 and the film followed. Proof?
I have proof read Clarke introduction to the latest edition of 2001 in
it he states that The Sentinel did not give rise to the idea for the film.
Mow read the intro to 2010 in it Clarke stated that the book and movie 2001
were made simultaneously. Clarke worked hand in hand with Kubrick. Feeback
was given freely among them. The movie was released first followed a few months
later by the book.
St> In the book, the Discovery goes to Saturn, but in the film they go to
St> Jupiter. Why? When they started the film they found out the effects
St> technology of the time wasn't up to a convincing Saturn and they had
St> to rewrite the story to have it take place around Jupiter instead.
Kubrick rewrote the screenplay changing Saturn to Jupiter. Clarke elected
to keep Saturn as the focal point in the book.
St> Sure, the STAR WARS trilogy were razzle-dazzle fun, but they lacked the
St> palpable depth of 2001.
Agree
... Prune juice: The drink of warriors everywhere!
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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Msg : 95 of 384
From : Karmin St.jean 1:321/309 .óá 27 .àé 95 08:57
To : Dave Whittier
Subj : LOTTERYS IN THE MAIL
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
> Does the Vulcan Neck Pinch work by email? Or by post? Get the
> picture?
> These people want you to send money all over the country on the
> promise
> that IF everyone else does it, you'll be rich. How do you "beat the
> living daylights" out of a post office box? It's not just a dumb
> idea,
> it's against the law.
Against the law? So is mail fraud. BTW, it's NOT against the law to give their
PO Box # to ALL the junk mail senders in the world. :) (heheh)
Also, NO! The VNP does NOT work by email or post. You have to FAX it. (heheh)
--- FLAME v1.1
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Msg : 96 of 384
From : Kay Shapero 1:102/524 .óá 27 .àé 95 17:38
To : Frank Glover
Subj : Re: The Lost Lines of Kirk
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On , Frank Glover (1:2613/477) wrote to Kay Shapero:
FG> ...Which are often the last two words on cockpit voice
FG>recorders before the sound of impact. I suspect the writers knew
FG>that!
So did I. Which is what made it so entertaining; one more sign of Data's
humanity.
--- msged 2.06
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Msg : 97 of 384
From : Patrick Thoms 1:229/510 .óá 27 .àé 95 19:24
To : All
Subj : what's in a name?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Can anyone tell me that name of that 3rd Highlander movie? I've seen two
different versions and am not sure which one is the real one.
Highlander: The Sorcerer
&
Highlander: The Final Dimension.
---
þ OLX 2.1 TD þ Is it Immortal, or is it a Highlander.
--- FidoPCB v1.4 [ff238/x]
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Msg : 98 of 384
From : Todd Sullivan 1:363/60 .óá 27 .àé 95 19:44
To : Jack Butler
Subj : Stuff of TP, etc
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
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JB > Quoth Todd Sullivan, "Nevermore".
JB > TS> "MacGyver in the Old West" AKA "Legend". Never watched it, but I
JB > TS> thought John DeLancie saying "Engage!" in one of the promos was a
JB > TS> hoot, along with the various "anachronisms" that made their
JB > TS> appearances, ie. that hang glider.
JB > Haven't actually seen it yet, though I have been
JB >planning to.
Just with myself, it's your own fault :)
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Msg : 99 of 384
From : Brian Stoll 1:260/801 .óá 27 .àé 95 19:47
To : Mark Jones
Subj : Re: SLIDERS SEASON FINALE
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
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You mention a couple of possible outcomes, to the sliders season finale.
Too bad none of them are even remotely going to happen since they
cancelled it. Oh well, we will just have to find another show to enjoy
and watch it go away too.
Brian
... I used up all my sick days, so I'm calling in dead!!!
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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Msg : 100 of 384
From : Todd Sullivan 1:363/60 .óá 27 .àé 95 19:51
To : Joel Jessup
Subj : SeaQuest DSV 5/21/95
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.41/g 10118
* In a message originally to Arsenal, Joel Jessup said:
JJ > A> Lucus,Darwin is What his name(blank) are on a raft
JJ >Dagwood's the name
JJ > A> I heard from the ups that some of the crew won't be returning.
JJ > A> heard that Bridger is being reasigned and only
JJ > A> returning once in a while..
JJ > A> anyone heard any thing to the truth?
JJ >I haven't heard, but will post if I do...
LAst word was that SeaQuest's been renewed, but nothing more. They're going to
have to top (and explain how EVERYone survives :) ) the cliffhanger they gave
us.
On the bright side, there's plenty of opportunity to catch what we missed this
season.
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Msg : 101 of 384
From : Todd Sullivan 1:363/60 .óá 27 .àé 95 19:58
To : Frank Eva
Subj : B5 COMIC
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.41/g 10118
* In a message originally to All, Frank Eva said:
FE >According to the letters column in issue #5, DC Comics will
FE >be rotating
FE >teams of artists/writers. So, even though the current look
FE >has improved,
FE >there is no guarantee this same team will continue to
FE >produce the B5
FE >comic...
It seems (from similar changes at Marvel) that they're rotating the teams to
keep them from burning out, and to get a fresh look, ala' the long run John
Byrne had on Superman, Batman, and Marvel's X-Men and Avengers. A different
look can do wonders, and saves the pencillers and inkers and writers from the
loony bin.
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Msg : 102 of 384
From : Todd Sullivan 1:363/60 .óá 27 .àé 95 20:03
To : Frank Eva
Subj : BEST SF
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.41/g 10118
* In a message originally to Scott Gates, Frank Eva said:
FE >SG "FE=> Read Harlan Ellison's comments in the latest
FE >issue of
FE >SG "FE=>Sci-Fi Universe for his views on Star Trek (not that
FE >he is the
FE >SG "FE=>only authority who really counts, mind you...) They
FE >are truly
FE >SG "FE=>eye-opening! Even though he is a 'conceptual
FE >consultant' on B5,
FE >SG "FE=>he has some complaints about that show, too!
FE >SG "Harlan's problem with B5 is he doesn't get his way 110%
FE >of the time.
FE >SG "(the extra 10% comes when he does get his way, was
FE >wrong, and will
FE >SG "blame someone else.
FE >He did sound like a whiny baby in the SFU interview...
Harlan's been that way before all of us made our collective debut. I find his
general behavior amusing (looking at a child, I suppose), but he makes some good
points, especially if you've read "The Glass Teat" and "The Other Glass Teat".
Hmmmm, now there's an idea: A B-5 version of TGT. I wonder how long that would
last...
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Msg : 103 of 384
From : Todd Sullivan 1:363/60 .óá 27 .àé 95 20:06
To : Rumble
Subj : SeaQuest
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.41/g 10118
* In a message originally to John Kahane, Rumble said:
RR >Piccalo is obiously seaQuest's Quark. I think he's
RR >hilarious. I wonder waht the plots will be like next year. I
RR >think they need a mix. Some science plots to keep the scince
RR >fiction aspect up and some fantasy/action plots to keep
RR >another part of the audience. You have to admit that
RR >seaQuest has more action than any other sci-fi show.
Mostly because SQ is postulating that even though we might actually get a world
gov't that everyone accepts, it can't control everything, ie. the outlaw
whalers, that sleazeball general and his buddy that put Brody's mom on ice, etc.
Sorta like the US and its problems with its various agencies.
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Msg : 104 of 384
From : Todd Sullivan 1:363/60 .óá 27 .àé 95 20:07
To : Rumble
Subj : EARTH 2/SO LONG
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
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* In a message originally to Robert Lidgren, Rumble said:
RR >didint you hear? seaQuest was moved to wednsdays at eight.
RR >Besides 90210 ll the networks pulled their "powerhouse"
RR >shows from that time slot. They must be afraid of seaQuest
RR >or something.
More likely they don't want to kill NBC's chances of having a time slot of its
own.....Sorry, lost my mind for a second. :)
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Msg : 105 of 384
From : Todd Sullivan 1:363/60 .óá 27 .àé 95 20:11
To : Rumble
Subj : Re: SeaQuest Survives
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.41/g 10118
* In a message originally to Steven Wesen, Rumble said:
RR >Remeber the explosion on the alien ship was in the middle.
RR >They were on the outside, so they may survive. I know that
RR >some of them are goind to plus the seaQuest can reapare a
RR >hole in itself. It has bioginetic skin or something.
Perhaps, but that "hole" was half SeaQuest's beam across. You might be right,
but SQ's going to need one hell of a rebuild...just similar enough to when they
scuttled SQ #1 to get your attention.
Kinda makes you wonder how they'll permanently kill her. Overload the reastors
and set off the nukes? No, that's been done THIS season...or will be in the
next's finale.
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Msg : 106 of 384
From : Todd Sullivan 1:363/60 .óá 27 .àé 95 20:14
To : Jeff Kovach
Subj : Sliders Continuity
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.41/g 10118
* In a message originally to Jack Butler, Jeff Kovach said:
JK >On 20 May 95 05:56:01 Jack Butler wrote...
JK >JB> Heard the word through Entertainment Weekly's show. Sliders has
JK >JB> been picked up for next season, and Jerry O'Connell is *still* going
JK >JB> to be a regular. So yes, Quinn gets shot, but no, Quinn doesn't
JK >JB> die.
JK >To which Jeff Kovach replies...
JK >Seeing that FOX announced that they cancelled the show, is
JK >it possible that
JK >someone else picked it up or that it might go into
JK >syndication?
Syndication? Not likely, as it has to run for 3 years (I think) before any show
can be syndicated.
Before you mention it, ST:TNG _was_ released in syndication, but that was after
20 years of re-runs, which were in syndication, and Roddenberry's reputation,
which was still solid after the aforementioned 20 yrs.
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Msg : 107 of 384
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .óá 27 .àé 95 21:49
To : ALL
Subj : SLIDERS KILLED TOO!!
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Earth 2 is CANCELLED. Didn't like that decsion at all. Now Sliders has been
cancelled! Two series with great promis have been zapped while SeaQuest DSV
has been retained. Evil demons just might exist based on the facts above.
Hey, by the way, do letters from fans make ANY DIFFERENCE AT ALL at this point
in time??? I'd be interested in input from ANYONE on this.
I wonder if Babylon 5, ST Voyager, ST Deep Space 9 and X-Files will now be
cancelled too so the networks can bring back "Lost in Space: The 90's
edition": AAARRRRGhhhhhhhh!!!
Is there any GOOD NEWS out there???
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Msg : 108 of 384
From : Myranya Werlemann 2:283/1701 .òp 30 .àé 95 08:37
To : Jack Butler
Subj : Directorial Trademarks
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-=> Quoting Jack Butler to Myranya Werlemann <=-
MW> I can see how you can include 'See you next Wednesday' in a movie,
MW> but "Klaatu Beratis Nikto"??? What movie(s) is that from???
MW> I'm not that good when it comes to who directs what...
JB> Its originally a line from "The Day The Earth Stood Still".
JB> (It's the command given to Gort the robot.)
Doesn't 'directorial trademark' means it's included in all the movies
from that director, though? How in the big wide world is he gonna
put that line in all the movies???? I mean, the numbers, okay. 'See
you next Wednesday', harder, but it'll work. "K. B. N." -?!? Or
does he have the robot as a directorial trademark, too?
Greetx,
Myranya.
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Msg : 109 of 384
From : VINCENT MCCONNELL 1:2601/574 .óá 20 .àé 95 07:15
To : PATRICK THOMS
Subj : Re: what's in a name?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-=> Quoting Patrick Thoms to All <=-
PT> Can anyone tell me that name of that 3rd Highlander movie? I've seen
PT> two different versions and am not sure which one is the real one.
PT> Highlander: The Sorcerer
PT> &
PT> Highlander: The Final Dimension.
In the States it's the latter, elsewhere, the former.
... "Could you continue your petty bickering? I find it most intriguing."
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Msg : 110 of 384
From : Brian Henderson 1:207/241 .óá 20 .àé 95 15:32
To : Richard Yamagata
Subj : B5 Ripoff: Ds9
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Richard Yamagata wrote about B5 Ripoff: Ds9
RY> I usually only quote 5 lines per post, but this needed setting up.
RY> In defense of Robyn, I have to agree with her about B5. It does
RY> take an investment of time to follow it and the plotlines do not end
RY> neatly.
I'm not saying that Robyn was wrong. I said that B5 *WAS* an investment of
time and that is what I like about it. The plotlines *WILL* end neatly at the
end of the series, I assume, but you do have to spend some time thinking about
the show. That is one of it's best qualities.
You said at the end that "unfortunately, B5 is not like Star Trek". There is
nothing unfortunate about it. It is not supposed to be like Star Trek, and if
it was, I certainly wouldn't watch it.
... "Babylon 5 was a dream given form..." B5
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Msg : 111 of 384
From : Brian Henderson 1:207/241 .óá 20 .àé 95 15:36
To : Frank Swarbrick
Subj : B5 Ripoff: Ds9
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Frank Swarbrick wrote about B5 Ripoff: Ds9
FS> Actually, the Shadow attack on the Narn vessel in the openning
FS> credits is from "Revelations," the second episode of the second
FS> season.
You're right. Whoops.
... "This is starting to sound like a really BAD Trek episode."
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Msg : 112 of 384
From : Brian Henderson 1:207/241 .óá 20 .àé 95 15:37
To : Richard Yamagata
Subj : B5 Vs St
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Richard Yamagata wrote about B5 Vs St
RY> Brian, you have really hit the nail on the head. I just kept
RY> watching IN THE SHADOW OF Z'HA DUM over and over trying to get more
RY> out of it. Watching the coming attraction for the next episode,
RY> KNIVES, it just forces you to watch the next episode to find out if
RY> there was a price for the actions Sheridan took in the present
RY> episode!
Absolutely. I think I've seen most of the heavy arc episodes at least 5-6
times now. You just have to keep going back and picking up the clues in light
of new information. My next episode will be "Deathwalker" to try to piece
together the Kosh/Talia angle.
RY> Another astute observation, the world of "downunder" is so
RY> un-Utopian and so realistic -- that is part of the magic of B5!!!
B5 *HAS* magic. It makes you look forward to the next episode. I can't say
that in all the years I watched Star Trek, even TOS, I ever cared what
happened the next week, simply because it was so disjointed from the action of
this week. So what? B5 is a show that appeals to fans of written sci-fi.
Star Trek, apparently, is for those who have very short attention spans and
the inability to commit to a long-term relationship, at least in entertainment
terms.
... A bad episode of B5 is better than ANY TNG/DSN episode!
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Msg : 113 of 384
From : Brian Henderson 1:207/241 .óá 20 .àé 95 15:41
To : Frank Eva
Subj : Old Vs New
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Frank Eva wrote about Old Vs New
FE> I wish I could be like you... I recently watched an episode of UFO
FE> (the series by Gerry Anderson that he did right before Space 1999)
FE> on the Sci-Fi Channel, and it was so dated, I just thought it was
FE> stupid...
But I *LIKE* stupid movies as well as the old 30s serials. In fact, I have
dozens of them on tape... Buck Rogers, Flash Gordon, Radar Men on the Moon,
etc. It's an acquired taste, certainly, but one worth cultivating IMO.
... "I though you said your dog didn't bite." "That's *not* MY dog!"
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Msg : 114 of 384
From : VINCENT MCCONNELL 1:2601/574 .óá 20 .àé 95 21:53
To : ALL
Subj : Sliders
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
I really wish the execs/writers at SLIDERS would start reconsidering their
plots and tackling some of the more interesting aspects of world-hopping.
They have one of the biggest potentials of any show to date, but they've
been wasting it (for the most part) on very trivial and minute things.
I like the show. But it could do so much more. The pilot, "Woman World",
and the Finale are the only three that really come close to how great the
show could be. "Hippie World", "Slider is Elvis World", etc, may be mildly
entertaining, but mildly entertaining shows don't last a long time on the
most part. The ones that survive are usually the memorable ones...
... AD&D Lesson #126 - Don't play fetch the stick with Cerebus.
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Msg : 115 of 384
From : VINCENT MCCONNELL 1:2601/574 .cê 21 .àé 95 13:42
To : TONY LIMBERT
Subj : X-FILES = GENESIS?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
--+:Tony Limbert spake thusly:+-
TL> Ok gang! We all saw Friday's episode.... sooooooo
TL> Does anyone else here smell GENESIS by W. A. HARBINSON?
TL> Smallpox Vaccination... hmmm.....
TL>
TL> TL
TL> [ Can you say entered another car? Buried himself under the bodies? ]
Yeah, it wasn't much of a cliffhanger as season finales go, but nevertheless
was a good episode. I also enjoyed the trailer, "Secrets of the X-Files".
... My other vehicle is a Super Star Destroyer.
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Msg : 116 of 384
From : Pramod Korathota 3:712/505 .pä 24 .àé 95 17:48
To : Rumble
Subj : The New Sq Series..
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Yello Rumble,
On the 18-5, Rumble rumbled something like this :)
RR> seaQuest is in BIG TROUBLE. But it has been renewed
RR> again. It will air on Wendsays here.
Well, let's all hope that SeaQuest will pull it itself o
ut of trouble.
Have u seen the new series (the 3rd one) yet? How waz it??
Who were the cast, like how many of the old cast is still around?
Have they thrown Bridger out and made Lucus Captain?? The way the
shows been going, it sure lookes like it eh?
And hows the boat doing?? Is it bigger and badder? Does the
interior look any different, and how waz the scripts??
A lotta questions, I know :). But I'm like dying to know..
BTW, you might have noticed that I really don't like the producers
attempts to make SeaQuest like 90210, or Melrose Place etc?? Well
I'd like to say that I *REALLY* don't want it to be that way.. Anyway,
to the point...would you be suprised if I said that I am 17, no joke!
What I mean is, most of my friends from my fav BBS (who r about my
age) also do not want SeaQuest to become like 90210.. What everyone
really seems to want is proper sci-fi, don't the producers get that??
BTW, who are your favourite authors?? I like Raymod E Fiest, David
Eddings, Isaac Asimov, A C Clarke, Robert Jordan etc... :)
bye 4 now,
pramod...
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Msg : 117 of 384
From : Dexter Fernandez 1:203/1701 .åò 25 .àé 95 04:20
To : John Kahane
Subj : Re: SLIDERS
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
"So, Kahane, we meet for the first time for the last time!"
JK> While this is true, there's been little word on this. JMS
JK> recently said that they pitched the next season and other stuff to the
JK> PTEN folks, and will hear about renewal by the end of May.
I just read in the Sacramento Bee that they killed Sliders....:(
Ah, well..it was fun while it lasted...
Curzon Dex
EchoSliderVolehunter
Moderator, Terok Nor Echo
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Msg : 118 of 384
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .ÿò 26 .àé 95 06:36
To : Myra I Fox
Subj : Highlander Scedule
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Quoth Myra I Fox, "Nevermore".
MIF> Oh, I didn't know she was definitely gone... I figured that she would
MIF> come back into the storyline later... oh, well .
It is beginning to look like she may actually show up for an episode
or two in the fourth season.
BTW, the premiere of the 4th season is being directed by Adrian Paul,
and will feature several scenes which were filmed in Scotland.
MIF> I look forward to seeing Methos again, he was quite interesting but
MIF> he disappeared right after we "met" him.
He'll be back, at the very least for the finale of season 3.
Jack Butler
Highlander Guru
... "It's about coincidence." -- Richie Ryan
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Msg : 119 of 384
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .ÿò 26 .àé 95 06:40
To : Myra I Fox
Subj : X-Files Finale
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Quoth Myra I Fox, "Nevermore".
MIF> And if you are interested in way out conspiracy theories he now
MIF> moderates the MufoNet CONSPIRACY echo.
ROFL! Thanks, Myra, but no thanks. I got enough to worry about with
the "real world" conspiracies (i.e., the Religious Reich and their hidden
agenda) to get involved in the really strange stuff...
MIF> I *liked* him. And did you notice he seemed as surprised as
MIF> everyone else that there was Mulder wasn't in the boxcar?
Yeah. Makes my theory even more plausible.
MIF> I think she is open to finding the truth both for Mulder's
MIF> sake and because she wants to know why her name is in that
MIF> file.
This might be it.
MIF> Why didn't that hacker take a few minutes and start his
MIF> computer downloading that file to different bbs's? He could
MIF> have started that going automatically and he still could
MIF> have been out of there with his copy. And just what *did*
MIF> happen to him? Did they mention and maybe I missed it?
Yeah, they mentioned it. Cancer man said "the young man who stole it"
meaning the file "has come forward." The Hacker apparently told "Them"
(whoever *they* are...) that he gave the files to Mulder... and I don't
get the feeling that he told "Them" willingly...
JB> PS I think I know how Mulder got out of the buried refrigeration
JB> car.
MIF> I would love to hear your theory.... more than one boxcar
MIF> connected to that one? he's buried under the bodies? he
MIF> got beamed up to the mother ship?
Heh. I'm keeping mum (don't want to look like a fool if I turn out to
be off-base), but you are close...
Jack Butler
... "Unless there was a neon sign saying `dig here'." -- Mulder
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Msg : 120 of 384
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .ÿò 26 .àé 95 06:44
To : Chris Carter
Subj : Kosh's Karaoke machine
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Quoth Chris Carter, "Nevermore".
CC> Garibaldi, wearing civvies, is followed closely by Ambassador Kosh
CC> and Lennier into Babylon 5's baseball park.
<...>
CC> Sheridan, looking perplexed, asks the computer to initiate batting
CC> practice.
You sick, sick little monkey.
Jack Butler
... "Don't be so happy to see me." -- Quark
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Msg : 121 of 384
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .ÿò 26 .àé 95 06:48
To : John Kahane
Subj : Confessions et. al.
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
The rat-bastards who run WOFL, FOX 35 decided that Confessions and
Lamentations was just a bit too intense, so they re-ran Knives instead. Do
me a favor, if you will, and netmail me as detailed a synopsis of that
episode as you can, please...
God, I hate censors...
Jack Butler
... "Blood calls out for blood." -- Londo Molari
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Msg : 122 of 384
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .ÿò 26 .àé 95 08:08
To : Starwolf
Subj : ST: Voyager
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.42.b9 8060
S "But I'm getting disenchanted with that universe. It is really
S "getting sloppy and badly written. In an earlier episode, Janeway
S "warned the race of monumentally ugly phage victims to lay off her
S "crew. So, what happens? They are at it again a couple of weeks ago.
S "What does she do? Nothing, beyond grabbing her people and
S "hightailing it out of there.
I'm getting more and more disenchanted with STV, too, but not for the
same reasons. I simply found the last few episodes to be rehashes of
previous stories, like "Faces", which is a blatant rehash of the ST:TOS
episode "The Enemy Within". "Jetrell" was so dull and boring, it
reminded me of a public service announcement. Finally, bloated
technobabble in "Learning Curve" was countered with totally predictable
cadet indoctrination. These writers really need the summer off! :-)
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Msg : 123 of 384
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .ÿò 26 .àé 95 08:08
To : Frank Swarbrick
Subj : B5 TALK
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.42.b9 8060
FS "he's not in every episode, but than neither should Mira Furlan
FS "(Delenn). In fact, she's probably my least favorite character.
She used to be one of my favorites, before she underwent the "change"...
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Msg : 124 of 384
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .ÿò 26 .àé 95 08:08
To : Robert Lidgren
Subj : White Dwarf
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.42.b9 8060
RL "Okay, Francis Ford Coppola's name is an instant draw for me. Now I
RL "see that a TV Movie called White Dwarf is on its way. So far I've
RL "only been able to glean
RL "tidbits about the film from the promos. Has anyone else come across
RL "any further information they might share here??
Yeah, it was very difficult to follow, and kind of boring... He should
change his name to Crappola... :-)
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Msg : 125 of 384
From : VINCENT MCCONNELL 1:2601/574 .ÿò 26 .àé 95 12:11
To : JEFF KOVACH
Subj : Sliders Continuity
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
--+:Jeff Kovach spake thusly:+-
JK> Seeing that FOX announced that they cancelled the show, is it possible
JK> that someone else picked it up or that it might go into syndication?
When'd they announce this and where?
... "Bother," said Pooh, as all the women sniffed.
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Msg : 126 of 384
From : Karmin St.Jean 1:321/325 .ÿò 26 .àé 95 17:25
To : Dave Whittier
Subj : Lotterys In The Mail
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Well, actually, you have to give the Vulcan Neck Pinch over a fax
machine. Beating the living daylights out of a post office box
(especially someone else's) is illegal, however it is not against the
law to give someone's post office box number to all the junk mail
senders in the world!
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Msg : 127 of 384
From : Starwolf 1:163/214 .ÿò 26 .àé 95 19:24
To : Demian Katz
Subj : Re: Earth 2/So Long
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
DK>Earth 2 will be missed... It's my second favorite sci-fi show ever,
That it had potential, there was no doubt. But it went to the other
extreme from the usual "cosmic events resolved in one, fourty-five
minute episode" and dragged things out waayy to long. It would have
made a terrific two-part film, two hours each, but a whole season of
this drawn-out story ... no.
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Msg : 128 of 384
From : Starwolf 1:163/214 .ÿò 26 .àé 95 19:30
To : Denis Lamy
Subj : Purpose of ST-DSN & ST-V
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
DL>But when ST-DSN and ST-V start, we only get some kind of elevator music,
DL>no message, no word, nothing.
What would you say? As far as DEEP-SIXED NINE is concerned, they're
just a customs shed for the Wormhole. Kinda hard to give it a noble
sense of purpose. And for VOYAGER, you'd have the problem of telling
the story, without making it sound like LOST IN SPACE all over again.
Which, come to think of it, it is.
DL> * VbReader 2.22 #67 * Tact: decrire les autres comme il se voit eux-meme.
Bien dit!
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Msg : 129 of 384
From : Skip Shayotovich 1:161/42 .ÿò 26 .àé 95 20:22
To : Jeff Kovach
Subj : SLIDERS SEASON FINALE
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
= A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, Jeff said: =
JK> Or the idiots could cancel the show, like I read in this morning's
JK> paper.
That's what I read too... cancelled, but not dead. It MIGHT show
up as a mid-season replacement. For PARTY OF FIVE no doubt (one could
only hope).
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Msg : 130 of 384
From : Skip Shayotovich 1:161/42 .ÿò 26 .àé 95 20:23
To : Jack Butler
Subj : SLIDERS-LUCK OF THE DRAW
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
= A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, Jack said: =
FS> Question is now, will it be picked up in the fall?
JB> So far, all indications are good.
Oh ya? Where did you read this, cause I read in my newspaper
that it, along with VR5, had been canceled. It wasn't dead though...
it MIGHT show up a mid-season replacement.
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Msg : 131 of 384
From : Starwolf 1:163/214 .óá 27 .àé 95 00:37
To : Chris Carter
Subj : B5 Baseball
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
CC>Garibaldi, wearing civvies, is followed closely by Ambassador Kosh
CC>and Lennier into Babylon 5's baseball park.
I wondered about that. In the opening film, you've got the captain
commenting to Deleen that it was real tricky, what with the huge space
needed for life support and other essential functions, to have this
teeny, tiny space set aside for a Zen garden.
But they had the room to spare for a baseball diamond???
Must have been written by a baseball fan.
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Msg : 132 of 384
From : VINCENT MCCONNELL 1:2601/574 .óá 27 .àé 95 01:38
To : MARK JONES
Subj : Star Wars
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
--+:Mark Jones spake thusly:+-
First off, I have yet to see any official quotes from Lucas/Lucasfilm/Lucasart
saying any other date but 97 for the remakes of the old movies and "soon
thereafter" for 1-3. This discussion is based on rumor and fan speculation
which turned into "good sources" about the new movies, and has been going
on for years now. Lucas/Film/Arts has released several statements actually
confirming this one.
MJ> ...because he's out of ideas. He has no clue what to do next, and
MJ> is "vamping" desperately, hoping to come up with something. (People
MJ> have been hearing this "any day now" stuff for nearly twenty years.
MJ> It would be embarrassing to admit that the well is dry.)
If Lucas were out of ideas he would get someone to write them for him. It's
that simple. He has NOT been delaying these films, because there have
been no official releases before the 1998 one. And the fact remains that
if he were out of ideas... someone else would write them.
MJ> ...because he doesn't *want* to do it, but can't find a way to
MJ> gracefully back out of it. (People have been hearing this "any day
MJ> now" stuff for nearly twenty years. It would be embarrassing to admit
MJ> that he just doesn't want to do it.)
If he didn't want to do them he would not. People have been hearing BS
for years now, and until it was confirmed they never actually *expected*
anything. If he didn't want to do them it would have been oh-so-easy
to have done just that.
MJ> ...because keeping the hope alive helps fan the flames, selling
MJ> videos, toys, games and whatnot to all the fans who continue to slaver
MJ> for more; i.e., pure cynical profiteering.
The SW re-hype has been doing well enough without hope of a new movie in
1998/99. The fact is, not many read SW Insider, and the merchandise
is just appealing in itself to a crowd.
... "Mia ayende, Aes Sedai" - Mat Cauthon
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Msg : 133 of 384
From : Pamela Crossett 1:325/118 .óá 27 .àé 95 01:51
To : Jack Butler
Subj : Highlander
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
JB> All the information I have says she is gone like Banquo.
God I hate to sound illiterate, but then I hated almost all of
Shakespeare's tragedies. So just how did Banquo disappear?
JB> I don't know about you, but every rushed relationship I have ever
JB> been party to falls apart fairly quickly.
Well, perhaps I am extremely unusual but I rushed into my only two
relationships - and the first lasted over 2 1/2 years and the second is
still going on, almost 7 years now.
Of course, I will admit that the majority of "rushed relationships" do
seem to bite the dust, as statistics bear out. But statistics are only
numbers, and by their very nature they indicate that if 90% fail, then 10%
DON'T - or if they average only 3 or 4 months, then for everyone that last
one night, there are those that last 4 or 5 years.
About how long, chronologically, would you estimate Duncan and Anne's went
on (for it's abysmally short period) anyway?
JB> talks with Sheena Easton have broken down for the forseeable future.
Well, she will be an asset when and if they get her.
JB> As for Peter Wingfield (the gentleman who played Methos) he will be
JB> back in the season Finale, and again next season in a kind of "Obi
JB> Wan Kenobi" role.
I will look forward to both. He was great.
Was he ever in the series before this season's two-parter?
JB> Speaking of, next season is Season Four, the last year of the
JB> contract. Whether or not there will be a season five is still up in
JB> the air.
What is "the contract" - Fox's contract w/Adrian Paul, the owners of the
Highlander concepts contract w/Fox?? What?
JB> Also, there are supposedly "big changes" in store for the show.
Come on - give me a hint.
Actually, give me more than a hint. I want all the details. I want it all.
Can you arrange that?
Now, I just read this is one of your postings to someone else:
JB> Not only will Richie be back next season, but so will Methos and
JB> Amanda.
Well, obviously, then the "big changes will not be Ritchie's demise. So
What are they?
JB> I cannot wait for the finale. The final fight with Kallas was
JB> filmed on the *real* Eiffel Tower. I wonder how they turned that
JB> little trick...
Once again you have more insider information. And you didn't explain how
you get it. Now if you want to keep your source a secret, fine. I'll try
to stop asking.
But don't stop talking to me.
I really appreciate all your input.
Pam
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Msg : 134 of 384
From : Tammy Blandino 1:106/7315 .óá 27 .àé 95 02:44
To : Andrew Clarke
Subj : Re: Enterprise
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
While skinny dipping Andrew Clarke was talking to Kay Shapero
about Re: Enterprise.
JH> I think that's it, unless you want to go into the whole
JH>_how do
JH> people avoid walking into the holo-deck wall again?_ thing,
KS> Hmm... maybe they DON'T avoid walking into the holo-deck
KS> wall... and that explains most of the rest of your
KS> questions... :->
AC> I've always figured that the floor moved under them so they could go
AC> as far as they wanted. If anyone with a Tech manual is reading
AC> this...help us out.
AC> Andrew Clarke
A friend of mine once said that the holodeck would have worked better
as sphere instead of a box. The sphere would turn as you walked giving
the illusion of moving while staying in the same place.
... Long live Middle-age Mutant Ninja SysOps!
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Msg : 135 of 384
From : Tammy Blandino 1:106/7315 .óá 27 .àé 95 02:47
To : James Walton
Subj : Re: Directorial Trademarks
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
While skinny dipping James Walton was talking to Jack Butler about
Re: Directorial Trademarks.
JW> You were speaking about the "Clone Wars" from Star Wars when you
JW> said:
> Palpatine to overthrow the Old Republic. I'm not sure who the
> sides were (except that the phrases "Lords of Sith" have been associated
> with them), but
JW>
JW> From what I have read, there can be only one "Dark Lord of the Sith"
JW> at a time. During the three Star Wars movies this position was held
JW> by Darth Vader. (If I remember correctly, in the Star Wars
JW> novelization that came out 2 years before the first movie, Vader was
JW> addressed as "My Dark Lord Vader of the Sith.")
You know I would dearly like to see the source for this information.
Unfortunately I don't have my copy of the books where I can grab them,
but I seem to remember something somewhere about "Sith Lords", describing
them as existing at the same time.
Please let us know WHERE you read this information.
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Msg : 136 of 384
From : Tammy Blandino 1:106/7315 .óá 27 .àé 95 02:52
To : Colin Dijkgraaf
Subj : Coen
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
While skinny dipping Colin Dijkgraaf was talking to Marco Catalano
about Re: Can you hear me (#4).
MC> Please forgive my curiousity, Colin, but are you or one of your
MC> parents Dutch? Your family-name, "Dijkgraaf", is a typical Dutch name.
CD> Not just one parent, both parents, and I'm Dutch also, although I
CD> wasn't born in the Netherlands but Suriname. I did live in the
CD> Netherlands for five years and have been back for a visit in 1990.
CD> And just to clarify Colin isn't the name that is on my birth
CD> certificate it is Coen, but since that can be a deragatory term in
CD> English I was advised by Imegration to change it.
I find that interesting because I can't think of any derogatory term
that they might have been thinking about in regards to the name. Perhaps
I am pronouncing it wrong. How do you pronounce it?
Frankly I think (in regards to names) that imigration has its head up
its collective arse.
... I told her to expect you to deny everything. -- Calvin
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Msg : 137 of 384
From : Tammy Blandino 1:106/7315 .óá 27 .àé 95 03:23
To : Michelle Willey
Subj : RE: VOYAGER NOSE DIVING?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
While skinny dipping Michelle Willey was talking to Frank Eva about
RE: VOYAGER NOSE DIVING?.
MW> On 17 May 95 07:36am, FRANK EVA wrote to ALL:
FE> Is it just me, or does it seem like ST:Voyager is already seeming a bit
FE> worn out? Doesn't it seem like ST:V is going "where everyone has gone
FE> already"? Looks like Neelix is ST:V's answer to ST:TNG's Barclay... If
FE> it's medical, Neelix is the one who gets it. "Jetrell" had to be easily
FE> the most boring Star Trek episode I've ever seen. It could have been a
FE> public service announcement against the depredations of scientists and
FE> the weapons they help to create...
MW> I got to admit it doesn't bother me much if I miss an episode.
MW> However, I like the character of Neelix. He injects a bit of humor and
MW> common sense into an otherwise unexceptional show. Likewise the doctor.
MW> The stories themselves do seem to be same ole, same ole. --Mich
Aw Come on guys. It the first season, give it a break. We know the
team of Berman, Pillar, and Taylor can do some really wonderful stuff.
Give 'em a chance. Sheesh. It seems like everytime there's a new ST
everyone boohoo's it, but a few give it a chance and stick with it.
Each one of the series since TOS has gone through this experience.
If you really feel the need to bitch, write to ST at Paramount and
EXPLAIN (not gripe) what you disliked, or even liked. It would be more
constructive.
Hey, (for you B5 fans) even B5 got off to a slow start. Remember that
first season?
... "Bother" said Pooh as Kirk beamed him down in a red shirt.
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Msg : 138 of 384
From : Tammy Blandino 1:106/7315 .óá 27 .àé 95 03:37
To : Myranya Werlemann
Subj : Re: Directorial Trademarks
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
While skinny dipping Myranya Werlemann was talking to Jack Butler about
Directorial Trademarks.
-=> Quoting Jack Butler to Marco Catalano <=-
JB> Lucas's trademark is the numbers 1138. They appear in every one
JB> of his films *somehow*.
MW> [ ]
MW> That's really interesting. Do you know _why_ it's 1138?
The very first movie George Lucas *EVER* made was a science fiction movie
called _THX 1138_. Since then he uses over and over. In the novelized
version of Star Wars, The Imperial that is trying to contact the
Stormtrooper whose armor Han appropriated, That Imperial identified that
Stormtrooper as THX 1138. Of course this was changed in the movie. :)
Now, Lucas' movie empire has created the latest state of the art sound
system which they call....THX Sound.....
I've seen a few movies in auditoriums that have had THX Sound. Talk about
mindblowing! It leaves Dolby Stereo in the *DUST*!
B> Besides Hitchcock and his cameo's, and Spielberg and his falling
JB> stars, there's John Landis and the phrase "See you next Wednesday", and
JB> Sam Raimi's inclusion of "Klaatu Beratis Nikto".
MW> I can see how you can include 'See you next Wednesday' in a movie,
MW> but "Klaatu Beratis Nikto"??? What movie(s) is that from???
MW> I'm not that good when it comes to who directs what...
"Klaatu Beratis Nikto" is from _The Day The Earth Stood Still_ . That
was the phrase that stopped the giant robot from destroying everything.
I've seen it parodied in a number of movies...the most recent being
_Army of Darkness_, an absolutely hilarious spoof...from which my
tagline comes from... :)
... Good... Bad... I'm the guy with the gun! -- Ash
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Msg : 139 of 384
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .óá 27 .àé 95 04:56
To : John Kahane
Subj : B5, B9
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Quoth John Kahane, "Nevermore".
JK> Flattery won't get you anywhere with this one, Jack. But it's
JK> the truth of the matter, and you made my (unstated) point for me.
JK> They could only come up with *one* example of what we're talking
JK> about.
Yes, and they wave it in our faces like it was the Holy Grail, or the
Unified Field Theory... we ask about *fleets* of living ships, and they give
us an individual specimen. Hardly convincing...
Jack Butler
... "Must go home and kill parents." -- Mike Nelson
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Msg : 140 of 384
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .óá 27 .àé 95 04:58
To : Marc Zingarelli
Subj : Highlander Scedule
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Quoth Marc Zingarelli, "Nevermore".
MZ> Methos is always good for a few laughs. BTW I couldn't find the his
MZ> last episode on tape which means my wife must've forgot to record it.
MZ> Hard as that is to believe since she's the Highlander Goddess.
When Methos first appeared, my reaction was "Cool, a laid back
immortal. Bout damned time!"
And about your wife: remember, accidents do happen. Forgive her and
let her back in the house...
BTW, the latest word is that Annie will be returning for at least a
couple of eps in season 4.
Jack Butler
Highlander Guru
... "The boredom of my life would kill you." -- Duncan MacLeod
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Msg : 141 of 384
From : Steven Wirsz 1:377/50 .óá 27 .àé 95 09:45
To : Brian Henderson
Subj : B5 Ripoff: Ds9
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
BH****Refresh my memory. What story was TNG trying to tell? Man is obnoxious?
BH****cannot see *ANYTHING* even *RESEMBLING* a storyline in TNG, DS9 *OR* Voyag
ST:TOS - Man will survive through resourcefulness
ST:TNG - Socialist Utopias (The "enlightened" Federation) will
save the universe
ST:DS9 - ""
ST:Voy - ""
B5 - Got two or three pages to spare??
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Msg : 142 of 384
From : Steven Wirsz 1:377/50 .óá 27 .àé 95 09:48
To : John Kahane
Subj : B5 TALK
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
JK**** Aww, you noticed. :) Seriously though, that's one of the things that
JK****really annoys me about BABYLON 5. The show is definitely *not* on in prim
JK****time in the area I get it. Unless prime time has been moved to midnight!
Here and in most places I've seen it, PTEN programs definetly do come on
in prime time. Try 8:00 PM Wed - and the repeat 11:00 PM Saturday. All
you're area needs is a bit of letter writting.
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Msg : 143 of 384
From : J Hulley-Miller 1:107/330 .óá 27 .àé 95 12:25
To : All
Subj : FUBS
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Greetings All!
Is the FUB Squad still active ? tnx.
jhm@cnj.digex.net
... I love running Windows! NOT!
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Msg : 144 of 384
From : FRANK SWARBRICK 1:104/825 .óá 27 .àé 95 13:11
To : ALL
Subj : X-Files episode list
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
For your enjoyment...
The X-Files - First Season
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Ep.# Air Date PCode Episode Title
==== ========= ===== ====================================================
1. Sep 10 93 1X79 "Pilot: The X-Files"
2. Sep 17 93 1X01 "Deep Throat" The Truth Is Out There
3. Sep 24 93 1X02 "Squeeze" The Truth Is Out There
4. Oct 1 93 1X03 "Conduit" The Truth Is Out There
5. Oct 8 93 1X04 "The Jersey Devil" The Truth Is Out There
6. Oct 22 93 1X05 "Shadows" The Truth Is Out There
7. Oct 29 93 1X06 "Ghost In The Machine" The Truth Is Out There
8. Nov 5 93 1X07 "Ice" The Truth Is Out There
9. Nov 12 93 1X08 "Space" The Truth Is Out There
10. Nov 19 93 1X09 "Fallen Angel" The Truth Is Out There
11. Dec 10 93 1X10 "Eve" The Truth Is Out There
12. Dec 17 93 1X11 "Fire" The Truth Is Out There
13. Jan 7 94 1X12 "Beyond The Sea" The Truth Is Out There
14. Jan 21 94 1X13 "GenderBender" The Truth Is Out There
15. Feb 4 94 1X14 "Lazarus" The Truth Is Out There
16. Feb 11 94 1X15 "Young At Heart" The Truth Is Out There
17. Feb 18 94 1X16 "E.B.E." The Truth Is Out There
18. Mar 18 94 1X17 "Miracle Man" The Truth Is Out There
19. Apr 1 94 1X18 "Shapes" The Truth Is Out There
20. Apr 15 94 1X19 "Darkness Falls" The Truth Is Out There
21. Apr 22 94 1X20 "Tooms" The Truth Is Out There
22. Apr 29 94 1X21 "Born Again" The Truth Is Out There
23. May 6 94 1X22 "Roland" The Truth Is Out There
24. May 13 94 1X23 "The Erlenmeyer Flask" Trust No One
The X-Files - Second Season
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Ep.# Air Date PCode Episode Title
==== ========= ===== ====================================================
25. Sep 16 94 2X01 "Little Green Men" The Truth Is Out There
26. Sep 23 94 2X02 "The Host" The Truth Is Out There
27. Sep 30 94 2X03 "Blood" The Truth Is Out There
28. Oct 7 94 2X04 "Sleepless" The Truth Is Out There
29. Oct 14 94 2X05 "Duane Barry" (Part 1 of 2) The Truth Is Out There
30. Oct 21 94 2X06 "Ascension" (Part 2 of 2) Deny Everything
31. Nov 4 94 2X07 "3" The Truth Is Out There
32. Nov 11 94 2X08 "One Breath" The Truth Is Out There
33. Nov 18 94 2X09 "Firewalker" The Truth Is Out There
34. Dec 9 94 2X10 "Red Museum" The Truth Is Out There
35. Dec 16 94 2X11 "Excelsis Dei" The Truth Is Out There
36. Jan 6 95 2X12 "Aubrey" The Truth Is Out There
37. Jan 13 95 2X13 "Irresistible" The Truth Is Out There
38. Jan 27 95 2X14 "Die Hand Die Verletzt" The Truth Is Out There
39. Feb 3 95 2X15 "Fresh Bones" The Truth Is Out There
40. Feb 10 95 2X16 "Colony" (Part 1 of 2) The Truth Is Out There
41. Feb 17 95 2X17 "End Game" (Part 2 of 2) The Truth Is Out There
42. Feb 24 95 2X18 "Fearful Symmetry" The Truth Is Out There
43. Mar 10 95 2X19 "Dod Kalm" The Truth Is Out There
44. Mar 31 95 2X20 "Humbug" The Truth Is Out There
45. Apr 14 95 2X21 "The Calusari" The Truth Is Out There
46. Apr 28 95 2X22 "F. emasculata" The Truth Is Out There
47. May 5 95 2X23 "Soft Light" The Truth Is Out There
48. May 12 95 2X24 "Our Town" The Truth Is Out There
49. May 19 95 2X25 "Anasazi" Ei 'Aaniigoo 'Ahoot'e
Frank
... I Want To Believe -- The X-Files
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Msg : 145 of 384
From : Colin Dijkgraaf 3:772/1138 .óá 27 .àé 95 17:16
To : Jan Rooth
Subj : Re: Orson Scott Card
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-=> Jan Rooth spoke to Colin Dijkgraaf regarding Re: Orson Scott Card and said
JR> RE: _Earthborn_ aka _Keeper of the Earth_
JR> Yes, book five is the conclusion. You have some good reading to look
JR> forward to. I found books four and five to be the best of the
JR> series (even better than book one, which I enjoyed tremendously).
Thanks for the info, I'll look forward to obtaining my copies and reading
them.
Colin
... Okay, okay, Ender......but I want a REMATCH!!!!!
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Msg : 146 of 384
From : Chris Baugh 1:105/290.5 .óá 27 .àé 95 18:12
To : Karmin St.jean
Subj : Star Blazers
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (24 May 95) Karmin St.jean wrote to Chris Baugh...
KS> The original name of the series was Space Cruiser Yamato, but the ship was
KS> renamed the Argo in Star Blazers. There were three series created, only
KS> two of which "Quest for Iscandar" and "Battle Against the Comet Empire"
KS> were ever shown on American TV. The third series, "The Bolar Wars" is
I have no idea which one I saw, and I know I only saw a handful of
episodes many years ago - but I seem to remember some of the
Yamato's crew being stranded on a desert world, and the ship being
either repaired or equipped with new weaponry. I saw it so long
ago (and was paying so little attention at the time) that these may
not be accurate recollections.
KS> Another series, often mistakenly called "G-Force" was known as "Battle of
KS> the Planets" and was produced by Sandy Frank (that name we all keep seeing
KS> at the beginning of all the REALLY bad movies on MST3K).
I do remember enough of that one to recall that it was BAD! Of
course, I'd love to see it presented on MST.
KS> Tranzor Z is yet another anime serial that is not easy to find.
Don't think I've heard of this one before.
KS> (note, many of these may get a second chance at life this fall when the
KS> SciFi Channel introduces it's new Saturday Morning Anime lineup!)
I sure hope they include the Flash Gordon series I mentioned, as I
recall it being truly outstanding (of course, this could be more
from the patina of nostalgia).
... Hi. I'll be your tagline for this evening.
--- PPoint 1.92
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Msg : 147 of 384
From : Chris Baugh 1:105/290.5 .óá 27 .àé 95 18:15
To : Dana Zendell
Subj : Help on X-Files Finale
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (20 May 95) Dana Zendell wrote to All...
DZ> I missed the final episode of the X-Files as well as the highlights
DZ> which aired right before the show. Would anybody be willing to send me
The highlights show was a disappointment, for me at least. The
announcer sounded like the annoying "Lots of Action!" guy that does
so many movie ads, and the selection of clips left out many ideas I
would have thought important to include, while not shedding any new
light on the show, nor including anything of behind-the-scenes
interest or previews of upcoming episodes. Seems to me this may
have been put together at the last minute just to fill the time
slot.
The finale, however, was excellent - one of their best shows. I
don't have it on tape.
... thwoppa,thwoppa,thwoppa,thwoppa...........eh!
--- PPoint 1.92
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Msg : 148 of 384
From : Chris Baugh 1:105/290.5 .óá 27 .àé 95 18:22
To : Chris Carter
Subj : Vorlon Immortality
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (25 May 95) Chris Carter wrote to Todd Sullivan...
CC> A fellow on rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5 proposed that Kosh is
CC> actually a large sentient Big Mac.
More scary things for Kosh to say:
"You are not ready for the secret of the Special Sauce."
"The coffee is hot, and the lawyers are nearby."
"Would you like fries with that?"
... Screeeeech!!!Crash!!!Crunch!!Whooooosssshh!!Crackle, Crackle, Whuuummmp!
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Msg : 149 of 384
From : Rumble 1:163/436 .óá 27 .àé 95 19:51
To : Tony Trujillo
Subj : Re: SeaQuest Survives
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
She said she would take the Captaintancy job in the season finale. I remeber
because Cmdr. Ford was offered 300000 dollars a year to do it and she was
offered 400000 dollars a year, she said that it was a fact the women make better
captains of merchant ships.
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Msg : 150 of 384
From : Andrew Clarke 1:109/369 .óá 27 .àé 95 20:35
To : Barry Blaes
Subj : Re: Not SLIDERS
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-=> Quoting John Kahane to Barry Blaes <=-
JK> On , Barry Blaes wrote to Frank Swarbrick:
BB> If you or anyone else wishes to help keep the show on the
BB> air you can send via the Internet a mail message to
BB> "sliders@delphi.com".
BB> Tell them you like the show and want to see them renew the show.
How would I go about doing that if I'm not on any services like AOL or
Compuserve and don't have an Internet address?
Andrew Clarke
... Forrest Fudd: "Wife is wike a box of chocowates."
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Msg : 151 of 384
From : Steven Skaggs 1:3608/250 .óá 27 .àé 95 23:36
To : Mark Jones
Subj : Re: Star Wars
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 94-2198
-=> Quoting Mark Jones to Steven Skaggs <=-
MJ> There are several possibilities:
MJ> ...because he's out of ideas. He has no clue what to do next, and
MJ> is "vamping" desperately, hoping to come up with something. (People
MJ> have been hearing this "any day now" stuff for nearly twenty years.
MJ> It would be embarrassing to admit that the well is dry.)
No, I believe he has said what the other movies or going to be about, at
least in a general sense. He has had the basic idea for quite some time.
MJ> ...because he doesn't *want* to do it, but can't find a way to
MJ> gracefully back out of it. (People have been hearing this "any day
MJ> now" stuff for nearly twenty years. It would be embarrassing to admit
MJ> that he just doesn't want to do it.)
Lucas hasn't been saying "any day now". He has said several times over the
past several years that the first one will be out before 2000. I don't
really see why he would keep saying he is going to make new ones when he
doesn't want to.
MJ> ...because keeping the hope alive helps fan the flames, selling
MJ> videos, toys, games and whatnot to all the fans who continue to slaver
MJ> for more; i.e., pure cynical profiteering.
Yeah, he really needs the money. 0
I wonder how much he's making from ILM alone?
MJ> I don't claim that any of these is accurate--only that they *could*
MJ> be. There are plenty of reasons not to make a new trilogy, possibly
MJ> more reasons than there are to do it.
MJ> Consider:
MJ> Lucas has got to have more money than he can every spend; Star Wars
MJ> was HUGE. Not to mention a few little projects like Indiana Jones
MJ> that didn't do badly either. He simply isn't *hungry*.
MJ> Also, everyone will be expecting the new trilogy to be at least as
MJ> big as the original films. That's a huge cross to bear. If it
MJ> doesn't turn into a gold mine, he'll be seen to have failed (Hollywood
MJ> has a very short memory).
MJ> If it isn't as mind-blowingly novel as the first film was (and I
MJ> don't think it *can* be), again he'll be seen as having failed.
MJ> So...he has a lot to lose (losing money and getting panned hurts
MJ> even if you can live on the profits from the earlier films for the
MJ> rest of your life) if it doesn't all go perfectly. And it almost
MJ> certainly won't go perfectly.
Maybe there are more reasons not to make a new trilogy then there is to make
one. But that doesn't explain why he keeps saying that he will make another
one. George Lucas is set for life as far as money is concerned. Star Wars
will always be remembered and I don't see how George Lucas would ever be
considered a failure. Sequels are rarely as good as the originals but Empire
Strikes back and Return of the Jedi were sequels and both were very good
(at least I think so) and all did extremely well. Same goes for the
Indiana Jones movies.
... To err is human, to forgive is against company policy
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Msg : 152 of 384
From : Michael Vergara 1:2605/631 .cê 28 .àé 95 00:10
To : Frank Swarbrick
Subj : Sliders & VR.5 cancelled!
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: GE 1.11+
[FRANK SWARBRICK ¨ Sliders & VR.5 cancelled!]
FS> Of course, we do get the new show Space. Hope that one works out.
What is it about? I've heard is it's about a bunch of military cadets who get
stuck right in the middle of a big war.
FS> Saw White Dwarf last night. So so, but I doubt it will become a
FS> series.
I agree. It was interesting (only because it was strange), but it didn't really
hold my attention (I kept channel surfing during the show). I do wish that VR.5
wasn't cancelled -- as for Sliders, I knew a lot of people in my area that it.
I thought that would be a show which would have lasted at least another season.
MikeyV
... I was born in the log cabin I helped my father build.
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Msg : 153 of 384
From : Bryan Browder 1:147/61 .cê 28 .àé 95 00:40
To : Gary Warren
Subj : Re: Sliders
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
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GW> As I've said before, both VR5 and SLIDERS are long gone, as of early
GW> this week.
That's too bad. Sliders is simply a fun show.
BB
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Msg : 154 of 384
From : Bryan Browder 1:147/61 .cê 28 .àé 95 00:49
To : David Johnston
Subj : Voyager Nose Diving?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
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DJ> Essentially this means that we have three mature starship officers
DJ> and four young adult starship officers. I don't see the problem.
DJ> The original crew was every bit as "young". Only if you are using
DJ> a Picard median would Voyager's crew be described as barely post
DJ> puberty.
No crew is like the next ( or previous ). Comparing one crew to another is
like comparing green and red apples. Each has its pro and con but neither one is
particularly 'bad'.
BB
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Msg : 155 of 384
From : Chris Carter 1:105/302.23 .cê 28 .àé 95 01:32
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : Vorlon Immortality
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
JH> An _unused_ scene? You mean you've gotten hold of a
JH> "director's cut", or just a scene that hasn't had any
JH> reference made to it since?
Hot off the 'Lost Scenes' webpage at Hyperion, here's a cut that
didn't make final edit of the B5 pilot, "The Gathering."
[begin text import]
The following scene is excerpted from the script for "The
Gathering." It was filmed, but was eliminated from the final cut due
to time restraints. Earlier in the story, Dr. Benjamin Kyle has
had...an encounter with what is inside the Vorlon's encounter suit.
INT. MEDLAB
where Laurel and Kyle look through the glass at Kosh.
LAUREL
So, Doctor...just what *did* you see
when you looked inside that suit?
KYLE
(a long beat, then:)
There are moments in your life when
everything crystallizes. When the
whole world reshapes itself, right
down to its component molecules, and
everything changes.
(beat)
I've looked upon the face of a
Vorlon, Laurel...and nothing's the
same anymore.
And, his thoughts distant, Kyle moves off, leaving Laurel
to peer through the mist at the shrouded figure within the
isolab, and wonder....
[end text import]
Not exactly *revealing*, but at the very least, we know that folks
who see Kosh don't come away from the experience unchanged.
Chris - carter@teleport.com
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Msg : 156 of 384
From : Mark Jones 1:105/302.47 .cê 28 .àé 95 02:47
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : ST: The Next Generation
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (24 May 95) Jeff Hancock wrote to Mark Jones...
MJ> uses it to rewrite every cell in her body so that a week later
MJ> (by the next episode) she is back to square one (and completely
MJ> unaffected [.....] (And if they can do *that* to her, why the
MJ> hell couldn't they recreate Neelix's lungs?)
JH>
JH> Because they didn't have a week before Neelix would have died?
BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZT!!!
Wrong--but thanks for playing!
Neelix was perfectly capable of living for an indefinite period while
in that stasis field, with the holo-lungs doing his breathing for him.
They had *plenty* of time to clone up some new ones. (And a good,
old-fashioned "heart-lung machine" -- as seen in real-world hospitals
all over the USA today -- could have kept him alive when they switched
off the holo-lungs to install the real ones....)
... The meaning of your communication is the response you get....
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Msg : 157 of 384
From : Mark Jones 1:105/302.47 .cê 28 .àé 95 02:51
To : David Johnston
Subj : Sliders - Bathroom? Wash
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (25 May 95) David Johnston wrote to Scott Gates...
DJ> -> The energy requirements are too large to replicate large
DJ> -> objects, instead, they replicate component parts then let
DJ> -> humans assemble them.
DJ>
DJ> Um...the energy requirements in order to replicate a large object are
DJ> identical to those required to replicate all of it's components, no
DJ> matter how the replicators work.
True enough--but not the whole story. (I agree that the "we can't
replicate really *big* things argument is an excuse for not making
full use of the technology, but....)
My modem is capable of transmitting as much data as anyone else's--but
only at 2400 baud (yes, I'm using stone-age technology here).
It might take as much *total* energy to replicate an entire engine
block as to replicate the parts--but that's irrelevant if they can't
produce all the energy needed in one burst.
... If you're done speaking freely, please step into the oven....
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Msg : 158 of 384
From : Mark Jones 1:105/302.47 .cê 28 .àé 95 02:54
To : Frank Eva
Subj : Torres in Faces
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (25 May 95) Frank Eva wrote to Mark Jones...
FE> I'm beginning to see why you're so opposed to "techo-babble"! It
FE> really is getting rather deep, especially in the last episode in
FE> which they had to figure out a way to "cure" the bio-gel-packs!
FE> IMO, the last 3 shows have definitely taken a nosedive in
FE> quality. Perhaps the writers are getting burnt out...
"And lo, the scales did fall from his eyes and he saw anew!"
Yeah, they seem to think that making up a pseudo-scientific problem
and then spending 50 minutes trying pseudo-scientific solutions
constitutes a watchable plot. It doesn't. The pseudo-science should
simply propel them *into* the real conflict.
The story about B'Lanna being split into her Klingon and Human halves
is the sort of "technobabble" I can accept. The notion of splitting
her into two separate beings is as unlikely as everything else they've
done--but I was willing to grant the premise in order to see how the
character dealt with the problem. (Unfortunately, she dealt with it
by having everything made okay again by more super-science. Yuck.)
FE> In addition to the factors you mentioned, how would she react to her
FE> parents... all sorts of neat complications!
...if she ever sees them again.
FE> Doc Zimmerman is not as obnoxious as Wesley Crusher, but he's
FE> being used basically the same way. Save another crew member? Just
FE> ask Doc Zimmerman to go well beyond his normal programming, and
FE> he'll save the day every time!
Now, if we could only get him to doctor the SCRIPTS....
... When the Master of Sinanju speaks, the Minbari Grey Council listens!
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Msg : 159 of 384
From : Myra I Fox 1:123/10 .cê 28 .àé 95 09:11
To : Barry Blaes
Subj : X-Files Finale
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-=>Quoting Barry Blaes to Myra I Fox<=-
MI> I would love to hear your theory.... more than one boxcar
MI> connected to that one? he's buried under the bodies? he
MI> got beamed up to the mother ship?
BB> Nope... The team from sliders came in just after the kid shut the lid.
BB> The timer only had 45 seconds on the display. Mulder heard the
BB> chopper. Fearing the worst... when the portal opened for the slider
BB> team he jumped with them! :-)
A great theory with only 2 minor flaws... I don't know much
about sliders... and I heard they were cancelled .
Maybe O'Brien beamed him through time and space to DS9.
Or Scotty came by in that shuttle he has been wandering
around in and rescued him.
Maybe he is hiding in Kosh's encounter suit.
He's sharing a curry with Lister on the Red Dwarf.
He is really a Shambala master and slipped through to
Shambala to wait this one out, only to reappear later when
things "cool down" in the boxcar.
... When the Master of Sinanju speaks, the Minbari Grey Council listens!
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Msg : 160 of 384
From : Lawrence Heinke 1:291/69 .cê 28 .àé 95 14:36
To : Ecarey
Subj : The Klingons vs The Borg!
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: InterEcho 1.07 6E010918
-> But the Romulans and Cardassians and Klingons didn't have anything ca
-> beating the Borg either -
Wrong!!! The Klingons have a weapon that could be lethal to the Borg. The weapon
could easily defeat them. It is called Blood Seed. I forget the episode but in
TNG all of some planets lifeforms were being eradicated. The Enterprise was on
some goose-chase looking for DNA. The Klingons had beaten them there, got the
DNA and, destroyed the planet with Blood Seed a life devouring plasma. The
Klingons could fire it at the Borg, the Borg would see it as not a threat, it
would thereby destroy all DNA and render the ship inert. Klingons 1 - Borg 0!
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Msg : 161 of 384
From : Earl Green 1:3822/1 .cê 28 .àé 95 14:43
To : Frank Eva
Subj : SLIDERS SEASON FINALE
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
FE>EG " the possibility of John Rhys-Davies departing. This show's in
FE>EG " trouble.
FE>I really am a prophet! :-) When Sliders first aired, I commented that
FE>JRD was the most likely to move on, because of his distinguished movie
FE>career. I just couldn't see him sticking around in a weekly TV show when
FE>he could be doing stuff like Indiana Jones 4...
You do have to admit, though, Rhys-Davies was a BIG part of that
show's appeal. I most emphatically did NOT like Quinn or Wade when
the show started up; I got to where I liked Wade two or three episodes
in, and I was finally starting to like Quinn just as they offed him.
But Arturo and Rembrandt had me hooked - if not for them, I wouldn't
have stuck around for the first hourly episode.
e <-- Earl Green (earl.green@f1.n3822.z1.fidonet.org) 1:3822/1
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Msg : 162 of 384
From : Earl Green 1:3822/1 .cê 28 .àé 95 14:43
To : Kay Shapero
Subj : SLIDERS SEASON FINALE
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
KS> EG> As recently as a fax sent yesterday, Fox still considers
KS>A fax from whom to whom? Considering that Fox already announced to the pape
KS>that it was cancelling the thing (turned up in the LA Times the other day),
KS>they're just throwing rumors around to help in contract negotiations or
KS>something, I think they're overdoing it a tad...
The fax was a daily news digest from Broadcasting & Cable Weekly
magazine. I've still have yet to see a fax from Fox indicating the
show is dead, but it may still be forthcoming.
e
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Msg : 163 of 384
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .cê 28 .àé 95 16:32
To : RUMBLE
Subj : EARTH 2/SO LONG
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> I really enjoyed the series and i'm sorry to see it go. But at least
-> seaQuest is still on! It is much more exiting, and weirder. BTW do you know
-> if there are more than three seaQuest books. I've only found the first three
-> and they are all about last years cast.
I haven't found season 2 of SeaQuest as much to my liking as you have.
However, I am an optimist about science fiction on TV so I'm hoping the story
lines change to more hard science and less fantasy next season. Earth 2 was,
for me, a series with greater promise--especially since so much of it was shot
on location. I much prefer that approach to the virtually 100% studio shoot of
SeaQuest.
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Msg : 164 of 384
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .cê 28 .àé 95 16:36
To : DEBRA MILNER
Subj : EARTH 2/SO LONG
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> Count me into that group.....I didn't miss it, and if I was not going to be
-> home, had the episode taped....I had not heard it was getting cancelled.
Re: The Demise of Earth 2
I wonder if the series failed, in part, because not one of the characters was
exceptionally strong. A powerful Matriarch or Patriarch figure sometimes helps
along with, perhaps, a smaller "core" of key players. We may laugh at Cpt.
Kirk from the original Star Trek because he was so much larger than life but at
least you knew what he stood for and he made decisions and took the
consequences. In Earth 2, leadership was much more ambiguous and quavering.
Maybe this played a part??
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Msg : 165 of 384
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .cê 28 .àé 95 16:38
To : STEVEN WESEN
Subj : EARTH 2/SO LONG
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> Not me this series is not what the fans I knew wanted and the Writing was
-> not seasoned enough to draw in watchers.
-> I thought it might be good when I first saw the Pilot but it look more like
-> a Paranoid Lost in Space and Yates was the Robot "warning , warning this
-> show lacks"
You take a strong position and defend it fairly well. The series that will
last has power-packed stories and characters that stand out. Maybe the Earth 2
figures were diluted a bit too much because we never got to really care so much
about any one of them. Geez, Morgan stood out--and he was a pain much of the
time. Maybe if Danzigger led a bit more things might have turned out
differently. Who knows??
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Msg : 166 of 384
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .cê 28 .àé 95 16:40
To : MICHELLE WILLEY
Subj : EARTH 2/SO LONG
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> colonists stranded without supplies on an alien world. The premise offered a
-> lot of scope that was simply ignored by the writers. IMHo. Don't know what
-> the TV schedule was like in your area, but here the show was constantly
-> being preempted or delayed for as much as 90 minutes. If this was normal for
-> other areas of the US, the ratings had to be pretty bad. --Mich
That's the point, isn't it, a promise unfulfilled seems to be a frequent
post-mortem comment on Earth 2. The delays and preempted slots just made the
matter worse.
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Msg : 167 of 384
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .cê 28 .àé 95 16:43
To : PAMELA CROSSETT
Subj : EARTH 2/SO LONG
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> What do you think of this trend of novelization of television shows?
-> Were any of them any good? Did you read them?
->
-> RL> What is a surprise is that SeaQuest DSV did make the "cut" instead!
-> Just haven't gotten into this series.
->
-> What a disappointment about Earth2!
Novels are quite often more interesting because we get to use our imagination
more and, naturally, more room is available for descriptive narrative. The
Earth 2 novels were engaging if not classic fare. I enjoyed them but one could
see that they were a bit rushed and certainly raw around the edges.
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Msg : 168 of 384
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .cê 28 .àé 95 16:46
To : FRANK EVA
Subj : EARTH 2/SO LONG
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> its original inhabitants, and this piqued my interest. I'm now sorry to see
-> it was axed. I'm not surprised, though, because if they kept SeaQuest, they
-> probably didn't think they could afford both and just tossed a coin to see
-> which one to keep. Perhaps, though, Spielberg's association with SeaQuest
-> gave that show a bit of an edge...
Well, Frank, the cancellation was a disappointment but certainly not hard to
predict. I guess I was even more surprised by the cancellation of Sliders.
This series had even more promis and the stroies broadcast were always
engaging. I am enough of an optimist to still believe the Earth 2 premise is
one which could be successfully re-worked down the line.
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Msg : 169 of 384
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .cê 28 .àé 95 16:49
To : TOM HUBER
Subj : EARTH 2/SO LONG
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> There were some technical inconsistencies that bothered me, especially the
-> concept that the isolated colony wasn't all that isolated and that "big
-> brother" could move in any time and take over...
The VR connection with "big brother," as you call it, did act as an unneeded
distraction. The series would have been stronger, I suppose, had the colonists
been ENTIRELY cut-off. Colonists in our history quite often found themselves
in precisely this situation. The west was "opened" precisely because those who
survived had to be especially strong and self-reliant characters.
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Msg : 170 of 384
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .cê 28 .àé 95 16:51
To : JEFF SCHLENKER
Subj : EARTH 2/SO LONG
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> Yea, I liked it as well. When it first came on, I wasn't too impressed, but
-> I kept watching and I guess it sorta grew on me.
Let's hope down the line something from a non-Star Trek universe can succeed
and do so in a powerful way. I guess X-Files demonstrates that such fare is
possible and can be produced with innovative scripts and with characters who
have a tremendous charisma.
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Msg : 171 of 384
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .cê 28 .àé 95 16:53
To : DEMIAN KATZ
Subj : EARTH 2/SO LONG
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> Earth 2 will be missed... It's my second favorite sci-fi show ever, and I
-> don't think it deserves to die.. The ratings weren't that bad from what
-> I've seen, but I guess network tv has higher expectations. Ah well, at least
-> there are still a fair number of quality shows on.
Sorry for the delay in replying Demian... Yeh, it will be missed but I'll miss
Sliders even more. Now that cancellation was even a bigger double-whammy. No
logic or "heart" seems attached to the networks. It's all numbers, dollars,
demographics and the "bottom line." Welcome to free enterprise. On the other
hand, there SHOULD BE a place for quality entertainment that does not have
MASS APPEAL.
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Msg : 172 of 384
From : Michelle Willey 1:379/37 .cê 28 .àé 95 16:55
To : Frank Eva
Subj : RE: VOYAGER NOSE DIVING?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
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FE> I wouldn't complain about Neelix if he didn't seem to always be employed
FE> as Barclay was in TNG. Of all the characters, I find the holo-doc the
FE> most interesting. Perhaps it's because he seems to be more of an "adult"
FE> dislike how demographics is having such a profound effect on TV...
I agree Neelix seems to be the Barclay too often. The doc on the other hand
has a slightly cynical edge that I like. I find it ironic that the only
character with any depth is the simulated person. But the same thing happened
in NextGen. Data was more human than the humans and the humans all began to
seem artificial. Even on those rare occasions when a character gets angry it
does not seem very real. Pooh on demographics. Just because we don't buy the
action figures no one wants to make science fiction for grown ups.
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Msg : 173 of 384
From : Michelle Willey 1:379/37 .cê 28 .àé 95 16:55
To : Frank Swarbrick
Subj : RE: SLIDERS & VR.5 CANCEL
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
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On 24 May 95 07:50pm, FRANK SWARBRICK said the following:
FS> Well, for everone wondering if Quinn is going to die...we'll never know.
FS> Sliders has been cancelled. As has VR.5 (big surprise there). Sheesh,
Well ?*@#^*@! Now what am I supposed to watch on Wednesday nights? So far we
have cancellations on TekWar, Sliders, VR.5, and Earth 2. But we get to keep
SeaQuest? Life just ain't fair.
MICHELLE WILLEY
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Msg : 174 of 384
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .cê 28 .àé 95 16:56
To : TOM ROBINSON
Subj : EARTH 2/SO LONG
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-> It's really weird I taped the E2 tv-movie on a bit of a lark as I
-> had already pre-judged it as being cut in the same mold as SQ-DSV seemed to
-> have been (large budget, but not much in the way of stories).
-> It turns out the total opposite was true. I wound up watching
-> every episode religiously. It was such a uniquely different series: one
-> which seemed structured more like a play. The Terrians could have come off
-> as being some kind of warm 'n fuzzy hippies, but they turned out to be
-> fascinating.
->
-> Even Uly had the fascinating evolution of his DNA sub-plot making
-> him a totally different character from the weak character I had anticiapted.
Of all the responses to my original message, I guess yours coincides most
directly with my own. I guess there were morte than 25 of us enjoying Earth 2.
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Msg : 175 of 384
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .cê 28 .àé 95 16:59
To : EVAN MALIK
Subj : EARTH 2/SO LONG
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-> Well once again we see the people at NBC have no concept of how to run
-> Science Fiction on their network. The network that cancelled Star Trek has
-> done it again! E2 was a great show they never gave a chance. I personally
-> think NBC killed it intentionally when Steven Speilberg pulled his name
-> off it. It was a show that demanded the viewers attention as it built on
-> itself week after week (much like Babylon 5), but how often was it on more
-> than 2 weeks in a row without being preemted, cancelled or repeated? No
-> wonder it got bad ratings. I loved the show and couldn't even keep track of
-> it! Perhaps Universal will be able to sell it to a real network to keep
-> this great show alive!
Hey, Earth 2 was cancelled and now Sliders has been too! Go figure. Just what
do the networks want-nothing but SITCOMS???!!! I mean sitcoms are safe and
non-threatening entertainemnt fare but damn good dramas should be given a
chance too. The ARE more RISKY. They do require a greater intellectual
involvement but, in the end, I think we walk away more enriched. Just one
man's opinion but Earth 2 and Sliders should have been retained at least for a
second season.
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Msg : 176 of 384
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .cê 28 .àé 95 17:02
To : FRANK EVA
Subj : WHITE DWARF
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-> Yeah, it was very difficult to follow, and kind of boring... He should
-> change his name to Crappola... :-)
Gee, Frank, was it really that bad?? I have only seen the first half hour of
the tape but will see better what you mean when I catch the last 90 minutes.
He ususally makes films that we rememebr--is this a slide into dementia or
what??
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Msg : 177 of 384
From : Gary Warren 1:382/92 .cê 28 .àé 95 17:55
To : Jim Cushing
Subj : Re: CREATION REVIEW 1995: THE TROUBLE WITH R'NOLD! (part 2)
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-=> Quoting Jim Cushing to Gary Warren <=-
GW> After we were firmly, but not happily, seated, we suffered
GW> through the introductory music video (isn't ANYBODY who is vaguely
GW> familiar with classical music, late 1970's rock or WAYNE'S WORLD
GW> besides me tired of hearing Queen's version of "Bohemian Rhapsody" for
GW> the 97th time?).
JC>
JC> Actually no! Queen is still one of my favorite groups.
Well, Queen WAS one of my fave late 70's/early 80's groups (alongside
Abba, Wings, ELO and Blondie!), but WAYNE'S WORLD and the repetitive
music video on MTV and VH1 about killed any appreciation I had for
the group!
GW> Then we concentrated a bit more on Arnold's humourlessly spoken
GW> (to everyone but himself)
JC>
JC> Having been to a con where Arnold was one of the guest speakers I can
JC> sympathize with you.
I figure most fans would. ;D
GW> Since Colm Meany (Miles O'Brien on DS9) has a contract
GW> allowing him to include his outside movie roles with his regular DS9
GW> appearances, his stay on that series is assured for several years.
JC>
JC> Colm has also stated that one of his main reasons for staying on DS9
JC> is that he gets a steady paycheck something most actors don't
JC> receive.
Actors must eat to act, that's why soap operas are a constant revolving
door of actors.
GW> ° The subplot of Quark's nephew Nog's application to
GW> Starfleet will surface again in the DS9 episode "Facets."
JC>
JC> I've heard that O'brien will be "assisting" Nog with application and
JC> training for the academy.
Which Miles will no doubt love to do. ::ahem!::
GW> ° DS9's Benjamin Sisco (Avery Brooks) will be promoted
GW> to captain at the end of this season.
JC>
JC> About time!
Yeah, I thought he already WAS a captain.
GW> ° Even though Robert McNeil's Tom Paris on VOYAGER and
GW> his earlier TNG Nick Lacarno from "The First Duty" have identical
GW> semi-bad guy character backgrounds, the Lacarno character was rewritten
GW> into Paris in order for Paramount to avoid paying the scripter(s) of
GW> "The First Duty" residuals for each VOYAGER episode involving Lacarno.
GW> (And we thought Paramount dishonestly credited or underpaid its TREK
GW> franchise scriptwriters--AHEM!!)
JC>
JC> Paramount is a business of making money while "trying" to give its
JC> viewers "quality" programs.
As the current brouhaha over FOREST GUMP's writer proves. "Greed" is
Paramount's middle name.
GW> ° To avoid an R-rating for STAR TREK VI:
GW> THE UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY, the Klingon blood bubbles were Pepto
GW> Bismol-coloured. "Purple blood," commented Arnold, "is considered
GW> less violent than RED blood!"
JC> Blood is blood no matter what the color it is. They still showed the
JC> violence. Changing the color of blood because purple is less violent
JC> than red blood is stupid. If anything they should have "cut" back on
JC> the graphic violence while keeping the red blood.
Well, Standards and Practice departments of networks and studios have
strange ideas about sex and violence content, so it's not as far-fetched
as we may like to think.
GW> As usual, Shatner didn't sign autographs,
JC>
JC> I know he has a signature contract with QVC but that is ridiculous!
JC> The man gets paid $25,000 for a weekend show plus first class airline
JC> tickets plus over $100.00 per day for food and he can't take time out
JC> to sign autographs!
Well he needs the spare time to ride his horses! ;D
GW> ° Despite Paramount's monetary concerns, it always
GW> builds a new Enterprise bridge for each movie.
JC>
JC> If Shatner said that he is either a liar or he dosen't read the books
JC> his collaborators wrote for him. In his Movie Memories book he
JC> clearly stated that all through the series and movies Paramount either
JC> remade, refurbished or upgraded the current sets.
I'm waiting for the paperback version of MOVIE MEMORIES to come out, as I
did with his first MEMORIES book (of which I ended up spending only
45 cents, thanks to my bookstore card!).
GW> ° The horseback-riding scene with Patrick Stewart in
GW> GENERATIONS took two days to shoot, where it was up to Shatner to
GW> teach Stewart how to ride AND to wear panty-hose *inside* his pants.
JC>
JC> Stewart knew how to ride! Stewart was not prolific horseman like
JC> Shatner.
GW> ° His new STAR TREK novel, ASHES OF EDEN, is part of a
GW> planned trilogy.
JC>
JC> Did he also state that 80% of the book was written by Gar and Judith
JC> Stevens!
I'm still waiting for him to admit Ron Goulart (sp?) wrote his TEKWAR
books.
GW> He also added that VOYAGER and DS9 producer Rick Berman may consider his
GW> screenplay for ASHES as part of another TREK film, which would inevitably
GW> result in Captain James T. Kirk's "resurrection" for at least this
GW> supposed movie.
JC>
JC> I hope not after all Shatner last idea(ST5 In search of "God")was a
JC> flop! Besides "He's dead Bill" and I hope he stays that way.
I dunno. Won't you miss seeing two hours of his toupees? ::gryn!::
GW> While USA Network has canceled TEKWAR, a Canadian network is considering
GW> producing more episodes.
JC>
JC> At times I enjoyed TEKWAR and I hope a Canadian network will produce
JC> more!
So does my wife.
GW> ° Shatner said he believes VOYAGER is "more in line"
GW> with the exploratory premise of the Original Series than DS9, even
GW> though he admitted seeing only "Caretaker," VOYAGER's two-hour debut.
JC>
JC> How would he know? He has admitted that he has never watched TNG or
JC> DS9 so how can he make a statement like that plus he only saw the
JC> debut episode of Voyager.
Because he's a Creation Con star and is paid to say anything he wants!
GW> ° Among his most degrading entertainment assignments,
GW> Shatner listed his role in the 1970's KINGDOM OF THE SPIDERS and his
GW> late 1960's rendition of "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds." He explained,
GW> however, that the original cut included his reading from "Man from La
GW> Mancha" intercut with his "interpretation" of the Beatles hit in order
GW> to provide a sort of literary contrast of the times. The purpose of
GW> the release containing only "Lucy" was "to DEGRADE me!" Shatner
GW> exclaimed. °
JC>
JC> Hey the man needed work! Plus he had been through a bitter divorce
JC> with his first wife which pratically left him pennyless and living out
JC> of his pickup truck.(he stated that on an interview with Howard Stern)
One of his little-known "beggar" roles of the 70's *I* admire him for was
the narrator of a documentary series on entrepreneurship our high
school government class had to watch during class.
GW> Shatner included "The City on the Edge of Forever" (which he labeled
GW> "The City on the Edge of the River") and "The Trouble with Tribbles"
GW> were his favorite Original Series episodes. He also mused that the
GW> show's finale "Turnabout Intruder" ("where a woman entered MY body!")
GW> was one of his most unforgettable TOS shows.
JC>
JC> Bill must be suffering from memory loss. When I last saw him at a
JC> convention he stated that his favorite was "The devil in the
JC> dark"(the Horta episode) because his father died either just before
JC> filming began or while they were filming the episode.
Well he mentioned "Devil in the Dark" in passing as a fave, too.
GW> Since we had our fill of Shatner and parking and seating
GW> hassles, Teri and I didn't bother to stay for the rescheduled blooper
GW> reel. If I was teaching at Teri's school where she works, I'd stamp a
GW> fat D-plus (D+) for the convention's grade, with the only saving graces
GW> being the informational bits and Shatner's appearance. If I were to
GW> repeat my oath from last year not to attend another Creation
GW> convention, I'd gladly do so with crossed fingers. But I'd ALSO add the
GW> caveat that Creation needs to come up with another convention site with
GW> better parking and audience seating AND a convention host with a
GW> tumbleweed's inkling about handicapped accessibility issues.
JC> Good idea!
We just have to see if Creation will take a hint.
glw
... Attend! The! William! Shatner! School! Of ... Acting!
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Msg : 178 of 384
From : SEAN CASZATT 1:2601/512 .cê 28 .àé 95 18:47
To : ROBERT LIDGREN
Subj : SLIDERS KILLED TOO!!
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In a message to All <05/27/95> Robert Lidgren wrote:
RL> I wonder if Babylon 5, ST Voyager, ST Deep Space 9 and X-Files will now be
RL> cancelled too so the networks can bring back "Lost in Space: The 90's
RL> edition": AAARRRRGhhhhhhhh!!!
UPN recently announced that VOYAGER will be the only series of theirs
that will be returning next season.
Sean Caszatt <-> Project Aurora
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Msg : 179 of 384
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .cê 28 .àé 95 22:11
To : MORTEN M.NSSON
Subj : MY FRIEND MAX
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RE: Your question about the two versions of MAX HEADROOM-->
-> >Max Headroom: 10 points!
->
-> Can anybody tell me, what the difference is between the UK and the US
-> versions of the show. Are there different actors? Different episodes? Or..??
The US version was cast with entirely different actors, as I recall. The only
hold-over was the actor who played Max. The British version was much better.
It had a grittier feel to it and a somewhat darker tone. The humour was more
sophisticated. Here in Canada we saw the entire run of both versions so I can
speak from direct knowledge.
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Msg : 180 of 384
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .cê 28 .àé 95 22:13
To : VINCENT MCCONNELL
Subj : SLIDERS CONTINUITY
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> JK> Seeing that FOX announced that they cancelled the show, is it possible
-> JK> that someone else picked it up or that it might go into syndication?
-> When'd they announce this and where?
I read about the announcement of the cancellation in The Globe and Mail
newspaper this past week.
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Msg : 181 of 384
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .cê 28 .àé 95 22:22
To : TODD SULLIVAN
Subj : BEST SF
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> Harlan's been that way before all of us made our collective debut. I find
-> his general behavior amusing (looking at a child, I suppose), but he makes
-> some good points, especially if you've read "The Glass Teat" and "The Other
-> Glass Teat". Hmmmm, now there's an idea: A B-5 version of TGT. I wonder
-> how long that would last...
Hi there. I am responding to a message you posted re: Harlan Ellison's
comments. The point about Ellison is that NO MATTER WHAT HE SAYS the responses
are strong, heated and show that he makes so much sense so much of the time
that he CONTINUES to be a major gadfly in the science fiction/speculative
fiction arena. He rails in a pyrotechnic way about the antics of weird SF fans
and documents said opinions with a myriad of examples. The one that I can't
get out of my head is his stpory about a sci-fi conference he attended where
another author was approached by a "fan" as he entered an elevator. The guy
simply ran up and dumped a cup of fresh vomit on his clothing. Not a word was
said by the creep-he simply took off. One has to point out that such idiot
behavior is exhibited only by the "lunatic fringe" but Harlan's article made me
see why he usually makes caustic comments or at least iconoclastic ones.
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Msg : 182 of 384
From : Pamela Crossett 1:325/118 .cê 28 .àé 95 23:28
To : Gloria Darcy
Subj : Re: Earth 2 & HIGHLANDER
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>"And I wonder if Devin is really dead?"
yes, i agree, i don't like being left haing at the end of a season, not to
mention if they completely cut it off - and i have to write the rest of the
series for my own satisfaction.
about highlander. are you happy now that it looks like anne is off the show?
I've seen some of the latest postings about it, and the concensus seems to be
that she's been axed.
would you object to any love interest, of is it just her? (you are the gloria i
corresponded with about this before aren't you?) if not, i apologize.
seeYa on the net,
pam
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Msg : 183 of 384
From : Pamela Crossett 1:325/118 .cê 28 .àé 95 23:33
To : Gloria Darcy
Subj : Highlander, The Series
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
i just sent you another message, sorry. i now have the question answered.
i figured you would be pleased with her axing. but the question in my other
posting stands. would you object to any pairing with duncan other than tessa?
i have seen some of the tessa years, but only maybe five or so. i'd really like
to see all of season one, and maybe half of season two to catch up.
but i did rent highlander 3 and saw those two tessa episodes. i've rented
everything that says highlander, including the infamous episode 2. i'll watch it
all.
just got a director's cut version of highlander, the final dimension -
supposedly with scenes not seen in the version released several months ago
theatrically.
am looking forward to watching. my friend said there are some extra steamy
scenes he didn't remember from the movie, but he wasn't sure how much esle there
was.
did you see the movie? did you like it?
seeYA
pam
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Msg : 184 of 384
From : Debra Milner 1:112/285 .cê 28 .àé 95 23:53
To : Dana Zendell
Subj : Help on X-Files Finale
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> I have both on tape, and tell you what, I'll be more than happy to
> send you a copy, if you can send me your address...BTW, did you by
> any chance get tonight's (part 2) episode on tape? Guess what dummy
> forgot to set the VCR tonight...
Dana.....bad news.....
My husband, in his haste to make sure B5 was taped for me last week while I was
at class and had (again) forgotten to set the VCR, taped over on the tape that
was in the VCR.....yep....X-Files.........I'd kill him, but he was doing
it for me.....
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Msg : 185 of 384
From : Debra Milner 1:112/285 .îí 29 .àé 95 00:48
To : All
Subj : NBC address for Earth 2 email
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Does anyone have the e-mail address for NBC? I would like to send them e-mail
letting me know how disappointed I am in the cancellation of Earth 2....seems
they have a tendency to cancel my favorites.....
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Msg : 186 of 384
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .îí 29 .àé 95 06:20
To : FRANK SWARBRICK
Subj : Twin Peaks
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Quoth FRANK SWARBRICK, "Nevermore".
FS> Yeah, I remember seeing this book at the place I worked. Don't really
FS> plan to look for it. Probably couldn't find it anymore anyway.
Probably not. Look in the "4 for a Dollar" bins. Or try and find a
library which owns it.
FS> Replacement Donna? How could they! Hmm, not sure if I'll get it this
FS> weekend after all. Perhaps some day, if there's nothing else to do.
FS> Thanks for the info.
Lara Flynn Boyle wasn't interested.
FS> Next question is, did season one end after Cooper got shot?
JB> No...
FS> John Kahane says yes. Or were you just kidding?
I was kidding.
Jack Butler
... "I prefer Indiana." "We named the *dog* Indiana."
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Msg : 187 of 384
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .îí 29 .àé 95 08:22
To : Pamela Crossett
Subj : Highlander Scedule
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Quoth Pamela Crossett, "Nevermore".
PC> This sounds like you have an "insider" giving you information.
PC> Or are you actually part of the show?
I am not now, nor have I ever been, a part of the production team that
makes Highlander. I am, however, good friends with one of the production
assistants.
PC> I'm so glad to hear Peter Wingfield will be back as Methos. That was
PC> the best plot line of this season! And he was excellent for leaving a
PC> sense of mystery around long-term immoratals.
I agree.
Jack Butler
Highlander Guru
... "Nino! Fetch me another... this one's broken." -- Kallas
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Msg : 188 of 384
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .îí 29 .àé 95 08:27
To : Gloria Darcy
Subj : Highlander
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Quoth Gloria Darcy, "Nevermore".
GD> I just wish Alexandria had fought harder with the producers and/or
GD> writers to make her character stronger and not the victim all the
GD> time, as she had wished.
That wasn't why she left the show. She left the show because she
got tired of spending half a year in Vancouver, away from her family. Plus,
she wanted to have more babies, something that Tessa by definition couldn't
do easily. So she quit. Amicably, but she still quit.
And its "Alexandra". Minor correction.
Jack Butler
Highlander Guru
... "Well... Life as we know it is over..." -- Methos
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Msg : 189 of 384
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .îí 29 .àé 95 08:28
To : Gloria Darcy
Subj : Highlander Scedule
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Quoth Gloria Darcy, "Nevermore".
GD> Great news, Jack! What about Joe? I haven't seen the second part yet
GD> of the season finale.
As of right now, Joe Dawson will be back.
Jack Butler
... "I spoke of unbreakable rules. This is one of them." -- MacLeod
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Msg : 190 of 384
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .îí 29 .àé 95 08:29
To : FRANK SWARBRICK
Subj : Sliders Continuity
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Quoth FRANK SWARBRICK, "Nevermore".
JB> Personally, I thought this was a brilliant move on the part of
JB> the producers. The two men look close enough alike to be "identical",
JB> but are different enough ("our" Rembrandt has a couple of scars "their"
JB> Rembrandt didn't have, in addition to the extra padding) to be separate
JB> individuals.
FS> Is this for real? At the time it did seem to me that they did have
FS> some dissimilarities, but I took it to be good makeup and good acting.
FS> Twin brother, huh? Interesting...
Yup!
Jack Butler
... "I'll get you, my pretty... and your little dog, too!"
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Msg : 191 of 384
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .îí 29 .àé 95 08:31
To : Richard Yamagata
Subj : B5 Catch-Up
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.42.bA 8060
RY "FE> This would be nice but it would require a company like Simon &
RY "FE> Schuster to envision a profit for such a series of books. I
RY "FE> personally think there are few publishers who would consider
RY "FE> such a series profitable at this early stage, with B5 still a
RY "FE> somewhat unproven commodity...
RY "You are right about this. To make the point more poignant for my
RY "son, "where are the micro-machines?"
Yes, that's the same thing. Is the series popular enough to warrant a
line of B5 toys? With the threat of cancellation looming over the show,
I don't think anyone will find this license a safe investment...
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Msg : 192 of 384
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .îí 29 .àé 95 08:31
To : Richard Yamagata
Subj : Babylon 5 (PTEN)
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.42.bA 8060
RY "On the other hand, it may not be surprising. That long narrative by
RY "Delenn about the Shadows, the First Ones, the Vorlons, drove me
RY "MAD!!! I played that sequence over and over -- TRYING TO FIGURE OUT
RY "WHAT MIRA WAS MUMBLING. It is rediculous that she could not
RY "ennunciate better. I do not think it was a directional ploy to
RY "heighten suspense.
RY "The only thing that let me understand what Mira muffed was a
RY "transcript of that part of the episode. I think that this narrative
RY "was as critical to the B5 plot line as the dialog between Sheridan
RY "and Kosh about "understanding."
Perhaps this transcript would help me understand better what was being
said, too. I don't have the time or patience to go back and watch an
episode a dozen times. In fact, I like to only watch them again much
later, when I've basically forgotten much of what happened. This helps
we while away the dreary days of summer TV. So, if you happen to have
this transcript in a text file, could you net-mail it to me?
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Msg : 193 of 384
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .îí 29 .àé 95 08:31
To : Tony Trujillo
Subj : SeaQuest Survives
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.42.bA 8060
ref: Lucas...
FE> He's become just another Wesley Crusher, always saving the day...
TT "I guess that's what the "kids" want...
Yeah, and isn't it sad when demographics rules what we see on TV? I was
perfectly happy with the first season, but when the new producer decided
to target a different audience, he lost me...
--- CMPQwk 1.42-R2 #145 ---
Talk is cheap because supply exceeds demand.
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Msg : 194 of 384
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .îí 29 .àé 95 08:31
To : Gary Warren
Subj : Sliders
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.42.bA 8060
GW "As I've said before, both VR5 and SLIDERS are long gone, as of early
GW "this week.
Sliders has been cancelled? Sorry, but I haven't seen you say this, and
it is a major disappointment, if true...
--- CMPQwk 1.42-R2 #145 ---
I used up all my sick days, so I'm calling in dead.
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Msg : 195 of 384
From : Marc Zingarelli 1:226/110 .pä 31 .àé 95 13:29
To : Jack Butler
Subj : Highlander
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 92-0004
Jack Butler was overheard talking to Marc Zingarelli,
about Highlander, in "Joe's Place" and said:
JB> Certain characters are not going to survive the season finale. And
JB>the info I am getting tells me that Duncan is going to be getting a might
JB>darker in the future...
I hope that we can count on Amanda Surviving. She provides comic relief.
And Joe also. I'd have to change my header if Joe gets killed.
JB> More cynical and "lone-wolf" like. Understandable, considering what
JB>Kallas put him through...
Understandable. Wonder if they're trying to Connorize him?
Later
Marc
---
LT MARC ZINGARELLI
Circleville Fire Department
Local 1232
Internet: marc.zingarelli@tcr.com
* OLX 1.52 * "Another time, MacCleod."
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Msg : 196 of 384
From : Marc Zingarelli 1:226/110 .pä 31 .àé 95 13:49
To : Jack Butler
Subj : Highlander Scedule
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 92-0004
Jack Butler was overheard talking to Myra I Fox,
about Highlander Schedule, in "Joe's Place" and said:
JB> BTW, the premiere of the 4th season is being directed by Adrian Paul,
JB>and will feature several scenes which were filmed in Scotland.
Besides the fact that I'm not a summer person and summer TV sucks now I'm
really gonna be miserable waiting for these.
Later
Marc
---
LT MARC ZINGARELLI
Circleville Fire Department
Local 1232
Internet: marc.zingarelli@tcr.com
* OLX 1.52 * A gun in hand is better than a cop on the phone!
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Msg : 197 of 384
From : Marc Zingarelli 1:226/110 .pä 31 .àé 95 13:50
To : Jack Butler
Subj : Highlander Scedule
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 92-0004
Jack Butler was overheard talking to Marc Zingarelli,
about Highlander Schedule, in "Joe's Place" and said:
JB> And about your wife: remember, accidents do happen. Forgive her and
JB>let her back in the house...
But she and the dog have become such good friends.
JB> BTW, the latest word is that Annie will be returning for at least a
JB>couple of eps in season 4.
On her return all I can say is I am vindicated. Remember if they're still in t
show.
Later
Marc
---
LT MARC ZINGARELLI
Circleville Fire Department
Local 1232
Internet: marc.zingarelli@tcr.com
* OLX 1.52 * "Bother" said Pooh, it's your husband and he has a .45!
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Msg : 198 of 384
From : Demian Katz 1:2626/102 .pä 31 .àé 95 14:57
To : FRANK SWARBRICK
Subj : Re: Sliders & VR.5 cancelled!
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
> Sliders has been cancelled. As has VR.5 (big surprise there). Sheesh,
> they hardly even gave Sliders a chance. As for VR.5, well I wanted it
Twice as long a chance as Space Rangers got. And at least Sliders was shown in
the right order. :) (Nothing against Sliders, but I'm taking another
opportunity to whine about Space Rangers. It's a habit of mine. :) )
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Msg : 199 of 384
From : Demian Katz 1:2626/102 .pä 31 .àé 95 18:35
To : Morten M.nsson
Subj : Re: X-FILES konference??
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
> Can anybody please confirm, or the opposite ;-(, the rumour about,
> there being a seperate X-Files konference called - plainly: X-FILES ??
There is one, but to my knowledge it isn't backboned, and is thus only available
in a limited area.
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Msg : 200 of 384
From : Demian Katz 1:2626/102 .pä 31 .àé 95 18:36
To : Morten M.nsson
Subj : Re: Starfleet Rules as...
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
> 8. If a dangerous solution to a problem, haven't been tested before, try
> one of the following commands: "Redirect Power..." or
> "Reverse Polarity..."
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Actually, that reverse polarity bit seems more appropriate in Doctor Who
emergencies. :)
Demian
... "I'll just reverse the polarity of the neutron flow..."
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Msg : 201 of 384
From : Brian Henderson 1:207/241 .ÿò 26 .àé 95 13:08
To : Jack Butler
Subj : B5 Ripoff: Ds9
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Jack Butler wrote about B5 Ripoff: Ds9
JB> Actually, he would. Why, you ask? Simple: there is a concept out
JB> there called "embezzelment". If he were to do anything else with
JB> the money, he'd go to jail for a long time.
Actually, he says that a lot of other shows have cast parties, etc. all of
which are sanctioned by the producing company. JMS is putting all the money
that could be used for other non-B5 purposes back into special effects, etc.
... "Sleeping is not the problem. Waking up is the problem" - Ivanova, B5
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X RM 1.3 X Eval Day -19 X
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Msg : 202 of 384
From : Brian Henderson 1:207/241 .ÿò 26 .àé 95 13:10
To : Richard Yamagata
Subj : B5 Ripoff: Ds9
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Richard Yamagata wrote about B5 Ripoff: Ds9
RY> I do not know if this is true or not, but I would like to think that
RY> it is true for B5. From the amount of energy that JMS expends by
RY> posting on GEnie and CIS, I believe that B5 means much more to him
RY> than a meal ticket. My son is waiting for his B5 micro-machines,
RY> but from what I garner from JMS posts, it seems JMS finds this type
RY> of marketing, demeaning.
Go to any Toys-R-Us for the Micro Machines. They are *VERY* nice (I have all
four sets). And yes, JMS is very bothered by the way the Star Trek Marketing
Machine works and has vowed to have B5 stand alone, not just be a vehicle to
sell action figures and toys. I admire someone who can stand up for their
principles like that rather than sell out to the highest bidder.
RY> All I know is that from looking at the Nielsens, the Paramount
RY> Network's success is all owed to ST Voyager. I think that the ST
RY> Voyager Q&A was a cheap ploy to get Voyager fans to sit through
RY> hours of vapid programming just to find the Q&A sequence. I think
RY> this supports your arguement about "selling grandma." As for
RY> Warner, their network ratings are lower than Fox and Paramount. How
RY> much lower and non- profitable can you get? It may be a blessing
RY> that B5 is syndicated an not a Warner Network offering. Ry
Well, considering that both UPN and WBN have dumped their entire programming
lineup (except for Voyager and DS9, natch), I don't think either one was very
happy with the way it went. Let's face it, when Fox started, they were the
absolute lowest, most awful nonsense on the tube, but they have improved
dramatically. It will also happen for UPN and WBN.
... "He started dying on his own." - G'Kar, B5
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Msg : 203 of 384
From : Brian Henderson 1:207/241 .ÿò 26 .àé 95 13:14
To : David Johnston
Subj : B5 Ripoff: Ds9
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
David Johnston wrote about B5 Ripoff: Ds9
DJ> Unfair. Star Trek may not have a grand masterplan, but it's
DJ> inconsistencies are not monetary in origin.
Well, no. It's inconsistencies are the result of incompetence. However, I
firmly believe that if it would make them money, they'd do anything, no matter
how ridiculous.
... "Pottypottypottypotty." Wakko, A!
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Msg : 204 of 384
From : Brian Henderson 1:207/241 .ÿò 26 .àé 95 13:18
To : Scott Gates
Subj : B5 Catch-Up
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Scott Gates wrote about B5 Catch-Up
SG> Do you know how I could get these from internet ftp?
Synopses of every B5 episode is available from ftp.hyperion.com in
/pub/babylon5/synopsis
... "No one on Babylon 5 is quite what they seem..." - G'Kar, B5
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Msg : 205 of 384
From : Brian Henderson 1:207/241 .ÿò 26 .àé 95 13:21
To : Frank Swarbrick
Subj : B5 Talk
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Frank Swarbrick wrote about B5 Talk
FS> I have to totally agree with you on the Richard Biggs. He is a
FS> wondeful actor, and I personally don't see any reason why he
FS> couldn't be in every episode. (After all, McCoy always was. ) I
FS> don't know that he should get starring credits, simply *because*
FS> he's not in every episode, but than neither should Mira Furlan
FS> (Delenn). In fact, she's probably my least favorite character.
Screen Actor Guild rules demand that if the actor is in a certain number of
episodes (I think it is 12, but am probably wrong), they must be pictured in
the opening credits.
... "Hokey Pokey, it doesn't mean A THING!!??" Londo to Delenn, B5
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Msg : 206 of 384
From : Brian Henderson 1:207/241 .ÿò 26 .àé 95 13:27
To : Frank Eva
Subj : Best Sf
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Frank Eva wrote about Best Sf
FE> SG "Harlan's problem with B5 is he doesn't get his way 110% of the
FE> time. SG "(the extra 10% comes when he does get his way, was wrong,
FE> and will SG "blame someone else.
FE>
FE> He did sound like a whiny baby in the SFU interview...
Well... he *IS*. Don't get me wrong, I've known Harlan for a long time, but
a bad attitude is about the best you'll ever expect to get from him. Sheesh,
you want to see bad, try to see him at a SF convention sometime. He sits
around and badmouths the con, the people, his fans, you name it and then
volunteers to come again next year.
... "Run out of small children to BUTCHER?" - G'Kar, B5
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Msg : 207 of 384
From : Victor O'Rear 1:202/1313 .óá 27 .àé 95 06:24
To : All
Subj : San Diego Comic-Con WWW page
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
* Forwarded from "a.fandom.cons"
* Originally by Janet Tait
* Originally to All
* Originally dated 24 May 1995, 17:01
Fm IntrNet: jtait@ucsd.edu [alt.fandom.cons]
The San Diego Comic-Con WWW page has just been updated. It now includes
registration information and forms, hotel information and a map of downtown
San Diego, contact information for Comic-Con, a current guest list, guest
interviews, information on programming, special events, the exhibit hall,
and nominations for the 1994 Will Eisner Comics Industry Awards. For those
without access to the web, some of the more vital information is below:
Dates: July 27-30, 1995
Places: San Diego Convention Center, 111 W. Harbor Dr., Downtown San Diego
Films Rooms: Convention Center and Hyatt Regency
Gaming Rooms: Convention Center and Clarion
Hours: Thursday: doors open at 10 a.m. for preregistered members, on-site
registration begins at
11 a.m. Friday, Saturday, and Sunday: Doors open at 10 a.m. Exhibit Hall
closes at 7 p.m. except
on Sunday, when it closes at 5 p.m.
Events: Eisner and Inkpot Awards Ceremony, Friday, Mariott Marina.
Saturday night party, Under the Sails area, Convention Center.
Masquerade: Saturday night at the Civic Theatre (shuttles will be
available)
Deadlines: Preregistration: June 19; Hotel reservations, June 23
Preregistration (by mail, postmarked no later than June 19, 1995)
Adults over 16: $45 for all four days
Children 7-16: $22.20 for all four days
Children under 7 free with adult member
Please note correction from Update#2
On-Site registration (available on site only):
Adults over 16: $55 for all four days
Children 7-16: $27for all four days
Children under 7 free with adult member
Guests:
Neil Gaiman
Stan Lee
Rob Liefeld
Scott Bakula
Clive Barker
Roger Corman
Tom Sito (director of _Pocahontas_)
Ryoichi Ikegami
Simon Bisley
James Gurney
Jeff Smith
Joe Sinnott
Ramona Fradon
Mike Baron
Alan Davis
Stan Sakai
Gil Kane
Mike Peters
Irv Novick
Harvey Pekar
Charles Burns
Greg and Tim Hildebrandt
Will Eisner
Unfortunately Art Spiegelman and Francoise Mouly will not be joining us due
to a
scheduling conflict. Christopher Lambert, announced as a guest in the San
Diego Comic-Con Update #2, has also been forced to cancel due to scheduling
conflicts.
San Diego Comic-Con Address:
San Diego Comic-Con
P.O. Box 128458
San Diego, CA 92112-8458
Ph: 619-491-2475
Fax: 619-544-0743
WWW: http://www.digimark.net/wraith/SDCC/
Email: sdccweb@aol.com
--
Janet Tait
SDCC Publications Coordinator
sdccweb@aol.com
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Msg : 208 of 384
From : Gamin Davis 1:202/1313 .óá 27 .àé 95 19:28
To : Bruce Baugh
Subj : B5 VS ST
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Bruce Baugh while mentioning B5 VS ST said:
BB>On (09 May 95) Mark Jones wrote to Bruce Baugh...
BB>No fooling? It's not ringing any bells, honestly. Colonel Green's
>War and the Eugenics Wars, yes, but not WW3.
It WAS mentioned--I have the episode. "Bread and Circuses", I
believe. You're rusty on your TOS facts.
Gamin Davis
From the house where Star Trek: The Original Series Rules!
... If this isn't war, why is CNN massing on the border?
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Msg : 209 of 384
From : Gamin Davis 1:202/1313 .óá 27 .àé 95 19:28
To : Deana Kristof
Subj : Counselor Troi
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Deana Kristof while mentioning Counselor Troi said:
DK>Tell me. Do you think a real MILITARY organization lacking discipline
>last very long? Do you think a real MILITARY organization lacking ha
>security procedures wouldn't be taken advantage of in a second?
Jesus H. Christ, are we back to THIS argument again??? Get this
through your head, everybody: STARFLEET *IS* A MILITARY ORGANIZATION!!
It's one with a few variations in focus, but it IS a military! Nor does
it "lack discipline" or "security procedures". Anybody who thinks that
simply hasn't been paying attention.
DK>Starfleet has ideals. That's something that MILITARY organizations lac
>Sure, there's a chain of command, and it's a bureaucracy just like a
>military organization. But just becasue they defend what they believe
>(get that DEFEND) does not make them a military organization. The fac
>that Starfleet, (until recently; the Defiant) does not have Warships te
>us that Starfleet is decidely Not a military organization. Sure, Starf
>is the most militarily-oriented section of the Federation, but their mo
>like a Police force than a Military organization. Starfleet does not i
>unless provoked, they defend their own territories and do not attack wi
>due provocation. Doesn't sound very military to me...
You obviously know nothing about the military, then, because
everything you just described is an attribute of a MILITARY
ORGANIZATION. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, odds are,
it's a duck. (BTW, I am a Navy wife so I have some basis for
comparison.)
Gamin Davis
From the house where Star Trek: The Original Series Rules!
... How can we have a mutiny if nobody's in command?
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Msg : 210 of 384
From : Tammy Blandino 1:106/7315 .cê 28 .àé 95 19:23
To : Karmin St.jean
Subj : SF Channel and Anime
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
While skinny dipping Karmin St.jean was talking to Chris Baugh.
KS> (note, many of these may get a second chance at life this fall when
KS> the SciFi Channel introduces it's new Saturday Morning Anime lineup!)
YaHOoooo!
Unfortunately SciFi Channel isn't offerred by my cable company, but I
have friends who have it....thanks....
... I think that I'm dizzy, and I rather like it. --Pinky
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Msg : 211 of 384
From : Tippi Blevins 1:106/7315 .cê 28 .àé 95 19:53
To : Frank Swarbrick
Subj : Sliders & VR.5 cancelled!
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
*** Quoting Frank Swarbrick to All dated 05-24-95 ***
> Well, for everone wondering if Quinn is going to die...we'll never know.
> Sliders has been cancelled. As has VR.5 (big surprise there). Sheesh,
> they hardly even gave Sliders a chance. As for VR.5, well I wanted it
> to continue but I didn't hold out much hope. I'm surprised that
> Sliders
Well I hear tell that we get a new Aaron Spelling TV series about vampires.
ARGH! I don't know what it's called, but how about "Transylvania 90210"?
Honestly!
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Msg : 212 of 384
From : Tippi Blevins 1:106/7315 .cê 28 .àé 95 19:54
To : Debra Milner
Subj : Help on X-Files Finale
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
*** Quoting Debra Milner to Dana Zendell dated 05-26-95 ***
>
> I have both on tape, and tell you what, I'll be more than happy to send
> you a copy, if you can send me your address...BTW, did you by any
> chance get tonight's (part 2) episode on tape? Guess what dummy forgot
> to set the VCR tonight...
You didn't miss part 2;) Part 2 won't be on till next season. This past
Friday's episode was a repeat (the one where a ghost tried to solve its own
murder).
Hope that helps!:)
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Msg : 213 of 384
From : Skip Shayotovich 1:161/42 .îí 29 .àé 95 06:38
To : Frank Swarbrick
Subj : VR.5
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
= A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, Frank said: =
FS> Alas, 'tis been cancelled.
Fox has developed a VERY bad habit of cancelling SF shows that end
on cliff hangers... they're REALLY starting to wear thin with me and my
patience.
FS> Found out that Space is going to be on Sunday nights at 7:00pm (6:00
FS> central/mtn). The storyline seems to be thus...
It does sound good... and it better be VERY good if they want to
appease me at this point. They canned ALIEN NATION (a GREAT SF show) way
back when it was still a fledgling network, now they cancel two more good
SF shows. NOT good.
FS> I wonder how far the show has been planned out. Hopefully they've
FS> planned out in advance like Babylon 5 (well, maybe not five years in
FS> advance, but...) so they have a story "goal" to work toward.
I think ALL SF shows should do that... Babylon 5 is an excellent
series, in part because of this 5 year story arc. Other SF produced
series should take note.
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Msg : 214 of 384
From : Skip Shayotovich 1:161/42 .îí 29 .àé 95 06:39
To : Patrick Thoms
Subj : WHAT'S IN A NAME?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
= A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, Patrick said: =
PT> Highlander: The Sorcerer
That was one of the original names...
PT> Highlander: The Final Dimension.
This was THE final title. Reason? Probably because "Dimension"
films was the only company dumb enough to release it and they undoubtedly
had a clause in the contract stating their company name should be put in
the FINAL title.
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Msg : 215 of 384
From : Lanae Lauderdale 1:106/440 .îí 29 .àé 95 19:59
To : ROBERT LIDGREN
Subj : SLIDERS KILLED TOO!!
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: InterEcho 1.04 6E010618
Babylon 5 is extended for another year. Heard it straight from Jerry Doyle at a
con a few weeks ago. He had just received the news.
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Msg : 216 of 384
From : FRANK SWARBRICK 1:104/825 .îí 29 .àé 95 20:55
To : STARWOLF
Subj : B5 Baseball
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On 05-27-95 00:37 Starwolf, the little pine weasel, said:
St> I wondered about that. In the opening film, you've got the captain
St> commenting to Deleen that it was real tricky, what with the huge space
St> needed for life support and other essential functions, to have this
St> teeny, tiny space set aside for a Zen garden.
St> But they had the room to spare for a baseball diamond???
Priorities, man, priorities!
Frank
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Msg : 217 of 384
From : FRANK SWARBRICK 1:104/825 .îí 29 .àé 95 21:00
To : ROBERT LIDGREN
Subj : MY FRIEND MAX
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On 05-28-95 22:11 Robert Lidgren, the little pine weasel, said:
RL> RE: Your question about the two versions of MAX HEADROOM-->
-> >Max Headroom: 10 points!
->
-> Can anybody tell me, what the difference is between the UK and the US
-> versions of the show. Are there different actors? Different episodes?
Or..??
RL> The US version was cast with entirely different actors, as I recall.
RL> The only hold-over was the actor who played Max. The British version
RL> was much better. It had a grittier feel to it and a somewhat darker
RL> tone. The humour was more sophisticated. Here in Canada we saw the
RL> entire run of both versions so I can speak from direct knowledge.
You mean there was a whole British Max Headroom series? I thought there
was just one movie. Interesting...
Frank
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Msg : 218 of 384
From : Mark Jones 1:105/302.47 .îí 29 .àé 95 23:57
To : VINCENT MCCONNELL
Subj : Star Wars
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (27 May 95) VINCENT MCCONNELL wrote to MARK JONES...
VM> discussion is based on rumor and fan speculation which turned
VM> into "good sources" about the new movies, and has been going on
VM> for years now. Lucas/Film/Arts has released several statements
VM> actually confirming this one.
Talk is cheap. Even "official" talk. I still haven't seen or heard
anything to convince this is anything *but* talk.
VM> If Lucas were out of ideas he would get someone to write them for
VM> him. It's that simple. He has NOT been delaying these films,
VM> because there have been no official releases before the 1998 one.
VM> And the fact remains that if he were out of ideas... someone else
VM> would write them.
And maybe someone will. But it HASN'T HAPPENED YET. And until
there's more evidence than a Hollywood *press release* (for God's
sake!), I still don't believe it will happen.
VM> If he didn't want to do them he would not. People have been
VM> hearing BS for years now, and until it was confirmed they never
VM> actually *expected* anything. If he didn't want to do them it
VM> would have been oh-so-easy to have done just that.
People have been expecting (and slavering for) more Star Wars movies
since ROTJ. That's one of the reasons I don't believe it *now*.
Maybe *you* didn't expect anything until this recent "official"
release--but lots of other people did. And they're *still* waiting.
I think they'll still be waiting when 2000 rolls around.
VM> The SW re-hype has been doing well enough without hope of a new
VM> movie in 1998/99. The fact is, not many read SW Insider, and the
VM> merchandise is just appealing in itself to a crowd.
...and if the studio fanned the flames with rumors of an impending new
trilogy, the stuff will probably sell even better. No marketing exec
ever thought that "good enough" couldn't be improved.
You guys seem to take it as a personal affront that I don't believe
that the second coming of Star Wars is imminent.
If you think so, fine. Somebody asked why I didn't believe it.
These were my reasons. If you aren't convinced, that's fine too.
Time will tell who was right.
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Msg : 219 of 384
From : Mark Jones 1:105/302.47 .òp 30 .àé 95 00:09
To : Morten M.nsson
Subj : Starfleet Rules as...
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (25 May 95) Morten MÆnsson wrote to All...
MM> Having read something about Starfleet rules, as interpreted by Captain
MM> Picard and the crew of Enterprise, I got the urge to add a few more
MM> rules...:
MM> 8. If a dangerous solution to a problem, haven't been tested before,
MM> try one of the following commands: "Redirect Power..." or
MM> "Reverse Polarity..."
MM>
MM> 9. If access to a high-level-security-system or area is impossible,
MM> try the ventilation duct or the loose access-panel right next
MM> to it.
MM>
MM> 10. If your ships highly sophisticated automatic controls are unable
MM> to cope with an unnatural cosmic fenomenon, try flying it
MM> better manually!
And I've got a couple, as well:
11. The use of fuses and circuit breakers is strictly prohibited!
12. All manual overrides must be electronically operated.
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Msg : 220 of 384
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .òp 30 .àé 95 07:02
To : Pamela Crossett
Subj : Highlander
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Quoth Pamela Crossett, "Nevermore".
PC> God I hate to sound illiterate, but then I hated almost all of
PC> Shakespeare's tragedies. So just how did Banquo disappear?
He evaporated. Banquo was a ghost...
PC> About how long, chronologically, would you estimate Duncan and Anne's
PC> went on (for it's abysmally short period) anyway?
Perhaps four months, five on the outside.
PC> I will look forward to both. He was great.
PC> Was he ever in the series before this season's two-parter?
He first appeared in "Methos", the third episode in the "Song of the
Executioner" storyline.
PC> What is "the contract" - Fox's contract w/Adrian Paul, the owners of
PC> the Highlander concepts contract w/Fox?? What?
The production contract guaranteed four years of episodes. We are now
going to enter the fourth year. No word has been made on whether or not
there will be a year five.
PC> Come on - give me a hint.
PC> Actually, give me more than a hint. I want all the details. I want it
PC> all. Can you arrange that?
Okay, I won't go into detail, but: at least one of the current crop
of characters is *not* going to survive into the next season. Also, MacLeod
is going to get a bit edgier, a bit darker. Not surprising considering
everything he has gone through lately...
Jack Butler
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Msg : 221 of 384
From : Dan Kachoogian 1:107/953 .òp 30 .àé 95 11:00
To : ROBERT LIDGREN
Subj : Re: SLIDERS KILLED TOO!!
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
*** Quoting ROBERT LIDGREN to ALL ***
RL> I wonder if Babylon 5, ST Voyager, ST Deep Space 9 and X-Files
RL> will now be
RL> cancelled too so the networks can bring back "Lost in Space: The
RL> 90's
RL> edition": AAARRRRGhhhhhhhh!!!
Comparing basic premise alone, isn't ST:V the SAME SHOW as Lost in Space?
-Dan
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Msg : 222 of 384
From : Jeff Schlenker 1:288/19 .òp 30 .àé 95 11:24
To : ROBERT LIDGREN
Subj : Re: EARTH 2/SO LONG
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-=> ROBERT LIDGREN was overheard speaking to JEFF SCHLENKER <=-
-> Yea, I liked it as well. When it first came on, I wasn't too impressed, bu
-> I kept watching and I guess it sorta grew on me.
RL> Let's hope down the line something from a non-Star Trek universe can
RL> succeed and do so in a powerful way. I guess X-Files demonstrates that
RL> such fare is possible and can be produced with innovative scripts and
RL> with characters who have a tremendous charisma.
There *is* one thing we can be pleased about. At least more shows are
getting a chance (albeit a small chance sometimes). It wasn't long ago
when Star Trek was the *only* show of the genre that seemed to be
accepted.
Jeff
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Msg : 223 of 384
From : Paul Worley 1:2601/515 .òp 30 .àé 95 15:25
To : all
Subj :
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Anybody know when GENERATIONS will be coming out on video?
Paul
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Msg : 224 of 384
From : Joel Jessup 1:2613/105 .òp 30 .àé 95 22:43
To : Arsenal
Subj : SeaQuest DSV
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Sadly, no. I generally don't hear much on Seaquest before the rest of the
world. (IMHO, I don't think NBC knows: a) What they want to do with the show
and b) what they're doing period)
I do scan the web for Star Trek related items, but haven't come across any site
that touches upon Seaquest. If I do, I'll let you know.
JGJ
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Msg : 225 of 384
From : David Johnston 1:342/14 .pä 31 .àé 95 01:24
To : Frank Eva
Subj : Voyager Nose Diving?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> DJ "Frankly I don't find Chakotay and Janeway particularly youthful
-> in DJ "their appearance or their demeanor. Paris, Kim, Torres and
-> Tuvok DJ "are fairly youthful, or more accurately give that
-> impression. DJ "Essentially this means that we have three mature
-> starship officers DJ "and four young adult starship officers. I
-> don't see the problem.
-> I agree, Chakotay and Janeway are not the ones I was referring to. I
-> don't have a complete answer to this question, but I do know that to
-> me, this series is going rapidly downhill. In addition to bad writing
-> and constantly trying to retell old stories, I find the demographics
-> of the crew unappealing. You have no problem with this... I do...
So, you don't like Paris and Kim?
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Msg : 226 of 384
From : Chris Carter 1:105/302.23 .pä 31 .àé 95 03:54
To : Jack Butler
Subj : Kosh's Karaoke machine
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
JB> You sick, sick little monkey.
I always take Dramamine before I go swinging from branches. ;~)
Chris - carter@teleport.com
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Msg : 227 of 384
From : Rumble 1:163/436 .pä 31 .àé 95 06:42
To : Pramod Korathota
Subj : The New Sq Series..
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
I heard that next year there will be a mix of wierd and sci-fi plots. that
should be excellent!
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Msg : 228 of 384
From : Rumble 1:163/436 .pä 31 .àé 95 06:45
To : Frank Eva
Subj : SeaQuest Survives
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
The plot are suppost to swing back to sci-fi next year so try to tune in.
--- Maximus 2.02
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Msg : 229 of 384
From : Karmin St.jean 1:321/309 .pä 31 .àé 95 12:17
To : Morten M.nsson
Subj : MY FRIEND MAX
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
> Can anybody tell me, what the difference is between the UK and the
> US
> versions of the show. Are there different actors? Different
> episodes? Or..??
>
> If anyone has a short episode listing from either version,
> preferably both, you will be included in my bedtime prayers! ;-)
YES! The major difference is in Bryce Lynch, Max's creator.
In the British film version that was made for Cinemax, Bryce was downright
evil. For example, when Grossman (called Grossberg in the tv series) told Bryce
that Edison had gotten "Too damned close twice already." Bryce replied. "Well,
fire him. Or you could always kill him." as if it were the same as tossing out
an old newspaper rather than an ol' news reporter. Also in that version Bryce
was portrayed by actor Paul Spurrier (who hasn't been heard from since!)
In the American made for ABC version, Bryce was played by Chris Young. He wasn't
evil, in this version, he merely had trouble coping with emotions and people who
displayed them because he'd grown up in front of a tv screen and a computer and
didn't seem to have any of his own. He was probably a borderline sociopath
because of his sheltered upbringing, but he wasn't evil. For example, he didn't
suggest killing Edison like Paul's Bryce did.
Other cast changes:
Breughal:
ABC: Jere Burns
ENGLAND: Hilton McRae (not the same as Major Dad, I don't think.)
Murray:
ABC: Jeffrey Tambor
can't recall the one who played him in the English version.
Cheviot:
ABC: George Coe
again, I forget who played him in the English version.
Also, in the end of the British version of Max Headroom Bryce and Grossberg were
both cornered by Edison while in the American version Bryce helped Edison and
became friends with him, even to the point in saving his life during the
"Neurospin" episode. Note: Neurospin means "Head Trip" and refers to the
hallucination Edison had, not to the bracelet he was wearing that caused it. and
in the British version Max ended up in the hands of Big Time TV.
I hope that answers your quetion.
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Msg : 230 of 384
From : Karmin St.jean 1:321/309 .pä 31 .àé 95 12:19
To : Robert Lidgren
Subj : MY FRIEND MAX
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
> The US version was cast with entirely different actors, as I recall.
> The only
> hold-over was the actor who played Max. The British version was
> much better.
> It had a grittier feel to it and a somewhat darker tone. The humour
> was more
> sophisticated. Here in Canada we saw the entire run of both
> versions so I can
> speak from direct knowledge.
Actually, Amanda Pays and G.W. Morgan (Theora and Blank Reg) were also held
over from the series.
I feel sorry for Paul Spurrier and Chris Young, though. Bryce Lynch was a jinxed
role.
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Msg : 231 of 384
From : Kay Shapero 1:102/524 .pä 31 .àé 95 13:08
To : Tony Trujillo
Subj : Re: Sliders Continuity
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On , Tony Trujillo (1:280/9) wrote to K.c. Jones:
TT>Looks like the show hasn't been renewed by FOX at this time
TT>but there's hope that it will be picked up as a summer
TT>replacement OR by another network. I'm not counting SLIDERS
TT>out yet but I'm crossing my fingers that it will slide back
TT>onto television in the future.
They'll have to do it pretty quickly, or the cast will have scattered to the
winds (I really doubt John Rhys-Davies will be available for long...) Of course
if they do I do have one little suggestion...
...lose the dog
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Msg : 232 of 384
From : Kay Shapero 1:102/524 .pä 31 .àé 95 13:10
To : Frank Eva
Subj : Confessions & Lamentation
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On , Frank Eva (1:154/750) wrote to All:
FE> SPOILER ALERT!!!
FE> __________
FE> / _________ \
FE> / / \ \
FE> ------------------------------------------------
FE> / ______________________________________________ \
FE> / / \ \
FE> / / \ \
FE>
FE> \ \ / /
FE>
FE> \ \ ____________________ / /
FE> \ \ l------------------- /
FE> \ \ / /
FE> / \ / \
FE> / / \ \ ____________ / / \ \
FE> / / \ \ l----------- / \ \
FE> / / / \ / \ \ \
FE> / / / /\ \ / /\ \ \ \
FE> \ \_____/ / \ \ / / \ \_____/ /
FE> \________/ \ \________/ / \________/
FE> \__________/
FE>like MedLab, Sheridan said... "I can't let you out". If the
FE>disease truly was "airborn", why would it have made any difference
FE>to let Delenn and Lennier out, since EVERYONE had already been exposed?
There are degrees of exposure, and theirs would certainly have been higher.
However I suspect the real reason would be political - everybody on the station
was afraid of catching it too and they'd be in serious danger if they left again
before there was a cure, evidence they were not suceptable, or both.
FE>2. Now that the Markabs have been totally wiped out, we viewers
FE>are deprived of what seemed to be a very interesting race of aliens.
And the Babylon 5 universe of one more slant of view on the universe. A bit
loss all around. You'll note that that news announcer said that there were
probably surviving individuals in remote places, but the Markab civilization was
dead; maybe some of these survivors will pop up later.
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Msg : 233 of 384
From : Kay Shapero 1:102/524 .pä 31 .àé 95 13:19
To : Frank Eva
Subj : Knives
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On , Frank Eva (1:154/750) wrote to Richard Yamagata:
[Knives, also Confessions and Lamentations]
FE> SPOILER ALERT!!!
FE> __________
FE> / _________ \
FE> / / \ \
FE> ------------------------------------------------
FE> / ______________________________________________ \
FE> / / \ \
FE> / / \ \
FE>
FE> \ \ / /
FE>
FE> \ \ ____________________ / /
FE> \ \ l------------------- /
FE> \ \ / /
FE> / \ / \
FE> / / \ \ ____________ / / \ \
FE> / / \ \ l----------- / \ \
FE> / / / \ / \ \ \
FE> / / / /\ \ / /\ \ \ \
FE> \ \_____/ / \ \ / / \ \_____/ /
FE> \________/ \ \________/ / \________/
FE> \__________/
FE>to me, it was also a "throwaway", just like "Confessions and
FE>Lamentations". I know how hard this must be, especially when JMS
FE>uses other writers who don't have a full comprehension of the 5 year
FE>B5 story arc, but I wish he would reveal more of the main story arc
FE>with each new episode...
By the very nature of things, we don't know for sure just how much of the story
arc is really effected by an episode. Both of the above involve strong
character focus, and changes to the environment as a whole be it the political
repercussions of Londo's live opera plot in Knives, or the loss of an entire
civilization in "Confessions". The effects THIS could have are many and varied.
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Msg : 234 of 384
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .pä 31 .àé 95 16:01
To : Pamela Crossett
Subj : Highlander, The Series
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Quoth Pamela Crossett, "Nevermore".
PC> but i did rent highlander 3 and saw those two tessa episodes. i've
PC> rented everything that says highlander, including the infamous episode
PC> 2. i'll watch it all.
For the record, that is *not* Highlander 3, was never intended to *be*
Highlander 3, and should not be thought of as Highlander 3. What it is, on
the other hand, is the first of the episode releases on videotape.
The rest of the episodes will be released in fits and spurts over the
next several years.
Jack Butler
Highlander Guru
... "Eternal peace. I hope she finds it." -- Michael Moore
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Msg : 235 of 384
From : Rumble 1:163/436 .pä 31 .àé 95 16:13
To : David Johnston
Subj : Voyager Nose Diving?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Well when it comes to TNG you seem to hate all the most popular people!
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Msg : 236 of 384
From : Kay Shapero 1:102/524 .pä 31 .àé 95 17:43
To : Jack Butler
Subj : Confessions et. al.
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On , Jack Butler (1:363/309) wrote to John Kahane:
JB> The rat-bastards who run WOFL, FOX 35 decided that
JB>Confessions and Lamentations was just a bit too intense, so they
JB>re-ran Knives instead.
Sheesh! Those Shadows are everywhere!
(If you can, get hold of a tape - it was a good episode despite temptations to
get more than a bit heavy handed.)
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Msg : 237 of 384
From : Debra Milner 1:112/285 .pä 31 .àé 95 18:42
To : Frank Glover
Subj : X-Files Finale
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
> DM> How DID Mulder get out of that car?
> We don't know how, or even *if.* That's the cliff-hanger...
You mean......it's like "who shot JR"? and the to-be-continued is NEXT season?
I HATE when they do that....
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Msg : 238 of 384
From : Myra I Fox 1:123/10 .pä 31 .àé 95 19:10
To : Jack Butler
Subj : Highlander Schedule
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-=>Quoting Jack Butler to Myra I Fox<=-
MIF> Oh, I didn't know she was definitely gone... I figured that she would
MIF> come back into the storyline later... oh, well .
JB> It is beginning to look like she may actually show up for an
JB> episode or two in the fourth season.
It isn't that I particularly liked her - I just liked the idea of
a strong female interest in the story.
I like Amanda and I do hope they don't kill her off the way most
of Duncan's friends have been done away with... I would like to
see some of the 'good' Immortals hang around even if they are not
directly in the show. I liked Darius and thought he was a very
interesting variation. I also liked Hugh FitzCairn and I enjoyed
him showing up in more than one episode. Maybe Methos and Amanda
will hang around.
JB> BTW, the premiere of the 4th season is being directed by Adrian
JB> Paul, and will feature several scenes which were filmed in Scotland.
That will be interesting... does this season end on a cliffhanger
or do we find out the outcome of the fight? I know, Saturday
I'll see for myself .
... "Never over-extend your thrust..." -- Ramirez
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Msg : 239 of 384
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .pä 31 .àé 95 22:35
To : STEVEN WESEN
Subj : EARTH 2/SO LONG
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> Not me this series is not what the fans I knew wanted and the Writing was
-> not seasoned enough to draw in watchers.
-> I thought it might be good when I first saw the Pilot but it look more like
-> a Paranoid Lost in Space and Yates was the Robot "warning , warning this
-> show lacks"
I sympathize with your feelings. I felt that way too, at times. I guess I
just WISH the whole enterprise would have packed a more powerful PUNCH. And,
I'm sure the people working on the series worked their hearts out trying to
make it a success. Oh well, it wasn't a waste of time and it does teach us
lessons. I just hope that non-Star Trek universe series can thrive. We need
all the variety possible.
Cheers,
Robert Lidgren
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Msg : 240 of 384
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .pä 31 .àé 95 22:41
To : STEVEN WESEN
Subj : EARTH 2/SO LONG
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> When Fans accept formula plot and writing subtext then you see the results.
-> Potential will never be reached because that would envolve and effort to
-> create and not follow formula.Here Lies Earth 2 a victem of its own
-> shortsidness.
You are right but not totally. I'm sure plenty of fans would also look forward
to soemthing really new, innovative and challnging in a science fiction series.
I am old enough to remember watching The Outer Limits and Rod Serling's The
Twilight Zone and even "One Step Beyond" when I was a kid. MANY of those
stories were a challenge and were breaking new ground.
People who read science fiction stories and novels have been able to get far,
far beyond ray-guns in outer space. I think many would support damn good
writing and production values in the 1990's too.
Now, do you think any networks will be willing to take more chances?
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Msg : 241 of 384
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .pä 31 .àé 95 22:46
To : DEBRA MILNER
Subj : EARTH 2/SO LONG
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> the majority of the supplies.....couple that with the fact that a good
-> portion of the group, who had their own pecking order and owed no loyalty to
-> the colony "leader", had no intentions of ever staying on the surface of the
-> planet, and I should think that leadership WOULD be ambiguous until things
-> could settle out.....
-> Many just didn't give the series a chance. The plotline developed into one
-> that I think was becoming fairly strong and complex....by the time many came
-> back to see a second or third episode, they were lost, not having followed
-> the various threads from the beginning.
Your thoughts show great understanding. All that you say is plausible. One of
the reasons this conference or "echo" keeps my interest is because people like
you hang around here and say things that make me think and, often, reassess my
perceptions.
The fact that an Earth 2 "Post Mortem" should generate quite a bit of input
makes me think that it wasn't a total botched job and despite the critics I
believe it was fixable.
I'm always keen to read what you have to say. By the way where do you live?
I am typing from Calgary, Alberta Canada (yeh, that place due north of
Montana).
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Msg : 242 of 384
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .pä 31 .àé 95 22:48
To : STEVEN WESEN
Subj : SLIDERS KILLED TOO!!
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> Where did you get your information?
-> I Know that Sliders was a mid season replacement for Party of Five but it
-> did better than in in ratings .
My source was an article in The Globe and Mail, a newspaper published out of
Toronto.
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Msg : 243 of 384
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .pä 31 .àé 95 22:50
To : SEAN MCCORMICK
Subj : SLIDERS KILLED TOO!!
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> I think the cancelation of Earth 2 and Sliders was a real STUPID
-> mistake.Earth 2 was one of my favorites,still deciding about Sliders,I
-> mainly liked the idea of inter-dimensional travel.
-> Sean McCormick
Hi Sean! Yes, this was an unwelcome event. I agree with you that
demise of Sliders was a BIGGER shock. That show was a delight and I hope the
idea of a mid-season replacemnt isn't beyond the realm of possibility. Let's
keep our fingers crossed!
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Msg : 244 of 384
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .pä 31 .àé 95 22:53
To : FRANK EVA
Subj : SLIDERS KILLED TOO!!
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> RL>Is there any GOOD NEWS out there???
->
-> Yes... VR5 was also cancelled! :-)
Frank! You just made me spill my coffee-I was laughing so hard. Good one!
A sense of humour is a terrific anodyne and that's especially needed these
days.
We need to remember these are just TV shows! A bike ride with my nine-year-old
will always be a much bigger deal for me.
Cheers,
Robert Lidgren
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Msg : 245 of 384
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .pä 31 .àé 95 22:56
To : MORTEN M.NSSON
Subj : MY FRIEND MAX
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> Amazing! I never knew, that there were another version. Was it anygood or
-> did it become to "camp"? Since the British version never was released on
-> cassettes, do you know if the US version is available on cassettes.
Gee, I'm not sure if it is or not. I do know I RENTED a videocassette of the
first two hours of the Britsih series a few years ago. The title: simply "Max
Headroom."
Frewer? Yes, I rember that now. He has been in a few televsion shows since
then but I would imagine Max was the character which keeps him in our minds.
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Msg : 246 of 384
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .pä 31 .àé 95 22:58
To : ALL
Subj : ROSWELL INFO?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
I think HBO or one of the other U.S. cable networks broadcast "Roswell" about
the UFO crash in New Mexico in 1947. I haven't seen it yet. Can you let me
know what you thought of it?
Cheers,
Robert Lidgren
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Msg : 247 of 384
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .pä 31 .àé 95 23:02
To : MORTEN M.NSSON
Subj : X-FILES EPISODE LIST
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
I think you are referring to the episode guide I posted. I'd be happy to send
it along. Would you mind giving me your e-mail address or refresh me on
netmail. So far I've only used my local provider to read SFFAN and reply to
messages as well as sending things off to Internet addresses.
Cheers,
Robert Lidgren
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Msg : 248 of 384
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .pä 31 .àé 95 23:04
To : FRANK EVA
Subj : X-Files Stuff
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Frank, did you get the X-Files espisode guides and other X-Files things I
posted?
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Msg : 249 of 384
From : John Harrington 1:326/406 .åò 01 .þí 95 00:38
To : Karmin St.jean
Subj : MAX VIDITAPES
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
KS> Hi, Doc!
KS> Don't know if you mean *me* but I've got some Max Headroom (8 Eps.)
Cool! Could you send me your E-mail adress, I'm at
john.harrington@acornbbs.com
I can send you tapes, and money for shipping and all.
-The Doc-
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Msg : 250 of 384
From : John Harrington 1:326/406 .åò 01 .þí 95 00:38
To : Tony Trujillo
Subj : SLIDERS
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
TT> This is true. Speaking of SLIDERS, to be totally realistic
TT> they haven't really slid into a "high improbability" Earth
TT> as of yet....I mean something that REALLY changes earth
TT> history like....what if the Dinosaurs never became extinct?
TT> How would this affect man's development? How about an earth
TT> were evolution took a whole different path? Now that would
TT> make for an interesting episode! :^)
Ah, but you forget the one all-powerful, quantum rule of
Sliders: FX budget!
(Then again, since Jurasic Park, CDI tech has dropped
considerably in price, and the spider/wasps were pretty cool! To
bad Sliders is allmost all video toaster effects)
-The Doc-
"Imagine a world, where Jimmy Carter is god..."- yet another
rejected
"Sliders"
plot...
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Msg : 251 of 384
From : John Harrington 1:326/406 .åò 01 .þí 95 00:38
To : Tony Limbert
Subj : SLIDERS SEASON FINALE
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
TL> Damn... and to think that I was beginning to LIKE Quinn.
Uuuuuuuugh....
Just let me say, that if that yuppie slime is supposed to take
Quin's place, the casters are complete morons. No Quin, means no one
to fix the silly slide box, and no slide box, means the danged series
burns on for ever in simple, "we have to escape this world!" plots, lead
by tight tips, the nearly euthanized yuppy.
There, that's my anger, now for the plus side:
Maybe that cliff hanger was just put in to scare us, so when Quin
survives, we'll all be happy. (didn't work for Ross Perot) Next, maybe
a soft wousey who comes from a peaceful, happy world, will be more fu-
filling, when he actually has to stand up and save the group. (A bit
a hatred and disrespect from Arturo and Rembrant would be cool at first,
since Quin did sacrifice himself for, uh, what's his name, Sparky,
the cianide boy) Next, the death of a character reminds us that bad things
can ACTUALLY happen. (I they just could have done it at ANY other time than
now, since we all know he left over money, not plot)
Then, comes the Ranger theory: I was stuck babysitting a hyper 10
year old, who loved the PowerRangers, and made me watch the thing every
day of the two weeks I was there. As anyone who has seen the show knows,
the plots just loop, repeating the monster arrrives-monster fights-monster
loses scenario over and over, and all I could think, was wouldn't it be
cool if say, a Ranger got killed, maybe three of them while we're at it,
and the last two are all demoralized, and have to fight desperately, alone.
That would be so scarry, since we all know that the silly plots just loop,
with no change.
Apply this to Sliders, and it would be cool, even with just a few
left, who don't believe they'll ever get home, and who have to find something
new, a new goal, to keep from manic depression.
Okay, it might still suk, but at least it would keep the show fresh.
Doomed struggle is part of what's kept the X-files going so long.
last line: the only thing that would ruin the "half are dead" kind
of theme, is if they teamed up two who get along great, like Sparky and
Wade. For this idea, Sparky and Rembrant would be more appropriate, since
they have no chemistry, and would surprise us with any team work.
Anyway, the show needs work to keep us all watching, and I wish they
didn't have to "kill off" Quin, that kind of merciles slaughter is what
made Alien3 such a bomb.
Thanks for reading this enormous post':)
-The Doc-
"Oh no! Wade's dog peed' on the slide-box!"
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Msg : 252 of 384
From : John Harrington 1:326/406 .åò 01 .þí 95 00:38
To : Tony Trujillo
Subj : SLIDERS CONTINUITY
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
TT> Not always...some shows just disappear off the face of the
TT> earth without the benefit of a "goodbye" show.
Some get a season finale, that never get picked up later, like
"Alien nation", which set up the big threat of disease among the newcomers,
and then, thphphphph, gone. They didn't resolve that thread till five
years later, when Fox inexplicably made a two hour episode, that finished
the plot off. It had taken so long, I forgot about the finale all together,
until the Sci-Fi channel aired the "they pulled the plug!" marathon.
-The Doc-
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Msg : 253 of 384
From : Tony Trujillo 1:280/9 .åò 01 .þí 95 03:15
To : Frank Eva
Subj : Re: SeaQuest Survives
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: GE 1.11+
>> Lucas...
FE>> He's become just another Wesley Crusher, always saving the day...
FE>> TT> "I guess that's what the "kids" want...
FE> Yeah, and isn't it sad when demographics rules what we see on TV? I was
FE> perfectly happy with the first season, but when the new producer decided
FE> to target a different audience, he lost me...
I think he might have lost a good majority of people who
made it possible for SEAQUEST to continue. I'm no sure who's
watching SEAQUEST right now but I do know that nobody that I
know (who loved the first season of the show) watches the
show anymore.
... "Oh bother!" said Pooh, as his "lock-on" indicator wailed
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Msg : 254 of 384
From : Nicolai Shapero 1:102/524 .åò 01 .þí 95 04:29
To : Frank Eva
Subj : Harlan Ellison
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On , Frank Eva (1:154/750) wrote to Todd Sullivan:
FE>He is supposed to be working on a B5 adaptation of "The Glass
FE>Hand"
FE>(which, BTW, I've never read). From the length of time is seems
FE>to be
FE>taking to bring this episode to the screen, it would seem that
FE>he's back
FE>to his old tricks (aka "City on the Edge of Forever")...
He was, in theory, working on a sequel to the Outer Limits episode, "DEMON WITH
A GLASS HAND" entitled "DEMON ON THE RUN" for B5. But I haven't heard anything
about this lately (no news is good news?)
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Msg : 255 of 384
From : Jeff Kovach 1:114/318 .åò 01 .þí 95 15:50
To : Demian Katz
Subj : Re: X-FILES konference??
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On 31 May 95 18:35:17 Demian Katz wrote...
DK> > Can anybody please confirm, or the opposite ;-(, the rumour about,
DK> > there being a seperate X-Files konference called - plainly: X-FILES
DK> > ??
DK> There is one, but to my knowledge it isn't backboned, and is thus
DK> only available in a limited area.
To which Jeff Kovach replies...
Incorrect - it is backboned.
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Msg : 256 of 384
From : J Hulley-Miller 1:107/330 .pä 31 .àé 95 15:39
To : Patrick Long
Subj : FUBS
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Felicitations Patrick!
Monday May 29 1995 20:12, Patrick Long wrote to J Hulley-miller:
>PL> Salutations!
JH-=>> Is the FUB Squad still active ? tnx.
>PL> We're still active over in Science Fiction...
There was a move ? Or did I have the wrong conference completely ?
jhm@cnj.digex.net
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Msg : 257 of 384
From : J Hulley-Miller 1:107/330 .pä 31 .àé 95 15:44
To : Morten M.nsson
Subj : FUBS
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Greetings Morten!
Tuesday May 30 1995 00:21, Morten MÆnsson wrote to All:
JH>> Is the FUB Squad still active ? tnx.
>MM> Sounds interesting!
>MM> Can I have some info, please?
The acronym is 'Fidonet Used Book Squad'. Its a group of people that keep an eye
out for books. So if there are books that are very difficult/impossible for you
to find. They keep an eye out for them. If found, you pay the cost + shipping
and get the book :)
jhm@cnj.digex.net
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Msg : 258 of 384
From : Jeff Schlenker 1:288/19 .òp 30 .àé 95 23:47
To : Chip Garner
Subj : Re: Star Trek
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-=> Chip Garner was overheard speaking to All <=-
CG> Any Star Trek Voyager Fans out there? I think Nelix sucks at acting.
CG> Tuvok kicks butt as a Vulcan though!!!
CG> Tell me what YOU think...
Hmmm, I thought the actor playing Neelix was very good. And as far as
NewSpock, I mean Tuvok, is concerned. Well he's just that, another
Spock. Thus far, anyway. I expect Tim Russ to make the part more
distinctive as the series progresses.
Jeff
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Msg : 259 of 384
From : Jeff Schlenker 1:288/19 .òp 30 .àé 95 23:51
To : Sean McCormick
Subj : Re: White Dwarf
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-=> Sean McCormick was overheard speaking to All <=-
SM> It's been almost a week since the White Dwarf showing,and I haven't
SM> seen a single message about it.I liked the show myself.The tissue
SM> gloves were most amazing.
Well, I must admit that I just couldn't get into it. After about 45
minutes, I shut the tape off. I don't know, maybe I missed something,
but to me it was generally boring.
Jeff
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Msg : 260 of 384
From : Evan Malik 1:209/224 .pä 31 .àé 95 14:05
To : ROBERT LIDGREN
Subj : Re: EARTH 2/SO LONG
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.40 7171
-=> Quoting ROBERT LIDGREN to EVAN MALIK <=-
RL> Hey, Earth 2 was cancelled and now Sliders has been too! Go figure.
RL> Just what do the networks want-nothing but SITCOMS???!!! I mean
RL> sitcoms are safe and non-threatening entertainemnt fare but damn good
RL> dramas should be given a chance too. The ARE more RISKY. They do
RL> require a greater intellectual involvement but, in the end, I think we
RL> walk away more enriched. Just one man's opinion but Earth 2 and
RL> Sliders should have been retained at least for a second season.
Hi there Robert,
Well it seems as if you are right. Give us a unique series where the viewer
has to think, or even worse, pay attention, and the networks are more than
likely to kill it. Once these bean counters who sit behind thier desks
relize that shows like these are the exact audience (i.e. thier advertisers
most likely clients) they are looking for I'm afraid that good quality
science television-that lasts more than a season-will be few and far between.
As I see it there is simply no way to accuralty determine the audience with the
stupid way ratings are taken now. The only way to accuratly determine viewer
ship is to hook a box to EVERYONES TV and see who is really watching what. I
remember reading that a few months after NBC cancelled Star Trek for the last
time, the ratings were redone and -surprise- it showed Star Trek was the #1
rated show for the demographics NBC was after. Who's to say the current system
is any more accurate? Have you ever seen an election where poll after poll
shows somebody winning by a large margin, only to have the underdog win it?
TV ratings are a crapshoot just like that. Anybody know where I can write
the neilson company so I can be surveyed? :)
Evan
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Msg : 261 of 384
From : Barry Blaes 1:107/960 .pä 31 .àé 95 15:39
To : Andrew Clarke
Subj : Not SLIDERS
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.41/g 8167
On 27 May 95 08:35pm, Andrew Clarke wrote to Barry Blaes:
AC> How would I go about doing that if I'm not on any services like AOL or
AC> Compuserve and don't have an Internet address?
Hows about writing to the network...?
End Barry's log, StarDate 9772.76. InterNet: Btblaes@ix.netcom.com.
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Msg : 262 of 384
From : Tony Trujillo 1:280/9 .åò 01 .þí 95 23:25
To : Kay Shapero
Subj : Re: Sliders Continuity
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: GE 1.11+
TT>>replacement OR by another network. I'm not counting SLIDERS
TT>>out yet but I'm crossing my fingers that it will slide back
TT>>onto television in the future.
KS> They'll have to do it pretty quickly, or the cast will have
KS> scattered to the winds (I really doubt John Rhys-Davies
KS> will be available for long...)
He's really the only actor the show can't really
afford to lose. My enjoyment of the series would be greatly
diminished if JRD is out of the series.
KS> Of course if they do I do have one little suggestion...
KS> ...lose the dog
I rolled my eyes when the dog leaped into the "bridge"
portal. I wouldn't have even considered taking the dog with
me when his barking gave away Wade's position behind the
curtain to the members of the LottoPolice.
... Ok Space Cadets! Prepare to hurtle through the cosmos!
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Msg : 263 of 384
From : Tony Trujillo 1:280/9 .ÿò 02 .þí 95 01:51
To : John Harrington
Subj : Re: SLIDERS CONTINUITY
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: GE 1.11+
JH> Some get a season finale, that never get picked up later, like
JH> "Alien nation", which set up the big threat of disease among the
JH> newcomers, and then, thphphphph, gone. They didn't resolve that thread
JH> till five years later, when Fox inexplicably made a two hour episode,
JH> that finished the plot off.
I'm glad they finally decided to give that show another
chance at life...even as a occasional two hour movie. I
really loved the show and was really upset when they did
decide to cancel the show with a major cliffhanger like
that. All of the actors looked pretty close to what they
looked like when the series ended except for the young
actress who played Emily.
... Is HELL is a infinite stack of XANTH novels?! :^)
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Msg : 264 of 384
From : VINCENT MCCONNELL 1:2601/574 .îí 22 .àé 95 23:27
To : SEAN MCCORMICK
Subj : Re: White Dwarf
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
|Sean|, of sept |Mccormick'ashain|, spoke thusly::
SM>
SM> It's been almost a week since the White Dwarf showing,and I haven't
SM> seen a single message about it.I liked the show myself.The tissue
SM> gloves were most amazing.
SM> Sean McCormick
WHITE DWARF was convoluted, hard to follow, drab, dull, interesting only
in a few respects, with a creative facade slapped on a generic plot.
I found myself staring at the ceiling in the middle of major plot points,
for no reason other than entertainment.
... DMs love a hero; DMs also love a good joke. Think about it.
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Msg : 265 of 384
From : Un Young Park 1:153/859 .åò 25 .àé 95 04:56
To : James Walton
Subj : Re: Purpose of ST-DSN & ST-V
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Overquoting a message from James Walton to Denis Lamy...
JW> Think about it. "These are the voyages of the Starship
JW> Enterprise..."
JW> A spacestation doesn't voyage, it sits and waits for something to
JW> happen. And the spacestation wasn't even built by/for the
JW> Federation!
JW>
Well they can still have Avery Brooks voicing over something to the extent
of "...as we stand guard at the gateway to the gamma quad..." But I would think
that kind of gimmicky voice over would just be that a gimmick...
JW> As far as Voyager goes, I have never seen it, but since the show
JW> isn't about a planned trip, not too much can be said.
JW>
And the same could be said for Voyager "...as we continue our journey
home..." And once again it would sound like they were just trying to cash in on
the success of ST:TOS and ST:TNG...
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Msg : 266 of 384
From : Mark Jones 1:105/302.47 .òp 30 .àé 95 21:37
To : Earl Green
Subj : SLIDERS SEASON FINALE
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (28 May 95) Earl Green wrote to Frank Eva...
EG> You do have to admit, though, Rhys-Davies was a BIG part of that
EG> show's appeal. I most emphatically did NOT like Quinn or Wade
EG> when the show started up; I got to where I liked Wade two or
EG> three episodes in, and I was finally starting to like Quinn just
EG> as they offed him. But Arturo and Rembrandt had me hooked - if
EG> not for them, I wouldn't have stuck around for the first hourly
EG> episode.
Really? I wanted nothing from that show so much as to see Rembrandt
die an exquisitely painful and prolonged death. (When he was being
taken to the "Municipal Processing Center" in the last episode for
execution, I was *cheering* the cops.)
... "A democracy in which votes are not secured by arms is a farce." H. B. Piper
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Msg : 267 of 384
From : Mark Jones 1:105/302.47 .òp 30 .àé 95 21:42
To : Starwolf
Subj : B5 Baseball
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (27 May 95) Starwolf wrote to Chris Carter...
S > I wondered about that. In the opening film, you've got the captain
S > commenting to Deleen that it was real tricky, what with the huge space
S > needed for life support and other essential functions, to have this
S > teeny, tiny space set aside for a Zen garden.
S >
S > But they had the room to spare for a baseball diamond???
S >
S > Must have been written by a baseball fan.
Not necessarily--but the station *designers* may have been baseball
fans. EarthForce seems to be strongly influenced by (if not descended
from) the American government and culture. Americans, as a whole, are
bigger fans of baseball than of zen. So when they had X cubic meters
of space left over after building all the essential bits, they had a
choice to make: devote most of it to a baseball diamond, or a zen
garden?
The choice was obvious....
... God, please grant me more patience...RIGHT NOW!
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Msg : 268 of 384
From : Mark Jones 1:105/302.47 .òp 30 .àé 95 21:46
To : Pamela Crossett
Subj : Highlander
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (27 May 95) Pamela Crossett wrote to Jack Butler...
PC> JB> Also, there are supposedly "big changes" in store for the show.
PC>
PC> Come on - give me a hint.
PC> Actually, give me more than a hint. I want all the details. I
PC> want it all. Can you arrange that?
It looks to *me* like the "big changes" will consist of someone
letting the immortal cat out of the watchers' bag.
Even if 99% of the public reads about head-hunting immortals amongst
us and then laughs and says, "Yeah--right," that last one percent
could be a real problem. Consider Duncan MacLeod, for instance.
He's in the Watcher database for Europe, complete with bio and
picture. Presumably many (if not all) of his battles are on file,
including who he capped and when and where.
If the French government were to begin checking out reports of
headless bodies found around France and comparing them to Duncan's
file...well, they'd find a very hard-to-shrug-off correlation. He
might have some explaining to do.
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Msg : 269 of 384
From : Mark Jones 1:105/302.47 .òp 30 .àé 95 21:52
To : Brian Henderson
Subj : Old Vs New
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (20 May 95) Brian Henderson wrote to Frank Eva...
BH> But I *LIKE* stupid movies as well as the old 30s serials. In
BH> fact, I have dozens of them on tape... Buck Rogers, Flash Gordon,
BH> Radar Men on the Moon, etc. It's an acquired taste, certainly,
BH> but one worth cultivating IMO.
I certainly agree.
"Do you, Ming the Merciless, take this woman to be your empress of the
hour?"
"Of the hour? Yes."
"Do you promise to use her as you will?"
"Certainly!"
"Not to blast her into space?" (Ming glares) "Uh...until such time as
you grow weary of her?"
"I do...."
... "...with the blood of patriots AND TYRANTS." T. Jefferson
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Msg : 270 of 384
From : Starwolf 1:163/214 .pä 31 .àé 95 22:03
To : Tony Trujillo
Subj : Re: Sliders Continuity
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
TT>Glad to see that they decided to give SLIDERS a chance as a
TT>regular series on their line up. I haven't been too excited
Last day or so has seen newspapers reporting that the series had been
shot down by FOX. I do wish the REAL story would come out, once and for
all.
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Msg : 271 of 384
From : David Johnston 1:342/14 .åò 01 .þí 95 01:01
To : Chip Garner
Subj : Star Trek
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> Any Star Trek Voyager Fans out there? I think Nelix sucks at acting.
-> Tuvok kicks butt as a Vulcan though!!!
I think you are confusing being a good actor with being a good
character. Neelix is a weaselly loser and I think that the actor is
portraying a weaselly loser very believably. Now think about this: do
you dislike Neelix because the actor's demeanor and deliver aren't right
for his lines? (Which would be bad acting). Or do you just dislike him
for being a repellent character?
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Msg : 272 of 384
From : Pamela Crossett 1:325/118 .åò 01 .þí 95 04:10
To : Gloria Darcy
Subj : Highlander, The Series
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
GD> Where do you live?
I live in Burlington, Vermont.
Where are you? I don't truly understand fido's numbering system (and more
than likely will never remember much more than that 1 means USA and
anything over 1 is out of the country).
GD> a lot of people on this echo said it was just AWFUL!
Yes, I read these posts.
I personally found something to enjoy in all three (even 11, which I'll
admit was a tad weird, but I love the character Sean Connery plays, so it
was pretty cool to have him back, even in that incredibly fantisized
story.
And it was almost campy.
GD> Also, I have become a BIG Adrian Paul fan and it's hard for me to see
GD> someone else play Duncan McLeod.
As I said in my previous post (and I'm sorry if I didn't say it clearly)
Thank God the role in the movies ISN'T Duncan, but CONNOR McLeod.
And Christopher Lambert has some interesting qualities of his own, if you
can forget Adrian Paul for an hour and half or so. His voice is very
melodious and has a cool accent all it's own.
In terms of scenery, 111 is very similar to 1 in that it has some
excellent shots of Scotland's craggy coast. Since that is an area I just
love looking at, that alone made the movie worth going to. Admittedly it
isn't quite as spectacular on a small t.v. screen, but still nice shots.
111 also follows the story line set down in 1 (completely ignoring 11's
weird additions), and unfortunately sort of dismisses the series as a
possibility (but hey, it's a movie. so it's fantasy. it can stand on it's
own!) - but my advice is just ignore the implications there, and enjoy it
as a thing-unto-itself. After all, episode one, "The Gathering" had both
Conner and Duncan in it.
Here's an excerpt from one of the versions of episode listings summerizing
that episode:
Duncan Macleod is roused from his peaceful existence with
the love of his life, Tessa Noel, when he is confronted by
two fellow Immortals from his past. Connor MacLeod, (played
by Christopher Lambert, reprising his role from the films)
an old friend and fellow clansman, finds Duncan after many
years and attempts to convince him to join the fray in the
battle of Good versus Evil. Connor also has plans to finish
off the likes of Slan Quince (Played by Richard Moll) an Evil
Immortal who has tracked down Duncan with plans of combat.
Realizing that he can be a threat, Duncan confronts Richie
and later befriends the boy. The threats of Slan Quince come
to an end on a bridge when Duncan saves the life of his comrade
Connor and gains a powerful Quickening at the expense of Slan.
So unfortunately, movie 111 doesn't address the issues inherent in having
the movie reality match/correspond with the t.v. series (and for those of
us who love the series on television, that's quite annoying).
On the other hand, there is the question of what if two friendly immortals
are the only two left - and since "there can be only one" what would they
do? I mean, the movies seem to give the impression that immortals are
driven to be that one and only far more so than on television series.
I mean Duncan certainly seems to try to give everyone, even some of the
obviously "bad" ones a second chance before he "kills them off." Actually,
in the movie 111, Connor chooses NOT to kill his teacher, but other than
that, they seem to delight in whacking each other as quickly as possible.
Even in movie one, I seem to recall Connery telling Lambert they would
eventually have to face each other (even as he was teaching him the
ropes).
But movie 111 is worth it for the special effects alone. And the MAGIC!
With the cool Japanese master.
It also had a real cool sword move where one person is without a sword and
is lunged at by their opponent and they manage to turn and take the sword
and win. Very cool! and it's repeated at least twice. (the nice thing
about VCR's is you can slow it down and really catch things).
GD> Maybe a woman's opinion is what I need to hear before I go rent it.
So rent it, and enjoy! I did!
seeYA
Pam
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Msg : 273 of 384
From : Pamela Crossett 1:325/118 .åò 01 .þí 95 04:46
To : Gloria Darcy
Subj : Re: Earth 2 & HIGHLANDER
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
> Well, at least I wasn't the only
one that felt that way!
I know this is true. You just seemed to be one of the most vocal. From what Jack
wrote, a lot of people objected. He said (I believe) that the producers "caved"
under pressure - so there had to be more than just one person complaining.
Did you ever write into the show letting them know your feelings?
That's something I always mean to get around to, but never do.
I am looking forward to the season finale's second part tonight. Although I bet
we're left hanging somehow. (here's a nother reason to hate Dallas - "who shot
JR" really made everyone step up the series cliff-hangers.
seeYA
Pam
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Msg : 274 of 384
From : Pamela Crossett 1:325/118 .åò 01 .þí 95 04:52
To : Gloria Darcy
Subj : Highlander, The Movie (3)
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
thank god Connor McLeod is the lead, and not Duncan - that's something that
confused me at first. I just assumed they got another actor for the series (and
was I glad, I like Adrian Paul much better than Christopher Lambert) although I
do have to admit he (Lambert) grows on me.
So if you can get over the longing for Adrian Paul, and take the movie on it's
own terms (which in III do NOT tie into the series "real world" at all) it's
quite an interesting movie.
A lot of special effects, and an interesting storyline that really emphasizes an
immortal's gaining another's powers once they kill them.
I'll write you more, cause I'm out of on-line time.
Pam
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Msg : 275 of 384
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .åò 01 .þí 95 07:44
To : Mark Jones
Subj : Torres in Faces
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.42.bA 8060
MJ>The story about B'Lanna being split into her Klingon and Human halves
MJ>is the sort of "technobabble" I can accept. The notion of splitting
MJ>her into two separate beings is as unlikely as everything else
MJ>they've done--but I was willing to grant the premise in order to see
MJ>how the character dealt with the problem.
Except that it had already been done before in ST:TOS' The Enemy Within.
To me, that is unacceptable...
MJ> FE> Doc Zimmerman is not as obnoxious as Wesley Crusher, but he's
MJ> FE> being used basically the same way. Save another crew member?
MJ> FE> Just ask Doc Zimmerman to go well beyond his normal programming,
MJ> FE> and he'll save the day every time!
MJ>Now, if we could only get him to doctor the SCRIPTS....
Yep, they need a miracle! :-)
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Msg : 276 of 384
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .åò 01 .þí 95 07:44
To : Michelle Willey
Subj : VOYAGER NOSE DIVING?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.42.bA 8060
MW>I agree Neelix seems to be the Barclay too often. The doc on the
MW>other hand has a slightly cynical edge that I like. I find it ironic
MW>that the only character with any depth is the simulated person.
Agreed!
MW>the same thing happened in NextGen. Data was more human than the
MW>humans and the humans all began to seem artificial. Even on those
MW>rare occasions when a character gets angry it does not seem very
I never thought of ST:TNG this way, but you're right!
MW>real. Pooh on demographics. Just because we don't buy the action
MW>figures no one wants to make science fiction for grown ups.
Well, let's hope B5 finishes its 5 year story arc. Of all the sci-fi
that hasn't been axed this season, it is the most adult...
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Msg : 277 of 384
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .åò 01 .þí 95 07:44
To : Robert Lidgren
Subj : X-FILES LIST WANTED
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.42.bA 8060
FE>-> At the end of last season, someone uploaded a complete episode
FE>-> list WITH descriptions of each episode...
RL>I can easily get it and post same but doesn't everyone here have
RL>access to the World Wide Web too? All I do is use the web browser
RL>and type in the X-Files as
RL>a subject to search. The results are episode guides, biographies,
RL>FAQs, images, sound files etc., etc.
I have only limited access to WWW through America Online, at this time.
And I really don't want to go searching for what I need. I was hoping
someone on this echo might already have this. There was a list of titles
uploaded the other day, but no descriptions, and without those
descriptions, it'll be very difficult to identify individual episodes.
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Msg : 278 of 384
From : Chris Carter 1:105/302.23 .åò 01 .þí 95 08:20
To : Frank Eva
Subj : Confessions & Lamentation
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
FE> Her "change" has made her far less intriguing, and I'm still
FE> unconvinced that Mira Furlan didn't have something to do with
FE> this divergence of the storyline.
She did. She was getting very tired of the heavy-duty prosthetics,
and wanted to go through less time in the makeup chair. She also
didn't want her hair hidden underneath a bone-crest. Hence, the
change.
The Chrysalis was a pre-planned part of the arc, it was the
implementation that got changed, partly at Mira's request.
FE> I'm not crazy about the entire concept of a "psi-corps". To
FE> me, it doesn't seem based on science but rather on whimsy. I
FE> like the character of Talia Winters, and would like it much
FE> better if she were more gainfully employed, as perhaps an EA
FE> officer (like Ivanova). I felt the same way about the empathic
FE> Counselor Troi.
I don't get this Frank. You just contradicted yourself. Troi *is*
a Starfleet officer. Yet you feel the same way about her as Talia?
And you would prefer it if Talia were an EA officer? That paragraph
doesn't add up.
Chris - carter@teleport.com
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Msg : 279 of 384
From : Todd Sullivan 1:363/60 .åò 01 .þí 95 09:18
To : Frank Eva
Subj : B5 COMIC
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.41/g 10118
FE >I would think something like this would be more important to
FE >the
FE >writers, but regardless, that is the gist of what they said
FE >in the
FE >"letters" column. I personally will not be buying another
FE >issue, anyway.
FE >Like the B5 novels, the stories don't progress along with
FE >the B5 story
FE >arc. So, for me they're just a waste of money, and not even
FE >very
FE >interesting sci-fi (too much cloak & dagger/murder she
FE >wrote, for me).
To paraphrase Heinlein's comments, "You have to be entertaining.
Art for art's ske pays no bills."
DC knows (or think they do) what B-5 i all about, and the fact the comic sells
means that they're notthat far off.
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Msg : 280 of 384
From : Todd Sullivan 1:363/60 .åò 01 .þí 95 09:24
To : Jeff Kovach
Subj : Sliders Continuity
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.41/g 10118
JK >No - I don't mean syndicating the reruns. I mean
JK >distributing new
JK >episodes of the show that way, like they do with Highlander
JK >and many
JK >other shows. Independent of any one network.
That's more along the liness of "independent release" than syndication
Bt I'ut I'll admit that I don't know as much about the television
industry as others might claim they do about everything.
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Msg : 281 of 384
From : John Kahane 1:163/198.5 .åò 01 .þí 95 10:06
To : Gloria Darcy
Subj : Earth 2/So Long
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On , Gloria Darcy wrote to Pamela Crossett:
PC>> I just saw the episode "all about eve" - do you know if
PC>> that was the final episode?
Strangely enough, it wasn't. The episode last week was a new one, but one
that was out of continuity order. It explained how Alonzo came to terms with
his being "grounded" and how they acquired the geo-lock that caused all kinds of
problems in the hands of Morgan Martin.
PC>> Also, was Riley played by a different actor in this episode
PC>> than in the past ones?
Nope, Riley or Reilly was played by the same actor who had portrayed him
before. The character just added a moustache, and a bit more hair, that's all!
GD> And I wonder if Devin is really dead?
Devon Adair isn't dead. We know this for two reasons. First, she is still
alive some sixteen years later. Remember the episode where we meet the adult
Uly? :) Secondly, she was placed in coldsleep while they hopefully figured out
what was killing her. Given that she will suffer coldsleep sickness or whatever
it was called when she emerges, there will be all kinds of new problems facing
her and her friends at that time.
John
.....
People who used magic without knowing what they were doing usually came to a
sticky end. All over the entire room, sometimes. (MP)
--- GoldED 2.41
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Msg : 282 of 384
From : John Kahane 1:163/198.5 .åò 01 .þí 95 10:11
To : Barry Blaes
Subj : Not SLIDERS
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
In a message of , Barry Blaes scribed:
JK>> Personally, I'm more concerned at this point with keeping
JK>> BABYLON 5 on the air. And getting to see the last four
JK>> episodes of Season Two before October, whereas the
JK>> Europeans are going to be seeing them any time now.
BB> Din't see any thing on the internet for B5, but, then again
BB> I'm not reading any B5 stuff.
There are whole newsgroups and ftp sites that have information and the like
devoted to BABYLON 5, but I guess it depends on what you're looking for and all
that. :) The Brits (and presumably the rest of Europe) are going to be seeing
the final four episodes of the second season in June/July; we're going to have
to wait until October for them. *sigh*
John
.....
"You know, it's really lucky for me that I met you." - Cut-me-own-Throat Dibbler
(MP)
--- GoldED 2.41
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Msg : 283 of 384
From : John Kahane 1:163/198.5 .åò 01 .þí 95 10:15
To : Kay Shapero
Subj : B5 Thought
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On , Kay Shapero wrote to Tony Limbert:
KS> Speaking of Pavarotti.. did you see the Babylon 5 episode
KS> Knives a couple of weeks back? That plot with Londo and his
KS> old friend was straight out of Grand Opera...
Yeah, wasn't that great, Kay? :) "Knives" was pretty much a throwaway
episode of B5, but the sub-plot with Londo and the old friend was the only truly
redeeming aspect of the episode. That and Sheridan's reaction to learning that
Keffer was taking jaunts into hyperspace to find his "bogey."
John
.....
"Isn't life interesting when you see it from someone else's perspective?" -
Victor Tugelbend (MP)
--- GoldED 2.41
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Msg : 284 of 384
From : John Kahane 1:163/198.5 .åò 01 .þí 95 10:21
To : Frank Swarbrick
Subj : Stuff of TP
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
In a message of , Frank Swarbrick scribed:
FS>> Halloween night last year. I was *not* blown away, and
FS>> found parts of it rather annoying (mostly Laura's mothers
FS>> darn bawling through the whole thing!).
JK>> But there was a reason for Laura's mother bawling her head
JK>> off for most of the episode. She is/was a psychic, and had
JK>> "visions" of things...
FS> Didn't say there wasn't a reason. Only said it was annoying!
FS> :-)
:) I suppose. I don't recall thinking of it that way at the time,
although I suppose that some would find it annoying. The visions were kind of
neat though, don't you think?
FS>> (And of course I'll have to rent the "Fire Walk With Me"
FS>> movie.)
JK>> Some of us will have to rent or buy the movie, Frank. I
JK>> still haven't seen FIRE WALK WITH ME. :)
FS> I finished the series the other day. May rent "Fire Walk
FS> With Me" this weekend. I saw it at Blockbuster the other day,
FS> along with the pilot movie and the first seven episodes.
Ah, interesting. I had no idea that some of the episodes of TWIN PEAKS
were actually on video at all. I'd still like to see FIRE WALK WITH ME, but
haven't found a video shop that rents it; might have to add it permanently to
the collection of tapes, if I can find a copy of it for sale.
FS>> On to the questions... First, can someone match the actor's
FS>> names with the characters for me. I know probably less than
FS>> half of them. I'm interested in the main credit stars, the
FS>> beginning credit stars, and even the main guest stars.
JK>> Boy, you don't ask the little questions, do you? :)
FS> [deleted]
FS> Thanks for the list.
You're welcome. :)
FS> How did you manage to know all this?
At one point I was fascinated by this stuff, so I had drawn up a list of
various characters from the series. Stopped doing so after a while, but hey...
FS> Anyway, it's missing a few important characters. Giant was
FS> of course played by Carel Struyken.
That's "Struycken," of course. :)
FS> I saw that David Lynch himself played someone in a few
FS> episodes. At first I thought it must the rather Caucasian
FS> looking Chinese guy ,
*chuckle* No, that turned out to be Catherine Martell in disguise. David
Lynch guested as Cooper's superior, Gordon. And he seems to have developed a
crush on Madchen Amick's character, Shelley, and regained his hearing properly
when he was around her. It must have been love.
FS> Oh, and how about Annie Blackburn? She was a rather
FS> important character, even though she was only in the last
FS> half dozen episodes or so. I found her and Cooper to make
FS> quite a cute couple. :-)
Yeah, they did...except that she proved to be Cooper's downfall, of course.
I can't for the life of me remember who played Annie, but I will take a look at
the videotapes at some point soon and see what I can dig up on this. Might be a
while, however...life hasn't been slow since I got back from KC.
FS> Looking at your list it looks like you don't have anyone from
FS> after the Laura Palmer mystery was solved. Not a criticism by
FS> any means. Just a comment.
Correct. :) That's about the time that I stopped with the notes on cast
members, since I was more concerned with trying to figure out *what* was going
on after that!
FS> How about Thomas Eckhart, Andrew Packard (yes, those last two
FS> have the names listed with the actors), the mayor, Lana, Dick
FS> Tremaine, Jack (who Audrey fell for).
Dick Tremayne (sp?) was played by Ian Buchanan, of GENERAL HOSPITAL fame. I
rather liked his over-the-top performance in that. Reminded me of some of the
characters out of various Tom Holt novels. :)
FS> Oh, and the Renault brothers. And others I can't think of.
FS> Ah well
You said it. Geez, you're wanting a lot of stuff here! :) Oh, and the
Renault brothers were called Jean and Jacques. Actor names escape me at the
moment, but I can dig these up some time, too. :)
FS>> Next question is, did season one end after Cooper got shot?
JK>> Correct. :)
FS>> So the first season would be six episodes, and seven hours.
JK>> Nope. According to my videotape collection, the first
JK>> season consists of the two-hour premiere, and seven one-hour
JK>> episodes.
FS> Hmm, this seems to be correct. I didn't have the so-called
FS> episode title list until after well into the "second season,"
FS> so I couldn't follow along at the time.
That's what I kind of figured, Frank...but as I said in the earlier post,
to the best of my knowledge, the episodes of TWIN PEAKS didn't have individual
titles. And if they did, I'd like to know a) the source of the titles that your
friend had, and b) the full list of episode titles.
FS>> The second season would be 24 episodes and 25 hours (or 26
FS>> if there were two two hour episodes).
JK>> The second season consists of a two-hour premiere again, and
JK>> 21 one-hour episodes as well.
FS> OK...The list I have seems to be totally made up, and not
FS> quite accurate even in which episode goes where. (huh?)
My reaction, exactly. :) That makes no sense to me, since
the episodes would have to be in order or one couldn't make sense out of what
was going on.
FS> Still, most of the titles actually went quite well with what
FS> the episodes were actually about.
Which doesn't mean that these are actually the episode titles, you know.
For example, I've seen every episode of EARTH2 that's aired to this point, and
while I know that the episodes *do* have titles, I've never seen them or a list
of them. I've come up with some of my own titles, some of which are likely
better or worse than the actual titles of the stories.
FS> Fer instance it has the pilot as "Wrapped In Plastic," the
FS> season one finale as "Bite The Bullet," the episode with
FS> Laura's secret diary as "The Diary of Laura Palmer," the
FS> episode where Maddy is killed is, well, "Maddy." Actually,
FS> most of the later titles aren't all too creative. I'll post
FS> it in the next message just so you can see it.
Please do. I'd like to see it. One thing I can tell you is that I'd love
to get a confirmation on whether the episodes had titles or not. Perhaps
someone else out there is knowledgeable about this matter.
John
.....
"Walk a mile on these paws and call me a liar." - Gaspode (MP)
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Msg : 285 of 384
From : Michael Vergara 1:2605/631 .åò 01 .þí 95 17:03
To : Frank Eva
Subj : Confessions & Lamentation
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: GE 1.11+
Said Frank Eva to Richard Yamagata about Confessions & Lamentation:
FE> which sympathy is needed (Confessions & Lamentations). I find it hard
FE> to equate Delenn with the warrior race that brought Earth to its
FE> knees...
Then again, she isn't a warrior. The Minbari are divided into seperate castes,
like the religious and the warrior (Delenn being a member of the religious
caste, I think). Not all of the Minbari are warriors, just like not all
politicians are lawyers.
MikeyV
... Hey Worf!!....I hooked Data up to a modem!....Wanna see??
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Msg : 286 of 384
From : Peter Tam 1:250/836 .åò 01 .þí 95 17:43
To : Robert Lidgren
Subj : ROSWELL
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
I saw Roswell starring Agent Cooper from Twin Peaks(I can't spell Kyle's last
name:)). I thought it was entertaining. It didn't convince me about the
government finding aliens but it was compelling. I liked JFK too.
--- Maximus 2.01wb
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Msg : 287 of 384
From : Tony Limbert 1:2215/420 .åò 01 .þí 95 17:49
To : Kay Shapero
Subj : SLIDERS SEASON FINALE
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
While summoning Cthulhu, I overheard Kay say :
KS>
KS>
KS> On , Tony Limbert (1:2215/420) wrote to Kay Shapero:
TL>How about a FARNHAM FREEHOLD world where whites are still slaves?
TL>That would be an interesting adventure for Remmy.
KS> Bet they'd still wish a doomed romance on him there too...
Yeah, but with THE GIRL?! :)
TL
... Gimme a shot of reality...BANG...again...BANG...again...
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
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Msg : 288 of 384
From : Rumble 1:163/436 .åò 01 .þí 95 20:11
To : David Johnston
Subj : Voyager Nose Diving?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
--- Maximus 2.02
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Msg : 289 of 384
From : Frank Glover 1:2613/477 .åò 01 .þí 95 20:57
To : Frank Eva
Subj : Re: B5 Catch-Up
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
FE> Yes, that's the same thing. Is the series popular enough to warrant a
FE>
FE> line of B5 toys? With the threat of cancellation looming over the
FE> show,
FE> I don't think anyone will find this license a safe investment...
Probably right...yet one toymaker marketed a series of action figures from
the movie `Alien' *years* after not only theatrical release, but after it had
made the rounds on cable and broadcast TV...
Frank
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Msg : 290 of 384
From : Boris CDuke 2:463/2.22 .pä 07 .þí 95 00:23
To : Paul Worley
Subj :
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Hi Paul!
PW> Anybody know when GENERATIONS will be coming out on video?
Never ;)
Bestest, Boris
aka 2:463/2.22
aka 2:463/702.22
aka boris@sfclub.freenet.kiev.ua
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Msg : 291 of 384
From : Jonathan Tinsley 1:366/4017 .òp 16 .àé 95 22:30
To : Steven Wesen
Subj : Re: ST: VOYAGER SURVIVES
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Focusing on the matrix Steven called out to Ecarey saying:
SW> Star Trek Voyager's Q&A should have had this question :
SW> Why did is their backbone story Ideas stolen from Red Dwarf?
SW> A Ship 3 million light years from home.
More or less. At least the Voyager crew isn't 3 million years in their
future as well.
SW> A Hologramatic crew member.
And almost as annoying as Rimmer! ;)
SW> Short cuts are constanty provided and fail.
This is true...
SW> And the cheaky reference when they went by a Red Dwarf.
^^^^^^^^^
Which referrence was this? What did I miss? What did I miss?
... "3 million years! I've still got that library book!" - Lister
--- FMail 0.98a
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Msg : 292 of 384
From : Jonathan Tinsley 1:366/4017 .òp 16 .àé 95 22:30
To : Phill Ash
Subj : B5, B9
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Focusing on the matrix Phill called out to John saying:
>thanks that's all I wanted to know. there ARE a couple
>instances in ST where there are living ships too...
>(coincidence?) ;)
>I'd be curious to have you name them, just so that we can do a
>comparison between ST and B5 in this particular element of the series.
PA> Tin Man, for one.
Is that the egg-shaped ship that spun around several times and sent out
those energy pulses that totally annihilated those two Romulan ships?
... CONFUSED? Call Counselor Troi: 1-900-NCC-1701: $1.95/min
--- FMail 0.98a
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Msg : 293 of 384
From : Jonathan Tinsley 1:366/4017 .òp 16 .àé 95 22:30
To : Tom Huber
Subj : B5 VS ST
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Focusing on the matrix Tom called out to Robyn saying:
TH> B5, on the other hand, doesn't have this theme. Some of the shows have
TH> it, but it doesn't seem to be central to the show - at least, not like
TH> Trek. Instead, B5 has a much larger theme that is less personal in
TH> nature. It deals with entire races - much like Asimov's Foundation
TH> Series vs. his Caves of Steel stories. The Foundation stories dealt
TH> with the sweep of the human adventure on a cosmic scale, whereas Caves
TH> dealt with the human adventure within a future society (reacting to it,
TH> rather than being a force in it).
I'd like to interject that the `Robots series' to
which you refer is part of the greater `Foundation, Robots, and Empire
Universe'. Check out Robots and Empire, and I believe the other is
Foundation and Earth.
TH> Trek and B5 fill similar roles, with B5 being closer to Asimov's
TH> Foundation series in its scope, and Trek following more closely with
TH> the Caves of Steel scope. Note that B5 seldom deals with humans living
TH> within the society and coping with it. It deals with people that are
TH> shaping the destiny of the universe. Trek deals with people that are
TH> living within a universe and somehow managing to survive.
Gee, and representing the entire human race in a trial to determine
humanity's fate isn't shaping the destiny of the universe? Defeating the
Borg isn't shaping the universe? Creating a subrace of Borg that aren't
part of the collective isn't? The countless diplomatic problems with
Klingons, Romulans, Cardassians, Maquis, etc.? Come on! While the show
was running, the universe revolved around the Enterprise (1701, 1701A,
1701C, and 1701D)!
TH> I think that is the "hope" that people see in Trek. Because it isn't
TH> always well-done, I've grown somewhat tired of Trek and no longer
TH> watch Deep Space Nine (It was good while it was the only real
TH> alternative to Next Generation). I catch B5 and Voyager when I can.
I still watch DS9, but as far as space stations stories go, B5 has DS9
beat hands down. Let's face it, the Star Trek writers just aren't as good
when they don't have a ship to send blundering into every manner of
trouble. The runabouts just can't take the kind of punishment that Trek
writers like to dole out, hence the Defiant. :)
TH> I can understand why you do not want to deal with B5. Hopefully, when
TH> you aren't carrying the load you have in college, you'll be able to go
TH> back and concentrate on B5's story. I think you'll find you'll like it
TH> at that point. In the meantime, I agree - it is a lot of work to
TH> follow everything that's going on, especially at the diplomatic level
TH> of the story - which is the continuing element.
This is true, but we fans make time! :)
TH> Trek, on the other hand, does not require as much concentration and is
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This is _very_ true! ]:>
TH> I agree with you on the "battle" between the two camps. It is silly
TH> and the two shows are not as comparable as one might think. They have
TH> and serve different audiences and frankly, I like that variety.
Which is why I keep watching them both - ST:Anything is easily digested
entertainment (as a general rule) while B5 is hard core for TV sci-fi.
... To boldly go where no intelligent lifeform in its right mind would go.
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Msg : 294 of 384
From : David Johnston 1:342/14 .ÿò 02 .þí 95 01:11
To : Rumble
Subj : Voyager Nose Diving?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> Well when it comes to TNG you seem to hate all the most popular
-> people!
I gotta be me.
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Msg : 295 of 384
From : David Johnston 1:342/14 .ÿò 02 .þí 95 01:23
To : Jack Butler
Subj : Highlander, The Series
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Hey, Jack. I was just thinking about the latest discarded love
interest. I haven't seen all the episodes but of the ones I have seen,
this seems to be the first one in which a non-immortal directly
witnessed a kill. And she was pregnant. I figure it's pretty standard
for doctors to counsel pregnant women to avoid exotic stimuli. Does the
Quickening count as exotic?
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Msg : 296 of 384
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .ÿò 02 .þí 95 07:48
To : Robert Lidgren
Subj : Part3/X-Files Episodes
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.42.bA 8060
I now have all of my taped episodes identified! Thanks very much for the
effort!
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Dogs come when you call. Cats have answering machines...
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Msg : 297 of 384
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .ÿò 02 .þí 95 07:48
To : Tom Huber
Subj : United Paramount Network
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.42.bA 8060
TH>UPN really doesn't have much going for it. I'll be surprised if
TH>Paramount can hold it together. The comedies are worse than drivel...
You mean their "sitcoms" (Pig Sty & Platypus Man)? Agreed, they're no
better than 99% of the drek out there already...
TH>But then, I've enjoyed "Legend." Now there's a show that reminds me a
TH>bit of "The Wild, Wild West," which was a mix of science fiction (for
TH>them) and the wild west.
I've enjoyed Legend, too, but it reminds me of some of Brisco County's
episodes, especially the ones in which his scientist friend was working
on his contraptions!
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Msg : 298 of 384
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .ÿò 02 .þí 95 07:48
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : Voices: John Vornholt
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.42.bA 8060
JH>FE>Sheesh... I'll probably never buy another B5 novel. Foolish of me
JH>FE>to think that the paperback writers would be allowed to advance
JH>FE>the B5 STORYLINE, or actually tell a good sci-fi story...
JH>Unless JMS writes it? ;) I wonder how he feels about these poor
JH>efforts.
Probably the same way he feels about the B5 comics, which also don't do
much about advancing the storyline... It's just another source of
income, and a way to keep B5 in the public eye...
ref: Kosh revealed?
JH>I'm thinking it'll be a CGI ball of light,
Based on the first season episode in which Kosh as a "ball of light"
moved back and forth in front of a translucent screen?
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Msg : 299 of 384
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .ÿò 02 .þí 95 07:48
To : All
Subj : B5 RERUNS???
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.42.bA 8060
Does anyone know what happened to the last 5 episodes in this season's
schedule? (The Long Twilight Struggle, Divided Loyalties, Comes the
Inquisitor, The Price of Peace, and The Fall of Night (season finale)).
We've had reruns 3 weeks in a row!
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Msg : 300 of 384
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .ÿò 02 .þí 95 07:48
To : Robert Lidgren
Subj : X-FILES LIST WANTED
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.42.bA 8060
RL>By the way, I am thankful that X-Files will be back!! This has been
RL>a season of cancellations, hasn't it? I'll miss Earth 2 but wasn't
RL>really surprised it was cancelled. However, I was quite angry that
RL>Sliders wasn't picked up. It had ALL OF THE INGREDIENTS for a
RL>successful series.
All of the cancellations don't bode well for sci-fi on TV. While I won't
miss Earth 2, or VR5 that much, I was really shocked when I heard
Sliders had been axed. Oh well, there are a few new sci-fi shows in the
wings, and I hope they will be even more entertaining than Sliders. I
heard (if memory serves) of one called, simply "Space". Perhaps someone
who knows more about next season's projects can post some synopses here.
BTW, I sure hope Babylon 5's next season is secure...
RL>One of the problems with the Internet is that I never seem to know
RL>what city people are writing from. I live in Calgary, Alberta,
RL>Canada. From where do you hail?
Milwaukee, Wisconsin USA!
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Msg : 301 of 384
From : Starwolf 1:163/214 .ÿò 02 .þí 95 11:21
To : Frank Eva
Subj : B5 Baseball
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
I don't think they have the technology to be able to build-holodeck-level
entertainment areas.
--- Maximus 2.01wb
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Msg : 302 of 384
From : David Johnston 1:342/14 .ÿò 02 .þí 95 12:31
To : Tippi Blevins
Subj : Sliders & Vr.5 Cancelled!
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> Well I hear tell that we get a new Aaron Spelling TV series about
-> vampires. ARGH! I don't know what it's called, but how about
-> "Transylvania 90210"?
You know, you sound like all of the people appalled at letting Tom
Cruise play a vampire.
That program, entitled "Kindred" will be based on the best-selling White
Wolf roleplaying game "Vampire, the Masquerade". It will focus on two
brothers (probably twins) one of whom is still alive and the other who
is now a vampire. Given it's sources, one can expect it to be moody and
emotional, with sexual undertones.
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Msg : 303 of 384
From : James Ward 1:362/708 .ÿò 02 .þí 95 15:20
To : Joel Jessup
Subj : SeaQuest DSV
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Coolness as you said before,if you hear any SeaQuest info ,will pass it on.
and so will I...
BTW little story if you like... I was at MGM and got some Great pics of the
outside of studio 21 or is it 19? (as of post time didn't remember) and some of
the trailer the actor's live in, but sadly no pics of the actors :(
that was when the new season was starting and they didn't have Darwins pool
done, I wanted to go into that studio sooo BAD! it was cool to take the tour
past it anyhow....
C-ya.
**Message to Lukas from Capt. Bridger Commanding Officer UEO SeaQuest**
************************ Message Follows *******************************
******* "We've Had it kid! don't let them tell you what to think! ******
Message Intereupted End.
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Msg : 304 of 384
From : Rumble 1:163/436 .ÿò 02 .þí 95 22:49
To : Tony Trujillo
Subj : Re: SeaQuest Survives
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Hey I still what it and i'm a guy, so I dont want to see Lucus. Next year they
are going to try to satisfy everyone. More than half of the plots will be real
sci-fi with technobable here and there. And there will still be the wierd ones
too.
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Msg : 305 of 384
From : Starwolf 1:163/214 .óá 03 .þí 95 02:24
To : Debra Milner
Subj : X-Files Finale
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
DM>How DID Mulder get out of that car?
We didn't see ALL of the interior. There may have been a hidden cranny.
He might have hidden under the pile of bodies. They should have
protected him from a short blast of heat. There may have been a gap
under the car if the sand didn't fill everything in and he might have
got out via a service hatchway under the car.
* SLMR 2.1a * "I think I'm allergic to governments." - StarWolf
--- Maximus 2.01wb
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Msg : 306 of 384
From : Starwolf 1:163/214 .óá 03 .þí 95 03:43
To : Frank Eva
Subj : ST: Voyager
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
FE>technobabble in "Learning Curve" was countered with totally predictable
FE>cadet indoctrination. These writers really need the summer off! :-)
They need new writers. Period. I've seen Peter David's work for B5,
and it beats the stuffings out of what's been coming out of VOYAGER.
Even coming in cold to that show he could write spheres (not mere
circles) around the current crop of so-called writers.
* SLMR 2.1a * "The State has no place in the bedrooms of the nation"
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Msg : 307 of 384
From : SEAN CASZATT 1:2601/512 .óá 03 .þí 95 14:02
To : DEMIAN KATZ
Subj : X-FILES konference??
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-=> Quoting DEMIAN KATZ to MORTEN MaNSSON <=-
> Can anybody please confirm, or the opposite ;-(, the rumour about,
> there being a seperate X-Files konference called - plainly: X-FILES ??
DK> There is one, but to my knowledge it isn't backboned, and is thus only
DK> available in a limited area.
It was recently added to the Backbone and should be available everywhere
now.
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... Hello, I am message number ||#||||#||#||#||.
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Msg : 308 of 384
From : SEAN CASZATT 1:2601/512 .óá 03 .þí 95 14:07
To : ROBERT LIDGREN
Subj : ROSWELL INFO?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-=> Quoting ROBERT LIDGREN to ALL <=-
RL> I think HBO or one of the other U.S. cable networks broadcast "Roswell"
RL> about the UFO crash in New Mexico in 1947. I haven't seen it yet. Can
RL> you let me know what you thought of it?
The movie ROSWELL was a Showtime movie. It's recently been released on
videotape.
It's a good movie that doesn't go "off the deep end". It presents
the case in a fairly level-headed manner. The acting is quite good.
Check it out.
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Msg : 309 of 384
From : Frank Glover 1:2613/477 .óá 03 .þí 95 12:44
To : Mark Jones
Subj : Re: Starfleet Rules as...
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
MJ> And I've got a couple, as well:
MJ>
MJ> 11. The use of fuses and circuit breakers is strictly prohibited!
MJ>
MJ> 12. All manual overrides must be electronically operated.
MJ>
And:
Under no circumstances, no matter how damaged the ship, must the artificial
gravity fail.
(The only case of this I remember was the Klingon ship in ST6...)
Frank
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Msg : 310 of 384
From : Frank Glover 1:2613/477 .óá 03 .þí 95 12:58
To : Dan Kachoogian
Subj : Re: SLIDERS KILLED TOO!!
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
DK> RL> cancelled too so the networks can bring back "Lost in Space: The
DK> RL> 90's
DK> RL> edition": AAARRRRGhhhhhhhh!!!
DK> Comparing basic premise alone, isn't ST:V the SAME SHOW as Lost in
DK> Space?
In a sense, neither one was. In Voyager, they know *where* they are, (even
the galaxy is finite, and there are too many extra-galactic references to be
truly lost), they just can't get home in a practical time without some sort of
help.
And in Lost in Space, they spent most of their time stuck on one planet. They
seemed to know where they were, they just couldn't get off.
But at least ST-V can reasonably keep running into trouble on the way home,
just as the Enterprise did while *looking* for it. On LIS, their planet seemed
to be the center of the bad-alien universe. Everything seemed to come out of the
blue to happen to *them.*
(Submarine shows like Voyage To The Bottom Of The Sea, and Sea Quest suffer
from the same limitation. Everything seems to come from light-years away to zero
in on not just one little planet,but one little submarine in it. At least Sea
Quest's second season has been kind of like that. There's just so much you can
do when limited to the oceans of one well explored, heavily inhabited world...)
Frank
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Msg : 311 of 384
From : Frank Glover 1:2613/477 .óá 03 .þí 95 13:01
To : Paul Worley
Subj : ST-Generations
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
PW> Anybody know when GENERATIONS will be coming out on video?
PW>
PW> Paul
I've asked two local video stores. One had no idea, the other believed it
would be on the shelves by fall, but available for rental before that....
Frank
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Msg : 312 of 384
From : Ecarey 1:101/230 .ÿò 19 .àé 95 15:09
To : John Kahane
Subj : B5 TALK
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
>>> E "PTEN isn't actually a network, or trying to be a network.
>FE>> You wouldn't know it by their NAME, after all, that IS what
>>> the "N" stands for ...
>
>E> Yes, I know what their name is: Prime Time Entertainment Network.
>E> But you'll notice, their shows also aren't usually on in prime
>E> time.:)
>
JK> Aww, you noticed. :) Seriously though, that's one of the
> things that really annoys me about BABYLON 5. The show is
> definitely *not* on in prime time in the area I get it. Unless
> prime time has been moved to midnight!
Syndicated shows have to fight for time-slots, and B5 doesn't have Trek's
thirty-year money-making record. For that matter, except for Voyager, which
\isn't\ syndicated, \Trek\ doesn't reliably get a "prime time" slot - 7:00pm
Saturday or Sunday, the times when DS9, and TNG before it ended, have normally
been broadcast in Boston, which IS a major market, simply doesn't qualify as
"prime time." In fact, B5 is doing a little \better\ - the last month or so,
it's been broadcast at 8:00pm Sunday.:)
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Msg : 313 of 384
From : Ecarey 1:101/230 .ÿò 19 .àé 95 15:21
To : Brian Henderson
Subj : B5 RIPOFF: DS9
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
> EE> Dan, you're gonna confuse Deanna \real\ bad, including the first
> two
> EE> Trek series in that list, after saying B5 is better.:)
>
BH> But they both deserve to be in the list. Both Treks have been
> influential in
> the way TV SF has been viewed and have set standards for special
> effects, if
> not necessarily writing. B5 *IS* better than TNG (and at least as
> good as
> TOS), but it has not made it's mark on TV SF.
Oh, I agree completely, but Deana's one of the either/ors - you're only allowed
to like EITHER Trek OR B5, but not both - and therefore Dan's approval of B5
"ought" to mean he has no respect for Trek.:)
> EE> If the last significant series sf on tv had been LOST IN SPACE
> or
> EE> BATTLESTAR GALACTICA, he'd have had a much tougher time
> marketing an
> EE> sf show that's so obviously for adults.
>
BH> Actually, Lost In Space was quite influential for it's time. TOS
> was accused
> of being a LIS rip-off for much of it's original airing. The
> problem is that
> while TOS might have made it easier to market sf on television, TNG
> most
LOST IN SPACE was a kiddie show, and it took a looong time for TOS to overcome
the perception that therefore, ALL sf must be kiddie shows. Despite that
perception, however, TOS was in fact a far more adult and ambitious show,
regularly tackling serious contemporary issues. Eventually, that fact, and the
fact that TOS had an audience that didn't go away just because the show got
cancelled, penetrated the minds of the dim bulbs at Paramount and elsewhere.
BATTLESTAR GALACTICA was even worse than LOST IN SPACE, not only a kiddie show,
but a kiddie show that was a badly written, badly acted, expensive and
spectacular \failure\.
Painful as it may be for you to admit it, TNG \was\ important in breaking down
the resistance to new sf shows on television, because it demonstrated that TOS
wasn't necessarily a fluke. Granted that few wanted to risk challenging it
directly; but when TNG was headed for cancellation, and DS9 was on the air, ALSO
successful but not the perceived terrifying juggernaut that TNG was, we suddenly
got a spate of attempts at new sf shows.
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Msg : 314 of 384
From : Ecarey 1:101/230 .ÿò 19 .àé 95 15:25
To : Steven Wesen
Subj : RE: ST: VOYAGER SURVIVES
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
> I Know that Voyager was not a direct rip off of Red Dwarf but it is
> to close in some of its core properties that it seems just a copy
> and we do not need this kind of Science Fiction.
Have you ever read the Odyssey?
This is NOT an irrelevent question.
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Msg : 315 of 384
From : Ecarey 1:101/230 .ÿò 19 .àé 95 15:31
To : Frank Eva
Subj : HARLAN ELLISON
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
> E "Harlan Ellison has a major grudge against STAR TREK, which is
> E "partially justified and partially not. I wouldn't look to him for
> E "objective commentary on it.
>
FE> Yes, I read all about his "grudge" in William Shatner's Star
> Trek Memories. It was very revealing, and I feel his grudge was
> justified. I personally think his take on Star Trek is valid. Since
> he
> also takes a few potshots at B5, it's obvious he isn't prejudiced
> against Star Trek alone. I personally think his grudge is against
> TV/SF
> in general...
Harlan Ellison is an extremely successful Hollywood scriptwriter, who has
managed to alienate virtually everyone he has ever worked with. When he's been
under contract to a show, rather than merely selling individual scripts, he has
usually managed to get fired, except on those occasions when he has QUIT.
He hasn't got a grudge against B5 or tv or sf generally - he's just naturally
cantankorous, and criticizes everything, regardless of whether he's associated
with it or not.
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Msg : 316 of 384
From : Ecarey 1:101/230 .ÿò 19 .àé 95 15:34
To : Tom Huber
Subj : VORLON IMMORTALITY
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
> E>TH>Aside from Enemy Mine, I cannot think of anything in motion
> pictures
>>TH>that equals B5 for scope. Dune might qualify, but the scope of Herbert's
>>TH>work was left on the cutting room floor.
>
> E>Even ENEMY MINE chickened out - the ending of the movie was vastly
>>softened from the punch-in-the-gut ending of the original.
>
TH> It sounds like I've got to chase down the story it was based upon. I
Oh, definitely, you NEED to read the original.
> liked the ending, even though it was a bit abrupt, in my book... But
> then, I tend to write abrupt endings, too... I just don't project
> them
> as far into the future as Enemy Mine did their ending...
It certainly wasn't a \bad\ ending, IF you don't know what Longyear did in the
original. Compared to the original, it's a cowardly ending tacked on by people
who assumed the real ending would upset the audience and scare 'em off.
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Msg : 317 of 384
From : Ecarey 1:101/230 .ÿò 19 .àé 95 15:41
To : Robert Lidgren
Subj : EARTH 2/SO LONG
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
> Well, if Entertainment Tonight can be believed, Earth 2 will not be
> back.
> That's too bad, I was hoping to see further adventures but sometimes
> these
> things happen. What is a surprise is that SeaQuest DSV did make the
> "cut"
> instead! So, the Earth 2 psaperbacks will go into history as
> interesting
> collectables from a one-season wonder.
>
> By the way, does ANYONE else feel sorry Earth 2 has bitten the dust?
> Sometimes
> I got the impression that I was among, oh, maybe 25 people in North
> America who
> watched the series and generally enjoyed it!
And I'm another of the twenty-five.:(
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Msg : 318 of 384
From : Ecarey 1:101/230 .óá 20 .àé 95 08:48
To : Frank Glover
Subj : B5 VS ST
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
FG>FE> Hmmm... I don't remember the reference to WW3, but I believe
FG>FE> you. This just didn't have an impact on me, again, because I look at
FG>FE> TV
FG>FE> as entertainment, not prophecy in disguise...
FG> Actually, there was at least one contradiction on this score. In one epis
FG>(whose title escapes me) Spock makes reference to "The (X) millions of peopl
FG>killed in your first World War, the (X) millions killed in your Second World
FG>War, the (X) millions killed in your third..."
FG> But in `The Omega Glory' he makes reference to how "...They fought the wa
FG>your Earth avoided."
FG> Go figure.
No necessary contradiction there - the world of Omega Glory apparently
fought an all-out war with nuclear devices and biological weapons that
destroyed their civilization completely. Earth managed to turn back
from the brink, and fought a war that was damaging but not sufficient
even to seriously slow progress into space, much less knock Earth back
to Stone Age/hunter-gatherer level.
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Msg : 319 of 384
From : Ecarey 1:101/230 .îí 22 .àé 95 15:36
To : Tom Huber
Subj : EARTH 2/SO LONG
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
> There were some technical inconsistencies that bothered me,
> especially
> the concept that the isolated colony wasn't all that isolated and
> that
> "big brother" could move in any time and take over...
That's because, even though they didn't know it when they arrived, Big Brother
was \already there\, and had his own plans inconsistent with theirs.
It wasn't, in fact, a "technical inconsistency".
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Msg : 320 of 384
From : VINCENT MCCONNELL 1:2601/574 .åò 25 .àé 95 19:03
To : MARK JONES
Subj : Re: Star Wars
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
|Mark|, of sept |Jones'ashain|, spoke thusly::
MJ> You guys seem to take it as a personal affront that I don't believe
MJ> that the second coming of Star Wars is imminent.
MJ> If you think so, fine. Somebody asked why I didn't believe it.
MJ> These were my reasons. If you aren't convinced, that's fine too.
MJ> Time will tell who was right.
I don't take personal affront, I think it's silly that you seem to be
utterly unbelieving in a press release by a pretty damn major company.
If you want to hold this huge evil opinion of SW fans, fine, but
having the mindset that Lucasfilm is outright lying is pretty absurd.
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Msg : 321 of 384
From : VINCENT MCCONNELL 1:2601/574 .åò 25 .àé 95 19:45
To : DAVID JOHNSTON
Subj : Re: Sliders & Vr.5 Cancel
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
|David|, of sept |Johnston'ashain|, spoke thusly::
DJ> That program, entitled "Kindred" will be based on the best-selling
DJ> White Wolf roleplaying game "Vampire, the Masquerade". It will focus
DJ> on two brothers (probably twins) one of whom is still alive and the
DJ> other who is now a vampire. Given it's sources, one can expect it to
DJ> be moody and emotional, with sexual undertones.
Wow. Are you kidding?
Of course, it won't stay true to VTM I'm sure, but that will be neat to see.
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Msg : 322 of 384
From : Ecarey 1:101/230 .óá 27 .àé 95 09:45
To : Richard Yamagata
Subj : B5 RIPOFF: DS9
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
RY>* In a message originally to Jakc Butler, Brian Henderson said:
RY>BH> No kidding. I didn't say otherwise. I did say, however,
RY>BH> that B5 has a higher purpose than *JUST* making a quick buck.
RY>I do not know if this is true or not, but I would like to think that it is t
RY>for B5. From the amount of energy that JMS expends by posting on GEnie and
RY>CIS, I believe that B5 means much more to him than a meal ticket. My son
RY>is waiting for his B5 micro-machines, but from what I garner from JMS posts,
RY>seems JMS finds this type of marketing, demeaning.
He finds what type of marketing demeaning?
We all know that JMS has said that B5 will "never be a franchise", but
in fact there's already books, and comics, and in the first book, an add
for mugs and t-shirts.
So what type of marketing is it that JMS finds demeaning? Just the
toys?
RY>BH> out but that's not the issue, is it? For Paramount and the
RY>BH> makers of Star Trek, money is the biggest issue. For Warner, it quite
RY>BH> possibly might be.
RY>All I know is that from looking at the Nielsens, the Paramount Network's
RY>success is all owed to ST Voyager. I think that the ST Voyager Q&A was a ch
RY>ploy to get Voyager fans to sit through hours of vapid programming just to f
RY>the Q&A sequence. I think this supports your arguement about "selling
RY>grandma." As for Warner, their network ratings are lower than Fox and
RY>Paramount. How much lower and non-profitable can you get? It may be a
RY>blessing that B5 is syndicated an not a Warner Network offering. Ry
If the WB Network had even one decent show, they might be doing better.
If the PTEN shows were pulled from syndication and moved to the WB
Network, they'd have a bunch of shows with pre-built audiences that
could then be seen in something resembling "prime time" - it would
probably be a win all around.
As for trying to get fans of one show to sit through the following
shows, by various devices, that's not "selling grandma" - that's normal
network marketing. The other networks aren't currently doing this
particular version of it, but they have in the past.
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Msg : 323 of 384
From : Ecarey 1:101/230 .óá 27 .àé 95 09:45
To : Frank Eva
Subj : VOYAGER NOSE DIVING?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
FE>I wouldn't complain about Neelix if he didn't seem to always be employed
FE>as Barclay was in TNG. Of all the characters, I find the holo-doc the
FE>most interesting. Perhaps it's because he seems to be more of an "adult"
FE>(even though he's probably quite childlike when it comes to
FE>understanding the human condition) than the rest of the crew who seem to
FE>be fresh out of the academy and just barely beyond puberty. I really
FE>dislike how demographics is having such a profound effect on TV...
Frank, the demographics of the Voyager crew are the normal demographics
of a naval ship - except that the average age of the Voyager crew may in
fact be a tad HIGHER than in "real life".
Note that in TOS, the junior officers we did see were also young -
Chekov, Sulu, Rand. etc.
The officers on B5 are older, because that's a diplomatic post with lots
of tensions just below the surface.
The demographics on both Voyager and B5 are reasonable for the
story/setting each of the series has.
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Msg : 324 of 384
From : Ecarey 1:101/230 .óá 27 .àé 95 09:45
To : Richard Yamagata
Subj : B5 VS ST
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
RY>On the other hand, it may not be surprising. That long narrative by Delenn
RY>about the Shadows, the First Ones, the Vorlons, drove me MAD!!! I played th
RY>sequence over and over -- TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT MIRA WAS MUMBLING. It i
RY>rediculous that she could not ennunciate better. I do not think it was a
RY>directional ploy to heighten suspense.
RY>The only thing that let me understand what Mira muffed was a transcript of t
RY>part of the episode. I think that this narrative was as critical to the
RY>B5 plot line as the dialog between Sheridan and Kosh about "understanding."
Strangely, I had no difficulty understanding or following Ms. Furlan's
speech. Perhaps I simply have a better tv than you do - though that
seems unlikely, given how OLD the wretched thing is.:)
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Msg : 325 of 384
From : Ecarey 1:101/230 .îí 29 .àé 95 13:25
To : Barry Blaes
Subj : NOT SLIDERS
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
BB> JK> Personally, I'm more concerned at this point with keeping BABYLON
BB> JK> 5 on the air. And getting to see the last four episodes of Season
BB> JK> Two before October, whereas the Europeans are going to be seeing
BB> JK> them any time now.
BB>Din't see any thing on the internet for B5, but, then again I'm not reading
BB>any B5 stuff.
There's rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5. And an alt. topic on B5, and at least
one web page. And a mailing list. And archives available.
[Can you tell I just recently got access to newsgroups and the WWW ?:)]
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Msg : 326 of 384
From : Ralph Strauser 1:105/314 .pä 31 .àé 95 09:45
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : Confessions & Lamentation
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 91-0012
-=> Quoting Jeff Hancock to Frank Eva <=-
FE>1. I noticed that the Markab spacecraft was not being towed with
FE>grapples, but that Starfuries had attached themselves to the hull of
FE>the vessel and were using their own thrusters to move the ship.
JH> Are you sure? It looked to me as if they had attacked their grapples
JH> to parts of the ship.
JH> BTW, in Knives, do you think that knob on the rear was put there for
JH> the express purpose of towing Starfuries like that?
Sounds like typical Military Redundency. Shoot you ever notice that
most military rigs have a pto connection on the back axle and the
front of the tranny?
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Msg : 327 of 384
From : Ecarey 1:101/230 .pä 31 .àé 95 18:12
To : Lawrence Heinke
Subj : THE KLINGONS VS THE BORG!
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
> EC-> But the Romulans and Cardassians and Klingons didn't have
> anything ca
> -> beating the Borg either -
LH> Wrong!!! The Klingons have a weapon that could be lethal to the
> Borg. The weapon could easily defeat them. It is called Blood Seed.
> I forget the episode but in TNG all of some planets lifeforms were
> being eradicated. The Enterprise was on some goose-chase looking for
> DNA. The Klingons had beaten them there, got the DNA and, destroyed
> the planet with Blood Seed a life devouring plasma. The Klingons
> could fire it at the Borg, the Borg would see it as not a threat, it
> would thereby destroy all DNA and render the ship inert. Klingons 1
> - Borg 0!
Of course, you're wrong.
The Federation and the Cardassians and the Romulans can ALL fairly easily
destroy all life on a \planet\. "Life-devouring plasma" is a good description of
most any of their energy weapons.
What none of them can do is generate enough power in those weapons to break
through the Borg shields and do significant damage to the Borg ships.
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Msg : 328 of 384
From : Ecarey 1:101/230 .åò 01 .þí 95 11:26
To : Frank Eva
Subj : B5 CATCH-UP
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
> RY "FE> This would be nice but it would require a company like Simon
> &
> RY "FE> Schuster to envision a profit for such a series of books. I
> RY "FE> personally think there are few publishers who would consider
> RY "FE> such a series profitable at this early stage, with B5 still
> a
> RY "FE> somewhat unproven commodity...
>
> RY "You are right about this. To make the point more poignant for
> my
> RY "son, "where are the micro-machines?"
>
FE> Yes, that's the same thing. Is the series popular enough to warrant
> a
> line of B5 toys? With the threat of cancellation looming over the
> show,
> I don't think anyone will find this license a safe investment...
FWIW, I talked to the program director at WSBK, the station that carries B5 in
the Boston market, and she said that B5 HAS been renewed. This is not the same
level of reliability as getting the information direct from Warner/PTEN, but it
surely means something, that WSBK expects to have B5 in its fall line-up.
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Msg : 329 of 384
From : Cmcdonough 1:101/230 .åò 01 .þí 95 20:05
To : Myranya Werlemann
Subj : DIRECTORIAL TRADEMARKS
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
MW> JB> Lucas's trademark is the numbers 1138. They appear in every one
MW> JB> of his films *somehow*.
MW> [ ]
MW> That's really interesting. Do you know _why_ it's 1138?
His first film was *THX-1138*
/s/ Craig
(or was it *TXH-1138*?)
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Msg : 330 of 384
From : Cmcdonough 1:101/230 .åò 01 .þí 95 20:57
To : Ecarey
Subj : ST: VOYAGER SURVIVES
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
::Steve Wesen wrote to Elisabeth Carey::
SW> > I Know that Voyager was not a direct rip off of Red Dwarf but it
SW> > is too close in some of its core properties that it seems just a
SW> > copy and we do not need this kind of Science Fiction.
EC>Have you ever read the Odyssey?
EC>This is NOT an irrelevent question.
Also, brownie points to those who can identify a movie considered
"classic" in SF that boldly/blatantly stole the plot from Shakespear's
*THE TEMPEST*.
/s/ Craig
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Msg : 331 of 384
From : Michelle Willey 1:379/37 .åò 01 .þí 95 23:18
To : Jack Butler
Subj : RE: CONFESSIONS ET. AL.
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 92-0315
On 26 May 95 06:48am, JACK BUTLER said the following:
JB> The rat-bastards who run WOFL, FOX 35 decided that Confessions and
JB> Lamentations was just a bit too intense, so they re-ran Knives instead.
JB> Do me a favor, if you will, and netmail me as detailed a synopsis of
JB> that episode as you can, please...
JB> God, I hate censors...
Now that really sucks. Especially since the remote control makes censorship
at the personal level ever so easy. What I don't want to see, I can cut by
flipping to another channel for a while. But I really hate it when some ivory
tower exec decides for me what should be seen and not seen, heard and not
heard. Sympathies, fellow watcher.
MICHELLE WILLEY
... The future is just not what it used to be.
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Msg : 332 of 384
From : Michelle Willey 1:379/37 .åò 01 .þí 95 23:18
To : John Kahane
Subj : RE: B5 TALK
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
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SW> JK**** Aww, you noticed. :) Seriously though, that's one of the
SW> things that
SW> JK****really annoys me about BABYLON 5. The show is definitely *not*
SW> on in prim
SW> JK****time in the area I get it. Unless prime time has been moved to
SW> midnight!
I'm really lucky. In Charlotte, NC, B5 is on at 8:00pm on Saturday, and at
11:00pm on Sunday (same episode). Two different channels carry the program so
even if one preempts (a dastardly act), I can still catch it on the other
channel.
MICHELLE WILLEY
... Evolution is God's way of issuing upgrades.
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Msg : 333 of 384
From : Michelle Willey 1:379/37 .åò 01 .þí 95 23:18
To : Frank Eva
Subj : RE: KNIVES
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
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Michelle is replying to FRANK who replied to RICHARD on 29 May 95 08:31am
FE> Lamentations". I know how hard this must be, especially when JMS uses
FE> other writers who don't have a full comprehension of the 5 year B5
FE> story arc, but I wish he would reveal more of the main story arc with
FE> each new episode...
I'm kind of torn on this issue. On one hand I really like the mystery and
having things revealed a little at a time. OTOH, I'm anxious to find out what
happens. I find myself caught between intrigued and frustrated.
MICHELLE WILLEY
... Planet 98% full. Delete politicians? (Y/y)
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Msg : 334 of 384
From : Bruce Baugh 1:105/290.50 .ÿò 02 .þí 95 20:10
To : Mark Jones
Subj : B5 Baseball
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (30 May 95) Mark Jones wrote to Starwolf...
MJ> Not necessarily--but the station *designers* may have been
MJ> baseball fans. EarthForce seems to be strongly influenced by
MJ> (if not descended from) the American government and culture.
MJ> Americans, as a whole, are bigger fans of baseball than of
MJ> zen.
For that matter, baseball is also _tremendously_ popular in Japan,
and in parts of the Third World. That part of the station could well
have been designed by someone other than an American.
... Rotisserie: A ferris wheel for chickens.
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Msg : 335 of 384
From : David Johnston 1:342/14 .óá 03 .þí 95 01:23
To : Mark Jones
Subj : Sliders - Bathroom? Wash
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> True enough--but not the whole story. (I agree that the "we can't
-> replicate really *big* things argument is an excuse for not making
-> full use of the technology, but....)
->
-> My modem is capable of transmitting as much data as anyone
-> else's--but only at 2400 baud (yes, I'm using stone-age technology
-> here).
->
-> It might take as much *total* energy to replicate an entire engine
-> block as to replicate the parts--but that's irrelevant if they can't
-> produce all the energy needed in one burst.
Of course the simple answer is just to build a bigger replicator.
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Msg : 336 of 384
From : Paul Worley 1:2601/515 .óá 03 .þí 95 02:45
To : Nicolai Shapero
Subj : Harlan Ellison
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
01 Jun 95 04:29, Nicolai Shapero wrote to Frank Eva:
NS> He was, in theory, working on a sequel to the Outer Limits
NS> episode, "DEMON WITH A GLASS HAND" entitled "DEMON ON THE RUN"
NS> for B5. But I haven't heard anything about this lately (no news
NS> is good news?)
Harlan is supposed to show up at DragonCon in July (Atlanta, GA) I'll try to
remember to ask him when I get up to him in the autograph line. Hope you can
wait 6 more weeks!!
Paul
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Msg : 337 of 384
From : Mark Jones 1:105/302.47 .óá 03 .þí 95 03:19
To : Gamin Davis
Subj : Counselor Troi
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (27 May 95) Gamin Davis wrote to Deana Kristof...
GD> Jesus H. Christ, are we back to THIS argument again??? Get this
GD> through your head, everybody: STARFLEET *IS* A MILITARY
GD> ORGANIZATION!! It's one with a few variations in focus, but it IS
GD> a military! Nor does it "lack discipline" or "security
GD> procedures". Anybody who thinks that simply hasn't been paying
GD> attention.
Well, actually, Deana vanished shortly after lighting the fuse on this
particular flame-fest. (Presumably she either learned her lesson or
gave us all up as mind-numbed proponents of militarism....)
But as long as you've brought it up....
I'll agree that Starfleet has "discipline", if by that you mean to say
that they have established procedures for disciplining people. I will
laugh long and loud if you claim they have *effective* discipline.
I'll also agree that Starfleet has "security procedures". And I'll
laugh even longer and louder if you argue that they are reasonable or
effective.
... God, please grant me more patience...RIGHT NOW!
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Msg : 338 of 384
From : Myra I Fox 1:123/10 .óá 03 .þí 95 07:25
To : Jack Butler
Subj : Joe Dawson
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-=>Quoting Jack Butler to Gloria Darcy<=-
GD> Great news, Jack! What about Joe? I haven't seen the second part yet
GD> of the season finale.
JB> As of right now, Joe Dawson will be back.
I haven't seen the second part yet... but I couldn't believe that
he was actually going to *use* the gun, I thought it was just a
last ditch effort to threaten her into giving the disk back to
him. Of course, that wasn't going to work since she really
believes that she is doing the right thing.
I wonder if he will get to sing again? Guess there are lots of
opportunities to sing the blues on this show.
... "Something strange is happening, MacLeod..." -- Joe Dawson
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Msg : 339 of 384
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .óá 03 .þí 95 07:56
To : All
Subj : B5 TRIVIA
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.42.bA 8060
Question: What Babylon 5 personality stars in the upcoming interactive
CD, Solar Eclipse, for the Sega Saturn?
Answer: Claudia Christian!
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Msg : 340 of 384
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .óá 03 .þí 95 07:56
To : All
Subj : X-FILES PAPERBACKS
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.42.bA 8060
The first 2 in this new series of original novels has been released, and
according to the salesman at Barnes and Noble, have been selling
briskly. In fact, the first novel, "Goblins", was completely sold out,
and I had to settle for #2, "Whirlwind", instead!
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Msg : 341 of 384
From : Karmin St.jean 1:321/309 .óá 03 .þí 95 08:07
To : Mark Jones
Subj : Starfleet Schmarfleet
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
>MM> 10. If your ships highly sophisticated automatic controls are unable
>MM> to cope with an unnatural cosmic fenomenon, try flying it
>MM> better manually!
>
> And I've got a couple, as well:
>
> 11. The use of fuses and circuit breakers is strictly prohibited!
>
> 12. All manual overrides must be electronically operated.
It would be so much easier if you just changed the gravitational constant of
the Universe.
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Msg : 342 of 384
From : Steven Skaggs 1:3608/250 .óá 03 .þí 95 22:22
To : Mark Jones
Subj : Re: Star Wars
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 94-2198
-=> Quoting Mark Jones to Vincent Mcconnell <=-
MJ> Talk is cheap. Even "official" talk. I still haven't seen or heard
MJ> anything to convince this is anything *but* talk.
MJ> And maybe someone will. But it HASN'T HAPPENED YET. And until
MJ> there's more evidence than a Hollywood *press release* (for God's
MJ> sake!), I still don't believe it will happen.
I take talk that comes directly from George Lucas a little more seriously
than just talk in general or Hollywood press realeases for that matter.
There was a short interview with George Lucas in TV guide several months
ago where he stated he would have a new Star Wars movie out by 2000. Yes,
he could change his mind but I kind of doubt it. He has been intending to
make more Star Wars movies for quite a while now.
MJ> ...and if the studio fanned the flames with rumors of an impending new
MJ> trilogy, the stuff will probably sell even better. No marketing exec
MJ> ever thought that "good enough" couldn't be improved.
That really doesn't explain why Lucas says he will do new movies. He
certainly doesn't need the money.
... You can tell fantasy from reality - if it sucks, it's real!
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Msg : 343 of 384
From : Earl Green 1:3822/1 .óá 03 .þí 95 22:46
To : Frank Eva
Subj : B5 RERUNS???
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
FE>Does anyone know what happened to the last 5 episodes in this season's
FE>schedule? (The Long Twilight Struggle, Divided Loyalties, Comes the
FE>Inquisitor, The Price of Peace, and The Fall of Night (season finale)).
FE>We've had reruns 3 weeks in a row!
First off..."Fall of Night" is the final title of an episode that was
originally named "The Price of Peace"; the latter title was instead
used for one of the comics.
As for the big question, Warner Bros. has decided to hold the last
four episodes until *October*, allegedly to build interest for the
beginning of the third season, which hasn't even been approved at this
time. Season 2 will be re-running ad nauseum till then.
e
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Msg : 344 of 384
From : Richard Yamagata 1:203/955 .óá 03 .þí 95 23:19
To : John Kahane
Subj : B5 Catch-Up
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Hello John and all visitors to this echo! The sight with the plot synopsis and
analysis that I visit regularly is: http://www.hyperion.com
From there you just select: The Lurker's Guide to Babylon 5 to go into the most
complete B5 site in the world -- at least that is my opinion.
Your work posting the synopsises on the B5 echo is wonderful. It is also a lot
of work. I try to collect what is posted on the World Wide Web and I have to
cut and nip and format and... it is a lot of work. Matter of fact, I do not
bother to even fix what I collect up, unless someone like Frank Eva requests me
to netmail something to him. I have 2 netmail requests at present and I am
trying to fulfill them. Ry
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Msg : 345 of 384
From : Richard Yamagata 1:203/955 .óá 03 .þí 95 23:23
To : Frank Eva
Subj : B5 COMIC
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
FE> According to the letters column in issue #5, DC Comics will be rotating
FE> teams of artists/writers. So, even though the current look has improved,
FE> there is no guarantee this same team will continue to produce the B5
FE> comic...
Hi Frank, I just signed up a Comic shop with my Web Presence development firm.
So, I will soon be getting the B5 comics, regularly. Hopefully, I will be able
to pick-up the back issues without losing a limb in the process. Ry
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Msg : 346 of 384
From : Richard Yamagata 1:203/955 .óá 03 .þí 95 23:48
To : Frank Eva
Subj : B5 TALK
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
FE> FS "(Delenn). In fact, she's probably my least favorite
FE> character.
FE> She used to be one of my favorites, before she underwent the
FE> "change"...
I have to say that I found this last episode very unsettling when it came to
Delenn. We are in the re-run phase that will last until August, I read on the
Net, so I can discuss this weird scene. Where are they going with this, "will
you call me John?" As it is, they imply that Delenn and Commander Sinclair
were married in that episode long ago where they were exchanging culture and
customs. It seems that this bit was penned by JMS back, before they decided
that Sinclair was to leave. It made no sense to me.
Other than that, I loved this episode. I think that Richard Biggs makes every
plot line and scene on B5 that he is a part -- work. This episode, I could find
not a single scene of his that I could criticize. When I first saw the promos,
my first thought was, "oh no, another attempt at trying to capitalize
on that Dustin Hoffman movie." Well, I do not think you could say that. This
episode had a message and a moral. It also ended in a way that shakes you to
the core. I find it ironic that they were able to save the race of carrion
eaters and yet not save a race with eating habits more in line with humans.
This was an excellent episode for me. It was interesting that they used a
little person (PC) to play the young girl, not a child. That was an interesting
choice. It seems that all in all, you cannot say that Billy Mummy is given
fluff pieces. His part in this episode was significant. It was also memorable
and left a lasting impression upon me. It also adds to the arguement why the
role of the Narn Ambassador aide changed.
Lastly, after this, I think that the Janet Greek season finale written by JMS is
going to be something that is going to knock everyone's socks off and have the
VCR playing over and over. She is the finest of the B5 directors in my opinion.
The sound tracks of her episodes should be nominated for awards and sold on CDs.
I am so excited by what the future portends for this series. We are seeing the
creation of another classic series. JMS builds up the plot
lines and the expectations, but he has yet to disappoint me.
I remember that BATTLESTAR GALACTICA would build up these new and unique plot
lines that had all types of implications and then... just peter out or have some
rediculous conclusion that was a no-brainer.
B5 just gets better and better. JMS, the directors and the actors all are
honing their art -- by year 5 it will be something that very few Sci-fi
programmers could not even begin to match coming out of the future starting
blocks. Ry
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Msg : 347 of 384
From : Richard Yamagata 1:203/955 .óá 03 .þí 95 23:58
To : Brian Henderson
Subj : B5 Ripoff: Ds9
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
BH> I'm not saying that Robyn was wrong. I said that B5 *WAS* an investment
BH> of time and that is what I like about it. The plotlines *WILL* end neatly
BH> BH> at the end of the series, I assume, but you do have to spend some BH>
BH> time thinking about the show. That is one of it's best qualities.
Here, here, you are preaching to the choir! You are absolutely, 100% correct.
(This is in no reference and not meant to paraphrase OJ .)
BH> You said at the end that "unfortunately, B5 is not like Star
BH> Trek". There is nothing unfortunate about it. It is not supposed to be
BH> like Star Trek, and if it was, I certainly wouldn't watch it.
Again, I have to agree with you. I do not watch DS9. I do not watch Voyager
on a regular basis. I may tape the episodes for someone else to watch, but that
is where it ends. The only show that I tape, archive an watch religiously is
BABYLON 5. B5 is the only show that I try to interest people in watching on a
regular basis. Ry
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Msg : 348 of 384
From : Richard Yamagata 1:203/955 .cê 04 .þí 95 00:06
To : Brian Henderson
Subj : B5 Vs St
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
BH> Absolutely. I think I've seen most of the heavy arc episodes at least 5-6
BH> times now. You just have to keep going back and picking up the clues in
BH> light of new information. My next episode will be "Deathwalker" BH> to try
BH> to piece together the Kosh/Talia angle.
You are a person that should be commended as one of the FAITHFUL. It is people
like you that will keep the interest in this series high with inciteful
discussion. Matter of fact I would like to hear what your conclusions are from
this episode. Did Ivanova really say something to the effect that the Vorlon
were immortal? What does the episode show that Dr. Franklin do with
DEATHWALKER's blood sample?
BH> B5 *HAS* magic. It makes you look forward to the next episode. I can't
BH> this week. So what? B5 is a show that appeals to fans of written sci-fi.
Some of your analysis I will have to keep around and quote in a feature article
about Babylon 5! I agree with you completely on this.
"Everyone eventually comes to Babylon 5." Even more true today, than it was
4 years ago! Ry
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Msg : 349 of 384
From : Richard Yamagata 1:203/955 .cê 04 .þí 95 00:09
To : Gary Tincher
Subj : Who to write to for B5
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Gary, Good News, B5 has been renewed and the future is BRIGHT. MICROMACHINES
has come out with Babylon 5 toys, which means that the powers that be are sure
that B5 is something that will be marketable for some time to come.
Did you send in your postcard? That in itself shows the marketing potential for
the show and shows advertisers that the people that watch B5 do see the
commercials and act upon them. I send in at least a half dozen by now.
SUPPORT BABYLON 5. Convert your friends to B5 watchers! Converse with JMS on
GEnie, CIS or Delphi! Ry
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Msg : 350 of 384
From : Richard Yamagata 1:203/955 .cê 04 .þí 95 00:32
To : Gary Tincher
Subj : Who to write to for B5
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
* In a message originally to All, Gary Tincher said:
GT> Anyone have an address to write to to keep B5 on the air?
GT> Or is it too late... :(
I thought about your request and heck, it is never too late to show your local
station that you support Babylon 5. Just tell me the city and state that the
TV station is locate that you receive your B5 broadcasts from, and I will supply
you with the address.
Thank you for your willingness to write and show your support for B5. Maybe we
can demonstrate enough B5 support that next year B5's renewal will become a
foregone conclusion!!! Ry
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Msg : 351 of 384
From : Richard Yamagata 1:203/955 .cê 04 .þí 95 00:34
To : Steven Wirsz
Subj : B5 Ripoff: Ds9
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
SW> ST:TOS - Man will survive through resourcefulness
SW> ST:TNG - Socialist Utopias (The "enlightened" Federation) will save the
universe SW> ST:DS9 - ""
SW> ST:Voy - ""
SW> B5 - Got two or three pages to spare??
Excellent summary!
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Msg : 352 of 384
From : Richard Yamagata 1:203/955 .cê 04 .þí 95 00:40
To : Frank Eva
Subj : B5 Catch-Up
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
FE> RY "You are right about this. To make the point more
FE> RY poignant for my son, "where are the micro-machines?"
FE> Yes, that's the same thing. Is the series popular enough to warrant a
FE> line of B5 toys? With the threat of cancellation looming over the show,
FE> I don't think anyone will find this license a safe investment...
It is fortunate that dreams do take form and become reality. Babylon 5 has been
renewed for season 3 and Micro-Machines have produced 4 sets of B5 models. Of
course this is only fraction of the number of Trek Micro-Machines, but it is a
healthy start! What I feared is that JMS would put a kabosh on the whole deal
with his view that marketing and fanchising can be demeaning -- one of the
messages found in one of the recent episodes. I think this is a very good sign
that we will see all 5 years of Babylon 5. Ry
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Msg : 353 of 384
From : Richard Yamagata 1:203/955 .cê 04 .þí 95 01:01
To : Brian Henderson
Subj : B5 Ripoff: Ds9
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
BH> Go to any Toys-R-Us for the Micro Machines. They are *VERY* nice (I have
BH> all four sets). And yes, JMS is very bothered by the way the Star Trek
BH> Marketing Machine works and has vowed to have B5 stand alone, not just BH>
BH> be a vehicle to sell action figures and toys. I admire someone who can stand
BH> up for their principles like that rather than sell out to the highest
BH> bidder.
I really appreciate this post. I will head out there ASAP. My son's birthday
is coming up an this will be perfect timing! Considering the detail on the Trek
and Star Wars Micro Machines, I expect the B5 ones to be made with as much eye
to detail.
As for your words about JMS and marketing, we will have to see as Frand Eva
says. If we see Lando dolls and B5 bears, we will know that someone has sold
out or lost control of the licensing.
BH> Well, considering that both UPN and WBN have dumped their entire
BH> programming lineup (except for Voyager and DS9, natch), I don't think
This is laughable. So, you mean to tell me that VOYAGER Q&A did not save the
UPN line-up like they thought it would? It shows that Trekkers are not as rabid
as Paramount was banking on them to be.
As for one show, Platypus Man, I liked that show and watched it when it came on
after Voyager. Once they moved it a half hour a way, I did not follow it,
for I am a rabid Kelley fan and switche to CHICAGO HOPE. Of course I do not
think it would matter now, considering I do not even watch Voyager regularly at
this period in time.
Thanks again for this post. Ry
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Msg : 354 of 384
From : Richard Yamagata 1:203/955 .cê 04 .þí 95 01:04
To : Brian Henderson
Subj : B5 Talk
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
BH> Screen Actor Guild rules demand that if the actor is in a certain number
BH> of episodes (I think it is 12, but am probably wrong), they BH> must be
BH> pictured in the opening credits.
Brian, What I want people to comment on is that Richard Biggs is not listed as a
headliner star. It says "also starring." I want him elevated to "Starring" an
to appear in as many episodes as possible. Ry
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Msg : 355 of 384
From : Chris Carter 1:105/302.23 .cê 04 .þí 95 01:34
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : Vorlon Immortality
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
CC> Hot off the 'Lost Scenes' webpage at Hyperion,
JH> Cool. Any more of these you could share?
I suppose. But when will the right context come up in which to post
this stuff? Should I just start posting lost scenes from B5 until I
run out?
CC> "I've looked upon the face of a Vorlon, Laurel...and nothing's
CC> the same anymore."
JH> So they have faces, at least to human observers. Hmm.
But is the face referred to literal, (like the face of a corporeal
being) or the Doctor speaking in a more figurative sense? I'm
inclined to believe that latter, myself.
CC> Not exactly *revealing*, but at the very least, we know that
CC> folks who see Kosh don't come away from the experience
CC> unchanged.
JH> Heck, we knew that from Delenn.
Oook!
JH> I think they're going to see what they think of as God... how
JH> JMS will show that so that the viewers will visualize that
JH> without making it overobvious and/or cheesy, I dunno.
I certainly have no clue on this either. But I don't underestimate
Straczynski's ability to do it well.
As long as Vorlons don't look like that thing at the center of the
galaxy from Star Trek 5, I'll be forgiving.
Chris - carter@teleport.com
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Msg : 356 of 384
From : Mark Jones 1:105/302.47 .cê 04 .þí 95 02:56
To : Jeff Schlenker
Subj : White Dwarf
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (30 May 95) Jeff Schlenker wrote to Sean McCormick...
JS> Well, I must admit that I just couldn't get into it. After about 45
JS> minutes, I shut the tape off. I don't know, maybe I missed something,
JS> but to me it was generally boring.
It wasn't just you. It *was* incoherent, implausible and boring.
It looked to me like the writers thought that science fiction is
anything that involves a) other planets, b) weird gadgetry (like
"tissue gloves"), c) preposterous animals, and d) plots that are
incomprehensible (expecting the audience to simply go along with the
gag, like the emperor's new clothes).
... Power corrupts, and absolute power... is absolutely divine!
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Msg : 357 of 384
From : Tony Trujillo 1:280/9 .cê 04 .þí 95 02:57
To : Kay Shapero
Subj : Re: Sliders Continuity
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: GE 1.11+
KS>> ...lose the dog
TT>>I wouldn't have even considered taking the dog with
TT>>me when his barking gave away Wade's position
KS> Ditto.
Dear Quinn and Company,
Hate you
Took the "slide" box
Find your own way back home
-- Henry
KS> until I heard the show had been cancelled.
That's really going to put a crimp on the folks who were
trying to get a Fidonet SLIDERS echo going. That's one thing
about starting a echo based on a single television series is
that when it goes off the air you're stuck for conversation.
I have a fear that will happen to MST3K (the echo I
"moderate") but at least we get a season 7 (shortened season
however) and a movie that should be coming out sometime by
the end of this year.
All in all it should make for a interesting year for MST3K.
... Honest, Officer! The dwarf was on fire when I got here!
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Msg : 358 of 384
From : Mark Jones 1:105/302.47 .cê 04 .þí 95 03:05
To : Frank Eva
Subj : Torres in Faces
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (01 Jun 95) Frank Eva wrote to Mark Jones...
MJ> The story about B'Lanna being split into her Klingon and Human
MJ> halves is the sort of "technobabble" I can accept. The notion of
MJ> splitting her into two separate beings is as unlikely as
MJ> everything else they've done--but I was willing to grant the
MJ> premise in order to see how the character dealt with the problem.
FE>
FE> Except that it had already been done before in ST:TOS' The Enemy
FE> Within. To me, that is unacceptable...
It would have *been* acceptable (to me, anyhow, and possibly even to
you) if they had LEFT her that way. If B'Lanna had been *permanently*
transformed into a mere human, her Klingon self dead dead dead...that
would have made it worthwhile. We could have had many, many episodes
worth of angst.
She'd have had to recreate her identity from ashes. How much of what
she had been was genetic, and how much environmental? How much of the
traits she admires (in herself and in others) were *solely* the
product of her Klingon half, and which weaknesses? And can she find
the resources in what's left to recreate those admirable qualities?
What previously unexpressed weaknesses would she suffer, now that the
Klingon persona was gone forever?
THIS would have been new ground. Kirk was split in half, true--but
only temporarily. B'Lanna could have been forced to live with the
transformation forever. It would have been a great episode.
Instead, of course, they made sure she was completely restored to the
status quo by the next episode. Blech!
... Ex Unu, Plurus (From One, Many) - This option looks better every day!
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Msg : 359 of 384
From : Mark Jones 1:105/302.47 .cê 04 .þí 95 03:14
To : Pamela Crossett
Subj : Earth 2 & HIGHLANDER
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (01 Jun 95) Pamela Crossett wrote to Gloria Darcy...
PC> I am looking forward to the season finale's second part tonight.
PC> Although I bet we're left hanging somehow. (here's a nother reason to
PC> hate Dallas - "who shot JR" really made everyone step up the series
PC> cliff-hangers.
So was I, blast it. But those unprintable ***-*******, *************
rat bastards at KATU, who only air it at 12:35 a.m. on Sunday morning
in the first place, preempted it this week for a *#%&#@(%(#
"Children's Miracle Network Telethon".
May they rot in hell.
...not that I'm at all bitter, mind you.
... Mail not found. Begin whine/pout sequence? (Y/n)?_
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Msg : 360 of 384
From : Mark Jones 1:105/302.47 .cê 04 .þí 95 03:19
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : ST: The Next Generation
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (01 Jun 95) Jeff Hancock wrote to Mark Jones...
JH> MJ>BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZT!!!
JH> MJ>Wrong--but thanks for playing!
JH>
JH> Wrong or not (and guess which one I'm picking), you do not have
JH> to be so smartassed about it.
No offense intended. Next time I'll add the :-) symbol.
MJ> Neelix was perfectly capable of living for an indefinite period
MJ> while in that stasis field, with the holo-lungs doing his
MJ> breathing for
JH>
JH> Didn't the doctor state that that could not be done for an extended
JH> period of time?
Uhhmmm...maybe he did. Even so, completely editing B'Lanna's DNA was
only going to take a week, according to the holo-doc, so if Neelix
could last a week or so with holo-lungs...the story doesn't hold
water.
JH> Admittedly it makes no sense, but their "advanced" form of that
JH> machine wouldn't work for more than what, 48 hours? It may be a
JH> step backward, but that's the way the writers set it up.
Which is why I find it silly. When your advanced technology is less
capable than stone-age 20th century technology, something is wrong.
Since the doc is programmed (in his own words) with the full history
of Federation medicine, presumably he is aware of the 20th century
heart-lung machine...and could have had one replicated (or built by
the engineering staff).
JH> What would make more sense is to put him into a transporter
JH> buffer loop such as was done with Scotty.
I dunno. To quote Larry Niven out of context, "*I* wouldn't ride in
the damn thing!"
Given the frequency with which Voyager is attacked or damaged
accidentally, and the power shortages...I don't think being stored in
RAM is particularly safe. If they just cut to the chase and backed
him up on disk, that'd be something else again.
... Mac, this is Dana Scully. Agent Scully, Duncan McLeod....
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Msg : 361 of 384
From : Starwolf 1:163/214 .cê 04 .þí 95 03:22
To : Mark Jones
Subj : B5 Baseball
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
MJ> bigger fans of baseball than of zen. So when they had X cubic meters
MJ> of space left over after building all the essential bits, they had a
MJ> choice to make: devote most of it to a baseball diamond, or a zen
MJ> garden?
MJ> The choice was obvious....
Yes. Unfortunately, they managed to get it wrong anyway.
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Msg : 362 of 384
From : Richard Yamagata 1:203/955 .cê 04 .þí 95 03:32
To : Brian Henderson
Subj : Best Sf
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
BH> Well... he *IS*. Don't get me wrong, I've known Harlan for a long time,
BH> a bad attitude is about the best you'll ever expect to get
BH> from him. Sheesh, you want to see bad, try to see him at a SF convention
BH> sometime. He sits around and badmouths the con, the people, his fans, you
BH> name it and then volunteers to come again next year.
This is the best characterization that I have read of Harlan Ellison in years!!!
Ry
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Msg : 363 of 384
From : Mark Jones 1:105/302.47 .cê 04 .þí 95 03:32
To : Tom Robinson
Subj : EARTH 2/SO LONG
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (02 Jun 95) Tom Robinson wrote to Robert Lidgren...
TR> I remember tuning out the "who's the leader" thread months ago
TR> after they tried to leave Julia behind. What a crock that was.
It was actually the first intelligent thing they'd ever done since
they landed on that stupid planet. Naturally, they changed what
passes for their minds in the next episode.
TR> I don't mean to be bitter about this, but I'm tired of people
TR> trying to pick E2 apart like a bunch of scavengers. There was nothing
TR> wrong with the show as it was. The characters were fully realized,
TR> the sicence/society was well thought out, and the story development
TR> was far more interesting than B5 could ever hope to be.
The characters were fools, the "science" was laughable and the
society was preposterous. This show was tripe of the worst kind.
This is all just my opinion, of course.
Up to now, I've held my tongue while you folks lamented the demise
of Earth2. I had absolutely no use for the show, but I'd already
taken my shots at it months ago and gloating over its corpse didn't
seem like a very productive thing to do. Just because I didn't like
it didn't mean it wouldn't be missed.
But if you're going to bitch about the criticisms, I'll feel free
to respond.
... Waco: proof that Janet Reno approves of children smoking....
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Msg : 364 of 384
From : Richard Yamagata 1:203/955 .cê 04 .þí 95 03:35
To : Frank Eva
Subj : Babylon 5 (PTEN)
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
* In a message originally to Brian Henderson, Frank Eva said:
FE> BH>You said at the end that "unfortunately, B5 is not like Star Trek".
FE> BH>There is nothing unfortunate about it. It is not supposed to be like
FE> BH>Star Trek, and if it was, I certainly wouldn't watch it.
FE> I think what Richard meant was that B5 is not as accepted as
FE> Star Trek; therefore, it's future is always going to be tenuous...
Thank you Frank for making it clear what I meant; it is unfortunate that B5 does
not share in the "sure thing" mentality that Voyager seems to enjoy. I mean, I
have not heard of any of the B5 cast going out and buying a condo in Malibu or a
Porsche, like I heard some of the Voyager Cast did when they had their contract
in hand. Ry
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Msg : 365 of 384
From : Rumble 1:163/436 .cê 04 .þí 95 09:48
To : All
Subj : I saw the missing Earth 2 Episode!!!
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
I saw the missing Earth 2 episode! It was pretty good. Dansiger and Bess were
sprayed by some pollen and it controlled them and made them walk up north to
deposit it in a big hole, you know just like bees move frome flower to flower. I
should have taped it for you guys but I remebered when I was half way through
it!
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Msg : 366 of 384
From : Gary Tincher 1:372/57 .cê 04 .þí 95 12:02
To : Frank Eva
Subj : B5 RERUNS???
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-=> Quoting Frank Eva to All <=-
FE> Does anyone know what happened to the last 5 episodes in this season's
FE> schedule? (The Long Twilight Struggle, Divided Loyalties, Comes the
FE> Inquisitor, The Price of Peace, and The Fall of Night (season
FE> finale)). We've had reruns 3 weeks in a row!
They won't be shown until the end of the year.. like october. to run into
the new season 3 if there is one..
Gary
... "There can be only One!" Connor McCloud. 'Highlander'
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Msg : 367 of 384
From : Gary Tincher 1:372/57 .cê 04 .þí 95 12:02
To : Earl Green
Subj : Fox facts
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Any news on B5 or Kung Fu.?
Gary
... I am Barney of Borg. Being assimilated is fun!
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Msg : 368 of 384
From : Nicolai Shapero 1:102/524 .cê 04 .þí 95 12:33
To : Jeff Schlenker
Subj : Re: Star Trek
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On , Jeff Schlenker (1:288/19) wrote to Chip Garner:
JS>*===============================================================*
JS>* Jeffrey A. Schlenker >>>Internet<<< *
JS>* Hazel, South Dakota jeff.schlenker@lake-city.com *
JS>*===============================================================*
JS>... Thinking quickly, Spock opens a can of peas with his ears
JS> ___ TagDude 0.87 [Unregistered] --- --- < Sig-It > v3.00 by Brandon S. Bell
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Msg : 369 of 384
From : Keith Stokes 1:280/9 .cê 04 .þí 95 12:41
To : Jeff Ewart
Subj : WorldCon in LA/96
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: GE 1.11+
Quoting a message from Jeff Ewart to All:
JE> I'm planning to going to LA for the '96 WorldCon and was
JE> wondering if anybody had suggestions on what else to do
JE> while there (guest juror at the O.J. Simpson trial). Should
JE> be an awesome tour as we plan on flying to Vegas and
JE> driving to LA via the Grand Canyon. Hopefully California
JE> will not have fallen into the ocean by then.
The more obvious sights include Disney World, Martha's Vineyard, the
LA Club's Clubhouse, the movie studeos and Forry Ackerman's home.
See you there!
Keith
KC 2K
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Msg : 370 of 384
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .cê 04 .þí 95 13:12
To : Todd Sullivan
Subj : B5 COMIC
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.42.bA 8060
TS>To paraphrase Heinlein's comments, "You have to be entertaining.
TS>Art for art's ske pays no bills."
TS>DC knows (or think they do) what B-5 is all about, and the fact the
TS>comic sells means that they're not that far off.
All well and good, but I won't be buying another issue because the
comics don't reveal enough new information for me...
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Msg : 371 of 384
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .cê 04 .þí 95 13:12
To : Kay Shapero
Subj : Confessions & Lamentation
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.42.bA 8060
KS> FE>like MedLab, Sheridan said... "I can't let you out". If the
KS> FE>disease truly was "airborn", why would it have made any
KS> FE>difference to let Delenn and Lennier out, since EVERYONE had
KS> FE>already been exposed?
KS>There are degrees of exposure, and theirs would certainly have been
KS>higher. However I suspect the real reason would be political -
KS>everybody on the station was afraid of catching it too and they'd be
KS>in serious danger if they left again before there was a cure,
KS>evidence they were not suceptable, or both.
Good point!
KS> FE>2. Now that the Markabs have been totally wiped out, we viewers
KS> FE>are deprived of what seemed to be a very interesting race of
KS> FE>aliens.
KS>And the Babylon 5 universe of one more slant of view on the universe.
KS>A big loss all around. You'll note that that news announcer said
KS>that there were probably surviving individuals in remote places, but
KS>the Markab civilization was dead; maybe some of these survivors will
KS>pop up later.
Yeah, that was kind of the gist of the last comment in my post, that
somehow JMS could discover an isolated colony of Markabs... if he wants
to bring them back...
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Msg : 372 of 384
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .cê 04 .þí 95 13:12
To : Nicolai Shapero
Subj : Harlan Ellison
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.42.bA 8060
NS>He was, in theory, working on a sequel to the Outer Limits episode,
NS>"DEMON WITH A GLASS HAND" entitled "DEMON ON THE RUN" for B5. But I
NS>haven't heard anything about this lately (no news is good news?)
Or, he could just be stalling, like he did when he wrote City on the
Edge of Forever. Of course, you can't rush an artiste! :-)
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Msg : 373 of 384
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .cê 04 .þí 95 13:12
To : Kay Shapero
Subj : Knives
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.42.bA 8060
KS>By the very nature of things, we don't know for sure just how much of
KS>the story arc is really effected by an episode. Both of the above
Anyone who knows the main storylines in the arc would not agree with
this comment... and I'm afraid I'm one of them! :-)
KS>involve strong character focus, and changes to the environment as a
KS>whole be it the political repercussions of Londo's live opera plot in
KS>Knives, or the loss of an entire civilization in "Confessions". The
KS>effects THIS could have are many and varied.
Sure, you need this kind of stuff in a series, I don't deny that. Star
Trek proved that you can't have a successful sci-fi on TV without good
character development. I simply wish they could come up with a decent
balance between character development and story arc development in each
episode. That would make the series more interesting to me...
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Msg : 374 of 384
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .cê 04 .þí 95 13:12
To : David Johnston
Subj : Voyager Nose Diving?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.42.bA 8060
DJ>So, you don't like Paris and Kim?
Not particularly... But not enough to stop watching. I am also not
enamored with Torres, Tuvok, Janeway, Kes, and Neelix, either...
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Msg : 375 of 384
From : Frank Glover 1:2613/477 .cê 04 .þí 95 14:10
To : J.T. Smith
Subj : Re: ST: VOYAGER SURVIVES
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
JS> SW> Star Trek Voyager's Q&A should have had this question :
JS> SW> Why did is their backbone story Ideas stolen from Red Dwarf?
JS> SW> A Ship 3 million light years from home.
JS> SW> A Hologramatic crew member.
JS> SW> Short cuts are constanty provided and fail.
JS> SW> And the cheaky reference when they went by a Red Dwarf.
JS>
JS> Them passing by a red dwarf is nae uncommon. As for the others, I
JS> think ye
JS> may be reading a wee bit much into it.
Agreed. Trek long ago established the possibility of self-aware holographic
characters (*too* often, if anything), Voyager is only 70k light years from
Federation known space (3 million would not only be outside the galaxy, but even
past Andromeda), and red dwarf (note the lower case) stars are more common in
the universe than any other stellar type. (Astronomy magazine, April 1991, p.
31, for those who wish to check me out) So in any particular direction, your
chances of passing relatively near one are pretty good....
And since getting home in a practical period of time is Voyager's problem,
and the series as we know it would end if they succeeded (though I don't see why
we couldn't follow the further adventures of the USS Voyager if they did...), we
can expect to see a number of stories with potential shortcuts home that fail.
(After all, an unintentional shortcut *put* them there, and DS9 advenntures are
based on their proximity to a stable wormhole to another otherwise inaccessable
part of the galaxy....
Frank
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Msg : 376 of 384
From : Michael Vergara 1:2605/631 .cê 04 .þí 95 18:22
To : Tom Robinson
Subj : Earth 2
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: GE 1.11+
Said Tom Robinson to Robert Lidgren about EARTH 2/SO LONG:
TR> I don't mean to be bitter about this, but I'm tired of people
TR> trying to pick E2 apart like a bunch of scavengers. There was nothing
TR> wrong with the show as it was. The characters were fully realized,
I sometimes think that there was a problem with the _people_ who watch the show
(or try to) and not the show itself. To follow the plot, the show had to be
watched from show to show continuously, and if you missed one, you had to pray
for one of the few times they'd rerun an episode. Alot of the people I know
just didn't want to commit themselves to watching it during Earth 2's time slot
(because of all of the reschedualing the show had to endure) or didn't like the
idea of having to watch EVERY episode EVERY week, and watching it the WHOLE way
through. If you didn't, you'd miss an important part of the underlying plot, a
clue to one of the mysteries, or a scene which develops one of the characters
(like the episode where they leave Julia behind -- that shocked me, considering
she was their only doctor on an alien planet).
Of course, most of the people I know that didn't like the show are the
channel-surfing type who switch from show to show every 12 seconds and have an
attention span of zilch.
After this last episode (the series finally), I hope NBC re-runs the series
during the summer so I can get a last glimpse of Earth 2 before it bites the
dust.
... Sexist? Why some of my best friends are Bimbos!
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Msg : 377 of 384
From : Keith Stokes 1:280/9 .cê 04 .þí 95 20:44
To : Jeff Ewart
Subj : WorldCon in LA/96
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: GE 1.11+
Awk!!!!!!
My reply should have included Disney Land not World and Knot's Berry Farm not
Martha's Vineyard.
I must stop posting when I am sober!
CBIP 226/309 in Emma Bull's WAR FOR THE OAKS.
Keith
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Msg : 378 of 384
From : Kay Shapero 1:102/524 .cê 04 .þí 95 21:39
To : Frank Eva
Subj : B5 RERUNS???
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On , Frank Eva (1:154/750) wrote to All:
FE>Does anyone know what happened to the last 5 episodes in this
FE>season's schedule? (The Long Twilight Struggle, Divided Loyalties,
FE>Comes the Inquisitor, The Price of Peace, and The Fall of Night (season
FE>finale)). We've had reruns 3 weeks in a row!
There seem to be 4, not 5; not sure of the titles. And I'm afraid you'll have a
lot more reruns - evidently the new episodes are being held until October.
Here's what JMS had to say on the subject in an interview on Delphi:
.CompuJohn>
Are the rumors true that the last 4 episodes of season 2 won't be
shown in the US until October ?
STRACZYNSKI>
Yes, they are correct. Ain't my decision. The Powers That Be
figure that if they hold off the last 4, they can use them to lead
up to the start of the (hopefully) new season in November, and get
us off to a good start. They say that HUTS (Households Using TV)
figures are very low for June, July and August, since everybody's out.
In September, you're right up against the new blockbuster network
shows, and their PR machine, so that leaves October. My opinion...
...is my opinion. ga (I can chew glass too when required.)
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Msg : 379 of 384
From : Kay Shapero 1:102/524 .cê 04 .þí 95 21:50
To : Frank Eva
Subj : B5 RERUNS???
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Just checked - the four episodes yet to be aired this season are:
"Divided Loyalties"
"The Long, Twilight Struggle"
"Comes the Inquisitor"
"The Fall of Night"
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Msg : 380 of 384
From : Derek Wakefield 1:393/7 .cê 04 .þí 95 22:15
To : Karmin St.jean
Subj : Re: Star Blazers
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On Wed 24-May-1995 10:40 , Karmin St.jean said to Chris Baugh:
KS> The original name of the series was Space Cruiser Yamato, but the ship was
KS> renamed the Argo in Star Blazers. There were three series created, only
KS> two of which "Quest for Iscandar" and "Battle Against the Comet Empire"
KS> were ever shown on American TV. The third series, "The Bolar Wars" is
KS> available but was not aired (at least not in wide syndication like the
KS> other two.)
Star Blazers 3 (The Bolar Wars) was aired on Ch-66 in Chicago back in the 84-85
timeframe. It was offered for syndication, but very few stations picked it up
because of the original "barter" oriented licencing system used by Claster TV
when the first two series were originally distributed in 79. It is also
practically an uncut version of the original Yamato III series. Therefore, in
light of the violent nature, and the "religious war" subplots involved, this
probably caused a number of local stations to pass on it. There were also a lot
of Japanime shows hitting the airwaves during this period of time; such as
Voltron, Robotech, Captain Harlock and the Queen of a Thousand Years, etc. This
caused local stations to be a bit leary of picking up yet another one.
Derek (/\).
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Msg : 381 of 384
From : Pamela Crossett 1:325/118 .cê 04 .þí 95 22:40
To : Mark Jones
Subj : HighLander, The Series
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
MJ> It looks to *me* like the "big changes" will consist of someone
MJ> letting the immortal cat out of the watchers' bag.
MJ> Consider Duncan MacLeod, for instance.
MJ> If the French government were to begin checking out reports of
MJ> headless bodies found around France and comparing them to Duncan's
MJ> file...well, they'd find a very hard-to-shrug-off correlation. He
MJ> might have some explaining to do.
Well, you've made a very good point, although my take on the finale was
that Kallas' computer was destroyed BEFORE it sent out the faxes to all
newspapers (etc.). But, it certainly would make things a bit hairier.
Or maybe too hairy?????
You know, up until I got your post, I was satisfied with the finale as not
leaving me hanging. Now I'm cursing & moaning, and of course anxiously &
impatiently awaiting next season. So I don't know whether to bless you and
damn you :-( :-) ???? But thanks for the fresh point of view.
I hope that they renew contracts Jack is talking about and there is a
season 5. This is one of my top three shows and I will be disappointed to
see it end. There is so little good stuff on the tube these days, and I
hate to let go of anything with this much potential.
I feel there is a lot of ground yet to cover. I greatly admire Gregory
Weiden's conception of the characters and would like to know more. Do you
have any idea of where I could "read more about it?"
Good hearing from you, and thanks for writing.
Pam
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Msg : 382 of 384
From : Nicolai Shapero 1:102/524 .îí 05 .þí 95 04:52
To : Frank Eva
Subj : B5 RERUNS???
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On , Frank Eva (1:154/750) wrote to All:
FE>Does anyone know what happened to the last 5 episodes in this
FE>season's
FE>schedule?
As I understand it, they will be broadcast in October or November.
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Msg : 383 of 384
From : Nicolai Shapero 1:102/524 .îí 05 .þí 95 05:09
To : ROBERT LIDGREN
Subj : LOCALE?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On , ROBERT LIDGREN (1:134/10) wrote to NICOLAI SHAPERO:
RL>By the way, from what city do you hail?
San Mateo, originally. Currently hanging my hat in the Desolation of Smog (Los
Angeles, California, USA).
RL>Where is Stormgate Aerie located? That's one of the puzzles of
RL>the Internet
FidoNet, not Internet.
Cheers,
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Msg : 384 of 384
From : Andrew Boudreaux 1:396/82 .îí 05 .þí 95 13:55
To : All
Subj : Tommy is better...
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.41/g 7992
The results are in and Tommy is approved to stand up, work at his regular
job(s)and will be cleared soon to have sex(with a partner).
This sickness has effected his brain. He can not function for setting a
meeting date yet. From time to time he forgets where he parked his hard drive.
Now he can get lost on a road trip to visit CoCo users out of town.
So everyone try to be nice to Tommy while he is recoverring from this
terrible illness. If he breaks off and starts talking about anything in the
middle of a conversation, just go along with it. Tina said that this thought
process works great because the minute he starts talking about sex she can
change the subject to the weather. How Crule can someone be.
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Msg : 1 of 322
From : Sean McCormick 1:226/1330 .pä 31 .àé 95 15:32
To : All
Subj : MAIL
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Hello everyone.The BBS crashed on 5/16 and it just got up today.Sorry to anyone
with late mail.
Sean McCormick
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Msg : 2 of 322
From : Sean McCormick 1:226/1330 .pä 31 .àé 95 15:32
To : Mark Jones
Subj : SLIDERS SEASON FINALE
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
¦MJ> Quinn could be seriously injured--but will ultimately pull through ¦
¦MJ> (though they'll have some explaining to do in a world anything like ¦
¦MJ> ours, where the authorities always want to question gunshot victims). ¦
ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ;
Of course he will,despite the fact he took a shot in the back and they're
in a dimension that could be totally backwards...
Sean McCormick
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Msg : 3 of 322
From : Sean McCormick 1:226/1330 .pä 31 .àé 95 18:38
To : Morten M.nsson
Subj : X-FILES konference??
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
¦MM> Can anybody please confirm, or the opposite ;-(, the rumour about, ¦
¦MM> there being a seperate X-Files konference called - plainly: X-FILES ?? ¦
ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ;
There is an X-Files conference.It's been on the back bone for aboput a month
I think.
Sean McCormick
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Msg : 4 of 322
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .óá 03 .þí 95 05:57
To : Marc Zingarelli
Subj : Highlander Scedule
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Quoth Marc Zingarelli, "Nevermore".
JB> BTW, the latest word is that Annie will be returning for at least a
JB>couple of eps in season 4.
MZ> On her return all I can say is I am vindicated. Remember if they're
MZ> still in t show.
Hmm... part of this got lost, but I am assuming it says "If they're
still in the credits, they're still in the show." This is true, and was
the first clue *I* (and apparently you too) had that she wasn't quite as
gone as some persons would have preferred.
Jack Butler
Highlander Guru
... "Let's try this again, boy. More friendly like." -- Mako
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Msg : 5 of 322
From : Dan Kachoogian 1:107/953 .óá 03 .þí 95 09:09
To : All
Subj : Garden State Science Fiction Conspiracy Update
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Well, here's an update on The Garden State Science Fiction Conspiracy:
We've been meeting for over 3 months now and have had a meeting every
Thursday at 7 PM at Jahn's. Once, so far, we have had our meeting
elsewhere. Noone has a problem with Jahns (unless they order seafood,
which should be a general rule of thumb... avoid seafood in diners in
NJ), but we do want to branch out every once in a while. Tonight I may
discuss having a regular schedule of meetings in places other than Jahn's
(like every 3rd Thursday or something).
The general focus of the club remains at any and all f&sf relevant, or
irrelevant, topics. Our largest meeting so far included 14 people,
however, if everyone decided to show up at once, it'd be easily over 2
dozen.
Noone seems to have had any personality conflicts so far, which is
great. (although 2 of our attendees were smokers, which dismayed a few
people, I plan on bringing that issue to light should it arise again.
My personal feelings are that the dining area where the club meets are
non-smoking..)
Last week, we had a new waitress, who said she switched shifts so
she could help wait our table... she's into vampires big time and wanted
to hang out with us a little bit. ("Of COURSE I know who you guys are...
I've been looking forward to your club meeting all week..")
Interest from people who haven't attended yet seems to have dropped
off a bit. That's probably my fault. I need to put up more flyers and
send out more advertisements... and then the phone will start ringing
again.
I've also had a few feelers from fans who are a bit younger.. however
I think the group is a bit older than the high-school age crowd, but I
do not intend to enforce any kind of restrictions.. As long as they can
handle their own dinner and check, they're welcome.
Well, that's it for me. Pardon the rambling wording, I'm hopped up on
allergy medicine. :-)
Speaking for the Garden State Science Fiction Conspiracy,
I bid thee well...
Dan Kachoogian
Dan.Kachoogian%Juicebar@CJBBS.COM
GSSFC@CJBBS.COM
-Dan
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Msg : 6 of 322
From : Ecarey 1:101/230 .óá 03 .þí 95 12:04
To : Cmcdonough
Subj : ST: VOYAGER SURVIVES
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
CM>SW> > I Know that Voyager was not a direct rip off of Red Dwarf but it
CM>SW> > is too close in some of its core properties that it seems just a
CM>SW> > copy and we do not need this kind of Science Fiction.
CM>EC>Have you ever read the Odyssey?
CM>EC>This is NOT an irrelevent question.
CM>Also, brownie points to those who can identify a movie considered
CM>"classic" in SF that boldly/blatantly stole the plot from Shakespear's
CM>*THE TEMPEST*.
Oh, that's too easy. Has anyone here not seen FORBIDDEN PLANET a
hundred times?
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Msg : 7 of 322
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .óá 03 .þí 95 21:36
To : SEAN CASZATT
Subj : ROSWELL INFO?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> The movie ROSWELL was a Showtime movie. It's recently been released on
-> videotape.
->
-> It's a good movie that doesn't go "off the deep end". It presents the case
-> in a fairly level-headed manner. The acting is quite good.
Thanks for the info and the tip Sean!
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Msg : 8 of 322
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .óá 03 .þí 95 21:41
To : FRANK EVA
Subj : X-FILES LIST WANTED
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> miss Earth 2, or VR5 that much, I was really shocked when I heard Sliders
-> had been axed. Oh well, there are a few new sci-fi shows in the wings, and I
-> hope they will be even more entertaining than Sliders. I
Yes, I was amazed they would yank Sliders. This decision doesn't make any
sense at all. I'll challenge ANYONE to provide good reasons for such a move.
I mean, do re-runs of Roseanne really make more sense???
-> RL>One of the problems with the Internet is that I never seem to know
-> RL>what city people are writing from. I live in Calgary, Alberta,
-> RL>Canada. From where do you hail?
->
-> Milwaukee, Wisconsin USA!
Well thankyou very much! Now I can place a pin on my map for Milwaukee!
Faceless and place-less is a pain. Now at least I have a place to ponder.
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Msg : 9 of 322
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .óá 03 .þí 95 21:43
To : FRANK EVA
Subj : PART3/X-FILES EPISODES
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> I now have all of my taped episodes identified! Thanks very much for the
-> effort!
Well this is a FIRST! I had posted the X-Files FAQ and episodes and your
message is the only one I've read that indicated it went beyond my finger tips.
Cheers,
Robert Lidgren
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Msg : 10 of 322
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .óá 03 .þí 95 21:54
To : JACK BUTLER
Subj : HARLAN ELLISON
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> Do you really think that all Ellison does all day is work on one thing?
-> He himself has stated that he has about nine different jobs running all at
-> once right now. Novels, short stories, scripts, his comic book, lectures,
-> his appearances on Sci-Fi Buzz, the "Harlan Ellison's Watching" column, and
-> whatever it is he is doing for Babylon 5 when he is not writing "Demon On
-> The Run".
Yeh, he does have a lot on the go. I also remember his account of what
happened the day of the California earthquake. There was a fair bit of broken
glass and he and his wife, Susan Ellison, had to scramble out of the house over
books that were about one meter deep most of the place. "Ellison Wonderland"
must have thousands of books.
I enjoy his fiction but I think I enjoy his columns and social commentary just
as much. His books are damn hard to find in bookstores very often but I have
managed to compile a fairly complete collection.
By the way, after a letter I wrote to him on a column in Asimov's Science
Fiction about crazy fans he actually called me. I was out in the alley at the
time. My son said: Hey, Dad, "Harlan Ellison called," when I returned. I
managed to track down his number in Sherman Oaks and returned the call. It was
a delightful conversation, if brief (he said he was "on deadline" and couldn't
chat long). The point is that he is approachable, not a madman from hell, and
his humorous epigrams during the call "confirmed" I wasn't talking to an
imposter. By the way, Susan Ellison edits "Rabbit Hole," the official
publication of HERC and she has always been kind to me in correspondence. I
think he's found someone exceptional in Susan.
Cheers,
Robert Lidgren
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Msg : 11 of 322
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .óá 03 .þí 95 21:58
To : TOM ROBINSON
Subj : EARTH 2/SO LONG
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> Again, we differ.
->
-> Sci-fi should act as an echo of the fears of the day. In this
-> sense it was the idea that - try as you may - you can't outrun the reach of
-> the state. And the many ways in which they attempted to sabotage the
-> mission acted as a perfect example.
I don't really see that we "differ" that much. I think your points are
supported.
Besides, I enjoy communicating with people who see things differently than I
do. If everyone agreed with me all the time I don't imagine I'd last more than
15 minutes before having to run screaming into the street.
"Differences" help all of us re-ecvaluate pour opinions and change them when it
makes sense.
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Msg : 12 of 322
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .óá 03 .þí 95 22:07
To : TOM ROBINSON
Subj : EARTH 2/SO LONG
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> > I wonder if the series failed, in part, because not one of the characters
-> > was
-> > exceptionally strong. A powerful Matriarch or Patriarch figure sometimes
-> Huh? Robert. What show were you watching?
->
-> Devon WAS a strong character. The Eden project was essentially
-> created by her. And she continued to fight to keep that dream going
-> throughout the entire season.
I was watching the same show you did. I don't think Devon or anyone else was
"exceptionally strong" and that was the crux of my statement. My pont simple
was that I posed an hypothesis that maybe having no one VERY STRONG leader
-> I don't mean to be bitter about this, but I'm tired of people
-> trying to pick E2 apart like a bunch of scavengers. There was nothing wrong
-> with the show as it was. The characters were fully realized, the
-> sicence/society was well thought out, and the story development was far more
-> interesting than B5 could ever hope to be. Its biggest
Well, you err STRONGLY if you think my messages were EVER intended to "PICK
APART" Earth 2. I liked the show, posted several messages saying that it
disappointed me that it was cancelled and have tried to figure out why it was
cancelled. My musings on this are meant as a monologue where I try to assess
what went wrong. This is ESPECIALLY TRUE because I think the series NEEDED A
SECOND SEASON.
Because we discuss flaws in a series has NOTHING WHATEVER to do (necessarily)
with our position on its cancellation. Besides, ANY IDIOT CAN CRITICIZE AND
CUT TO SHREDS A SERIES, MOVIE OR BOOK . What I try to do is
look for the good and the bad and encourage improvement.
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Msg : 13 of 322
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .óá 03 .þí 95 22:19
To : STEVEN WESEN
Subj : EARTH 2/SO LONG
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> I'm not to old but I remember reading the Tom Swift books and Asimov's and
-> Bradbury's Space Cadet books and now people read when they have to. A good
-> story line I thought of is showing the trend of Illiteratecy in a context of
-> Graphic User Interfaces on computers replacing the printed word and watching
-> the results on the future.
Rememebr, it's only something like 10% of the population who read novels.
That's a scary statistic but it's accurate as far as I know. If you DON'T READ
SCIENCE FICTION you haven't a clue about what the possibilities might be for a
science fiction film or TV series.
You obviously are a reader and know how the printed word opens up worlds to us
that really enrich life. I think "the dumming of America" is more than just a
catch phrase. There does seem to be a REAL move away from respect for book
learning. Geez, you simply can't understand the complexities of the Bosnia
situation from the nightly news or CNN. Newspapers, magazines and books MUST
BE read to get a more complete picture. In the same way, how can people REALLY
-> What we have is a nation of Video minede Science Fiction fans who will
-> never know the wonder of reading clasic because they see butchered twisted
-> versions of them on Video.
Video-minded science fiction fans...good term.
By the way, I don't condemn anyone or put myself on a pedestal. Feeling
superior and lam-basting others is for idiots and the self-righteous! I just
feel sad that so many people never get to enjoy OTHER riches by exploring the
written word more.
Cheers,
Robert Lidgren
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Msg : 14 of 322
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .óá 03 .þí 95 22:23
To : PAMELA CROSSETT
Subj : HIGHLANDER, THE SERIES
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Hi there!
I just read your message to Gloria Darcy re: Highlander: The Series.
This IS a special series and seems to be watched by a relatively small elite.
Have you noticed the dictinct similarities between Sean Connery's voice and the
lead in the series, Adrian Paul?
The story lines always have me guessing and I really enjoy the character
development. It is a real gem.
Cheer,
Robert Lidgren
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Msg : 15 of 322
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .óá 03 .þí 95 22:28
To : EVAN MALIK
Subj : EARTH 2/SO LONG
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> stupid way ratings are taken now. The only way to accuratly determine
-> viewer ship is to hook a box to EVERYONES TV and see who is really watching
-> what. I remember reading that a few months after NBC cancelled Star Trek
-> for the last time, the ratings were redone and -surprise- it showed Star
-> Trek was the #1 rated show for the demographics NBC was after. Who's to say
-> the current system
-> is any more accurate? Have you ever seen an election where poll after poll
Gee, it doesn't take a rocket scientist (if I may be allowed to beat a cliche
to death) to figure out the current ratings system needs one hell of a lot more
than "fine tuning." Your message was well constructed. I wish more people
would heave a heavy brick through the Neilsen Ratings System like you have.
Bravo!! Everyone should read you original message!
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Msg : 16 of 322
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .óá 03 .þí 95 22:33
To : ALL
Subj : OPEN INVITATION
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Recently I posted X-Files materials I picked up on the WWW. Many of you seemed
to enjoy them.
If you would like to see FAQs and Episode Guides for other Science Fiction
series posted here, let me know wh\ich ones you'd like to see and I'll try to
track them down.
Cheers,
Robert Lidgren
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Msg : 17 of 322
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .óá 03 .þí 95 22:39
To : SEAN CASZATT
Subj : ROSWELL INFO?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Hi, again, Sean!
Thanks for the information. I'll certainly track down ROSWELL! I have usually
enjoyed Kyle's work too. My only difference of opinion comes when people try
to force me to believe BLUE VELVET was a "classic." It left me cold.
Knife-kill and victimization films have been dumped out dozens of times. I
hate when women are treated like merde as the core of a film. I don't find
those stories entertaining.
Call me abysmally OLD FASHIONED. I prefer stories where people try to build up
and encourage others.
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Msg : 18 of 322
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .óá 03 .þí 95 22:44
To : FRANK EVA
Subj : sci-fi CAT
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Frank,
You are responsible for much bruising. When I read your tagline "Dogs come
when you call. Cats have answering machines..." I fell to the floor in
uncontrollable laughter.
I was naive enough when we got our cat to believe that one could train them to
come on command. Dogs do. Dogs love you no matter what. Cats approach when
they damn well feel like it or want food.
By the way, those X-Files items I posted were secured by searching using the
WWW. My BBS provider also has Internet Access. I just use LYNX to do all of
the navigating and Web Crawler to do the searches.
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Msg : 19 of 322
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .cê 04 .þí 95 04:36
To : Marc Zingarelli
Subj : Highlander Scedule
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Quoth Marc Zingarelli, "Nevermore".
MZ> Besides the fact that I'm not a summer person and summer TV sucks now
MZ> I'm really gonna be miserable waiting for these.
Yeah, well... I'm on my toes waiting for the three season premieres
that matter most in the world, now: Highlander, Lois and Clark, and
X-Files. Don't have much time to watch TV right now (I'm too busy planning
the assassination of the programming director for WOFL, FOX-35 here in
Orlando for what he did to the locals over an episode of Babylon 5.
Jack Butler
... "That's Homer Simpson. One of the carbon blobs in sector 7-G."
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Msg : 20 of 322
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .cê 04 .þí 95 06:46
To : Myranya Werlemann
Subj : Directorial Trademarks
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Quoth Myranya Werlemann, "Nevermore".
MW> Doesn't 'directorial trademark' means it's included in all the movies
MW> from that director, though? How in the big wide world is he gonna
MW> put that line in all the movies???? I mean, the numbers, okay. 'See
MW> you next Wednesday', harder, but it'll work. "K. B. N." -?!? Or
MW> does he have the robot as a directorial trademark, too?
The two best examples of this trademark was, in one film, "Klaatu
Beratis Nikto" was used as "magic words". In another, it was duing a
muffled phone conversation (the hero says to the heroine "bad connection...
sounds like he just said "Klaatu Beratis Nikto...").
Jack Butler
... "Marvelous thing, technology..." -- Kallas
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Msg : 21 of 322
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .cê 04 .þí 95 07:01
To : Myra I Fox
Subj : Finale, Part 2
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
By the time this gets out into general distribution, everyone should
have seen the season finale. If not, scram.
Myra, this message continues below.
MIF> I like Amanda and I do hope they don't kill her off the way most
MIF> of Duncan's friends have been done away with... I would like to
MIF> see some of the 'good' Immortals hang around even if they are not
MIF> directly in the show.
Well, the way the storyline is shaping up, both Methos and Amanda
return to America with MacLeod (Methos as Joe's partner and Amanda as, well,
MacLeod's partner). Both Peter Wingfield and Elizabeth Gracen are discussing
"continuing regulars" contracts rather than "featured guest star"
appearances.
MIF> I liked Darius and thought he was a very interesting variation.
Too bad about Werner Stocker, though. I loved his character.
MIF> That will be interesting... does this season end on a cliffhanger
MIF> or do we find out the outcome of the fight? I know, Saturday
MIF> I'll see for myself .
Whaddidya tink? Myself, I thought that this was a satisfying wrap-up
for the "Song of the Executioner" story. Personal favorite scenes were
the tango (of course), Kallas badly underestimating the Watcher Vermas and
nearly paying for it with his life, and the Methos's "father/son" chat
with MacLeod ("The brashness of youth..." immediately became a tagline...).
And of course the final fight was incredibly choreographed. Someone let
Adrian Paul show off. His performance displayed three separate styles of
Kenjutsu during this one fight: Yagyu Shinkage, Suio, and Kagen Etsu.
And David Robb should be complemented on his talent with the blade as well.
And last, but not least, all I can say about the finish is *WOW*! This
was the largest and most powerful Quickening display since Grayson's blew
up the sulfur boat. No, wait... I think I have to go all the way back to
the Kurgan for a topper to this one...
BTW, Myra, I'll netmail you a list of the taglines I pulled from
this episode.
Jack Butler
... "What a dilemma, MacLeod..." -- Kallas
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Msg : 22 of 322
From : Star Hawk 1:362/708.6 .cê 04 .þí 95 11:37
To : Earl Green
Subj : Fox facts
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
From my perch I saw this come out of the gravity well from Earl Green:
[> Earl Green [> * Sliders isn't quite dead yet; it will be repeated
[> Sunday nights at 7pm ET. Fox also says they HAVE NOT given Sliders
[> the guillotine for sure. (Yet.) Repeat: the cancellation IS NOT
[> SET IN STONE.
Right up against 60 Minutes... this doesn't sound all that great.
Star Hawk, the EchoTrickster
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Msg : 23 of 322
From : Steve Martin 1:271/285 .cê 04 .þí 95 12:25
To : Jack Butler
Subj : Directorial Trademarks
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Big Brother caught Jack Butler & Tammy Blandino crimespeaking about
Directorial Trademarks.
JB> Besides Hitchcock and his cameo's, and Spielberg and his falling
JB> stars, there's John Landis and the phrase "See you next Wednesday", and
JB> Sam Raimi's inclusion of "Klaatu Beratis Nikto".
TB> "Klaatu Beratis Nikto" is from _The Day The Earth Stood Still_ .
TB> I've seen it parodied in a number of movies...the most recent being
TB> _Army of Darkness_, an absolutely hilarious spoof...from which my
TB> tagline comes from... :)
JB> Which, by the way, was directed by Sam Raimi, thereby proving my
JB> point...
Gee, that means he also directed an episode of _Darkwing Duck_! ;)
... Rodents of Unusual Size? I don't think they exist.
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Msg : 24 of 322
From : Steve Martin 1:271/285 .cê 04 .þí 95 12:27
To : David Johnston
Subj : Highlander, The Series
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Big Brother caught David Johnston & Jack Butler crimespeaking about
Highlander, The Series.
DJ> Hey, Jack. I was just thinking about the latest discarded love
DJ> interest. I haven't seen all the episodes but of the ones I have
DJ> seen, this seems to be the first one in which a non-immortal directly
DJ> witnessed a kill. And she was pregnant. I figure it's pretty
DJ> standard for doctors to counsel pregnant women to avoid exotic stimuli.
DJ> Does the Quickening count as exotic?
How do you think new immortals are born? ;)
Remember "The Elephant Man"? Could it be that new immortals occur when
a pregnant woman is scared by the death of an immortal?
Actually, there's been at least one earlier mortal witnessing a kill
(and getting it on tape). And with the Watchers around, especially
the evil watchers, there are bound to have been others.
... It's true, forgiveness IS easier to get than permission
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Msg : 25 of 322
From : Bruce Baugh 1:105/290.50 .cê 04 .þí 95 18:55
To : Jeff Ewart
Subj : WorldCon in LA/96
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (02 Jun 95) Jeff Ewart wrote to All...
JE> I'm planning to going to LA for the '96 WorldCon and was
JE> wondering if anybody had suggestions on what else to do while
JE> there (guest juror at the O.J. Simpson trial).
If at all possible, make a half-day to see the Huntington Library
and Botanical Gardens, in Pasadena. The library's public displays
include a Gutenberg bible, first edition Shakespeare, original
Audobon and Jack London, all kinds of neat stuff. The botanical
gardens run from Japanese to desert - they can be seen in the
background of Duran Duran's video whose name escapes me, with them
wandering around garden scenes. Beautiful all around.
I don't know where exactly the con will be, but from wherever it is,
a jaunt up to Pasadena for the above can be combined nicely with an
excursion to the public displays at Jet Propulsion Labs, at the
other end of Pasadena.
... Alex, I'll take "Things That Only I Know" for $500...
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Msg : 26 of 322
From : Bruce Baugh 1:105/290.50 .cê 04 .þí 95 19:03
To : David Johnston
Subj : Sliders & Vr.5 Cancelled!
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (02 Jun 95) David Johnston wrote to Tippi Blevins...
DJ> That program, entitled "Kindred" will be based on the
DJ> best-selling White Wolf roleplaying game "Vampire, the
DJ> Masquerade". It will focus on two brothers (probably twins)
DJ> one of whom is still alive and the other who is now a
DJ> vampire. Given it's sources, one can expect it to be moody
DJ> and emotional, with sexual undertones.
...and with all the pretentiousness and angst one can shovel
through.
I'm minded of a friend's line - "Real men feel heroic despair.
Weenies feel angst."
... Colt: the original point and click interface
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Msg : 27 of 322
From : Rumble 1:163/436 .cê 04 .þí 95 20:56
To : Ecarey
Subj : EARTH 2/SO LONG
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Just letting every one know I am one of the ever growing 25 people who watch
Earth 2.
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Msg : 28 of 322
From : Mark Jones 1:105/302.47 .cê 04 .þí 95 23:03
To : Frank Glover
Subj : Starfleet Rules as...
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (03 Jun 95) Frank Glover wrote to Mark Jones...
FG> MJ> 11. The use of fuses and circuit breakers is strictly
FG> prohibited!
FG>
FG> MJ> 12. All manual overrides must be electronically operated.
FG> And:
FG> Under no circumstances, no matter how damaged the ship, must the
FG> artificial gravity fail.
But wait! There's more!
13. All threats by Federation commanders must be as verbose and
non-threatening as possible.
(Captain Janeway is particularly bad about this one. She has a
tendency to say things like "Any attack on this ship or it's crew will
be met with the deadliest of force." It isn't *bad*, exactly, but it
could be a little more direct, a little more explicit. "If you
threaten this ship, we'll blast you to atoms.")
... If you can't laugh at yourself, I'll do it for you.
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Msg : 29 of 322
From : Phill Ash 1:275/160 .îí 05 .þí 95 06:59
To : Jonathan Tinsley
Subj : B5, B9
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: GE 1.11+
Phill Ash nasally exhaled his coffee upon hearing this:
>Tin Man, for one.
>Is that the egg-shaped ship that spun around several times and sent
>out those energy pulses that totally annihilated those two Romulan
>ships?
Yep, that's the one...
the one that looks like a space-going MG EX181
Your pal: PhlAsh
... Earl Scheib of Borg here!...I'll assimalate any race for just $99.99!
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Msg : 30 of 322
From : Phill Ash 1:275/160 .îí 05 .þí 95 07:00
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : Confessions & Lamentation
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: GE 1.11+
>Sheridan said... "I can't let you out". If the disease
>truly was "airborn", why would it have made any difference to let
>Delenn and Lennier out, since EVERYONE had already been exposed?
>
>Beats me. ;)
Theorizing that an unknown bacterium or virus is airborne, one
still does not know the life-expectancy or gestation period of
said bacterium/virus. Isolation is still the best course of
action until such time as life-expectancy and/or gestation
period can be deduced.
Any further cases can be put into isolation *and* the time lag
(along with "weather" conditions) can be used to determine
gestation period.
Your pal: PhlAsh
... If you sufficiently torture the data, it *will* confess.
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Msg : 31 of 322
From : Phill Ash 1:275/160 .îí 05 .þí 95 07:00
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : ST: The Next Generation
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: GE 1.11+
Talking 'bout Neelix' lungs:
>What would make more sense is to put him into a transporter buffer
>loop such as was done with Scotty.
Ah...but that's a trick that was unsafe to begin with,
demonstrated a 50% reliability, and was only barely understood
by a "laForge-rated" Engineer.
Your pal: PhlAsh
... I am Homer of Borg...prepare to be...OHHHH, donuts...
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Msg : 32 of 322
From : Phill Ash 1:275/160 .îí 05 .þí 95 07:00
To : Chris Carter
Subj : Confessions & Lamentation
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>She did. She was getting very tired of the heavy-duty prosthetics,
>and wanted to go through less time in the makeup chair. She also
>didn't want her hair hidden underneath a bone-crest. Hence, the
>change.
It's my understanding that Mira was beginning to experience
dermatological problems stemming from the broad use of
prosthetics in her character design.
If I remember correctly, B5 make-up uses a multi-part
"cold-foam" system which, unlike "whipped latex" (which is used
by Trek). "Cold-Foam" is a completely synthetic polymer which
is more similar in nature to epoxy than latex
I use a 2-part system which causes me minor irritation. It
emits some really nasty fumes in the curing procedure. But the
final effect is well worth the trouble of additional ventilation
on minor rashes (of course, I don't wear appliances under
Production-Grade lighting for 10 hours a day/5 days a week,
either )
Your pal: PhlAsh
... What a drag it is getting old!
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Msg : 33 of 322
From : Phill Ash 1:275/160 .îí 05 .þí 95 07:00
To : Jack Butler
Subj : "The Gathering"
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Hey Jack...
In "The Gathering" did Richard Moll's character get whacked by Conner or
Duncan?
Your pal: PhlAsh
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Msg : 34 of 322
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .îí 05 .þí 95 08:12
To : Frank Glover
Subj : Merchandizing
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FG>FE> Yes, that's the same thing. Is the series popular enough to
FG>FE> warrant a
FG>FE> line of B5 toys? With the threat of cancellation looming over
FG>FE> the show,
FG>FE> I don't think anyone will find this license a safe investment...
FG> Probably right...yet one toymaker marketed a series of action
FG>figures from the movie `Alien' *years* after not only theatrical
FG>release, but after it had made the rounds on cable and broadcast
FG>TV...
They may have known a "sequel" was in the works, and that it would help
propel their sales, don't you think?
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Msg : 35 of 322
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .îí 05 .þí 95 08:12
To : Chris Carter
Subj : B5 Novels and Comics
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CC>If you want to see arc advancement, watch the show. If you want to
CC>read stories set in the B5 universe, read the comic and novels.
Yeah, that's why I'll never buy another B5 novel or comic, which is too
bad. I had years worth of enjoyable reading with ST:TOS' original
novels, but it's obvious that since the B5 story arc is paramount to me,
I'll not be getting any of that anywhere besides the TV series. If only
these original novelists would have been given the freedom to explore
more sci-fi subjects, and less of the cloak and dagger stuff...
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Msg : 36 of 322
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .îí 05 .þí 95 08:12
To : Frank Glover
Subj : Confessions & Lamenta
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FG> Less physically attractive, too. Some people look *better* as an
FG>alien than a human. Robin Curtis is one...Mira Furlan, IMHO, is
FG>another.
Agreed! However, she still looks better than she did in the pilot. She
looked almost manly, then...
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Msg : 37 of 322
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .îí 05 .þí 95 08:12
To : Michael Vergara
Subj : Confessions & Lamentation
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MV> FE> which sympathy is needed (Confessions & Lamentations). I find
MV> FE> it hard to equate Delenn with the warrior race that brought
MV> FE> Earth to its knees...
MV>Then again, she isn't a warrior. The Minbari are divided into
MV>seperate castes, like the religious and the warrior (Delenn being a
MV>member of the religious caste, I think). Not all of the Minbari are
MV>warriors, just like not all politicians are lawyers.
Well, my point was that she does not equate to the race her people in
general represented to Earth... a dangerous threat based on their
military capability. Remember, prior to the "change", Delenn was a
member of the Gray Council, the same group that was responsible for
TORTURING Sinclair.
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Msg : 38 of 322
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .îí 05 .þí 95 08:12
To : Lori Brown
Subj : White Dwarf
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LB>I agree. Found it very boring...especially for the first hour of it.
LB>Was only slightly more interesting the 2nd hour. I'm sure it was the
LB>pilot for a series...haven't heard if it was picked up. Hope not.
Same here... I can't imagine a series based on such a boring pilot!
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Msg : 39 of 322
From : John Kahane 1:163/198.5 .îí 05 .þí 95 10:30
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : Vorlon Immortality
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In a message of , Jeff Hancock scribed:
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JK>> SPOILER ALERT!!!
JH> Still?
Yep... You never know who's not seen the episode in question yet, so it
makes sense to do so...
JH> BTW, I thought the next episode was supposed to be _The Long,
JH> Twilight Struggle_, which was being hyped as one of the best
JH> episodes ever produced... but here they seem to be repeating
JH> _The Long Dark_.
The next *new* episode is going to be _The Long, Twilight Struggle_, but it
won't be airing in North America now until some time in October. PTEN has
decided to hold off on the final four episodes of the second season until then,
and then segue right into the third season (assuming that B5 is renewed).
Meantime, the Brits and Europeans will see the four episodes when they were
scheduled to air - in the June/July slot. :(
JK> JH>> why wouldn't Morden know too much about Kosh in return?
JH> [...]
JK> JH>> Unless they were born after the wars and the Shadows
JK> JH>> don't have any form of history, you'd think they'd figure
JK> JH>> it out... unless they really believe all the ancient
JK> JH>> ones left.
JK>> Well, as was established in "In the Shadow of Z'ha'dum",
JK>> the Shadows are an ancient race, and existed before some of
JK>> the other Ancient Ones came into existence (including the
JK>> Vorlons), but I don't think your bit about history is the
JK>> right one. Kosh has obviously
JH> I wonder how old the Shadows are that are with Morden, then...
No way to know...but we don't know all that much about them. We know that
they are at least 12,000 years old and that they were old when the other First
Ones, such as the Vorlons, were young.
JH> and why no one walks into them by accident.
Probably because they're phased. :)
JK>> got some sort of protection, whether psionic or something
JK>> that the Ancient Ones have learned, about how to cloak
JK>> themselves from the Shadows knowing who they are, although
JK>> "ItSoZ" also established that
JH> Hmmm, good point. I wonder if the encounter suit is also part
JH> of that protection, perhaps generating a scrambler field or
JH> just blocking mental emanations.
This would certainly seem to be the case, given that the Shadows in "Signs
and Portents" attempted to get through the suit to see what was inside. That's
how Kosh's encounter suit got damaged, although it's obvious now that the Shadow
allies of Morden didn't manage to penetrate Kosh's disguise. If they had, the
war with the Shadows would have started in deadly earnest by now.
JH> Say, how does this tie in with _The Gathering_?
No one knows, Jeff...at least no one other than JMS...and he ain't talking.
JH> I can't remember exactly what happened, but wasn't a telepath
JH> involved? And didn't the doctor who saw Kosh go to the Rim,
JH> where he could run into Shadows?
There were actually three people involved. The doctor, Benjamin Kyle, was
the first to see the Vorlon after saving him from the poison, and he was
transferred back to Earth and became part of President Santiago's personal
medical staff. In "Hunter, Prey," JMS later said that he'd not thought of
having Kyle being the doctor on the run, and that it would have been very
interesting. Lyta Alexander, the Psi Corps rep on the station in "The
Gathering," did the psi scan of Kosh to find out who had poisoned him. Lyta was
transferred off the station back to Earth as well, but she'll be back in
"Divided Loyalties," iirc. Laurel Takashima, the second-in-command, was
involved in the assassination attempt up to her neck, and she was the staff
member who was transferred out to the Rim (this was something that JMS said in
posts and the like); a lot of us believe that she'll be back as a Shadow agent
before the story is finished.
John
.....
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Msg : 40 of 322
From : John Kahane 1:163/198.5 .îí 05 .þí 95 10:41
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : Vorlon Immortality /2
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
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JK>> While the Shadows are always with Morden, as Delenn pointed
JK>> out, I think that it's possible Kosh may have surprised
JK>> Morden in their encounter in "Signs and Portents" to such
JK>> a degree that he was able
JH> Surprised? I don't remember Morden seeming that surprised, he
JH> was as confident as ever.
Watch the episode again, Jeff, if you can. :) Morden was surprised to see
the Vorlon the first time and hid from him in one of the off-shoot tunnels from
the docking bays when Kosh returned to the station. He avoided Kosh for most of
the episode, and the final confrontation with Kosh was the latter's doing, not
Morden's idea. JMS has said that it was the Shadows that are always with Morden
that attacked Kosh, not Morden personally, and that they were the ones who
damaged the encounter suit.
JK>> to rip the knowledge (or plunder it) from Morden's mind
JK>> before he came under attack by the Shadows that are always
JK>> with Morden (this latter point being a fact that Joe has
JK>> confirmed over on CompuServe).
JH> Which point exactly, that the Shadows were always with
JH> Morden, that the Shadows attacked Kosh, or that the knowledge
JH> was plundered before the attack? I'm not sure which part of
JH> your statement was confirmed.
Joe confirmed that the Shadows are always with Morden (which was confirmed
by Delenn in "In the Shadow of Z'ha'dum"), and that it was the Shadows that
attacked Kosh and damaged the encounter suit in "Signs and Portents." Morden's
knowledge being taken by Kosh is the only explanation of how Kosh could have
known what happened to the Icarus, and it's something that explains the sequence
that we saw in "ItSoZ"; the perspective we seem to have is that of Morden, if
you watch it more critically.
JK> JH>> But not everything was from Morden's POV...
JK>> The vision of the events of the Icarus landing on Z'ha'dum
JK>> were not all from Morden's view, but it's also likely that
JK>> a Shadow viewpoint was also part of that - something perhaps
JK>> that is part of
JH> Hmmm.... But if the Icarus woke up the Shadows on the surface
JH> of Za'ha'dum, then how could a Shadow ship have been in space
JH> to watch the Icarus before it landed?
Perhaps it wasn't a Shadow ship. Perhaps it was an automated system that
the Shadows, once awake, could have awareness of. Perhaps it was a Vorlon or
other First Ones orbital scanning/surveillance device. Who knows?
JK>> Shadows and their agents are telepathically linked (I refuse
JK>> to accept a hive-mind assumption for this), and that Kosh
JK>> took from
JH> Telepathically, perhaps... but whatever it is, I don't think
JH> they're always in contact. While Morden is in custody, you
JH> can see him doing something which would seem to suggest he's
JH> making contact with the Shadows.
True. And yet, go back to "Chrysalis"... that's the episode where he's
sitting comfortably and the Shadows are on either side of him talking to him.
He's not communing or meditating in that sequence to contact them. It strikes
that his actions in "ItSoZ" while in custody was a blatant attempt to get
Sheridan to see the Shadows.
JH> Curiously enough, it looks as if he's making a triangle with
JH> his fingers... What if he has one of those Minbari widgets, or
JH> perhaps the Minbari got them from the Vorlons or Shadows in some
JH> way?
We don't really know what the triangular symbol with his hands was, but
perhaps it's something from Shadow and other First Ones religions that has been
adopted by the Minbari (and perhaps other races). I doubt very much that he has
a triluminary...
JK> JH>> BTW, what do you think that was with Delenn saying she
JK> JH>> had known about it for the past THREE years? Perhaps
JK> JH>> they told her (or she read about) the Shadows upon her
JK> JH>> appointment to ambassador? Couldn't be the Grey Council,
JK> JH>> since that was long before.
JK>> Actually the time of Valen and the Grey Council is about
JK>> 1,000 years ago, which fits in with the business of the last
JK>> time that the
JH> Sorry, I was unclear. Obviously Minbari aren't told just
JH> because they joined the Grey Council, since then she would
JH> have known for longer than three years.
While this is possible, it also represents the fact that Delenn had only
been on the Grey Council for the last three to five years or so, a recent
recruit (in Minbari terms), perhaps. That said, the Grey Council may or may not
know the full details; it depends on how Valen and the Nine decided to handle
things back when. And the fact that Valen balanced the Council with three from
each caste suggests that he felt that there was merit to having the religious,
warrior, and worker caste viewpoints in all matters - something that the current
Council seems to have forgotten perhaps.
JH> But then, maybe she just was only talking about the time she
JH> had been on the station, since her former life was not really
JH> part of his business, and the Grey Council *never* tells _all_
JH> the truth. ;-)
Which seems more likely. :)
JK>> I like to think that it would be part of the wisdom
JK>> passed down to the Religious caste members who join the
JK>> Council. This would certainly explain Neroon's ignorance of
JK>> something this basic, which you'd think he'd comment on.
JH> Maybe not,... Delenn mentioned the great evil as if they all
JH> knew about it, and if the reason he was given for the end of
JH> the war was that they would need the Earthling's help to fight
JH> the Shadows, he would certainly be insulted and say that they
JH> didn't need the puny humans' help.
True, but it depends on other things. Frankly, I had the impression that
Neroon's mind was totally closed, once he learned about humans having Minbari
souls, and hence the reason for the surrender to Earth. While he might still
know of the coming great evil and all, his own biases and dislike of the Humans,
evidenced in the stories that he's appeared in, would prevent him from desiring
or even wanting the Humans' aid.
JK>> John Vornholt posted a message noting that the next book in
JK>> the series, his _Blood Oath_ (dealing with the Narns) won't
JK>> be out until late in the year. :(
JH> Considering what I keep hearing about them, doesn't sound like
JH> it'll be a loss.
I suppose not. Still, it would be nice to have some new B5 fiction to read
during the six-month drought between new episodes, now wouldn't it? I guess the
comics will have to serve during this time... *sigh*
John
.....
"You don't find wolves lurking behind rocks ready to mug a passing badger." -
Lupine (RM)
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Msg : 41 of 322
From : Debra Milner 1:112/285 .îí 05 .þí 95 10:43
To : ROBERT LIDGREN
Subj : EARTH 2/SO LONG
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> people like
> you hang around here and say things that make me think and, often,
> reassess my
Awww, you're making me blush.....thanks...;-)
> The fact that an Earth 2 "Post Mortem" should generate quite a bit of
> input
> makes me think that it wasn't a total botched job and despite the
> critics I
> believe it was fixable.
I think it was quite fixable....but the networks don't want to take the time to
allow a good series to develop......I've always been fond of watching character
developments, and that is what was happening on Earth 2....now, if they had
'glamorized' it, and gone for massive special effects instead of character
development, it would have made it.....
Doubts? look at Seaquest.....I watched it the first season, thought it showed
good potential....then, they ran it down the tubes this year, making the
characters shallow with great FX......look who go renewed and who
didn't....
> I'm always keen to read what you have to say. By the way where do
> you live?
Jacksonville, FL (actually, just west of there)
> I am typing from Calgary, Alberta Canada (yeh, that place due north
> of
> Montana).
Ahhh, Cold country.....
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Msg : 42 of 322
From : John Kahane 1:163/198.5 .îí 05 .þí 95 10:57
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : Vorlon Immortality /3
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In a message of , Jeff Hancock scribed:
JH> It sounded like you had thought of some of those questions...
JH> aside from that, nothing else has occurred to me.
There's been all kinds of speculations, Jeff...things about angels, and the
like - but Joe has said that only one person has actually guessed the truth
about the Vorlons. And he wouldn't say who...
JK>> we don't know all that much about some of the races, although
JK>> there have been hints in the medical episodes about
JK>> physiologies and the
JH> About how they would recognize Kosh as an ancient one? I'm not
JH> following. You mean it's something physical?
I suspect so. Remember Kyle's reaction to Kosh in "The Gathering"? There's
also the bit that was posted here from the scene that was cut from the 2-hour
movie, where Kyle talks to Laurel Takashima, and tells her that he's "been
changed" by what he saw. Something to think about.
JK>> "Confessions and Lamentations" had one of these as well, in a
JK>> very
JH> Lousy joke, though... Do you suppose this is the homeworld that
JH> JMS said would be destroyed? I thought it would be that of a
JH> major race.
Yes, the Markab homeworld is the one that was meant by Joe. A nice touch,
a rather brutal kind of lesson, and something that most of the fans weren't
expecting. As for the Markab being a "major race" or not, who knows what they
might have accomplished during the series? Their legends spoke of the Shadows
and their servants, so perhaps the plague wasn't an "accident of nature" at all.
:)
JH> While I'm thinking of it, someone mentioned the number 2.5
JH> showing up in B5 a number of times, do you suppose it's also
JH> a coincidence that both station captions happen to share the
JH> creator's first and last initials? ;)
I'm not sure I understand what you mean here...
JK> JK>>> with Kosh's earlier talk with Sheridan about teaching and
JK> JK>>> preparing him "to fight legends."
JK> JH>> Yes, but what legends exactly?
JK>> The legends are the Shadows, obviously. Since they are a
JK>> race
JH> Yes, but... They'd be our legends too, and what legends are
JH> there on Earth of anything like the Shadows?
One never knows, does one? I could have said "Only the Shadow(s) know"...
but that would have been rather tacky of me.
JK> JH>> And how is it that every race (apparently) would have the
JK> JH>> same exact legends?
JK>> Not necessarily the same set of legends, Jeff. G'Kar's
JH> But still... similar enough so that Shadows would fit into
JH> everyone's legends.
Yes, similar enough to the legends of other races, that there is a very
large grain of truth here. No different than some of the legends that we see on
Earth. All cultures have vampire legends of some sort, faeries are common to
quite a few cultures (even if the nature and shape of faeries differs), dragons
in Eastern tales, and the like.
JK>> thing. "Confessions and Lamentations" has another good
JK>> example of this, that the Markab doctor tells Franklin.
JK>> Watch for it, and I won't spoil your enjoyment of that
JK>> episode again.
JH> Um.... I think I missed it. Casulty of only seeing it once.
It'll air again during the repeats sequence that we're about to "enjoy",
Jeff. You'd better make a note about this on a post-it, I think. :)
JK> JH>> I don't recall any Earth legends involving giant spiders,
JK> JH>> for one... unless this is another LOTR jab.
JK>> While it's possible, and I suspect that Joe would disclaim it,
JK>> I don't think so. The Shadows that we saw in "ItSoZ" didn't
JK>> appear to be spider- like to me at all.
JH> Then what do you think they look like? I dunno, I see the eyes,
JH> the legs, the shape, and think spider.
I'm not going to comment on what they look like at this point. Suffice it
to say, I have a distinct theory about the Shadows. And the creature we saw on
Z'ha'dum didn't appear to be spider-like at all, like I said. :)
JK> JH>> Logbook writer seems to think that was the first
JK> JH>> appearance of the Shadows, but you say JMS disagrees?
JK>> Not disagrees, totally different. Joe says that the race
JK>> that Catherine encountered at Sigma 957 was another of the
JK>> Ancient Ones, a
JH> Someone needs to update the Logbook, then.
Personally, the Logbook is a wonderful thing, but it's based on supposition
and assumptions made by the writer. The fact that he hasn't updated the thing,
or that he didn't pay attention to what Joe said about this (if the writer has
access to Internet/GEnie at all) is another matter. But if you're going to do
something like the Logbook, then you've got to update it once per season, so...
JK>> race that is no longer concerned with affairs of the little
JK>> races from its time. He's also said that some stuff will be
JK>> clarified about this race... whatever that meant. :)
JH> Let's hope so, and while they're at it, when does JMS say we'll
JH> hear from Draal again?
Later this season, Jeff.
JK> JK>>> I wouldn't be surprised to find something totally
JK> JK>>> predictable underneath the Vorlon encounter suit.
JK> JH>> I suppose he'll look like the classic cliche of God?
JK>> Nope, not like God or an angel. That's been the
JK>> consensus on some of the B5 echoes and newsgroups, and to be
JK>> honest with you, I
JH> What was the consensus, that Kosh would, or wouldn't?
That Kosh would look like an angel or God, but since Joe's said that only
one person got it right, well... ;)
JK>> don't think that JMS would do something like that. I
JK>> suppose it's possible, given the emphasis on souls and
JK>> stuff that we've seen in the series to this point...
JH> I'm leaning towards people seeing what their image of an
JH> ancient and wise being would be. Delenn might have seen
JH> Valen, Sheridan might see the Dali Lama, Franklin his
JH> reflected God, and so forth.
Could be. I don't personally think so, since that doesn't seem to make
sense within the context of the First Ones, and Joe's a bit more subtle than
that, imo.
JK> JK>>> Btw, have you seen "Knives" yet? Interesting episode,
JK> JH>> Yep. Just once, though... haven't dubbed it, and missed
JK> JH>> the re-airing.
JK>> I'm not sure what you mean about the dubbing of the
JK>> episode, but
JH> I usually watch each episode two to three times, record it the
JH> first time, sometimes catch the re-airing, and then again when
JH> I dub it onto an archive copy and remove the commercials.
Ah, ok...
JK> JH>> BTW, I'm not sure B5 will really make it in syndication...
JK>> B5 is not the same kind of series as ST and the like, and
JK>> therefore I think the syndication of such a series would be
JK>> more difficult.
JH> But syndication is the goal and the reason for the five-year
JH> run... and I don't know how well it'll do when you can't count
JH> on stations showing them all in sequence without cutting out
JH> parts you need to understand or enjoy certain parts.
While this is true, the series has to reach the end of its five-year
run...something that may or may not happen, depending on the tv climate. Joe
didn't write B5 as a five-year arc for this reason - he's doing it that way
because he feels that this is what he needs in order to tell the story that he's
trying to get across. Syndication is something that annoys me - it makes it
difficult to find the time slot of the program you want to watch, among other
things.
John
.....
No matter how fast light travels it finds the darkness has always got there
first, and is waiting for it. (RM)
--- GoldED 2.41
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Msg : 43 of 322
From : John Kahane 1:163/198.5 .îí 05 .þí 95 11:12
To : Patrick Long
Subj : FUBS
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On , Patrick Long wrote to J Hulley-miller:
JH-=>> Is the FUB Squad still active ? tnx.
PL> We're still active over in Science Fiction...
Ain't that the truth?
John
.....
"Some people just don't know how to behave in a house of religion." - High
Priest of Offler (RM)
--- GoldED 2.41
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Msg : 44 of 322
From : John Kahane 1:163/198.5 .îí 05 .þí 95 11:22
To : Lanae Lauderdale
Subj : B5 Thought
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On , Lanae Lauderdale wrote to Robert Lidgren:
LL> Babylon 5 is extended for another year. Heard it straight
LL> from Jerry Doyle at a con a few weeks ago. He had just
LL> received the news.
Neat trick...considering that as of May 30th, JMS didn't know if the series
was going to be renewed yet. There was still some episode showing and other
negotiations going on, but he expected to hear on this by the end of the first
week of June.
John
.....
"MARACAS? I DON'T NEED...MARACAS." - Death (RM)
--- GoldED 2.41
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Msg : 45 of 322
From : John Kahane 1:163/198.5 .îí 05 .þí 95 11:25
To : Nicolai Shapero
Subj : Harlan Ellison
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On , Nicolai Shapero wrote to Frank Eva:
FE>> He is supposed to be working on a B5 adaptation of "The
FE>> Glass Hand" (which, BTW, I've never read). From the length
FE>> of time is seems to be taking to bring this episode to the
FE>> screen, it would seem that he's back to his old tricks
FE>> (aka "City on the Edge of Forever")...
NS> He was, in theory, working on a sequel to the Outer Limits
NS> episode, "DEMON WITH A GLASS HAND" entitled "DEMON ON THE RUN"
NS> for B5. But I haven't heard anything about this lately (no
NS> news is good news?)
From what I understand from the B5 FAQ, among other places, the Ellison
episode for B5 is still literally on the drawing board, and there are no plans
for this episode to be completed at the moment.
John
.....
"If the Creator had meant us to shift rocks by witchcraft, he wouldn't have
invented shovels." - Nanny Ogg (WA)
--- GoldED 2.41
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Msg : 46 of 322
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .îí 05 .þí 95 14:10
To : All
Subj : Crosspost
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
I saw this on Usenet-Highlander, originally posted by Noah Johnson.
You know you've been watching Highlander too much when you hear a song
by The Who come on the radio, and you think it's too bad they can't record
any new stuff since their lead singer got killed.
Jack Butler
... "Let's not get stuck on petty details." -- Kalas
--- FMail 0.98a
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Msg : 47 of 322
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .îí 05 .þí 95 14:15
To : All
Subj : Xavier St. Cloud and the Quickening
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Another cross post. This is also original to Noah Johnson:
I know, I know, I usually stay away from Quickening theories, but I
couldn't resist this time. Suppose the more Quickening you've got, either
your own or other people's, the faster you heal? We could no doubt find
anecdotal evidence both for and against this. And further suppose that
Immortals can in fact regrow lost limbs, but it takes a long time, like
around a minimum of several years?
Now, we know that Xavier St. Cloud lost a hand to Duncan. We also know
that shortly thereafter, he embarked on a mad head-hunt: not eliminating
enemies, not looking for a good fight, apparently not caring who he killed,
just collecting all the Quickening he could by any means possible, in his
case using Hunters and mercenaries. Okay, it's a safe bet that Xavier was
less than happy about losing his hand. It also put him at a slight
disadvantage in a fight. ("But I am not left-handed! Oh, right, yes I am.
Uh-oh.") Suppose he was attempting to regrow the damn thing as fast as he
possibly could, and for this purpose was racking up Quickenings as quick as
he could, whether or not it meant breaking the rules? It would explain his
being the only Immortal we've ever seen who broke the rules; we've seen evil
Immortals, and we've seen underhanded Immortals, but how often have we seen
desperate Immortals?
Of course, Kenny and Brian Cullen could be considered desperate, and
they both also used dishonorable, nasty tricks in fights, backstabbing and
vans and the like.
Jack Butler
... "Young men... they think they'll live forever." -- Maurice
--- FMail 0.98a
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Msg : 48 of 322
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .îí 05 .þí 95 14:31
To : John Kahane
Subj : Confessions et. al.
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Quoth John Kahane, "Nevermore".
JK> I'll do the best I can about this, Jack, but it'll take me a bit
JK> of time. I'm up to my butt right now in projects, and there's a paying
JK> one (for writing an article or two) that I need to finish up first.
JK> Can you wait a bit on this? (Not like we'll be seeing new episodes of
JK> B5 until October now... :>)
Not a problem at all...
Jack Butler
... "Outside, all the lights of the world were going out."
--- FMail 0.98a
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Msg : 49 of 322
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .îí 05 .þí 95 14:34
To : David Johnston
Subj : Highlander, The Series
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Quoth David Johnston, "Nevermore".
DJ> And she was pregnant. I figure it's pretty standard for doctors to
DJ> counsel pregnant women to avoid exotic stimuli. Does the Quickening
DJ> count as exotic?
No doubt. I hadn't thought of that angle...
Jack Butler
... "Item two: you snore." -- Ivanova "No, I don't." -- Sheridan
--- FMail 0.98a
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Msg : 50 of 322
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .îí 05 .þí 95 16:32
To : Earl Green
Subj : Fox facts
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Quoth Earl Green, "Nevermore".
EG> * For those interested: there was not a word mentioned about Earth
EG> 2.
EG> Hope this is of use to the curious. All info comes from Fox
EG> Programming's summer affiliate fax.
Not surprising that FOX had no information about Earth 2, seeing as it
was an NBC show...
Jack Butler
... "Believe me, nothing is trivial!" -- The Crow
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Msg : 51 of 322
From : John Kahane 1:163/198.5 .îí 05 .þí 95 16:41
To : Frank Eva
Subj : B5 Reruns
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
In a message of , Frank Eva scribed:
FE> Does anyone know what happened to the last 5 episodes in
FE> this season's schedule? (The Long Twilight Struggle, Divided
FE> Loyalties, Comes the Inquisitor, The Price of Peace, and The
FE> Fall of Night (season finale)).
Four episodes actually, Frank. "The Price of Peace" is the original name
of "The Fall of Night" as I understand it.
FE> We've had reruns 3 weeks in a row!
So far, after "Confessions and Lamentations" we've had a single week of
re-runs now. But we're in for about six months worth of them, since "The Long,
Twilight Struggle" won't air until sometime in October. :(
John
.....
"You can't trust folk songs. They always sneak up on you." - Granny Weatherwax
(WA)
--- GoldED 2.41
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Msg : 52 of 322
From : Kay Shapero 1:102/524 .îí 05 .þí 95 17:36
To : Tony Trujillo
Subj : Re: Sliders Continuity
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On , Tony Trujillo (1:280/9) wrote to Kay Shapero:
TT>Dear Quinn and Company,
TT> Hate you
TT> Took the "slide" box
TT> Find your own way back home
TT> -- Henry
ROFL!
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Msg : 53 of 322
From : Kay Shapero 1:102/524 .îí 05 .þí 95 17:38
To : Frank Eva
Subj : Knives
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On , Frank Eva (1:154/750) wrote to Kay Shapero:
KS>By the very nature of things, we don't know for sure just how much of
KS>the story arc is really effected by an episode. Both of the above
FE>Anyone who knows the main storylines in the arc would not agree
FE>with this comment... and I'm afraid I'm one of them! :-)
Do you mean you somehow got hold of JMS' files, or just that you figure you've
deduced the lot by this point in the story? Like the guys who kept insisting it
was all Lord of the Rings. He did say to expect surprises...
FE>character development. I simply wish they could come up with a
FE>decent balance between character development and story arc development
FE>in each episode. That would make the series more interesting to me...
Unfortunately that's sufficiently subjective that it would probably require a
different balance for each watcher. I do rather wish that if Knives had to
involve Sheridan bouncing puppyishly into trouble, that he'd nearly gotten his
head handed to him instead of what did happen, I must admit.
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Msg : 54 of 322
From : Frank Glover 1:2613/477 .îí 05 .þí 95 21:08
To : Chip Garner
Subj : Re: Star Trek
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
CG> since
CG> when does a captain of a Star Trek series have a family. That just
CG> limits
CG> all the love affairs on the ship. I think she should of stayed with
Why not? I suspect that Kirk and Piccard are exceptions, rather than the
rule. Besides, the nature of their problem is such that any civilization where
she may meet someone is one they'll never see again. For the Enterprise, there
was always the *possibility* of coming back.
CG> the first REAL problem they encounter. Also, I wanna see more ACTION
CG> like
CG> fighting, phasers, away missions, photon torpedos, ROMBULANS AND
CG> KLINGONS
CG> are a must. I wanna see how powerful that "New Technology" ship
CG> really is
CG> against a familliar advasary.
CG>
Again, the nature of their problem (being in a very distant part of the
galaxy, and unable to get home in a practical time at warp speeds) means seeing
no familiar adversaries. The Romulan we saw required an unusual set of
circumstances. To meet familiar adversaries means being in familiar space, and
only weeks or months from home...end of story.
And don't forget, *unknown* adversaries may themselves be advanced enough to
be unimpressed by whatever new technologies USS Voyager has. Don't forget, the
Borg experience began when Q ( maybe we'll see him??) sent the Enterprise far
enough out of Federation known space that it would've taken them *2* years to
get back....
And as Janeway has pointed out, they have a finite load of photorps aboard,
and phasers may need starbase-level overhauls in time, too....
Frank
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Msg : 55 of 322
From : Tony Trujillo 1:280/9 .òp 06 .þí 95 15:11
To : Kay Shapero
Subj : Re: Sliders Continuity
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: GE 1.11+
TT>>Dear Quinn and Company,
TT>> Hate you
TT>> Took the "slide" box
TT>> Find your own way back home
TT>> -- Henry
KS> ROFL!
I can't take much credit for that since it's a slight
mutation of a more popular dog's frustration with his owner.
:^)
Speaking of SLIDERS, did it ever have time to spawn a few
FILK songs? I always thought the song THE MIGHTY QUINN would
have made a fairly obvious choice...
"When Quinn and The Sliders get here...everybody's going to
hit the ground...."
BTW: Is there a mailing address I can send something to?
... Revenge is a dish best served...with stuffing instead of potatoes!
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Msg : 56 of 322
From : Craig Palme 1:120/999 .pä 31 .àé 95 21:46
To : Frank Eva
Subj : Voyager Nose Diving?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11 94-2158
FE>Is it just me, or does it seem like ST:Voyager is already seeming a bit
FE>worn out? Doesn't it seem like ST:V is going "where everyone has gone
That may be premature. I'd like to give the show a chance. Remember that
when ST:TNG first came on, people didn't like it and made comparisons
to ST:TOS.
But your point is well made. I think it has to do with the fact that
there is no underlying story unfolding. No plots and sub-plots that
trail from episode to episode as is with Babylon 5.
I'll have to wait and see what develops down the road. Hopefully it
won't turn out to be as disappointing as ST:DS9 has turned out to be.
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Msg : 57 of 322
From : Craig Palme 1:120/999 .pä 31 .àé 95 21:49
To : Richard Yamagata
Subj : B5 Catch-Up
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11 94-2158
RY>B5 fans should do everything in their power to facillitate this. I want to
RY>see the last episode, 3 years from now. Hopefully, it will be directed by
RY>Janet Greek -- my favorite B5 director. She will be directing this
RY>season's finale. Don't miss it! Ry
They won't be airing the last 4 episodes of this season until October.
PTEN wants to get a running start on the next season, assuming it's
renewed, which is likely.
The last 4 episodes will air in July over in England.
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Msg : 58 of 322
From : Craig Palme 1:120/999 .pä 31 .àé 95 21:50
To : Chris Carter
Subj : New shows for UPN
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11 94-2158
CC>This is Chris Carter, programming director of UPN, (Utterly
CC>Pointless Network) signing off...
That was good.
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Msg : 59 of 322
From : Brian Henderson 1:207/241 .ÿò 02 .þí 95 11:52
To : Steven Wirsz
Subj : B5 Ripoff: Ds9
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
SW> ST:TOS - Man will survive through resourcefulness
SW> ST:TNG - Socialist Utopias (The "enlightened" Federation)
SW> will save the universe
SW> ST:DS9 - ""
SW> ST:Voy - ""
SW> B5 - Got two or three pages to spare??
Just about what I was trying to say in the first place. Thanks
Steven.
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X RM 1.3 X Eval Day -12 X Sitting in a bunker, here behind my Wall
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Msg : 60 of 322
From : Brian Henderson 1:207/241 .ÿò 02 .þí 95 11:53
To : Frank Eva
Subj : Babylon 5 (Pten)
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
FE> I think what Richard meant was that B5 is not as accepted as Star
FE> Trek; therefore, it's future is always going to be tenuous...
Which is very true. B5 isn't "accepted" because B5 doesn't have a big
corporation the keeps throwing money at it in almost limitless amounts.
I *WISH* B5 had that kind of support, but there are few, if any other
shows that do get the kind of monetary and media push that Paramount has
given Star Trek in all of it's later incarnations.
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X RM 1.3 X Eval Day -12 X Here kitty kitty kitty, Let's see if you're
aerodynamic.
--- Maximus 2.02
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Msg : 61 of 322
From : Brian Henderson 1:207/241 .ÿò 02 .þí 95 11:57
To : Steven Wirsz
Subj : B5 Talk
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
SW> Here and in most places I've seen it, PTEN programs definetly do
SW> come on in prime time. Try 8:00 PM Wed - and the repeat 11:00 PM
SW> Saturday. All you're area needs is a bit of letter writting.
Yep. We get it at 8pm on Thursday (used to be on Wednesday, but was
moved back in January-ish) with repeat at 10pm on Sunday. I hadn't
heard of *ANYONE* who didn't get the first showing in primetime,
although I have heard that the repeats were getting shown at all sorts
of silly times (we used to get it at 1am on Friday, just five hours
after the original showing).
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X RM 1.3 X Eval Day -12 X Dyslexia: it can warn without striking!
--- Maximus 2.02
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Msg : 62 of 322
From : Brian Henderson 1:207/241 .ÿò 02 .þí 95 12:03
To : Frank Eva
Subj : St: Voyager
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
FE> How about Legend? While this show may not be getting rave reviews, I
FE> have found it worthwhile entertainment. I never bothered to watch
FE> Voyager Q&A; it seemed like a tremendous waste of time.
Yeah. I don't care about Voyager, why would I care about Voyager Q&A? It
seemed like a complete waste, and those few Q&As that I did end up
seeing were pretty stupid.
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X RM 1.3 X Eval Day -12 X Alas Poor Yorick, I think you're dead
--- Maximus 2.02
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Msg : 63 of 322
From : Jason C Marshall 1:250/836 .óá 03 .þí 95 02:33
To : Sean McCormick
Subj : White Dwarf
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
All folded in system and saw Sean say White Dwarf
SM> It's been almost a week since the White Dwarf showing,and I haven't
SM> seen a single message about it.I liked the show myself.The tissue
SM> gloves were most amazing.
SM> Sean McCormick
Bwahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaha!!!!!!!
Reverse motion film. Period. Old trick and badly done considering
todays capabilities.
... I had three kids once. I was hungry that night.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 [NR]
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Msg : 64 of 322
From : Morten M.nsson 2:235/335.17 .óá 03 .þí 95 19:58
To : Karmin St.jean
Subj : MY FRIEND MAX
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Hi Karmin!
31 May 95 12:17, Karmin St.jean wrote to Morten MÆnsson:
MM>> what is the difference between the UK and the US versions of the show...
KSJ> YES! The major difference is in Bryce Lynch, Max's creator.....In the
KSJ> British film version made for Cinemax, Bryce was downright evil...
KSJ> ...In the American ABC version, Bryce was played by Chris Young...
KSJ> ...Other cast changes:.....the bracelet he was wearing that caused it.
KSJ> and in the British version Max ended up in the hands of Big Time TV.
KSJ> I hope that answers your quetion.
It certainly did! Thanks a lot!
Yours Sincerely
Morten "Max" MÆnsson
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Msg : 65 of 322
From : Morten M.nsson 2:235/335.17 .óá 03 .þí 95 20:05
To : Mark Jones
Subj : Starfleet Rules as...
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Hi Mark!
30 May 95 00:09, Mark Jones wrote to Morten MÆnsson:
MM>> Having read something about Starfleet rules, as interpreted by Captain
MM>> Picard and the crew of Enterprise, I got the urge to add a few more...:
MJ> And I've got a couple, as well:
MJ> 11. The use of fuses and circuit breakers is strictly prohibited!
MJ> 12. All manual overrides must be electronically operated.
Great stuff! ;-)
Anybody else, out there? I'll collect them and repost them, if you want to!
MJ> ... Mulder! FBI! Drop the sword, McLeod--I have a few questions....
ROTFL!
Med Venlig Hilsen
Morten "Mean" MÆnsson
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Msg : 66 of 322
From : Morten M.nsson 2:235/335.17 .cê 04 .þí 95 00:08
To : ROBERT LIDGREN
Subj : X-FILES EPISODE LIST
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Hi ROBERT!
31 May 95 23:02, ROBERT LIDGREN wrote to MORTEN MÏNSSON:
RL> I think you are referring to the episode guide I posted. I'd be happy
RL> to send it along. Would you mind giving me your e-mail address or refresh
RL> me on netmail. So far I've only used my local provider to read SFFAN and
RL> reply to messages as well as sending things off to InterNet connections.
You're right. Thanks anyway though. Someone here in Denmark, saw my
desperate cries for help, and mailed me a copy of it, so I'm okay now.
Cheers!
Morten "Mulder" MÆnsson
--- GoldED 2.42.G1219
--- GEcho 1.00
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Msg : 67 of 322
From : Morten M.nsson 2:235/335.17 .cê 04 .þí 95 02:25
To : ROBERT LIDGREN
Subj : MY FRIEND MAX
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Hi ROBERT!
01 Jun 95 23:15, ROBERT LIDGREN wrote to FRANK SWARBRICK:
FS>> You mean there was a whole British Max Headroom series?
FS>> I thought there was just one movie. Interesting...
Oh yeah! I on the other hand, never knew about the US version!
RL> Yes there was. I don't know how many episodes there were,
RL> but I suspect it was something like 8 to 12.
The UK version was shown on one of our networks (TV2), back in 1991.
It was at least 14 episodes. I have seen the mastertapes with the numbers
on them myself. Unfortunately I never got any copies myself! ;-(((
So! Tell me about the US version. How many episodes were there? What year?
Yours Sincerely!
Morten "Mean" MÆnsson
--- GEcho 1.00
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Msg : 68 of 322
From : Morten M.nsson 2:235/335.17 .cê 04 .þí 95 02:29
To : ROBERT LIDGREN
Subj : MY FRIEND MAX
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Hi ROBERT!
01 Jun 95 23:16, ROBERT LIDGREN wrote to KARMIN ST.JEAN:
->> Actually, Amanda Pays and G.W. Morgan (Theora and Blank Reg)
->> were also held over from the series.
RL> Thanks! You jogged my memory! Now I do recall Amanda Pays and...
Who can forget her? ;-)
Greetings!
Morten "Max" MÆnsson
--- GEcho 1.00
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Msg : 69 of 322
From : Morten M.nsson 2:235/335.17 .cê 04 .þí 95 02:32
To : ROBERT LIDGREN
Subj : MY FRIEND MAX
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Hi ROBERT!
31 May 95 22:56, ROBERT LIDGREN wrote to MORTEN MÏNSSON:
RL> I do know I RENTED a videocassette of the first two hours of the
RL> British series a few years ago. The title: simply "Max Headroom."
Yeah. We had a few cassettes in our shops many years ago. Before the show
was even on danish TV (??) You could get 3 different cassettes with 2 eps.
on each. Then suddenly they were all gone, withdrawn by the distributor I
think. A few years later (1991 I think), the series was shown on national
TV (TV-2), but no reruns! Turns out, they didn't buy the rights for reruns,
so now everyone tries to make the network show the reruns, but alas no luck.
They just won't shell out the dough!
Yours Sincerely
Morten "Max" MÆnsson
--- GEcho 1.00
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Msg : 70 of 322
From : Morten M.nsson 2:235/335.17 .cê 04 .þí 95 02:34
To : ROBERT LIDGREN
Subj : X-FILES EPISODE LIST
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Hi ROBERT!
31 May 95 23:02, ROBERT LIDGREN wrote to MORTEN MÏNSSON:
RL> I think you are referring to the episode guide I posted. I'd be happy to
RL> send it along. Would you mind giving me your e-mail address or refresh me
RL> on netmail. So far I've only used my local provider to read SFFAN and
RL> reply to messages as well as sending things off to Internet addresses.
Just saw all your postings on the subject. Awesome stuff! Thanks a lot!
Yours Sincerely!
Morten "Mean" MÆnsson
--- GEcho 1.00
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Msg : 71 of 322
From : Morten M.nsson 2:235/335.17 .cê 04 .þí 95 02:41
To : All
Subj : Movie related Echo's
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Hi All!
I know, that I have asked the questions before,
but I simply can't understand that I haven't gotten any answers yet.
The questions are simple:
Aren't there any Echo's about Movies in general??
Somebody please post me the names of those, so that I can get them on my
backbone here in Denmark. I can't imagine there being none whatsoever??
I mean, what if I have a question about a western or Stallone or such???
Thanks in advance!
Yours Sincerely
Morten "Mean" MÆnsson
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Msg : 72 of 322
From : Brian Woodward 1:207/241 .cê 04 .þí 95 06:25
To : Frank Eva
Subj : Re: B5 RERUNS???
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-=> Quoting Frank Eva to All <=-
FE> Does anyone know what happened to the last 5 episodes in this
FE> season's schedule? (The Long Twilight Struggle, Divided Loyalties,
FE> Comes the Inquisitor, The Price of Peace, and The Fall of Night
FE> (season finale)). We've had reruns 3 weeks in a row!
On another SF echo I get, someone wrote that thay are not going to
show those episodes until the start of next season. No reason was
stated.
... "Live long and prosper......NOT!!!!!!!"
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 [NR]
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Msg : 73 of 322
From : Mark Jones 1:105/302.47 .cê 04 .þí 95 21:38
To : Tony Trujillo
Subj : Sliders Continuity
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (04 Jun 95) Tony Trujillo wrote to Starwolf...
TT> It seems that DEAD isn't quite DEAD when it comes to series.
TT> There's been talk that the show isn't quite dead yet (it's
TT> resting?) but I think they better get production started
TT> again soon before the cast members start looking for other
TT> roles that will take them away from the show. I'm sure no
TT> actor is going to want to be committed to a dead/doomed
TT> series.
It is my belief that we're going to be seeing more and more
independently-syndicated series in the years ahead. As a side effect,
I think we'll also see more and more examples of Network A (or virtual
Network A, as in UPN or PTEN) cancelling a series, only to have
another network (or virtual network) pick it up, believing that either
a) *they* can make it work, or...
b) they'll be happy with ratings the other (larger?) network found
unacceptable.
So far USA Network is the champ at this. They grabbed Airwolf when
CBS gave it the axe and produced an (absolutely abysmal) extra season
before they started syndicating it. They also bought up Silk
Stalkings and have had great success with it. And just recently they
announced that they're taking on Forever Knight as well.
... "Psychically, I'm very well endowed." -- L. Cranston
--- PPoint 1.78
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Msg : 74 of 322
From : Mark Jones 1:105/302.47 .cê 04 .þí 95 21:44
To : David Johnston
Subj : Sliders - Bathroom? Wash
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (03 Jun 95) David Johnston wrote to Mark Jones...
DJ> -> It might take as much *total* energy to replicate an entire
DJ> -> engine block as to replicate the parts--but that's irrelevant
DJ> -> if they can't produce all the energy needed in one burst.
DJ>
DJ> Of course the simple answer is just to build a bigger replicator.
Yeah! Like space-dock sized replicators powered by a ring of
matter-antimatter reactors. Build a starship, get it fully equipped,
fully provisioned, fully crewed. Slide it into the replicator dock
and scan it. File the data away.
When the Borg come calling, send them a message:
"Crunch all you want. We'll make more!"
Turn out starships as fast as you can cycle them through the airlock!
... Power corrupts, and absolute power... is absolutely divine!
--- PPoint 1.78
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Msg : 75 of 322
From : Mark Jones 1:105/302.47 .cê 04 .þí 95 21:46
To : Steven Skaggs
Subj : Star Wars
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (03 Jun 95) Steven Skaggs wrote to Mark Jones...
MJ> ...and if the studio fanned the flames with rumors of an
MJ> impending new trilogy, the stuff will probably sell even better.
MJ> No marketing exec ever thought that "good enough" couldn't be
MJ> improved.
SS>
SS> That really doesn't explain why Lucas says he will do new movies. He
SS> certainly doesn't need the money.
Look, I've given you three scenarios for why Lucas might claim he was
going to produce more Star Wars movies even if he didn't really intend
to do it. That's enough.
I don't believe it. I *won't* believe it until there is far more
substantial evidence for it than has been provided so far.
If you believe it's gonna happen, fine. Time will tell who was right.
... E [\......] F (Just as I thought--you desperately need a clue!)
--- PPoint 1.78
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Msg : 76 of 322
From : Mark Jones 1:105/302.47 .cê 04 .þí 95 21:49
To : Myra I Fox
Subj : Joe Dawson
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (03 Jun 95) Myra I Fox wrote to Jack Butler...
MI> I haven't seen the second part yet... but I couldn't believe that
MI> he was actually going to *use* the gun, I thought it was just a
MI> last ditch effort to threaten her into giving the disk back to
MI> him. Of course, that wasn't going to work since she really
MI> believes that she is doing the right thing.
I figured he'd actually do it. It's been made clear enough over the
last couple of seasons that he takes the Watchers very seriously. And
it isn't just the immortals who'd be screwed if the news leaks out
(and is believed by The Powers That Be); the Watchers would be slated
for interrogation cells too.
On the other hand, Joe was suffering from Author-Induced Stupidity in
this episode. He had a *perfect* opportunity to take the disk from
her when he discovered her looking at the database in the used book
store. At best, he could simply have ejected it from the computer and
put it in his pocket before she stopped him. At worst, he could have
smacked her around with his cane and *then* taken the disk.
Sure, she'd have been furious--she might even have had him arrested
for assault. But that wouldv'e been a lot better than *killing* her,
don't you think?
... "...with the blood of patriots AND TYRANTS." T. Jefferson
--- PPoint 1.78
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Msg : 77 of 322
From : Mark Jones 1:105/302.47 .cê 04 .þí 95 21:54
To : Starwolf
Subj : B5 Baseball
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (04 Jun 95) Starwolf wrote to Mark Jones...
S > MJ> The choice was obvious....
S >
S > Yes. Unfortunately, they managed to get it wrong anyway.
Now, now. Don't be bitter. Bitter isn't zen. (At least, I don't
think it is. But I don't know from zen, so maybe....)
I can see it now. Zen Bitterness.
"What is the sound of one hand clapping?"
It's the sound of the Master slapping anyone who brings up that stupid
koan again....
... A police state is a wonderful thing--if you're the police.
--- PPoint 1.78
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Msg : 78 of 322
From : Alisanne Fleitman 1:107/955 .îí 05 .þí 95 11:14
To : ROBERT LIDGREN
Subj : MORE SLIDERS DATA
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Thanks very much for posting the information about Sliders. This has been one
of our family's favorite shows. Alas, my daughter's favorite, even more than
this one, was Earth2. :-( It is hard to explain to a five year old why they
cancelled her favorite show.
** Alisanne **
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Msg : 79 of 322
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .îí 05 .þí 95 17:24
To : All
Subj : More Crosspost
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
This one is from Jill Kirby:
You know you've been watching too much Highlander when you listen to
the song "Dust in the Wind" on the radio and you get all misty about Tessa
over a year later...
... "I know his name." -- The Kurgan
--- FMail 0.98a
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Msg : 80 of 322
From : Michael Vergara 1:2605/631 .òp 06 .þí 95 00:23
To : Mark Jones
Subj : EARTH 2/SO LONG
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: GE 1.11+
Said Mark Jones to Tom Robinson about EARTH 2/SO LONG:
TR> I remember tuning out the "who's the leader" thread months ago
TR> after they tried to leave Julia behind. What a crock that was.
MJ> It was actually the first intelligent thing they'd ever done since
MJ> they landed on that stupid planet. Naturally, they changed what
MJ> passes for their minds in the next episode.
MJ> The characters were fools, the "science" was laughable and the
MJ> society was preposterous. This show was tripe of the worst kind.
I don't think they would have had a choice (going back to Julia after they left
her). They had NO DOCTOR, and Julia had NO SUPPLIES; naturally, they need each
other to survive.
The characters were not fools. They were people dealing with the stresses of
being alone on an alien world, and took risks when necissary when they had to
stay alive. If I were in their situation, I don't see what much else I could
have done better.
As for Morgan, I think his entire purpose was to _BE_ a fool..
MikeyV
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Msg : 81 of 322
From : Crah 1:2601/515 .òp 06 .þí 95 02:12
To : Frank Glover
Subj : ST-Generations
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
03 Jun 95 13:01, Frank Glover wrote to Paul Worley:
PW>> Anybody know when GENERATIONS will be coming out on video?
FG> I've asked two local video stores. One had no idea, the other
FG> believed it would be on the shelves by fall, but available for
FG> rental before that....
Thanks! Strange that the rental places will have it before it's on the shelf to
buy. Kinda supports pirating copies, doesn't it?
Crah
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Msg : 82 of 322
From : Chris Carter 1:105/302.23 .òp 06 .þí 95 03:29
To : Richard Yamagata
Subj : B5 TALK
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
RY> As it is, they imply that Delenn and Commander Sinc were
RY> married in that episode long ago where they were exchanging
RY> culture customs. It seems that this bit was penned by JMS
RY> back, before they dec that Sinclair was to leave. It made no
RY> sense to me.
JMS stated quite clearly on Usenet that the bit with Delenn and
Sinclair getting married was a ruse, and as such can be entirely
disregarded.
Chris - carter@teleport.com
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Msg : 83 of 322
From : Steven Wesen 1:271/236 .òp 06 .þí 95 07:45
To : Tony Trujillo
Subj : Re: Sliders Continuity
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: GE 1.11+
The Rummors of Sliders death is slightly exagerated.
The show was a midseason replacement for Party of Five and most likely will
return during the middle of the season.
Steve(Merlyn)
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Msg : 84 of 322
From : Steven Wesen 1:271/236 .òp 06 .þí 95 07:56
To : Frank Glover
Subj : Re: ST: VOYAGER SURVIVES
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: GE 1.11+
Ah but the idea of holigramtic CREW member had never been esablished in the Star
Trek Universe and the Idea of a shifting Hard Light to Soft Light conversion for
the DR. was also done on RED DWARF.
The Holideck was invented by Star Trek in the 70's in the Animated series but
did not create people on the Holideck .
The Idea of Holigramatic crew members or Holigramatic people was created by
RED DWARF months before Star Trek the Next Generation even started filming thier
first episode.
I do not want knock Star Trek but there are other forms of Science Fiction they
emulate.
Steven (Merlyn)
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Msg : 85 of 322
From : Phill Ash 1:275/160 .òp 06 .þí 95 08:24
To : Cmcdonough
Subj : ST: VOYAGER SURVIVES
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: GE 1.11+
>Have you ever read the Odyssey?
>This is NOT an irrelevent question.
>Also, brownie points to those who can identify a movie considered
>"classic" in SF that boldly/blatantly stole the plot from Shakespear's
>*THE TEMPEST*.
"Forbidden Planet"
for other Shakespeare adaptations see:
West Side Story.....Romeo & Juliet
Men of Respect.............MacBeth
Your pal: PhlAsh
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Msg : 86 of 322
From : Bruce Baugh 1:105/290.50 .òp 06 .þí 95 10:59
To : Jack Butler
Subj : Directorial Trademarks
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (04 Jun 95) Jack Butler wrote to Myranya Werlemann...
JB> The two best examples of this trademark was, in one film,
JB> "Klaatu Beratis Nikto" was used as "magic words". In another,
JB> it was duing a muffled phone conversation (the hero says to
JB> the heroine "bad connection... sounds like he just said
JB> "Klaatu Beratis Nikto...").
Just to get this straight, it's "Klaatu Barada Nikto".
... We're from Washington. We came to help ourselves to everything!
--- PPoint 1.92
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Msg : 87 of 322
From : J Hulley-Miller 1:107/330 .òp 06 .þí 95 12:07
To : Karmin St.jean
Subj : SF Channel and Anime
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Greetings Karmin,
Sunday May 28 1995 19:23, Tammy Blandino wrote to Karmin St.jean:
KS>> the SciFi Channel introduces it's new Saturday Morning Anime
KS>> lineup!)
I missed this, could you please repost the list ? Tnx.
jhm@cnj.digex.net
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Msg : 88 of 322
From : Gerald Hoffman 1:3654/70 .òp 06 .þí 95 12:30
To : Cmcdonough
Subj : ST: VOYAGER SURVIVES
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: GE 1.11+
Cm>Also, brownie points to those who can identify a movie considered
Cm>"classic" in SF that boldly/blatantly stole the plot from Shakespear's
Cm>*THE TEMPEST*.
Cm> /s/ Craig
Can you say "Forbidden Planet"? Sure, I knew you could.
Gerald
P.S. When do I get my brownie points?
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Msg : 89 of 322
From : Allison Urschel 1:123/75 .òp 06 .þí 95 15:26
To : All
Subj : X-Files
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Hi, I'm an X-Files and Voyager fan. Now that Voyager has it's own board, what
about X-Files? It's a great show, why hasn't anyone started an X-Files board. I
live in Memphis, and would appriciate if any other fellow Memphians have
discovered one that maybe I've over looked.
i also wouldn't mind someone becominf g sort of and X-Files penpal. If you are
just write me your opinion on the show, hopefully a positive one. Catch ya
later.
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Msg : 90 of 322
From : Chris Baugh 1:105/290.5 .òp 06 .þí 95 19:45
To : ROBERT LIDGREN
Subj : White Dwarf
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (23 May 95) ROBERT LIDGREN wrote to ALL...
RL> If Al Pacino turns up I wouldn't be shocked though.
Ain't he too tall to play a White Dwarf? (Maybe not, with the magic
of special effects!)
... I am Perot of Borg: You will be assimilated with a giant sucking sound
--- PPoint 1.92
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Msg : 91 of 322
From : Ecarey 1:101/230 .pä 07 .þí 95 17:59
To : Dkimmel
Subj : B5 RERUNS???
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
> EC>Warner/PTEN had a brainstorm, and decided to HOLD those last four
> episodes
> EC>until October, starting the "third season" four weeks early with
> the last fo
> EC>episodes of season two, and thus getting a jump on some of the
> other shows -
> EC>hopefully building the audience a bit right before the sweeps in
> November, b
> EC>getting people in the habit of watching B5 while other things
> it's up agains
> EC>are still in reruns.
>
> EC>Many people, for reasons which are mysterious to me, regard this
> as a Bad
> EC>Thing.
>
> From a *fan's* point of view it is a Bad Thing for several reasons:
>
> a.) The four shows will air this month in England, which means that
> those of us getting B5 notes via the Internet may inadvertently pick
> up
> spoilers.
A) Apparently they WON'T be airing in England this month - they're being held
'til October in the UK as well as here. Saw this on the Internet today.
B) The fact that it's syndicated results in many people either seeing, or having
to take fairly active steps to avoid seeing, spoilers in any case.
> b.) The series is conceived in five seasons with each season
> constructed
> in a particular way. It would be like a magazine editor arbitrarily
> moving the last ten pages of part II of a serial to part III. Thus
> the
> climactic season finale will immediately be followed by the new
> season
> while the "de facto" season finale, while dramatic, was not the note
> the
> second season was to end on.
This is a genuine drawback, but hardly a disastrous one. The "average" viewer
won't be too distressed because they're likely not to \notice\ the disruption to
the intended flow of the series - it's not as the episodes are being shown in
different \order\ than intended, after all. And the hooked-in fannish viewer
\knows\ what's happened, and will watch the "first four episodes" next season
\knowing\ they're actually the last four episodes of the second season, and
derive from them much of the intended effect.
> c.) Because of syndication scheduling this will happen again NEXT
> year.
> Why not simply start season three in October, so that it can END at
> the
> conclusion of the May sweeps?
>
> From a business point of view, moving four first run episodes from
> July
> to October makes perfect sense because of increased viewership and,
> hence, increased ad rates.
Thus making it FAR more likely that we'll actually get to SEE all five seasons.
Puttting the episodes where they have the best chance to build viewership for
the series is A Good Thing for the fans who want to see JMS'
novel-for-television complete. It would have been better if Warner/PTEN had
understood the potential viewership for the show to begin with, and scheduled it
accordingly, but they didn't, and now they're stuck with working with the
original schedule and \making\ things fit.
But July would have been a lousy time to run the episodes, and everyone should
be GLAD Warner/PTEN has rethought that particular bit of idiocy.
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Msg : 92 of 322
From : Ecarey 1:101/230 .pä 07 .þí 95 18:08
To : Richard Yamagata
Subj : B5 CATCH-UP
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
> It is fortunate that dreams do take form and become reality.
> Babylon 5 has been renewed for season 3 and Micro-Machines have
> produced 4 sets of B5 models. Of course this is only fraction of
> the number of Trek Micro-Machines, but it is a healthy start! What
> I feared is that JMS would put a kabosh on the whole deal with his
> view that marketing and fanchising can be demeaning -- one of the
> messages found in one of the recent episodes. I think this is a
> very good sign that we will see all 5 years of Babylon 5. Ry
For all the talk about JMS finding "this sort of marketing" "demeaning", he does
not yet appear to have said NO to \anything\ that will generate more B5-related
income - so far we have B5 Micromachines, comics, novels, and I've seen
advertisements for caps and t-shirts.
And note that this is while B5 is only in its second season - the only shows
that have gotten tie-in products out faster have been shows that were conceived
for the \purpose\ of selling "tie-ins".
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Msg : 93 of 322
From : Ecarey 1:101/230 .pä 07 .þí 95 18:14
To : Richard Yamagata
Subj : BABYLON 5 (PTEN)
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
> FE> BH>You said at the end that "unfortunately, B5 is not like Star
> Trek".
> FE> BH>There is nothing unfortunate about it. It is not supposed to
> be like
> FE> BH>Star Trek, and if it was, I certainly wouldn't watch it.
>
> FE> I think what Richard meant was that B5 is not as accepted as
> FE> Star Trek; therefore, it's future is always going to be
> tenuous...
>
RY> Thank you Frank for making it clear what I meant; it is unfortunate
> that B5 does not share in the "sure thing" mentality that Voyager
> seems to enjoy. I mean, I have not heard of any of the B5 cast going
> out and buying a condo in Malibu or a Porsche, like I heard some of
> the Voyager Cast did when they had their contract in hand. Ry
STAR TREK is nearly thirty years old now, and Voyager is the FOURTH Trek series,
not the first. It would be no credit to the intelligence of the actors in the B5
cast if they ASSUMED that a series that hadn't even gone on the air yet [at that
point] was as much of a sure thing as Voyager with its built-in audience and its
built-in Trek commercial credibility.
If B5 survives to finish its planned five-year run, it will have been
significantly more successful than the first Trek series. If the [hypothetical]
second Babylon series is also a success, then \perhaps\ actors signed to the
cast of the \third\ series will have the same confidence as the actors signed to
the cast of the fourth Trek series.
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Msg : 94 of 322
From : Ecarey 1:101/230 .pä 07 .þí 95 18:19
To : Bruce Baugh
Subj : B5 BASEBALL
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
>MJ> Not necessarily--but the station *designers* may have been
>MJ> baseball fans. EarthForce seems to be strongly influenced by
>MJ> (if not descended from) the American government and culture.
>MJ> Americans, as a whole, are bigger fans of baseball than of
>MJ> zen.
>
BB> For that matter, baseball is also _tremendously_ popular in Japan,
> and in parts of the Third World. That part of the station could well
> have been designed by someone other than an American.
All through Latin America, the Philippines, Korea - European soccer snobbery
aside, baseball IS an international sport. It's just not popular in \Europe\.
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Msg : 95 of 322
From : Jeff Schlenker 1:288/19 .åò 08 .þí 95 00:04
To : Crah
Subj : Re: ST-Generations
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-=> Crah was overheard speaking to Frank Glover <=-
PW>> Anybody know when GENERATIONS will be coming out on video?
FG> I've asked two local video stores. One had no idea, the other
FG> believed it would be on the shelves by fall, but available for
FG> rental before that....
Cr> Thanks! Strange that the rental places will have it before it's on the
Cr> shelf to buy. Kinda supports pirating copies, doesn't it?
Yes that is strange, but it was done that way with True Lies. You could
rent it long before it arrived in stores to buy.
I don't get it.
Jeff
Jeffrey A. Schlenker jeff.schlenker@lake-city.com
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Msg : 96 of 322
From : Paul Worley 1:2601/515 .åò 08 .þí 95 02:16
To : Joel Jessup
Subj : Generations Video
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
06 Jun 95 21:16, Joel Jessup wrote to Paul Worley:
JJ> I heard a July 11 release date for RENTAL, followed by a general
JJ> release later in the year, probably november or the holidays. JGJ
I heard a rumor that it'd hit the shelves, for rental and sales in August.
I;ve heard just about everything, including a new seven-movie commemerative set
with lots of goodies. What do the people who bought the 5 and 6 cassette
editions do with the old ones now?
Paul
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Msg : 97 of 322
From : Cyndi Edwards 1:324/116 .åò 08 .þí 95 10:36
To : Frank Glover
Subj : ST-Generations
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
I spoke to my video store here and they have been telling everyone to expect it
in the middle to the end of July. I hope that helps.
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Msg : 98 of 322
From : Cyndi Edwards 1:324/116 .åò 08 .þí 95 10:40
To : Tony Trujillo
Subj : Sliders Continuity
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
According to what I have been reading on USENET about Sliders is that it is not
quite cancelled but will be a mid-season replacement again next season. I don't
know how reliable that information is but I hope it is true.
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Msg : 99 of 322
From : Cyndi Edwards 1:324/116 .åò 08 .þí 95 10:43
To : Mark Jones
Subj : White Dwarf
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
I know what you mean I sat through the whole show but just to get my "hacker
card". It is like they took a half hour show and turned it into 2 hours, talk
about slow. I will probably give it a second chance if they do decide to make a
series but only one more shot.
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Msg : 100 of 322
From : Ecarey 1:101/230 .åò 08 .þí 95 11:21
To : Robert Lidgren
Subj : EARTH 2/SO LONG
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
> Rememebr, it's only something like 10% of the population who read
> novels.
> That's a scary statistic but it's accurate as far as I know. If you
> DON'T READ
> SCIENCE FICTION you haven't a clue about what the possibilities
> might be for a
> science fiction film or TV series.
It only sounds like a scary statistic when you take it in isolation and don't
ask intelligent questions about WHICH DIRECTION readership has been going in.
My grandparents were illiterate. My mother and her siblings were dropped by
their friends as stuck-up snobs when my illiterate grandmother decided that all
her children were going to GRADUATE from high school. Most of my cousins have
been to college, and a few, like me, have graduate degrees.
More people then ever before in the history of the world are getting some of
their recreation from \reading\, and the most desperately insecure of the
intellectual snobs have been forced to resort to such strategems as declaring
that some collections of bound pages covered with printed words telling a story
aren't "real books".
Book sales in the US have been going straight UP for the last couple of decades.
Sales of individual \titles\ are \down\, but the total \number\ of titles, and
the total sales of books, are skyrocketing. More people are reading more
different things.
Mall bookstores are sneered at, often with reason, but when was the last time
you saw a mall without a bookstore? Often there's two. A bookstore is as
necessary a feature of a mall as the two anchor stores and someplace to eat
lunch. Why do you suppose this is, if nobody is reading?
And look at what's happening with non-mall bookstores. Superstores are taking
over - lots and lots of different titles, in a pleasant atmosphere which
includes \chairs\ and frequently an espresso bar. It's the whole basis of
Borders, it's the way Barnes and Noble is going, and only Waldenbooks, of the
national chains, doesn't have such stores. Waldenbooks is experiencing some
difficulties because sales aren't keeping up with their competitors...
Malls need bookstores, but little mall bookstores with limited selections are no
longer where money is made in bookselling. The big money is all in the big
stores with lots of selection. This is as true of independents as it is of the
chains. The independents need to either have great depth in a specialty area
[sf&f, women's, gay&lesbian, African-American, children's, etc.] or they need to
have the same breadth and the same browse-all-you-want want atmospher as the
chain superstores in order to compete.
People are reading. They're just not all following sheeplike in the reading
footsteps of the fashion leaders.
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Msg : 101 of 322
From : Dkimmel 1:101/230 .åò 08 .þí 95 13:42
To : Ecarey
Subj : JMS STUFF 6/1
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Thought you might be interested in this item from the B5 echo:
MM>>Why is PTEN holding the last four?
MM> The last 4 episodes of this season are being held by PTEN until
MM>October, in theory to lead into the year three (not yet approved) debut
MM>in November. I think I finally sussed out why this is being done; I
MM>heard the other day that Voyager is doing the same thing. So that means
MM>PTEN is counter programming it.
MM> jms
* SLMR 2.1a * When correctly viewed, EVERYTHING is lewd.
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Msg : 102 of 322
From : John Kahane 1:163/198.5 .åò 08 .þí 95 16:47
To : Richard Yamagata
Subj : B5 Catch-Up
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
In a message of , Richard Yamagata scribed:
RY> Hello John and all visitors to this echo!
Visitors to this echo? Umm...errr...what did I miss here? :)
RY> The sight with the plot synopsis and analysis that I visit
RY> regularly is: http://www.hyperion.com From there you just
RY> select: The Lurker's Guide to Babylon 5 to go into the most
RY> complete B5 site in the world -- at least that is my opinion.
This is what I've heard as well...however, I've also heard from folks
who've downloaded stuff like the Lurker's Guide, who say that some of the files
badly need updating. Not to mention a few corrections.
RY> Your work posting the synopsises on the B5 echo is wonderful.
Thanks for the compliment. Glad you like it.
RY> It is also a lot of work.
Yes, it is. I do this more as a labour of love, than anything else. When
it becomes work, I'll likely stop. :) I hope that some of my material will be
posted up to the www or to Internet some day, but have no idea whether it's
already there. If so, I'd appreciate knowing about it.
John
.....
One pennyworth of example was worth a pound of punishment. (WA)
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Msg : 103 of 322
From : John Kahane 1:163/198.5 .åò 08 .þí 95 16:52
To : Frank Eva
Subj : Confessions & Lamentations
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On , Frank Eva wrote to Kay Shapero:
KS>> You'll note that that news announcer said that there were
KS>> probably surviving individuals in remote places, but the
KS>> Markab civilization was dead; maybe some of these survivors
KS>> will pop up later.
FE> Yeah, that was kind of the gist of the last comment in my
FE> post, that somehow JMS could discover an isolated colony of
FE> Markabs... if he wants to bring them back...
I think the whole business with the Markabs was brilliant, and
well-executed. The fact that there are likely to be one or two isolated
colonies out there is a good indicator that the Markabs will be seen again in
the series. The question now becomes what will happen with the Markab
homeworld, and will some other species stake a claim to it?
The really neat thing is that the business with the Markabs is not the
"decimation of a major race's homeworld" that JMS has been hinting at for a
while. Looks like the dying hasn't even started yet.
John
.....
"What good is being a witch if you don't do magic?" - Magrat Garlick (WA)
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Msg : 104 of 322
From : John Kahane 1:163/198.5 .åò 08 .þí 95 16:58
To : Jack Butler
Subj : Confessions et. al.
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
In a message of , Jack Butler scribed:
JK>> I'll do the best I can about this, Jack, but it'll take
JK>> me a bit of time. I'm up to my butt right now in projects,
JK>> and there's a paying one (for writing an article or two)
JK>> that I need to finish up first. Can you wait a bit on this?
JK>> (Not like we'll be seeing new episodes of B5 until October
JK>> now... :>> )
JB> Not a problem at all...
Thanks, muchly. Just do me a favour, please, and give me a gentle
reminder about this in a month or so. Not that I'm likely to forget, with the
post-it on the computer, but you never know...
John
.....
People didn't hit you over the head with farmhouses back home. (WA)
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Msg : 105 of 322
From : John Kahane 1:163/198.5 .åò 08 .þí 95 17:03
To : Frank Eva
Subj : Mira and Delenn
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
In a message of , Frank Eva scribed:
FG>> Less physically attractive, too. Some people look *better*
FG>> as an alien than a human. Robin Curtis is one...Mira Furlan,
FG>> IMHO, is another.
FE> Agreed! However, she still looks better than she did in the
FE> pilot. She looked almost manly, then...
She was *meant* to look manly in "The Gathering," Frank. :)
John
.....
One day a tortoise will learn how to fly. (SG)
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Msg : 106 of 322
From : Ecarey 1:101/230 .åò 08 .þí 95 17:58
To : Dkimmel
Subj : JMS STUFF 6/1
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
DK> Thought you might be interested in this item from the B5 echo:
>
>
> MM>>Why is PTEN holding the last four?
>
> MM> The last 4 episodes of this season are being held by PTEN
> until
> MM>October, in theory to lead into the year three (not yet approved)
> debut
> MM>in November. I think I finally sussed out why this is being
> done; I
> MM>heard the other day that Voyager is doing the same thing. So
> that means
> MM>PTEN is counter programming it.
> MM> jms
Makes sense. It's one thing to "waste" four episodes in July and start the
season in November if everyone else is starting in November, and another thing
to do that if the most direct competition the show has is holding four episodes
to start in October. And while DS9 is more similar in tone and feel, it's
Voyager that's currently the other sf series which is fighting for an audience
and likely to get one.
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Msg : 107 of 322
From : David Johnston 1:342/14 .ÿò 09 .þí 95 01:06
To : All
Subj : How Many?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
How many Minbari: Two. One to change it, and one to hand it to the
first one in a ceremony lasting three days.
How many Centauri: Once we were a GREAT PEOPLE! Once we knew how to
change our own and had more than any one else...What was the question?
How many Vorlons: Yesss
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Msg : 108 of 322
From : Bruce Baugh 1:105/290.50 .ÿò 09 .þí 95 04:55
To : Frank Eva
Subj : B5 Renewed!
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (07 Jun 95) Frank Eva wrote to Richard Yamagata...
FE> I think what makes this look bad is that prior to the offer,
FE> JMS took such a hard line against franchising B5. He now
FE> looks a bit hypocritical...
I'll argue both the major and minor premises - and I've been
following B5 discussions on GEnie since before the pilot aired.
JMS has never taken "a hard line" against franchising. He's taken a
hard line against schlock. From what I hear, the MicroMachines
models are well-done. Which is fine.
He's never quite come out and said, "The B5 novels bite the wax
tadpole." But he's sure danced up to the edge of saying that; it
sounds like the deal he ended up with there is not the deal he
thought he had, and any hypothetical future books are going to be
written by people _he_ picks, rather than assigned to him by the
publisher.
Likewise, he's been pretty decent about not bashing the faults of
the comic book, starting with the ghastly coloring. But his quiet
about a lot of aspects is itself indicative.
By the way, I must say that I don't think much of your complaint
aobut the comic not advancing the arc. What did you expect? The
point of the TV show is that it should stand on its own - people
shouldn't _have_ to get anything but the show to follow the major
developments. We are fortunate in having secondary media that affect
the show at all: compare the Trek novels and comics, with their
total disconnection from the show.
Back at the screed, then, I think you've misunderstood JMS' original
position.
... Madness takes its toll. Please have exact change.
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Msg : 109 of 322
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .ÿò 09 .þí 95 06:20
To : Brian Henderson
Subj : Babylon 5 (Pten)
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.42.bA 8060
BH>FE> I think what Richard meant was that B5 is not as accepted as Star
BH>FE> Trek; therefore, it's future is always going to be tenuous...
BH>Which is very true. B5 isn't "accepted" because B5 doesn't have a big
BH>corporation the keeps throwing money at it in almost limitless
BH>amounts.
According to the latest TV Guide, B5 didn't even rank in the top 120
shows this season... What gives?
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Msg : 110 of 322
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .ÿò 09 .þí 95 06:20
To : Kay Shapero
Subj : Babylon 5 (PTEN)
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.42.bA 8060
KS>Do you mean you somehow got hold of JMS' files, or just that you
KS>figure you've deduced the lot by this point in the story? Like the
Oh come on Kay, do you mean to tell me you don't recognize the ongoing
storyline revolving around the "shadows" as perhaps the most important
facet to the story arc revealed so far?
KS>guys who kept insisting it was all Lord of the Rings. He did say to
KS>expect surprises...
That wasn't me, and I do expect lots of surprises... :-)
--- CMPQwk 1.42-R2 #145 ---
I multitask... I read in the bathroom!
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Msg : 111 of 322
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .ÿò 09 .þí 95 06:21
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : Babylon 5 (PTEN)
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.42.bA 8060
JH>FE>Probably the same way he feels about the B5 comics, which also
JH>FE>don't
JH>So how is that, then? I didn't think you had contact with JMS.
Just guessing, but it seems obvious to me that JMS is not going to let
the B5 comics or novels advance the main storyline of B5: The TV Series.
JH>FE>ref: Kosh revealed?
JH>FE>JH>I'm thinking it'll be a CGI ball of light,
JH>FE>Based on the first season episode in which Kosh as a "ball of
JH>FE>light" moved back and forth in front of a translucent screen?
JH>Partially, although I don't remember/haven't seen that one; JK told
JH>me about it. I'm just guessing at it being reminiscent of the classic
JH>portrayal of angels/God in some way without being too obvious/cheesy.
Last season, because of this episode, I speculated that Kosh's people
were "energy beings", but then I was reminded that they do need an
artificial "environment" inside B5, and that Kosh had actually been
poisoned in one episode, both of which seem to imply more than an energy
being is inside that encounter suit...
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Msg : 112 of 322
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .ÿò 09 .þí 95 06:21
To : Craig Palme
Subj : Voyager Nose Diving?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.42.bA 8060
CP>That may be premature. I'd like to give the show a chance. Remember
CP>that when ST:TNG first came on, people didn't like it and made
CP>comparisons to ST:TOS.
I have given it a chance. I taped all of the first 9 episodes, and will
keep them in my collection. Since then, the quality has nosedived, and
the writers seem content to rehash old themes.
BTW, I thought the first season of TNG was EXCELLENT! I was not one of
the doomsayers. At this point, I plan on giving Voyager a chance, but I
really hope the writers are rejuvenated by next season...
CP>But your point is well made. I think it has to do with the fact that
CP>there is no underlying story unfolding. No plots and sub-plots that
CP>trail from episode to episode as is with Babylon 5.
I have never expected a "continuing" story in any Star Trek. In fact,
that is proving a major disadvantage for diehard B5 fans who have now
been told that they won't have any more of the B5 story until next
October. If this show hadn't been a continuing story, it would have been
much easier to accept a major postponement, but to have 4 episodes
postponed 4 months when you were expecting them now, is almost too much
to bear, especially considering we won't even see the 2nd season
"finale" this season!
CP>I'll have to wait and see what develops down the road. Hopefully it
CP>won't turn out to be as disappointing as ST:DS9 has turned out to be.
Yeah, that's one show I can not bring myself to watch! And that's quite
an admission coming from a diehard trekker like myself...
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Msg : 113 of 322
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .ÿò 09 .þí 95 06:21
To : All
Subj : B5 TAPES?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.42.bA 8060
Well, the videotapes of the first season of B5 that were supposed to be
released 6 months ago have still not arrived! For those of you who were
expecting/hoping for the tapes (and/or the laserdiscs), I suggest you
not hold your breath! :-)
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Msg : 114 of 322
From : Lanae Lauderdale 1:106/440 .ÿò 09 .þí 95 07:09
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : SLIDERS KILLED TOO!!
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: InterEcho 1.04 6E010618
Interesting.... Wonder why Jerry Doyle told us he had just received the news?
Just trying to impress us? That didn't seem to be his style!
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Msg : 115 of 322
From : Demian Katz 1:2626/102 .ÿò 09 .þí 95 11:00
To : Frank Eva
Subj : Re: I saw the missing Earth 2
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
> Was this the one that was preempted by the NBA game? How the heck did
> you get to see it?
NBC put it on sneakily in a late-night time slot, and it wasn't listed
in the TV Guide here... I missed it, and so far have been unable to find
anyone who taped it.. :(
Demian
... Internet: whovian@locke.ccil.org
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Msg : 116 of 322
From : Ecarey 1:101/230 .ÿò 09 .þí 95 11:19
To : Frank Eva
Subj : VOYAGER NOSE DIVING?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
> E>Frank, the demographics of the Voyager crew are the normal
> E>demographics of a naval ship - except that the average age of the
> E>Voyager crew may in fact be a tad HIGHER than in "real life".
>
FE> That matters not to me... I simply don't like the balance they've
> achieved and all the reasoning in the world about the 'reality' of
> it,
> isn't going to get me to change my mind.
OH, so you're saying they had an obligation to be guided by the demographics
that you personally prefer, rather than by what's plausible for the setting of
the show, in order to be considered a "good" show?
> E>The officers on B5 are older, because that's a diplomatic post
> with
> E>lots of tensions just below the surface.
>
FE> Yes, and I prefer it this way. Even Lt. Keffer looks more like an
> adult
> than some of Voyager's wet-behind-the-ears crew.
All you're saying here is that you personally prefer a show with older
characters. This is as reasonable a personal preference as any [and one I
partially share - remember the discussions of who and how old the captain of the
Voyager was going to be?], but it's strictly personal preference and says
nothing about the quality of the show.
Having such young characters making up a large part of the personnel of B5 WOULD
be poor work, because such young characters don't belong in those jobs. But
equally, having the Voyager crew consist entirely of older, experienced officers
without a large contingent of brand-new academy grads would ALSO be poor work,
because it's so implausible for the setting. Older officers are doing other
jobs. Only the captain, XO, and department heads would tend to be older people,
and that's what we have on Voyager, except in engineering, where all the older
officers were \killed\.
Once they decided on the setting for the new Trek show, the fact that most of
the officers and crew would be young was a forgone conclusion. So they didn't
produce exactly the show YOU want - so what? Both DS9 and B5 have older casts
and are aimed at somewhat older audiences. You're not being persecuted, Frank.
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Msg : 117 of 322
From : Ecarey 1:101/230 .ÿò 09 .þí 95 11:26
To : Brian Henderson
Subj : BABYLON 5 (PTEN)
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
> FE> I think what Richard meant was that B5 is not as accepted as
> Star
> FE> Trek; therefore, it's future is always going to be tenuous...
>
BH> Which is very true. B5 isn't "accepted" because B5 doesn't have a
> big
> corporation the keeps throwing money at it in almost limitless
> amounts.
> I *WISH* B5 had that kind of support, but there are few, if any
> other
> shows that do get the kind of monetary and media push that Paramount
> has
> given Star Trek in all of it's later incarnations.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
And that last is the critical point, of course. B5 isn't being specially
put-upon; it's just a new show in a category the industry doesn't understand all
that well, that hasn't had Trek's three decades yet to build its audience and
\convince\ Warner to lavish money on it the way Paramount lavishes money on
Trek.
Remember, B5 has only just come to the end of its second season. At the end of
ITS second season, Trek was \cancelled\ and saved only by the unprecedented
enthusiasm of its fans. And in its third season, it was given a lousy time-slot
and starved for funds.
Compared to where Trek was at this point in its history, B5 is doing quite well,
so quitcherbellyachin'.
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Msg : 118 of 322
From : Ecarey 1:101/230 .ÿò 09 .þí 95 11:31
To : Frank Eva
Subj : B5 RERUNS???
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
> EG> As for the big question, Warner Bros. has decided to hold the
> last
> EG> four episodes until *October*, allegedly to build interest for
> the
> EG> beginning of the third season, which hasn't even been approved
> at
> EG> this time. Season 2 will be re-running ad nauseum till then.
>
FE> Maybe the WB Network intends to make B5 its "flagship" next year???
> But
> don't they think they can have 4 great episodes ready for the start
> of
> next season??? How can they have a season 2 "finale" if they
> postpone it
> until next season???
>
FE> IMO, this seems like a really BAD move... It is going to incense
> diehard
> B5 fans who were expecting 4 more eps this season...
But they're less interested in the "die-hard B5 fans" WHO WILL WATCH THE SHOW
ANYWAY, than they are in the larger audience they need and want for the show to
be really profitable, and who will by and large NOT be watching much television
in July and hence would MISS those four episodes. It's much more useful from
the perspective of building a larger general audience for the show, and
generating more ad revenue to PAY for the show, to hold the four episodes and
run them in October, when most of its competition will still be in reruns, but
the viewers will be home and watching tv.
There's advantages to starting the season four weeks early.
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Msg : 119 of 322
From : Ecarey 1:101/230 .ÿò 09 .þí 95 11:39
To : Steven Wesen
Subj : RE: ST: VOYAGER SURVIVES
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
> The Idea of Holigramatic crew members or Holigramatic people was
> created by
> RED DWARF months before Star Trek the Next Generation even started
> filming thier first episode.
Too late to have much influence on TNG, even assuming that the Trek staff
noticed RED DWARF \immediately\, which is unlikely. Certainly it could have had
some influence on Voyager, but the similarities are much less than you seem to
think, and some of the things you think are stolen from RED DWARF have been
around for several millenia - I was NOT kidding when I asked if you'd read THE
ODYSSEY.
> I do not want knock Star Trek but there are other forms of Science
> Fiction they emulate.
You have seemed to be making a determined effort to identify every feature of
Trek as a ripoff of RED DWARF. Unfortunately, your reference in an earlier post
to the "cheeky" reference to a "red dwarf" renders whatever point you might have
had utterly foolish. Red dwarf stars are quite real, and common enough that
\failure\ to encounter one occasionally would be far more striking in a show
about intersteller travel.
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Msg : 120 of 322
From : Allison Urschel 1:123/75 .ÿò 09 .þí 95 16:11
To : All
Subj : I Found An X-files BOard
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
I was just playing around on a BBS when I decided to go through the message
areas to see if it had X-Files, and it did. Of course I live in Memphis,
Tennessee, so probably everyone doesn't have it. If you want the number, just
ask. Basically all the BBS is is the regular, you know, games, files, and a
message area.
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Msg : 121 of 322
From : John Kahane 1:163/198.5 .ÿò 09 .þí 95 17:44
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : B5 Delays
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
In a message of , Jeff Hancock scribed:
JK>> The Brits (and presumably the rest of Europe) are going to
JK>> be seeing the final four episodes of the second season in
JK>> June/July; we're going to have to wait until October for
JK>> them. *sigh*
JH> Has there been any explanation given for why this is?
All I know, based on what Joe has said elsewhere, is that it had something
to do with a) the way the contracts for B5 showing in European markets were set
up and b) a decision on the part of PTEN to show the episodes near the beginning
of the 3rd Season here so as to avoid the pitfalls of small television markets
over the course of the summer.
There may be more to it than that, but if there is, I don't know about it.
John
.....
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Msg : 122 of 322
From : John Kahane 1:163/198.5 .ÿò 09 .þí 95 17:51
To : Richard Yamagata
Subj : B5 RERUNS???
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On , Richard Yamagata wrote the following to Frank
Eva:
RY> The executives at PTEN decided that airing the last 4 episodes
RY> of Babylon 5 during the "summer" was a waste of good, first
RY> run material. These episodes are not going to be run in the US
RY> until October, right before the start of the 1995-6 season.
RY> It makes no sense to me. My list for Sacramento is:
RY> 10/01/95 Divided Loyalties
RY> 10/08/95 The Long, Twilight Struggle
RY> 10/15/95 Comes the Inquisitor
RY> 10/22/95 The Fall of Night (season finale)
RY> The price of peace seems to be missing from this list from
RY> Channel 31.
The reason "The Price of Peace" is missing from that list is the fact that
that was the former title of the episode that is now called "The Fall of Night."
John
.....
Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, especially simian ones. They're not
all that subtle. (L&L)
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Msg : 123 of 322
From : John Kahane 1:163/198.5 .ÿò 09 .þí 95 17:54
To : Frank Eva
Subj : B5 Takes
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
In a message of , Frank Eva scribed:
FE> Except that we may not see the season's finale until NEXT
FE> season! I simply don't understand how they can postpone the
FE> last 4 eps until next season. This is a major disappointment
FE> to me. I have sent e-mail to JMS asking him to confirm this
FE> rumor...
Not a rumour, Frank, a fact of life. One that we're not all that happy
about, and one that JMS agrees with us on, even if he can't say so. To be
honest, it was not in JMS's control, since it's a decision made by the Powers
That Be at PTEN.
John
.....
"Go ahead, bake my quiche." - Magrat Garlick (L&L)
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Msg : 124 of 322
From : Lawrence E Dunlap 1:106/2927 .ÿò 09 .þí 95 18:38
To : Robert Lidgren
Subj : Re: EARTH 2/SO LONG Page 1
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-=> Quoting Robert Lidgren to Steven Wesen <=-
RL> I sympathize with your feelings. I felt that way too, at times. I
RL> guess I just WISH the whole enterprise would have packed a more
RL> powerful PUNCH. And, I'm sure the people working on the series worked
RL> their hearts out trying to make it a success. Oh well, it wasn't a
RL> waste of time and it does teach us lessons. I just hope that non-Star
RL> Trek universe series can thrive. We need all the variety possible.
RL> Cheers,
RL> Robert Lidgren (1:134/10)
A Infuriated Lawrence E Dunlap is mad as the devil. He now can't bear to not
type the following:
_Earth 2_ lacked sufficient development time prior to premiering on NBC. Most
science fantasy programs which have failed also did so because
meddlesome/paranoid aged TV programming execs where their jobs are constantly on
'the bubble' if there isn't HIGH "TOP 10" RATINGS/HIGH AUDIENCE SHARE
out of the show they champion.
Network TV cannot risk losing advertisers who jump from low rated programs
because that means giving back dollars they've already taken to the bank.
So, rather than redesign the functional system for maintaining/increasing
advertising revenues and network profits, perhaps we should ask instead:
Will future attempts at Science fantasy TV take more time to properly predevelop
a show *before* trying to market it to a broadcast/cable company?
The other reason why _Star Trek_ sells so well is that little scientific
knowledge is required to assimilate the suitably of the shows for TV.
Evidently every previous Non Trek SF show has failed to sufficiently develop
their concept to obviate any substanial science knowledge in the
TV suits than normally believed tolerable by the mythical American TV viewer.
Are *college graduates* living and working *in* Network TV and Hollywood?
Perhaps we can't believe that.
The network sacrifical suits exhibit allergic reactions to any higher math
beyond that needed to manipulate the ancient
abacus, suffer symptoms of Scientific Information Tolerance Deficiency Syndrome
where the presence of Scientific Information
Tolerance is TV Audience HIV poisoning in the eyes of the suits exempt from
network ritual career sacrifices.
These sacrificible suits find low ratings and low market share (from total junk
SF series) fatal to their careers holding
possibilities for greater SF television because the exposed suits are fired
(sacrificed).
Some get several hundred thousand dollars of severance. Most go start production
companies who shy away from SF TV because of their history.
Others get all the way out of video production to mourn the loss of their chief
love
Some problems *are* due to movie/TV film technology, costs and revenues
allocated to development and preproduction suites for future programs.
Most of the main development problems are ideological, not technical
Nevertheless, I submit the above is a explication of the toxicity that science
fantasy holds for television executives.
We haven't started talking about the unwillingness of authors to deed over total
rights for strangers to the style
and concepts of the authors with total power to the total strangers/writers to
completely and absolutely butcher their novels and stories
-- where the authors cannot sue for damages because of television production
guild rules that won't be revised for fear of antitrust inspection
Now the name of an embarrassed author is ever connected with the totally
unrecognizable story/show.
Most authors are paranoid of Hollywood/New York City network producers/writers,
enough to completely refuse to allow butchery power over their work.
Networks will not work with anyone who will not grant such rights bilnd and deaf
to the reality that writers often impose their whim
and values on characters who came with their innate values from that author. I
am being general not alluding to any particular incidents
Some of the details comes between the lines of writings of spurned and jilted SF
authors and script writers for both cinematic and television movies.
Some of this was Gene Roddenberry's reportage and some sprigs of thoughts comes
from _Grumbles From The Grave_ compiled by Virginia Heinlein from the
late Robert A. Heiniein's personal letters to his literary agent.
Do you even want much more or should I stop now?
I think SF television can work, but how authors and network producers and
executives begin to peacably and cooperatively share a joint venture
is unforseeable to me at this time. Better SF will not come from the Big Three
(or do we want to say Big FOUR?)
TTYL
Lawrence E Dunlap
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Msg : 125 of 322
From : Lawrence E Dunlap 1:106/2927 .ÿò 09 .þí 95 18:38
To : Derek Wakefield
Subj : Re: Star Blazers
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-=> Quoting Derek Wakefield to Karmin St.jean <=-
DW> On Wed 24-May-1995 10:40 , Karmin St.jean said to Chris Baugh:
KS> The original name of the series was Space Cruiser Yamato, but the ship
DW> was
KS> renamed the Argo in Star Blazers. There were three series created, only
KS> two of which "Quest for Iscandar" and "Battle Against the Comet Empire"
KS> were ever shown on American TV. The third series, "The Bolar Wars" is
KS> available but was not aired (at least not in wide syndication like the
KS> other two.)
DW> Star Blazers 3 (The Bolar Wars) was aired on Ch-66 in Chicago back in
DW> the 84-85 timeframe. It was offered for syndication, but very few
DW> stations picked it up because of the original "barter" oriented
DW> licencing system used by Claster TV when the first two series were
DW> originally distributed in 79. It is also practically an uncut version
DW> of the original Yamato III series. Therefore, in light of the violent
DW> nature, and the "religious war" subplots involved, this probably caused
DW> a number of local stations to pass on it. There were also a lot of
DW> Japanime shows hitting the airwaves during this period of time; such as
DW> Voltron, Robotech, Captain Harlock and the Queen of a Thousand Years,
DW> etc. This caused local stations to be a bit leary of picking up yet
DW> another one.
DW> Derek (/\) (1:393/7)
Lawrence E Dunlap (who liked _Star Blazers_) drops in the mess hall for a hot
synthetic coffee and real bran muffins to say:
_Star Blazers 1_ also was particularly adult for a children's audience in
Houston scheduled for 08:30 weekdays.
One episode involved IQ-9 developing a crush on Nova next to the interstellar
destination of the _Argo_. One scene showed the animated and emotionally upset
Nova out of uniform down to only her lingerie slip. and bare shoulders.
Do I need to say more?
_Star Blazers 2_ didn't have such a adult scene during its run that I detected
from daily viewings of every episode.
_Star Blazers 3_ might have had some adult situations that clashed with the
animated program standards.
Why buy PG-13 animated SF progams containing minimally dressed animated females
when you could just show a live action PG-13 science fantasy movie with the
female
lead's uniform at seninude half-mast during some romance? Kids living in
households
of conservative parents won't be allowed to see that and double-standard adults
will
drink it up.
While I could speculate about the duplicity of such people, it's definitely
off-topic.
I rest my case.
Lawrence E Dunlap
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Msg : 126 of 322
From : Jeff Schlenker 1:288/19 .ÿò 09 .þí 95 18:53
To : Patrick Long
Subj : Ferengis in ST:V (From Re: Star Trek)
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-=> Patrick Long was overheard speaking to Jeff Schlenker <=-
JS>Hmmmm, now that I think of it, there COULD be two Ferengi "scientists"
JS>in a future episode of Voyager. They were stranded in the Delta
JS>Quadrant in a TNG episode from a few years back (3rd season episode,
JS>"The Price").
PL> Now that's an interesting thought...
PL> I wonder how much trouble those Ferengi have caused? 8)
IF they were smart enough to survive.
Jeffrey A. Schlenker jeff.schlenker@lake-city.com
... Die Hard: Without a Chance
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Msg : 127 of 322
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .ÿò 09 .þí 95 20:17
To : JEFF SCHLENKER
Subj : EARTH 2/SO LONG
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> -=> Rumble was overheard speaking to Ecarey <=-
->
-> Ru> Just letting every one know I am one of the ever growing 25 people Ru>
-> who watch Earth 2.
-> Hey me too! I'm number 26. But shouldn't it be "I *was* one who *watched*
-> Earth 2? :(
->
-> Jeffrey A. Schlenker jeff.schlenker@lake-city.com
-> ... You're a redneck if: You call your spouse "Cuz".
Since I was the one who started this thread and am the author of the "25
people" concept, I am delighted to see so many people did watch Earth 2 and of
those many enjoyed it. I figure I can update my estimate to 57 now!
I wonder why there were so few positive comments while the series was a
reality?
What the cancellation has done is cause many to re-evaluate just what makes a
series good, how soon you should unload your guns and savage a new series and
whether or not some leeway should be given so that improvement is possible and
likely.
Cheers,
Robert Lidgren
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Msg : 128 of 322
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .ÿò 09 .þí 95 20:43
To : ALL
Subj : BATMAN FOREVER LOCATION W
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Here's some info. on location work for the new movie Batman Forever.
I did not write this but am transferring it from the Batman Forever "Home Page"
on the WWW
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On Location
With the cast and crew in place, director Schumacher and producer
Peter Macgregor- Scott spearheaded the start of production in the
place which was the very foundation for Gotham ---New York City.
Neither of the two previous "Batman" films had filmed on actual city
streets, relying instead on studio exteriors and interiors. But
Schumacher, Macgregor-Scott, production designer Barbara Ling and
cinematographer Stephen Goldblatt knew that "Gothamizing" the narrow
corridors of Lower Manhattan, which are bordered by massive
skyscrapers, could give tremendous visual breadth to the film.
"I wish we could have done a month of work in New York," notes Ling,
"but in fact we only shot there for a week. I picked out a unique
street in Lower Manhattan, which gave us the kind of narrowness and
height quality of what Gotham is to me---towering corridors of
buildings looming over tightly packed avenues.
"Exchange Place---just one block from Wall Street itself---has that
amazing illusion. We added immense sculptures and overscaled signage
that helped take what is already the giant molding of New York and
make it look even bigger. We had colored steam and smoke pouring out
of the sidewalk grilles, which created another sense of scale so it
looks like the sidewalks are melting into the ground."
Shooting on Exchange Place presented a unique on-location challenge to
the company: How do you run the brand-new, top-secret,
never-before-seen Batmobile along the street without having the entire
city witness its maiden voyage? The problem was solved by giant,
moveable slats of flatwood that closed off Exchange Place from general
view. But later into the night, another shot was required for the
Batmobile on Gold Street, several blocks from Exchange Place. The
clock was racing, and rather than place the vehicle into its
custom-built truck, it was decided for the sake of time to just drive
it there, with full N.Y.P.D. escort!
Also in New York, the massive Surrogate's Court Building on Chambers
Street, a Beaux Arts behemoth built in 1907, served as the exterior
and interior location of the Gotham Municipal Police Complex. For the
exterior of the swank Ritz Gotham Hotel, the "Batman Forever" company
secured the old U.S. Customs Building just weeks before it re-opened
as the Smithsonian Museum of the American Indian. The crew then
traveled to Glen Cove, Long Island, where the Webb Institute of Naval
Architecture stood in for the faade of Wayne Manor.
But the monumental challenge of shooting began in earnest when the
production returned to Southern California. The huge physical backdrop
of "Batman Forever" required more than just a soundstage or two. In
fact, it required more than an entire studio. For the more than 60
sets designed by Barbara Ling, the production utilized several stages
and backlot sets at Warner Bros. Studios, one huge stage nearby at
Universal Studios, several actual locations in the city of Los
Angeles, and the entire 140,000 square feet of the imposing Dome in
Long Beach, which once housed Howard Hughes' massive World War II-era
transport plane, the Spruce Goose.
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CHEERS,
Robert Lidgren
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Msg : 129 of 322
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .ÿò 09 .þí 95 20:47
To : ALL
Subj : BATMAN FOREVER/HEROES&VIL
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Batman Forever info on Heroes and Villains
Note: All material below is from the Batman Forever
"Home Page" on the WWW
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New Hero, New Villains
Joel Schumacher has always been noted for his ability to find the
right actors for the right roles, as borne out by his previous
ventures. "St. Elmo's Fire" helped launch the careers of a group of
then-emerging stars, including Demi Moore and Andie MacDowell;
"Flatliners" and "Dying Young" were among the first features to tap
into the talents of Julia Roberts; "Falling Down" effectively
exploited Michael Douglas' image as an archetypical leading man; and
"The Client" earned Susan Sarandon an Academy Award nomination as Best
Actress.
"Batman Forever" presented him with a rich opportunity to cast roles
that demanded fearless and audacious performers. The greatest
challenge for Schumacher, of course, was to find the actor who would
don the cowl and cape as the immortal title character. When Michael
Keaton parted ways with the role, Schumacher knew the actor he wanted
to breathe new life into the Dark Knight: Val Kilmer, one of the most
dedicated and versatile young leading men in American cinema.
Schumacher was certain that Kilmer could manage a role whose demands
range from conveying the authority of a billionaire businessman to the
athleticism of a nighttime crime-fighter.
"First of all," says the director, "he's a great actor. He's extremely
handsome, and has an incredible bearing which can make you believe him
as Bruce Wayne. As Batman, Val is heroic and sexy. There's also a
tremendous amount of depth, sensitivity and mystery to Val . . . all
qualities tailor-made for the role."
Kilmer recalls his reaction to being offered the high-profile part:
"It was an extraordinary opportunity, but one that you could never
plan. The circumstances were all so strange anyway, since Batman is
such a substantial character and the two other films were so
successful, and Michael Keaton was so good. I never thought, 'They're
going to do a third Batman film, and I wonder if they're going to
recast it.' It was just a happy series of bizarre circumstances."
By the time he was ready to step into character, Kilmer recognized the
power of the role he was about to inherit. "There's obviously
something fascinating and of primal interest to audiences as far as
Batman is concerned," he says. "The Batman comics deal with the gray
areas in between good and evil. He's not always on steady ground with
the community. Batman's compulsion is to extract justice at night, but
he also has a real sense of irony, in a wonderful comedic style that
Bob Kane invented."
The gallery of characters surrounding and frequently opposing Batma
in the motion-picture series has been comprised of powerhouse roles
for equally commanding performers: "Batman" presented the Joker in the
imposing person of Jack Nicholson, and "Batman Returns" gave us
Michelle Pfeiffer as Catwoman and Danny DeVito as the Penguin. For
"Batman Forever," the decision was made early to continue delighting
Batman fans by featuring stellar interpretations of both time-honored
and original supporting characters. This third installment would
introduce filmgoers to two new arch-villains, Two-Face and the
Riddler; a new love interest, Dr. Chase Meridian; and a young man by
the name of Dick Grayson, who interjects himself into the
crime-fighting world of Batman and insists on standing by his side in
a new guise, Robin.
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Msg : 130 of 322
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .ÿò 09 .þí 95 20:58
To : DEMIAN KATZ
Subj : OPEN INVITATION
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> Well, I'm a major Doctor Who fan, and if you can find any Space Rangers
-> information (I know, strange request) I'd be interested in seeing it...
-> Thanks a lot for the previous, and hopefully future, information!
Hi there Demian! I'll look around for the Dr. Who and Space Rangers stuff.
Keep checking here!
Cheers,
Robert Lidgren
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Msg : 131 of 322
From : Greg Mcneil 1:228/500 .ÿò 09 .þí 95 22:49
To : Patrick Long
Subj : Re: Out to sea...
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-=> Patrick Long Commented to All about Out to sea... <=-
PL> Just for warning, I will be out of touch for about three weeks
PL> starting the 10th of this month. My wife should be pulling the mail
PL> down for me to catch any personals that may come in during this time
PL> period.
PL> Gotta love the Navy - after all, it's paid for the computer, at least.
PL> 8)
PL> ... Listen - can you hear it? [distant maniacal laughter]
Hey, just don't get lost trying to Find:
1. A B.T. Punch.
2. Batteries for sound powered phones.
3. Relative bearing grease. -yes, there is such a thing, but it has to be
speicaly ordered from supply.
4. Food for the captain's gold fish.
5. That Red, White, and Blue bouy, that has the ships mail in it.
Sea ya!
... Abolish the ATF.. Save a life neer you!
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Msg : 132 of 322
From : SEAN CASZATT 1:2601/512 .ÿò 09 .þí 95 22:56
To : ROBERT LIDGREN
Subj : ROSWELL INFO?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> By the way, did you see Kyle in the movie version of "Dune." It disa
-> many who read Frank Herbert's novelsÓQ@ but I thought it did grap muc
-> Dune's "essence." What I did think at that time was that Kyle had mu
-> promise. It turned out to be true. His aÞAgent Dale Cooper characte
-> winner."
I rented it a long time ago, when it was first released to video...but
I was really not into it. I was probably too young at the time to get
into it. I don't remember too much about it, other than I didn't "get
it."
I liked Kyle in THE HIDDEN though.
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Msg : 133 of 322
From : Frank Glover 1:2613/477 .ÿò 09 .þí 95 23:28
To : Frank Eva
Subj : Re: Merchandizing
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
FE> FG> Probably right...yet one toymaker marketed a series of action
FE> FG>figures from the movie `Alien' *years* after not only theatrical
FE> FG>release, but after it had made the rounds on cable and broadcast
FE> FG>TV...
FE>
FE> They may have known a "sequel" was in the works, and that it would
FE> help
FE> propel their sales, don't you think?
Maybe, but I had misspoken (mistyped?). The action figures were from
`Aliens,' plural. Not the first film. Specifically they were Ripley and the
Colonial Marines. Even down to the flamthrower. If they knew there'd be a third
movie (which 20th Cent. Fox neednt've bothered with, considering the results)
they wasted their time since Hicks and Bishop were the only surviving
Marines....
Frank
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Msg : 134 of 322
From : Frank Glover 1:2613/477 .ÿò 09 .þí 95 23:33
To : Mark Jonesep
Subj : Re: Sliders - Bathroom? Wash
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
MJ> Yeah! Like space-dock sized replicators powered by a ring of
MJ> matter-antimatter reactors. Build a starship, get it fully equipped,
MJ> fully provisioned, fully crewed. Slide it into the replicator dock
MJ> and scan it. File the data away.
MJ>
MJ> When the Borg come calling, send them a message:
MJ>
MJ> "Crunch all you want. We'll make more!"
MJ>
MJ> Turn out starships as fast as you can cycle them through the airlock!
Um, aren't there some ethical problems with replicating the *crews* too? At
the very least, there's the question of deciding who's killed in action, when
you can just bring out the file and recreate the ship and everyone on it...
Frank
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Msg : 135 of 322
From : Frank Glover 1:2613/477 .ÿò 09 .þí 95 23:41
To : Steven Wesen
Subj : Re: ST: VOYAGER SURVIVES
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
SW> The Idea of Holigramatic crew members or Holigramatic people was
SW> created by
SW> RED DWARF months before Star Trek the Next Generation even started
SW> filming thier first episode.
Well, then one could go back to that one-season wonder called `Automan' for
other solid holographic characters...
SW> I do not want knock Star Trek but there are other forms of Science
SW> Fiction they emulate.
SW> Steven (Merlyn)
Understood. But it's also possible that there's more than one interpretation
of a real technology (which holograms are, after all, though i've never been
comfortable with the notion of a *solid* one. If you can touch it, it's more
than simple holography, anyway....)
Frank
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Msg : 136 of 322
From : Frank Glover 1:2613/477 .ÿò 09 .þí 95 23:43
To : Crah
Subj : Re: ST-Generations
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Cr> Thanks! Strange that the rental places will have it before it's on
Cr> the shelf to
Cr> buy. Kinda supports pirating copies, doesn't it?
I agree. I thought it was kind of strange, too. Usually rental and retail are
simultaneous....
Frank
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Msg : 137 of 322
From : Tony Trujillo 1:280/9 .óá 10 .þí 95 00:43
To : Mark Jones
Subj : Re: Sliders Continuity
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: GE 1.11+
MJ> So far USA Network is the champ at this. They grabbed Airwolf when
Umm...this isn't exactly the best example to bring up! :^)
MJ> CBS gave it the axe and produced an (absolutely abysmal) extra season
MJ> before they started syndicating it. They also bought up Silk
MJ> Stalkings and have had great success with it. And just recently they
MJ> announced that they're taking on Forever Knight as well.
That;s interesting. I don't really watch much of the USA
network but they do have a habit of picking up shows (like
QUANTUM LEAP) that if I happen to catch while channel surfing
I'll stop and watch.
... "Oh bother!" said Pooh, as his Lugar misfired
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Msg : 138 of 322
From : Starwolf 1:163/214 .óá 10 .þí 95 02:49
To : Frank Glover
Subj : L.I.S.
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
FG> And in Lost in Space, they spent most of their time
FG>stuck on one planet. They seemed to know where they were,
FG>they just couldn't get off.
They got off on the first episode of the second season. Only to crash
on another planet in the third episode of that second season. They took
off again at the end of the second season and then would spend much of
their time wandering about. Given such amazing interchange as the
following between Major Don West (the pilot) and Alpha Control:
DW (passing 'over the sun') "We should see Earth by now, passing by
Uranus and Arcturus."
AC "You are now leaving the galaxy, heading for outser space."
With that kind of piloting and control, makes you wonder how they ever
got off the pad in the first place.
FG>On LIS, their planet seemed to be the
FG>center of the bad-alien universe. Everything seemed to
FG>come out of the blue to happen to *them.*
I could live with THAT. What bothered the heck out of me was how often
human explorers got to them. In one episode, Dr. Smith's COUSIN made it
to the planet, apparently backed by a crime gang back on Earth.
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Msg : 139 of 322
From : Gary Tincher 1:372/57 .óá 10 .þí 95 11:37
To : Earl Green
Subj : FOX FACTS
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-=> Quoting Earl Green to Gary Tincher <=-
GT>Any news on B5 or Kung Fu.?
EG> Nope, but they're not Fox shows. The station I work for is also a
EG> PTEN affiliate, but they've been real quiet lately. As soon as I
EG> have anything on those shows, I'll let everyone know. 8-]
Would appreciate that!
Gary
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Msg : 140 of 322
From : Earl Green 1:3822/1 .óá 10 .þí 95 17:36
To : Ecarey
Subj : FOX FACTS
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
EC>Earth 2 was an NBC show, not Fox. It seems perfectly reasonable to me that
EC>Fox would not be distributing information on the fate of a rival network's
EC>show, unless of course the information were that Fox was picking it up after
EC>NBC cancellation. There's been no hint that they might even be considering i
I included the info for the benefit of any wondering whether it was
being considered or not; believe me, I know what's on Fox, and what
ain't!
e <-- Earl Green (earl.green@f1.n3822.z1.fidonet.org) 1:3822/1
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Msg : 141 of 322
From : Jim Cushing 1:123/75 .óá 10 .þí 95 17:44
To : Dkimmel
Subj : Re: B5 RERUNS???
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
EC>Warner/PTEN had a brainstorm, and decided to HOLD those last four episodes
EC>until October, starting the "third season" four weeks early with the last fo
EC>episodes of season two, and thus getting a jump on some of the other shows -
EC>hopefully building the audience a bit right before the sweeps in November, b
EC>getting people in the habit of watching B5 while other things it's up agains
EC>are still in reruns.
EC>Many people, for reasons which are mysterious to me, regard this as a Bad
EC>Thing.
Dk> From a *fan's* point of view it is a Bad Thing for several reasons:
Dk> a.) The four shows will air this month in England, which means that
Dk> those of us getting B5 notes via the Internet may inadvertently pick
Dk> up spoilers.
By now you know that the four episodes will not air in the UK until after
they have been shown in the US
Dk> b.) The series is conceived in five seasons with each season
Dk> constructed in a particular way. It would be like a magazine editor
Dk> arbitrarily moving the last ten pages of part II of a serial to part
Dk> III. Thus the climactic season finale will immediately be followed by
Dk> the new season while the "de facto" season finale, while dramatic, was
Dk> not the note the second season was to end on.
They held back the last episode of the first season and that didn't hurt
the show. And they changed the leading actor!
Dk> c.) Because of syndication scheduling this will happen again NEXT
Dk> year. Why not simply start season three in October, so that it can END
Dk> at the conclusion of the May sweeps?
Look its PTEN's decision they pay the bills. To me it makes sense to have
a strong lead into the November sweepstates.
Dk> From a business point of view, moving four first run episodes from
Dk> July to October makes perfect sense because of increased viewership
Dk> and, hence, increased ad rates.
Bingo!
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Msg : 142 of 322
From : Jeff Kovach 1:114/318 .óá 10 .þí 95 18:57
To : Jack Butler
Subj : Crosspost
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On 05 Jun 95 14:10:38 Jack Butler wrote...
JB> You know you've been watching Highlander too much when you hear
JB> a song by The Who come on the radio, and you think it's too bad they
JB> can't record any new stuff since their lead singer got killed.
JB>
JB> Jack Butler
To which Jeff Kovach replies...
Who? Don't you mean Queen?
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Msg : 143 of 322
From : Patrick Thoms 1:229/510 .óá 10 .þí 95 21:52
To : Skip Shayotovich
Subj : WHAT'S IN A NAME?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
PT> Highlander: The Sorcerer
PT> I take it you didn't like it.
SS>"Hated it!"
PT>But then we like almost any move with Christopher Lambert in it.
SS>Don't get me wrong... I like Lambert, think he's a very good
>actor, and like many of the films he's in... but this movie was again
>not true to the Highlander Mythos.
Well, it was better than that strange HII... It was more like the 1st
and it at least cleared up a few unanswered questions from the first. It
was interesting to see the rookie cop from the first now is a detective
and still trying to put Conner in jail.
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Msg : 144 of 322
From : Chris Carter 1:105/302.23 .óá 10 .þí 95 09:11
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : Vorlon Immortality
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
CC> But when will the right context come up in which to post this
CC> stuff? Should I just start posting lost scenes from B5
JH> Well, you COULD... ;-) Or maybe make a freqable file?
I can't make the files freqable. I don't operate my own node, and
my uplink cannot be freqed from, since freqs shut his system down
(bug in the software).
I'll see what I can do about getting my hands on the other lost
scenes. I don't think there are really that many.
CC> But is the face referred to literal, (like the face of a
CC> corporeal being) or the Doctor speaking in a more figurative
CC> sense? I'm
JH> Hmmm... I dunno. But I tend to think that if it didn't have
JH> something that could be perceived as a face (aside from the
JH> alternate meaning of "a surface"), he might not have used that
JH> phrasing. Have you ever heard anyone say they "looked upon the
JH> face" of something that didn't have one?
But I think what's going on here, is the tendancy for humans to
apply human characteristics to things which aren't human, for
lingual convenience. Whether or not Kosh actually has a face isn't
necessarily relevant to the Doctor's statement, in that the Doctor
was relating an experience he may not have been able to accurately
describe. "Face" just happens to be an easy word to use when you
don't have a better word for the visage you're looking upon.
JH> I just kind of hope it's not a huge buildup to a colossal
JH> joke; such as Kosh really being James T. Kirk. ;-)
JH> But, JK says otherwise, so... What other type of being would
JH> give the same impression without being a God/Angel impression?
If Kosh says, "It's Morphin' time!" we're all in a great deal of
trouble. And you thought the Shadows were bad...
JH> I'm going to go WAYYYYYY out in left field here and
JH> say that whatever Kosh does look like, it'll probably raise
JH> more questions than it answers.
That's in left field??!? ;~) This is J. Michael Straczynski we're
talking about here.
Chris - carter@teleport.com
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Msg : 145 of 322
From : Lisa Stapp 1:106/2927 .óá 10 .þí 95 12:00
To : All
Subj : Apollo 13
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Last night, I got an early peek at Ron Howard's next offering. I have never
enjoyed a movie more! It isn't just a rip-snortin' adventure, it's grand! The
script, cast, effects, sound track, EVERYTHING pulled me in. I can't WAIT 'til
it opens for real!
If this movie doesn't revive a little interest in space, I am among people who
have been dead WAY too long!!!
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Msg : 146 of 322
From : Mark Jones 1:105/302.47 .óá 10 .þí 95 13:22
To : Frank Eva
Subj : Torres in Faces
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (08 Jun 95) Frank Eva wrote to Mark Jones...
MJ> *permanently* transformed into a mere human, her Klingon self
MJ> dead dead dead...that would have made it worthwhile. We could
MJ> have had many, many episodes worth of angst. She'd have had to
MJ> recreate her identity from ashes. How much of what she had been
MJ> was genetic, and how much environmental? How much of
FE>
FE> Ever since TNG, individual Trek characters have become less important
FE> than the whole. To put this much development into the Torres character
FE> would not be possible under this philosophy, IMO...
It doesn't have to be that way, though. In fact, one story idea I'd
like to see them address is a mass defection.
Suppose Voyager came upon a world that was highly advanced
technically, highly advanced ethically, people with warm, friendly,
caring aliens who greet them with smiles and invite them to stay.
And suppose half the crew decides they *want* to stay? After all, why
spend most of your life in a starship risking death by accident,
attack or simple failure of systems that aren't being maintained
properly (because they *can't* be) when you'll only get back home
after 70 years anyhow? Why not stay on a very pleasant, friendly
world and build a new life there?
How does Janeway and the command crew handle this? Do they lock
everyone in their quarters and warp out? Do they send the security
teams downto retrieve the AWOL crewmen? (CAN they do that? TNG gives
me the definite impression that Star Fleet officers, at least, and
possibly crewmen, can quit at the drop of a hat.)
(And no fair cheating your way out of the dilemma either, by making
the world "too good to be true" and painting it as a deliberate trap
or a horrible fate that only looked good at first glance...which is
the standard Trek response to such conflicts, thereby destroying the
conflict potential. This world really is all its cracked up to be.)
... If you're done speaking freely, please step into the oven....
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Msg : 147 of 322
From : Mark Jones 1:105/302.47 .óá 10 .þí 95 13:35
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : ST: The Next Generation
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (08 Jun 95) Jeff Hancock wrote to Mark Jones...
MJ> Since the doc is programmed (in his own words) with the full
MJ> history of Federation medicine, presumably he is aware of the
MJ> 20th century heart-lung machine...and could have had one
MJ> replicated (or built by the engineering staff).
JH>
JH> Here's something to think about: the lungs, of course, have
JH> millions of little blood vessels hooked up to them; so as soon as
JH> those lungs were removed that cavity would have filled up with
JH> blood. Why didn't he die from internal bleeding, "electronic
JH> lung" or no? And how did they seal those blood vessels up, create
JH> the holo-lung, and then connect them back up like that? ;-)
Well, since I think 24th century medicine should be vastly more
effective than it appears to be, I'm willing to let them slide on that
one. (But they're good questions nonetheless.)
MJ> Given the frequency with which Voyager is attacked or damaged
MJ> accidentally, and the power shortages...I don't think being
MJ> stored in RAM is particularly safe.
JH>
JH> True, true. But any less safe than using the holo-generators to make a
JH> lung?
Yes--if Neelix's holo-lungs fail, he still has about 4 minutes
(assuming he's relatively human in that regard) before irreparable
brain damage due to lack of oxygen begins to occur. That's time
enough to at least *try* to recreate the holo-lungs (assuming a
momentary power failure) or to put him in suspended animation, or
something equally desperate.
But if he's nothing more than a transporter pattern cycling endlessly
through the buffer, if the power fails...he's gone forever, like a
dropped QWK packet when somebody disconnects your modem!
JH> MJ>If they just cut to the chase and backed him up on disk, that'd be
JH> MJ>something else again.
JH>
JH> I don't think they have an equivalent that holds that much information
JH> in a non-volitile form.
Which strikes me as a silly double-talk dodge to avoid doing just
that. If real-world computers are any indication of how Trek
computers operate, non-volatile storage will *vastly* exceed the RAM
available to them. Besides, they can always use a compression scheme
on the transporter trace. They can .ARC or .ARJ Neelix until they're
ready to recreate him....
... Assassinate IRA KGB cryptographers stealing Zimmerman's cocaine!
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Msg : 148 of 322
From : Mark Jones 1:105/302.47 .óá 10 .þí 95 13:48
To : Ecarey
Subj : EARTH 2/SO LONG
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (08 Jun 95) Ecarey wrote to Robert Lidgren...
E > Malls need bookstores, but little mall bookstores with limited
E > selections are no longer where money is made in bookselling. The big
E > money is all in the big stores with lots of selection. This is as true
E > of independents as it is of the chains. The independents need to
E > either have great depth in a specialty area [sf&f, women's,
E > gay&lesbian, African-American, children's, etc.] or they need to have
E > the same breadth and the same browse-all-you-want want atmospher as
E > the chain superstores in order to compete.
Which is why I'm very glad to be living in Portland, Oregon. We have
POWELL'S CITY OF BOOKS here. The *main* bookstore is a three-story
building covering an entire city block. Then there's POWELL'S
TECHNICAL BOOK STORE, a couple of blocks away, a smaller (but still
quite large) bookstore devoted to technical tomes. And there are, I
understand though I haven't visited them, still other satellite
stores.
And the new and used books are shelved together, so you can look for
*all* the books in a series in one fell swoop when/if you discover a
new author you enjoy.
... Western Civilization died today, after a long illness....
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Msg : 149 of 322
From : Steven Skaggs 1:3608/250 .óá 10 .þí 95 22:47
To : Dwight T. Fidler
Subj : Re: Star Wars
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 94-2198
-=> Quoting Dwight T. Fidler to Steven Skaggs <=-
SS> When did Lucas give a specific date on when the new movies would
SS> definately be out? I've heard dates before too but usually from other
SS> sources...
DTF> Has He Come Out And Said That There Will For Sure Be More Movies??
DTF> i've Heard Lotsa Rumours... The Last being That it All Fell
DTF> Through!
Yes he has. There was a short interview with him in TV guide several months
ago. I forget what month and week exactly. It had a picture of the Voyager
captain on the front of it. He said that the first of the new Star Wars
movies will be out before the year 2000.
... "The monster gives you a nasty owie!" -- Anonymous DM
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Msg : 150 of 322
From : Steven Skaggs 1:3608/250 .óá 10 .þí 95 22:52
To : Dwight T. Fidler
Subj : Re: Star Wars
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 94-2198
-=> Quoting Dwight T. Fidler to Steven Skaggs <=-
DTF> Hopefully Before None Of The Youth Recognize Star Wars.
DTF> it Was Disheartening When i Heard A Bunch of Yun-Uns Going
DTF> Around Saying.... What Is Star wars... Darth Who?
DTF> Skywalker... What A Stupid Name. Boring...
DTF> Oh It Lowered My Soul To Hear That!
That is pretty sad. Star Wars is still pretty prominant though. There are
the books, the commercials (Micro Machines and Energizer Bunny) and the
movies are shown now and then on both the sci-fi channels and USA. And there
are even quite a few new toys out.
DTF> What About TIMOTHY ZAHN's??? What'd Everyone think Of Them?
I think that Timothy Zahn's books are the best to come out so far.
SS> I think all licenses for the books and all other Star Wars related
SS> material expire in '96 or '97. Another indication that he has plans.
DTF>
DTF> Really.... What Will That Mean?
Probably that Lucas has other plans for Star Wars.
DTF> Sorry to Jump In.... And Sorry To Be A Little Ignorant!
DTF> I Do Love Star Wars Though...
Doesn't everybody?
... We secretly replaced their Protoculture with New Foldgers Crystals...
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Msg : 151 of 322
From : Tony Trujillo 1:280/9 .cê 11 .þí 95 05:44
To : Starwolf
Subj : Re: Sliders Continuity
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: GE 1.11+
S> Well, they'd better get on with it, then (production and making their
S> minds up to continue the series). It isn't "great", but it's a whole
S> lot better than quite a bit of the drivel out there.
I really like the show because it doesn't take itself too
seriously...which is a quality that's been lacking in SF
series for awhile.
S> Er, you wouldn't happen to have FOX' mailing address or FAX number?
I pulled this from the SLIDERS FAQ:
>=====================================================================
Fox Broadcasting has not yet decided whether or not to renew
SLIDERS for a second season. If you would like to see more
episodes, please write a *polite* letter expressing your opinion
to:
Mr. John Matoyan
Fox Broadcasting Company
10201 W. Pico Blvd
Los Angeles, CA 90035
In this age of laser written mass mailings, a single hand-written
letter to Mr. Matoyan may have as much impact as ten laser printed
letters or a hundred e-mail messages to sliders@dephi.com.
This name and address has been confirmed by Robert K. Weiss, the
co-creator of SLIDERS so I know it's accurate.
>=====================================================================
... Don't blame me! I voted for BILL + OPUS!
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Msg : 152 of 322
From : Kay Shapero 1:102/524 .cê 11 .þí 95 08:40
To : Frank Eva
Subj : Babylon 5 (PTEN)
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On , Frank Eva (1:154/750) wrote to Kay Shapero:
KS>Do you mean you somehow got hold of JMS' files, or just that you
KS>figure you've deduced the lot by this point in the story? Like the
FE>Oh come on Kay, do you mean to tell me you don't recognize the
FE>ongoing storyline revolving around the "shadows" as perhaps the most
FE>important facet to the story arc revealed so far?
Oh quite likely, but many an apparent insignificant fact may turn out later to
be related TO that storyline. What effect are all of those "stims" going to
have on Franklin in the crunch? What exactly has been lost with the Marcab that
may turn out to be of vital importance later? I'd say the repercussions from
Londo's fight with his best friend in "Knives" are apt to keep turning up - I
don't think there's any question that Centauri politics IS related to that main
storyline.
What you're saying is that given the apparent direction of the story you *think*
certain things are not important to the story and others are.
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Msg : 153 of 322
From : Michael Lynn 1:393/7 .cê 11 .þí 95 11:06
To : Frank Eva
Subj : Re: B5 TAPES?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
I have heard the ones released in the UK were very poor quality and that
the US release will be of much better and worth the wait. I would love to see
it released on Laser Disc first. As far as I know only the pilot and a few
other select episodes are out, I know that the 2 parter Voice in the Wilderness
is included in the list of those recieved.
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Msg : 154 of 322
From : Rumble 1:163/436 .cê 11 .þí 95 15:11
To : Frank Eva
Subj : I saw the missing Earth 2
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
I saw it in partiall sindication. Would you like to but a copy from me?
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Msg : 155 of 322
From : Allison Urschel 1:123/75 .cê 11 .þí 95 16:24
To : Chris Carter
Subj : X-Files
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Hey, out of curiousity, are you the creator of the X-Files? I was just
wondering because the guy who came up with it is named Chris Carter, too.
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Msg : 156 of 322
From : Frank Glover 1:2613/477 .cê 11 .þí 95 20:09
To : Starwolf
Subj : Re: L.I.S.
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
St> their time wandering about. Given such amazing interchange as the
St> following between Major Don West (the pilot) and Alpha Control:
St>
St> DW (passing 'over the sun') "We should see Earth by now, passing by
St> Uranus and Arcturus."
St>
St> AC "You are now leaving the galaxy, heading for outser space."
St>
St> With that kind of piloting and control, makes you wonder how they
St> ever
St> got off the pad in the first place.
Another exchange that stands out in my mind to this day had Don West
and Judy Robinson out on the planet's surface, when a thunderclap-like sound
comes out of a clear sky:
Judy: (looking up)"What was that? An Eclipse?"
Don: (following her gaze) "No, it was too close for an eclipse."
I wanted to tear my hair out....
Frank
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Msg : 157 of 322
From : Frank Glover 1:2613/477 .cê 11 .þí 95 20:47
To : Patrick Long
Subj : Re: Star Trek
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
PL> JS-=>Hmmmm, now that I think of it, there COULD be two Ferengi
PL> "scientists"
PL> -=>in a future episode of Voyager. They were stranded in the Delta
PL> -=>Quadrant in a TNG episode from a few years back (3rd season
PL> episode,
PL> -=>"The Price").
PL>
PL> Now that's an interesting thought...
PL>
PL> I wonder how much trouble those Ferengi have caused? 8)
Assuming they even made it to an inhabited world. If I remember right, the
ships they used didn't have much range. They expected to return shortly via the
same wormhole.
Frank
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Msg : 158 of 322
From : Tom Robinson 1:244/211 .ÿò 09 .þí 95 14:31
To : Mark Jones
Subj : Re: EARTH 2/SO LONG
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
*In a message dated 04 Jun 95 03:32:24 Mark Jones writes:
> On (02 Jun 95) Tom Robinson wrote to Robert Lidgren...
> TR> I remember tuning out the "who's the leader" thread months ago
> TR> after they tried to leave Julia behind. What a crock that was.
>
> It was actually the first intelligent thing they'd ever done since
> they landed on that stupid planet. Naturally, they changed what
> passes for their minds in the next episode.
>
Upon re-reading, I noticed that the crock appears to be ascribed to
the plot twist. I meant it to relate to the discussion following the
plot twist (Heller being ousted).
Tom
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Msg : 159 of 322
From : Dkimmel 1:101/230 .óá 10 .þí 95 12:04
To : Richard Yamagata
Subj : B5 TALK
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
RY>* In a message originally to John Kahane, Ecarey said:
RY>EE> >E> Yes, I know what their name is: Prime Time Entertainment Network.
RY>EE> >E> But you'll notice, their shows also aren't usually on in prime
RY>EE> >E> time.:)
RY>PTEN "demands" that its programming be shown in the prime time slot on
RY>Wednesday. My local station use to do this. It seems that all the stations
RY>are now ignoring this "demand." They seem to take the position, "well what
RY>they going to do if we don't do as they say?" It is obvious that PTEN endin
RY>the feed and disolving the contract has no weight with the TV stations. PTE
RY>with this, keeping the B5 viewers in suspense as to whether the show has bee
RY>renewed or not, has shown that it needs all the "affiliates" it can get. Al
RY>with the red ink at Warner over the WB Network, I think that they are in no
RY>position to turn away any money.
When PTEN started it was a "pseudo-network" allowing independent
stations to pretend they had prime time network offerings one or two
nights a week. What's happened is two "real" networks got launched
(UPN, WB) and gobbled up most of the remaining indies. The PTEN station
in Boston is OWNED by UPN, and bumped B5 to Sunday at 8 p.m. and Fridays
at midnight. They even dumped the last first run episode (until
October) when a Red Sox game ran over a couple of Sundays ago.
Fortunately I managed to tape the Friday repeat.
* SLMR 2.1a * May you live in interesting times.
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Msg : 160 of 322
From : Dkimmel 1:101/230 .óá 10 .þí 95 12:05
To : Frank Eva
Subj : B5 TALK
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
FE>RY>Lastly, after this, I think that the Janet Greek season finale
FE>RY>written by JMS is going to be something that is going to knock
FE>RY>everyone's socks off and have the VCR playing over and over.
FE>Except that we may not see the season's finale until NEXT season! I
FE>simply don't understand how they can postpone the last 4 eps until next
FE>season. This is a major disappointment to me. I have sent e-mail to JMS
FE>asking him to confirm this rumor...
They will run in October and the decision was made by PTEN, not JMS. I
understand the business reasons behind this but it wreaks havoc on the
narrative. I hope they can schedule this better next season so the
season finale actually runs in the spring.
* SLMR 2.1a * Gamera is really neat. He is full of turtle meat.
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Msg : 161 of 322
From : Pamela Crossett 1:325/118 .óá 10 .þí 95 18:54
To : Tammy Blandino
Subj : spoilers
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
tb> "While skinny dipping Pamela Crossett was talking to Mark Jones."
tb> "Could you people PLEASE put spoiler alerts in your messages! DAMMIT!"
Tammy,
i'm sorry, but what is a spoiler alert? i will certainly put one in my future
messages if you could clarify what it is. AND what it is for.
thanks.
and sorry for my ignorance.
pam
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Msg : 162 of 322
From : Pamela Crossett 1:325/118 .óá 10 .þí 95 18:57
To : Gloria Darcy
Subj : HighLander, The Series
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
gd> "really look forward to next year. How about you?"
gloria,
yes, me too! although after reading mark jones' post i'm not so sure we weren't
left hanging - but i am glad to hear that you, like me, felt that that was true.
with all the hints that jack has been dropping, i'm wondering who the "regular"
characters are that "won't be back????"
am really glad amanda survived kallas though. i LIKE her!
seeYA,
pam
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Msg : 163 of 322
From : Ecarey 1:101/230 .óá 10 .þí 95 20:35
To : Richard Yamagata
Subj : B5 RERUNS???
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
RY>The executives at PTEN decided that airing the last 4 episodes of Babylon 5
RY>during the "summer" was a waste of good, first run material. These episodes
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
RY>are not going to be run in the US until October, right before the start of t
RY>1995-6 season. It makes no sense to me. My list for Sacramento is:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Seems like simple logic to me. They don't want to waste the episodes at
a time when viewership, and therefore \ad revenues\, are way down.
RY>If you have friends in the UK, they will get to see these episodes in late
RY>July. I read somewhere that they got pushed back by the Tour de France,
RY>otherwise the plan was to televise them over there, earlier.
It's being said on the Internet now that the UK won't see them til
October, either.
RY>To be more clear on the wording of the PTEN decision, the number crunchers s
RY>that viewership drops during the Summer as people do other things -- than wa
RY>Television. It seems that they do not know about VCRs. If I stick a 8
RY>hour tape in my VCR, I could be gone for 2 months and still capture all the
RY>episodes with the commercials -- barring a power failure. Ry
Not everyone has a VCR, not everyone that has a VCR knows how to program
it, and the advertisers pay for \live\ viewers because it's too easy for
someone watching a tape to fast-forward through the commercials. PTEN
and the stations would lose money by showing the episodes in July rather
than in October.
* OLX 2.1 TD * If this were an actual tagline, it would be funny.
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Msg : 164 of 322
From : Ecarey 1:101/230 .óá 10 .þí 95 20:35
To : Tom Huber
Subj : ENEMY MINE
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
TH>E>Oh, definitely, you NEED to read the original.
TH> > > as far into the future as Enemy Mine did their ending...
TH>E>It certainly wasn't a \bad\ ending, IF you don't know what Longyear did in
TH>Yes, and I didn't read (and still haven't read) the original...
TH>EC>the original. Compared to the original, it's a cowardly ending
EC>tacked on b TH> >people who assumed the real ending would upset the
EC>audience and scare 'em TH> >off.
TH>I've definitely got to chase down the original. Who's the author?
Barry Longyear.
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Msg : 165 of 322
From : Ecarey 1:101/230 .óá 10 .þí 95 20:35
To : Tom Huber
Subj : EARTH 2/SO LONG
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
TH> > > There were some technical inconsistencies that bothered me,
TH> > > especially
TH> > > the concept that the isolated colony wasn't all that isolated and
TH> > > that
TH> > > "big brother" could move in any time and take over...
TH>E>That's because, even though they didn't know it when they arrived, Big
TH> >Brother was \already there\, and had his own plans inconsistent with their
TH>E>It wasn't, in fact, a "technical inconsistency".
TH>Hm. I had problems with the idea that it was such a "big" undertaking on
TH>the part of the colonists, yet BB was there and they knew nothing of it.
TH>If I were whats-her-face (the leader), I would have been chewing and
TH>spitting nails had I realized what was happening. In fact, I would have
TH>done anything to totally destroy BB's presence on the colony world. Now
TH>that would have made for some good writing and shows.
It was a huge undertaking by the colonists in part because it was
\private\ expedition. They didn't have the government's resources, but
the \government\ DID have the government resources.
As for Devon making destroying BB's presence on the planet her first
priority - HOW? They were stranded with most of the supplies and
equipment the advance party was SUPPOSED to have lost or destroyed, and
they were a few thousand miles from where they needed to be when the
main colony ship arrived.
FIRST priority \had\ to be survival.
SECOND priority was reaching the intended landing site so that when the
rest of the colonists arrive, there's a base for them - and Devon and
Co. finally have some equipment & supplies.
Getting rid of BB would be nice project for sometime AFTER that, when
they have some \means\ for getting at BB.
* OLX 2.1 TD * It's only a hobby ... only a hobby ... only a
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Msg : 166 of 322
From : Dexter Fernandez 1:203/1701 .óá 10 .þí 95 20:49
To : Tony Trujillo
Subj : Re: Sliders Continuity
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
"So, Trujillo, we meet for the first time for the last time!"
TT> Speaking of SLIDERS, did it ever have time to spawn a few
TT> FILK songs? I always thought the song THE MIGHTY QUINN would
TT> have made a fairly obvious choice...
I was working on one based on "Mrs. Robinson" by Simon and Garfunkel...
Goes something like...
"Where are we now, Mr. Mallory?
This tidal wave's about to make our day!
Hey hey hey!"
Let you know when it's done...
TT> BTW: Is there a mailing address I can send something to?
For filks? Get connected to Kay's Filk echo, or my Trek_Humor_Filk Echo...
Curzon Dex
EchoSliderVolehunter
Moderator, Terok Nor Echo
... All I did was tell Kira what do go do with herself. And she did.
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Msg : 167 of 322
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .cê 11 .þí 95 05:18
To : All
Subj : Highlander Card Game
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Well, I have some new information. When last I commented on the
upcoming Highlander card game, the official word was that it was going to
be released in September. It has *now* been pushed back all the way to
March of 96.
I'm beginning to thing that this game is a mirage...
Jack Butler
... "I didn't know you could play.." -- Joe "I don't." -- Duncan
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Msg : 168 of 322
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .cê 11 .þí 95 07:25
To : All
Subj : Highlander Novels
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Okay, here's the scoop. The first Highlander novel, "The Element of
Fire" by Jay Henders, will be out around October. The second novel,
"Scimitar" by Ashley McConnell, will be released after that.
Jack Butler
... "There can be only one." -- Xavier St. Cloud
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Msg : 169 of 322
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .cê 11 .þí 95 07:31
To : Gloria Darcy
Subj : Crosspost
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Quoth Gloria Darcy, "Nevermore".
GD> Regarding listening to The Who and thinking their lead singer got
GD> killed. I didn't know about this. Please enlighten me as to the
GD> situation? Is it to do with Queen?
Heh. Roger Daltrey is very much alive. However, the character he
in several two episodes of Highlander (Hugh FitzCairn) was killed by
Kallas.
Jack Butler
... "You better start learning the game, and I mean now!" -- MacLeod
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Msg : 170 of 322
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .cê 11 .þí 95 07:32
To : John Kahane
Subj : Confessions et. al.
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Quoth John Kahane, "Nevermore".
JK> Thanks, muchly. Just do me a favour, please, and give me a
JK> gentle reminder about this in a month or so. Not that I'm likely to
JK> forget, with the post-it on the computer, but you never know...
Wilco.
Jack Butler
... "Bibbity... bobbity..." -- S. Strange, M.D.
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Msg : 171 of 322
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .cê 11 .þí 95 12:55
To : DEMIAN KATZ
Subj : Dr. Who Guide
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Here is the Dr. Who Episode guide you requested. It's for season 18 but ALL
SEASONS
are asvailable.
SEASON EIGHTEEN
_________________________________________________________________
Main Personnel
* Doctor Who: Tom Baker
* Romanadvoratrelundar (Romana): Lalla Ward
* Voice of K-9: John Leeson
* Producer: John Nathan-Turner
* Executive Producer: Barry Letts
* Script Editor: Christopher H Bidmead
_________________________________________________________________
109 5N - THE LEISURE HIVE
* Writer: David Fisher
* Director: Lovett Bickford
* Designer: Tom Yardley-Jones
* Incidental Music: Peter Howell
526. Part One 30.08.80 6.15pm - 6.40pm 5.9M/77th
527. Part Two 06.09.80 6.20pm - 6.40pm 5.0M/103rd
528. Part Three 13.09.80 5.55pm - 6.20pm 5.0M/111th
529. Part Four 20.09.80 6.15pm - 6.40pm 4.5M/111th/65%
* MENA Adrienne Corri
* PANGOL David Haig
* HARDIN Nigel Lambert
* BROCK John Collins
* VARGOS Martin Fisk
* GUIDE Roy Montague
* KLOUT Ian Talbot
* TANNOY VOICE Harriet Reynolds (1,2,4 - uncredited for 2)
* MORIX Laurence Payne (1)
* GENERATOR VOICE Clifford Norgate (2-3)
* STIMSON David Allister (1)
* FOAMASI Andrew Lane (3-4)
* UNCREDITED: BITS OF THE DOCTOR (all 1-2) Derek Chafer, David
Rolfe, Roy Seeley
* LOMAN Fred Redford
* FOAMASI (all 3-4) David Bulbeck, David Korff, James Muir
* BABY PANGOL Alys Dyer (4)
* ARGOLIN GUIDES AND ATTENDANTS Maurice Connor, Julia Gaye, Annette
Peters, Mary Rennie, Mike Reynell, Jenny Roberts, Ken Sedd,
Douglas Star, Derek Suthern
* VISITORS/EXPERIMENT ASSISTANTS Hi Chang, Ina Claire, Inga Daly,
Sarah Gardner, Peter Graham, Emmanuel Josiah, Pauline Lewis,
Ranjit Nakara, Patti Patience, Ansley Pollard, John Salpeas,
Maureen Stevens, Ling Tai, Anna Van Karina, Willow Wipp, Huntley
Young
* TACHYON IMAGES OF LOMAN AND PANGOL/SQUASH PLAYERS/EXPERIMENT
ASSISTANTS Norman Bradley, Eileen Brady, Martin Clark, Graham
Cole, Michael Horner, Nick Joseph, Brian Massey, Tim Olroyd, Joe
Phillips, Douglas Roe, Reg Woods
* ARGLIN/PANGOL IMAGES Douglas Auchterlonie, Derek Chafer, David
Cole, Bruce Guest, Eric Hamilton, Mike Handley, Ridgewell Hawkes,
Bobby Jones, Ray Knight, Ray Lavender, Michael Leader, Mark
Middler, Mike Mungarvan, Stuart Myers, Kevin O'Brien, Tim Olroyd,
Harry Payne, Douglas Roe, David Rolfe, Roy Seeley, Harry Van
Engel, Jeff Wayne, Leslie Weekes, Geoffrey Whitestone, Reg Woods.
WORKING TITLE: The Argolin
NOTES: This story introduces a new title sequence (the sixth one used
for ths show), designed by Sid Sutton, and the first drastically
different arrangement of the theme tune, by Peter Howell. John Leeson
only provides his K-9 voice for Part One.
NOVELISATION: "Doctor Who and the Leisure Hive" by David Fishe
(1982/Number 39)
_________________________________________________________________
110 5Q - MEGLOS
* Writers: John Flanagan and Andrew McCulloch
* Director: Terence Dudley
* Designer: Philip Lindley
* Incidental Music: Paddy Kingsland (1) and Peter Howell (2-4)
530. Part One 27.09.80 6.15pm - 6.40pm 5.0M/105th/61%
531. Part Two 04.10.80 6.15pm - 6.40pm 4.2M/139th/64%
532. Part Three 11.10.80 5.45pm - 6.05pm 4.7M/129th
533. Part Four 18.10.80 5.40pm - 6.05pm 4.7M/127th/63rd
* GENERAL GRUGGER Bill Fraser
* LT BROTADAC Frederick Treves
* ZASTOR Edward Underdown
* LEXA Jacqueline Hill
* CARIS Colette Gleeson
* DEEDRIX Crawford Logan
* EARTHLING Christopher Owen
* TIGELLAN GUARD Simon Shaw
* UNCREDITED: MEGLOS Tom Baker, Christopher Owen
* GAZTACS Tony Allef, Bruce Callender, Hi Ching, John Holland, James
Muir, Ranjit Nakara
* TIGELLANS Michael Gordon Browne, Harry Fielder, Pater Gates
Fleming, Laurie Goode, Geoff Whitestone
* CEREMONIAL GUARDS Michael Brydon (4), David Cleeve (4)
* SAVANTS (all 2) Howard Barnes, David Cole, Stephen Kane, John
Laing
* LEXA'S DEONS (all 1,3,4) Terence Creasey, Ray Knight, Chris Marks,
Eddie Sommer
* DEON ELDERS (all 1,3,4) Lewis Hooper, Sylvia Mariott, Stephen
Nagy.
WORKING TITLES: The Golden Pentangle, The Last Zolpha-Thuran
NOTES: This story is notable for the appearance of Jacqueline Hill,
some seventeen years after she played Barbara Wright.
NOVELISATION: Terrance Dicks (1983/Number 75)
_________________________________________________________________
PERSONNEL CHANGES
Adric: Matthew Waterhouse
_________________________________________________________________
111 5R - FULL CIRCLE
* Writer: Andrew Smith
* Director: Peter Grimwade
* Designer: Janet Budden
* Incidental Music: Paddy Kingsland
534. Part One 25.10.80 5.40pm - 6.05pm 5.9M/106th
535. Part Two 01.11.80 5.40pm - 6.05pm 3.7M/170th
536. Part Three 08.11.80 5.40pm - 6.05pm 5.9M/115th
537. Part Four 15.11.80 5.40pm - 6.05pm 5.5M/127th/65%
REPEAT DETAILS
Part One Mon 03.08.81 6.30pm - 6.55pm 4.9M/85th
Part Two Tue 04.08.81 6.20pm - 6.45pm 4.2M/101st
Part Three Wed 05.08.81 6.20pm - 6.45pm 4.6M/92nd
Part Four Thu 06.08.81 6.20pm - 6.45pm 6,4M/60th
* DECIDER LOGIN George Baker
* DECIDER NEFRED James Bree
* DECIDER GARIF Alan Rowe
* VARSH Richard Willis
* KEARA June Page
* TYLOS Benard Padden
* DEXETER Tony Calvin (1-3)
* OMRIL Andrew Forbes (1-3)
* DECIDER DRAITH Leonard Maguire (1)
* RYSIK Adrian Gibbs (1)
* MARSHMAN Barney Lawrence (uncredited for 1)
* MARSHCHILD Norman Bacon (2-3)
* UNCREDITED: MARSHMEN Stephen Calcutt, Graham Cole, Keith Guest,
James Jackson, Steve Kelly, Stephen Watson
* OUTLERS Nick Staverson (1), Terry John Wood (1).
WORKING TITLE: The Planet That Slept
NOTES: John Leeson's K-9 voice is not heard in Part Three. This was
the first story in the E-Space Trilogy. Tom Baker announced his
departure from the show on the same day as Part One was transmitted.
NOVELISATION: Andrew Smith (1982/Number 26)
_________________________________________________________________
112 5P - STATE OF DECAY
* Writer: Terrance Dicks
* Director: Peter Moffat
* Designer: Christine Ruscoe
* Incidental Music: Paddy Kingsland
* Fight Arranger: Stuart Fell (4)
538. Part One 22.11.80 5.40pm - 6.05pm 5.8M/119th
539. Part Two 29.11.80 5.40pm - 6.05pm 5.3M/136th
540. Part Three 06.12.80 5.40pm - 6.05pm 4.4M/145th
541. Part Four 13.12.80 5.40pm - 6.05pm 5.4M/125th/69%
* AUKON (SCIENCE OFFICER ANTHONY O'CONNOR) Emrys James
* CAMILLA (NAVIGATION OFFICER LAUREN MACMILLAN) Rachel Davies
* ZARGO (CAPTAIN MILES SHARKEY) William Lindsay
* IVO Clinton Greyn
* TARAK Thane Bettany
* VEROS Stacy Davies
* HABRIS Iain Rattray (1,2,4)
* KALMAR Arthur Hewlett (1,2,4)
* MARTA Rhoda Lewis (1-2)
* KARL Dean Allen (1)
* ROGA Stuart Fell (3)
* ZOLDAZ Stuart Blake (3)
* UNCREDITED: GUARD Alan Chuntz.
WORKING TITLES: The Wasting, The Witch Lords, The Vampire Mutations
NOTES: John Leeson does not provide his K-9 voice for Part Two
NOVELISATION: "Doctor Who and the State of Decay" by Terrance Dicks
(1981-2/Number 58)
_________________________________________________________________
113 5S - WARRIORS' GATE
* Writer: Steve Gallagher
* Director: Paul Joyce
* Designer: Graeme Story
* Incidental Music: Peter Howell
542. Part One 03.01.81 5.20pm - 5.45pm 7.1M/88th/59%
543. Part Two 10.01.81 5.10pm - 5.35pm 6.7M/93rd
544. Part Three 17.01.81 5.10pm - 5.35pm 8.3M/59th
545. Part Four 24.01.81 5.10pm - 5.35pm 7.8M/69th/59%
* CAPTAIN RORVIK Clifford Rose
* PACKARD Kenneth Cope
* LANE David Kincaid
* ALDO Freddie Earlle
* ROYCE Harry Waters
* SAGAN Vincent Pickering
* BIROC David Weston (1,3,4)
* GUNDAN Robert Vowles (1-2)
* LAZLO Jeremy Gittins (2-4).
* UNCREDITED: SECOND GUNDAN Pat Gorman
* THARILS (all 3) Pat Gorman, Mike Mungarvan, Erika Spotswood.
WORKING TITLE: Dream Time
NOTES: Romana and K-9 leave at the end of this story. This was the
first story to have Ceefax subtitles.
NOVELISATION: "Doctor Who and the Warriors' Gate" by John Lydecker
(alias Steve Gallagher) (1982/Number 71).
_________________________________________________________________
PERSONNEL CHANGES
Nyssa: Sarah Sutton
_________________________________________________________________
114 5T - THE KEEPER OF TRAKEN
* Writer: Johnny Byrne
* Director: John Black
* Designer: Tony Burrough
* Incidental Music: Roger Limb
546. Part One 31.01.81 5.10pm - 5.35pm 7.6M/72nd
547. Part Two 07.02.81 5.10pm - 5.35pm 6.1M/106th
548. Part Three 14.02.81 5.10pm - 5.35pm 5.2M/112th
549. Part Four 21.02.81 5.10pm - 5.35pm 6.1M/103rd/63%
REPEAT DETAILS
Part One Mon 10.08.81 6.30pm - 6.55pm 5.2M/71st
Part Two Tue 11.08.81 6.20pm - 6.45pm 4.4M/93rd
Part Three Wed 12.08.81 6.20pm - 6.45pm 5.2M/71st
Part Four Thu 13.08.81 6.20pm - 6.45pm 5.0M/74th
* TREMAS Anthony Ainley
* KASSIA Sheila Ruskin
* KATURA Margot van der Burgh
* LUVIC Robin Soans
* PROCTOR NEMAN Roland Oliver
* MELKUR/THE MASTER Geoffrey Beevers (credited as Melkur)
* THE KEEPER Denis Carey (1-2)
* SERON John Woodnutt (1-2)
* FOSTERS Liam Prendergast (3), Philip Bloomfield (4)
* UNCREDITED: FOSTER EXTRAS Maurice Connor, Michael Gordon-Browne,
Pat Gorman, Donald Groves, Pat Judge, Barney Lawrence, Mark
Midler, Jim Morriss, Ralph Morse, Stuart Myers, Fred Redford, Doug
Roe, Tony Snell, Barry Summerford, Colin Thomas
* THE MASTER Anthony Ainley (4).
NOTES: This story saw the surprise return of the Master, starting a
trilogy of linked stories to reintroduce the character.
NOVELISATION: "Doctor Who and the Keeper of Traken" by Terrance Dicks
(1982/Number 37)
_________________________________________________________________
PERSONNEL CHANGES
Tegan Jovanka: Janet Fielding
_________________________________________________________________
115 5V - LOGOPOLIS
* Writer: Christopher H Bidmead
* Director: Peter Grimwade
* Designer: Malcolm Thornton
* Incidental Music: Paddy Kingsland
550. Part One 28.02.81 5.10pm - 5.35pm 7.1M/84th
551. Part Two 07.03.81 5.10pm - 5.35pm 7.7M/57th/61%
552. Part Three 14.03.81 5.10pm - 5.35pm 5.8M/102nd
553. Part Four 21.03.81 5.10pm - 5.35pm 6.1M/97th/65%
REPEAT DETAILS (as part of the BBC2 "Five Faces of Doctor Who" season -
positions just for that channel)
Part One Mon 30.11.81 5.40pm - 6.05pm 5.5M/11th
Part Two Tue 01.12.81 5.40pm - 6.00pm 5.0M/15th
Part Three Wed 02.12.81 5.40pm - 6.05pm 6.0M/7th
Part Four Thu 03.12.81 5.40pm - 6.05pm 5.4M/12th
* THE MASTER Anthony Ainley
* DETECTIVE INSPECTOR Tom Georgeson (1-2)
* AUNT VANESSA Dolore Whiteman (1)
* THE MONITOR John Fraser (2-4)
* SECURITY GUARD Christopher Hurst (4)
* DOCTOR WHO Peter Davison (4)
* UNCREDITED: THE WATCHER Adrian Gibbs
* POLICEMEN (all 1-2) Ray Knight, Peter Roy, Derek Suthern
* LOGOPOLITANS George Ballantine, Douglas Bather, Jim Delaney, Billy
Gray, Jimmy Mac, Brynchan Powell, Terry Randle, Evan Ross, Roy
Seeley, Charles Stewart, Colin Thomas, John Tucker, Walter Turner,
Peter Whitaker, Bill Whitehead
* PHAROS TECHNICIAN Robin Squire (4).
NOTES: Sarah Sutton does not appear in Part One. This story sees the
departure of Tom Baker and Barry Letts. The story features the first
extensive flashback sequence (in Part Four). The clips are: The Master
(The Deadly Assassin 1), a Dalek (Destiny of the Daleks 4), The Pirate
Captain (The Pirate Planet 2), the Cyberleader (Revenge of the
Cybermen 3), Davros (Genesis of the Daleks 5), a Sontaran (The
Invasion of Time 5), a Zygon (Terror of the Zygons 3), the Black
Guardian (The Armageddon Factor 6), Sarah (Terror of the Zygons 2),
Harry (The Sontaran Experiment 2), the Brigadier (Invasion of the
Dinosaurs 2), Leela (Robots of Death 1), K-9 (The Armageddon factor
2), the first Romana (The Stones of Blood 1) and the second Romana
(Full Circle 1).
NOVELISATION: Christopher H Bidmead (1982/Number 41)
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Cheers,
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Msg : 172 of 322
From : John Giannini 1:119/50 .cê 11 .þí 95 14:05
To : All
Subj : Starman
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Does anyone know if the Blue Light Society, the fan organization devoted to the
TV series "Starman" (1988) is still around, and if so, how I might contact them?
This show is probably my favorite show of all time, and I have always meant to
get in touch with them. I have several issues of the electronic magazine from
the group, (they even had a national convention in Oregon in 1990, with Robert
Hayes and other cast members), but I have never heard of anything since. Anyone
who knows anything about this, please leave me a message. Thanks!
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Msg : 173 of 322
From : John Giannini 1:119/50 .cê 11 .þí 95 14:18
To : Joel Jessup
Subj : Generations video
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On 06 Jun 95, Joel Jessup wrote to Kurt J. Tischer:
KJT>> Man, I don't know, but when you get a confirmation
KJT>> of this, let me know!
KJT>> I would think maybe later this year, in time for Christmas.
JJ> I have heard a release date for RENTAL of July 11th with a release to
JJ> purchase later in the year, probably November/Holidays
Paramount's official pre-order flyer lists Generations as being out on July 18.
If you heard July 11, then it might be coming out early. Disney did that last
year with Lion King on video - it came out a week before all the advertisements
in the media and video store prebook flyers said it would.
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Msg : 174 of 322
From : John Giannini 1:119/50 .cê 11 .þí 95 14:21
To : Allison Urschel
Subj : X-Files
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On 06 Jun 95, Allison Urschel wrote to All:
AU> Hi, I'm an X-Files and Voyager fan. Now that Voyager has it's own
AU> board, what about X-Files? It's a great show, why hasn't anyone started
AU> an X-Files board.
Hey, Allison! There is a national X-files echo already on the backbone. I
started the conference back in December. When I announced it, several systems
decided they would carry it, and with their help, it grew and grew. In early
April I got it onto Planet Connect, and by the end of April I had gotten enough
REC's to request the echo be put on the backbone that it finally made it!
(*That* was a happy day for me!) Now, there're about 4-5 dozen systems that
carry it off the backbone feed. Ask your sysop to bring it in it for you, the
tagname is "X-FILES".
AU> I live in Memphis, and would appriciate if any other
AU> fellow Memphians have discovered one that maybe I've over looked.
See above...
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Msg : 175 of 322
From : Ken Mayes 1:393/7 .cê 11 .þí 95 18:54
To : Brian Henderson
Subj : Re: B5 Ripoff: DS9
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On Tue 6-Jun-1995 12:37a, Brian Henderson said to Ecarey:
BH> I'll agree, although both LIS and BG had "adult" fans. Let's face it,
BH> who are the majority of ST fans? Kids! That's why Paramount flaunted T&A
BH> all over the screen during TNG, because they were aiming at their
BH> audience. That doesn't necessarily mean that TNG or LIS or BG were
BH> necessarily aimed at a "kid" audience, those were simply the audiences
BH> that they garnered. Even today, the vast majority of Star Trek fans are
BH> males under the age of 16.
Everything I've ever read about the demographics of Trek's viewership
suggested the vast majority of fans were males between the ages of 16 and 35.
That's why the vast majority of advertising is beer and jean commericials. If as
you suggest the audience was much younger they'd be advertising Power Ranger
action figures instead. Check your facts.
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Msg : 176 of 322
From : David Johnston 1:342/14 .ÿò 26 .àé 95 01:57
To : Frank Eva
Subj : Voyager Nose Diving?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> most interesting. Perhaps it's because he seems to be more of an
-> "adult" (even though he's probably quite childlike when it comes to
-> understanding the human condition) than the rest of the crew who seem
-> to be fresh out of the academy and just barely beyond puberty. I
-> really
Frankly I don't find Chakotay and Janeway particularly youthful in their
appearance or their demeanor. Paris, Kim, Torres and Tuvok are fairly
youthful, or more accurately give that impression. Essentially this
means that we have three mature starship officers and four young adult
starship officers. I don't see the problem. The original crew was
every bit as "young". Only if you are using a Picard median would
Voyager's crew be described as barely post puberty.
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Msg : 177 of 322
From : James Heggie 1:3417/20 .ÿò 26 .àé 95 15:23
To : Moderator
Subj : Help and info
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Hi! I'd like to introduce myself, and I have some questions regarding
the rules for this echo. Since I need some info ASAP, I hope you don't
mind my asking them outright.
As the Sysop of ERIDU BBS (and still fairly new to Fido) I am trying to
obey the rules for each echo we carry as I learn of them. Several weeks
ago, I posted some info (about a guest ranch that I'd "discovered") in
some of the echos, but learned rather promptly that my postings were not
appropriate.
IF I post (or have posted) anything in your echo that was a violation of
the echo's rules... PLEASE accept my profound apologies now. Most of my
"corrective messages" have been very polite (thankfully) but not all of
them. And I don't particularly wish to go through anything like it
again (grin - I'm sure you can imagine).
I've made requests via our source for Fidonet for a complete listing of
the rules for each echo in Fido, but have yet to recieve anything. I
would like to make such a list available to my users (and to reference
myself for that matter). I will try to keep an eye out for the rules of
this (and other echos). I was wondering (and hoping) if you wouldn't
mind posting the rules in a message addressed directly to me? Once I
get them, I will begin compilation of a master list to make available
for download from my board.
I hope that this won't be too much trouble, and I'm also hoping that it
will also avoid improper postings from our users in the future. I
basically need to know 2 things: (a) If the use of an Alias (handle) is
ok for postings, and (b) what the rules for this echo are.
Thanks for your time and effort in advance!
- James - (alias "Marduk")
System Operator, ERIDU BBS
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Msg : 178 of 322
From : David Johnston 1:342/14 .cê 11 .þí 95 01:57
To : Frank Eva
Subj : Babylon 5 (pten)
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> According to the latest TV Guide, B5 didn't even rank in the top 120
-> shows this season... What gives?
That's because it's a syndicated show.
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Msg : 179 of 322
From : Donald Jaramillo 1:203/1701 .åò 08 .þí 95 12:42
To : Ecarey
Subj : VORLON IMMORTALITY
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Knowing the world was about to end, Tom Huber and
Ecarey wasted their last moments babbling about VORLON IMMORTALITY...
EE> TH> E> TH> Aside from Enemy Mine, I cannot think of anything in
EE> TH> E> TH> motion pictures that equals B5 for scope. Dune might
EE> TH> E> TH> qualify, but the scope of Herbert's work was left on the
EE> TH> E> TH> cutting room floor.
EE> TH> E> Even ENEMY MINE chickened out - the ending of the movie was
EE> TH> E> vastly softened from the punch-in-the-gut ending of the
EE> TH> E> original.
EE> TH> It sounds like I've got to chase down the story it was based
EE> TH> upon. I
EE> Oh, definitely, you NEED to read the original.
I would second that! Not only the original _Enemy Mine_ story (not the
movie adaptation), but I'd recommend picking up the related _Tomorrow
Testament_ as well. Just as powerful in it's own way.
... "Ehdevva sahn, Jeriba Shigan." -- Willis Davidge
... "Gavey 'kiz', Irkmaan?"
... "Irkmaan, yaa stupid Mickey Mouse is!"
... Accept not the absolute rightness of any path.--Shizumaat
... Accept the wholeness of no truth... -- Shizumaat
... As always, it is your choice.-- Shizumaat.
... Intelligent Life takes a stand -- Shizumaat
... Naatha nu enta va Zammis zea dos Jeriba, estay va Shigan,
Internet address: djaramil@ls1.leg.ca.gov
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Msg : 180 of 322
From : Jeff Schlenker 1:288/19 .óá 10 .þí 95 03:57
To : ROBERT LIDGREN
Subj : Re: EARTH 2/SO LONG
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-=> ROBERT LIDGREN was overheard speaking to JEFF SCHLENKER <=-
-> Hey me too! I'm number 26. But shouldn't it be "I *was* one who *watched*
-> Earth 2? :(
RL> Since I was the one who started this thread and am the author of the
RL> "25 people" concept, I am delighted to see so many people did watch
RL> Earth 2 and of those many enjoyed it. I figure I can update my
RL> estimate to 57 now!
If we could have gotten... oh say... 20 million more when it was on,
maybe it would be back this fall.
RL> I wonder why there were so few positive comments while the series was
RL> a reality?
I dunno. I guess there just wasn't enough people who liked it. Also,
the fact that it was up against 60 Minutes didn't help much.
RL> What the cancellation has done is cause many to re-evaluate just what
RL> makes a series good, how soon you should unload your guns and savage a
RL> new series and whether or not some leeway should be given so that
RL> improvement is possible and likely.
RL> Cheers,
RL> Robert Lidgren
What happened to the good ole days when shows were given a chance. I
remember a little sitcom called Cheers (my favorite of all time) that,
in it's first season, was near the bottom in the ratings. We all know
what happened to that show, now don't we. :)
Jeffrey A. Schlenker jeff.schlenker@lake-city.com
... It's a dog-eat-dog world, and I'm wearing Milk-Bone underwear.
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Msg : 181 of 322
From : Ralph Strauser 1:105/314 .óá 10 .þí 95 23:36
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : Confessions & Lamentation
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
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JH>RS> JH> BTW, in Knives, do you think that knob on the rear was put there
JH>RS> JH>for the express purpose of towing Starfuries like that?
JH>RS> Sounds like typical Military Redundency. Shoot you ever notice
JH>I don't quite follow you here...
Well if you look at any military system you will find a plethora of
redundencies. I.E. an aircraft doesn't have one radio for each
frequency band but two plus the hand held the pilot carries. The
Gaurd unit i was in had at least 4 radios on each freq band with 2
in standby mode plus 3 more of each type sitting in the "spare
parts" space.
JH>RS>that most military rigs have a pto connection on the back axle and
JH>RS>the front of the tranny?
JH>No, I hadn't... but the Starfuries don't have a knob on the front too,
JH>do they? Or do you mean that that knob serves some other function in
JH>addition to being available as a hitch?
No but they do have the grapple, so that they could fit together
sorta like legos. It kinda makes sense other than the grapple is
targeted by the puter. I suspect that it could be done manually. If
the producers of B5 ever release a set of Tech Diagrams like the
folks at Paramount did for the trek series's we would find out
JH>I was rather confused during the part where Garibaldi is bringing him
JH>back... did he get flipped around so that his ship was facing forward
JH>with the grapple extending to the rear, take remote control of
JH>Sheridan's ship to tow him or fly in formation forwards, or fly
JH>ass-backwards the entire return trip?
I think its more a case of no spacial references in space. basicly
up is where your head is pointing. But i suspect they just flipped
around though the grappling did bring up for me is could they somehow
link the weopons systems together so you could use one or several
furies as a pulse generator for the lead ship.
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Msg : 182 of 322
From : Dan Kachoogian 1:107/953 .cê 11 .þí 95 11:32
To : James Walton
Subj : Re: Garden State Science Fiction Conspiracy Update
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
*** Quoting James Walton to Dan Kachoogian ***
JW> > Speaking for the Garden State Science Fiction
JW> Conspiracy,
JW> > I bid thee well...
JW>
JW> Just curious, but can't your club find a library to hold your
JW> meetings in? I say this because a restaurant may be putting off
JW> some people. Not everyone may beable to afford a meal, and the
JW> younger people might not be allowed into an establishment which
JW> serves alcohol.
JW>
JW> The club I belong to, PARSEC, jumps around to various library
JW> branches in our area. (Pittsburgh, PA) Memebers with small
JW> children prefer the library atmosphere.
JW>
Your point is well taken, however, we are not a literary group. To be associated
with a library implies we are all reader-fen. We're not (Though I personally
am). The point, as I set it forth, was to be strictly a social gathering of fans
of s/f and related s/f genre's.
In terms of a restaurant putting off some people, I agree, that is probably
true. But noone is required to eat, the place we usually meet has no minimum.
-Dan
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Msg : 183 of 322
From : Bruce Baugh 1:105/290.50 .îí 12 .þí 95 01:41
To : Mark Jones
Subj : ST: The Next Generation
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (10 Jun 95) Mark Jones wrote to Jeff Hancock...
MJ> If real-world computers are any indication of how Trek
MJ> computers operate, non-volatile storage will *vastly* exceed
MJ> the RAM available to them.
Although this cycles back and forth. In the modern day, Bill George
(who as a field tech for Motorola hears all kinds of interesting
things) reports news of work on "hard drives" consisting entirely of
arrays of static RAM chips - megabyte upon megabyte of them. Just
picture a few hundreds of Mbs of these things, all as fast as the
RAM on your motherboard, and all saving their data so that you can
just flip a switch off, and then back on and resume wherever you
left off.
Yeep.
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Msg : 184 of 322
From : John Kahane 1:163/198.5 .îí 12 .þí 95 10:39
To : Gloria Darcy
Subj : Earth 2/So Long
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
In a message of , Gloria Darcy scribed:
GD> Hi John! I"m not sure this message was originally mine, but
GD> I think the question of is Devin really dead was mine. Nice
GD> to know she wasn't. Thanks.
More than welcome, Gloria. I thought the final episode was kind of neat,
but the ending with Devon's being placed in the coldsleep chamber, kind of left
me numb...especially given that I'd already heard the word that EARTH2 was a
cancelled series.
John
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Msg : 185 of 322
From : John Kahane 1:163/198.5 .îí 12 .þí 95 10:41
To : Chris Carter
Subj : Mira's Make-Up
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On , Chris Carter wrote the following to Phill Ash:
PA>> It's my understanding that Mira was beginning to experience
PA>> dermatological problems stemming from the broad use of
PA>> prosthetics in her character design.
CC> Ah, that would explain things further. Thanks for the info.
Chris, this is a comment that can be taken with a grain of salt, I think.
JMS has said in quite a few forums that the plan to change Delenn's character to
the half-human, without the prosthetic make-up, has existed since Day 1 of the
series. (The fact that she was originally meant to be male and then become
female is something else entirely.)
While it's possible that Mira may have started experiencing problems with
the make-up, I would like to hear that from her. Perhaps one of the folks going
to Toronto's Trek Fest can ask her about this, and confirm it for us.
John
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Msg : 186 of 322
From : John Kahane 1:163/198.5 .îí 12 .þí 95 10:46
To : All
Subj : BABYLON 5 Renewal
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
The good news is in folks! John Copeland made the announcement on the
nets on June 6th, but it was confirmed by J. Michael Straczynski on June 9th
over on the various nets. BABYLON 5 has been renewed for a third season!! If
Nicolai permits, I can even post JMS's announcement here on the echo.
We can all start to breathe again!
John
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witch, who should know better
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Msg : 187 of 322
From : John Kahane 1:163/198.5 .îí 12 .þí 95 10:48
To : Lanae Lauderdale
Subj : B5 Thought
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On , Lanae Lauderdale wrote the following to John
Kahane:
LL> Yes, that's VERY interesting! He was asked early on in the
LL> con, and he said they didn't know yet, but he was expecting
LL> to hear any time. The next evening, he told us that he had
LL> just received the news! That was like April 28 or 29. Oh
LL> well, I hope it IS renewed!
See my previous post. We can all breathe a sigh of relief, now. :)
John
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Msg : 188 of 322
From : Earl Green 1:3822/1 .îí 12 .þí 95 12:22
To : Lisa Stapp
Subj : APOLLO 13
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
LS>Last night, I got an early peek at Ron Howard's next offering. I have never
LS>enjoyed a movie more! It isn't just a rip-snortin' adventure, it's grand!
LS>The script, cast, effects, sound track, EVERYTHING pulled me in.
I've got two questions: when does it open, and out of interest since
you seemed to go out of your way to mention it, who did the music?
e <-- Earl Green (earl.green@f1.n3822.z1.fidonet.org) 1:3822/1
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Msg : 189 of 322
From : John Kahane 1:163/198.5 .îí 12 .þí 95 12:47
To : Frank Eva
Subj : Babylon 5 (Pten)
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On , Frank Eva wrote the following to Brian
Henderson:
BH>> Which is very true. B5 isn't "accepted" because B5 doesn't
BH>> have a big corporation the keeps throwing money at it in
BH>> almost limitless amounts.
FE> According to the latest TV Guide, B5 didn't even rank in the
FE> top 120 shows this season... What gives?
For one thing, TV Guide's ranking of the top 120 shows is one that is
based more firmly in the Network-oriented shows than the non-Network stuff.
While ST: TNG and some of the spin-offs may show up in the rankings, I wouldn't
be worried about B5 not showing up in the rankings. The figures that JMS has
provided in various posts on CIS and GEnie over the last few years have been
pretty good, and are stuff that come in direct to the PTEN and Babylonian
Productions offices.
John
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Msg : 190 of 322
From : John Kahane 1:163/198.5 .îí 12 .þí 95 12:50
To : Frank Eva
Subj : Kosh, Kosh
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On , Frank Eva wrote the following to Jeff Hancock:
JH>FE>> Probably the same way he feels about the B5 comics, which
JH>FE>> also don't
JH>> So how is that, then? I didn't think you had contact with JMS.
FE> Just guessing, but it seems obvious to me that JMS is not going
FE> to let the B5 comics or novels advance the main storyline of B5:
FE> The TV Series.
While this is certainly true of the books to some extent, I think, you may
find you're wrong about the comics. The current story arc going on in the B5
comic, with Garibaldi and Keffer on Mars dealing with Shadows, is relating to
the past when Sinclair first met Garibaldi... A couple of things that Garibaldi
has said in the series and the comics relate, believe it or not.
JH>> Partially, although I don't remember/haven't seen that one;
JH>> JK told me about it. I'm just guessing at it being
JH>> reminiscent of the classic portrayal of angels/God in some
JH>> way without being too obvious/cheesy.
FE> Last season, because of this episode, I speculated that Kosh's
FE> people were "energy beings", but then I was reminded that they
FE> do need an artificial "environment" inside B5, and that Kosh
FE> had actually been poisoned in one episode, both of which seem
FE> to imply more than an energy being is inside that encounter
FE> suit...
Both you and Jeff, and some of the other folks around the echoes, need to
watch "The Gathering" again, Frank. Particularly the sequence with Dr. Kyle
doing his medical research on Kosh's conditions, and some of the diagnostics
that are being recorded about Kosh. There is clear evidence there that
he/she/it is organic in nature. Blood cells, crystalline structure,
respiration, cardiovascular system, and all.
This doesn't relate one way or the other to angels or anything along these
lines, but we'll have to see... Personally, I don't think it's going to be
angels or any other religious figure - that would be cheesy, and doesn't seem to
be in keeping with the sf nature of the series.
John
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Msg : 191 of 322
From : Nicole Wilson 1:271/266 .îí 12 .þí 95 17:00
To : Robert Lidgren
Subj : EARTH 2/SO LONG
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
RL>people" concept, I am delighted to see so many people did watch Earth 2 and
RL>those many enjoyed it. I figure I can update my estimate to 57 now!
I guess I'm 58? and don't forget to add the 60 or so people in the
Earth2 fido echo, as well as the rather sizeable (hundreds) group on
AOL, and the groups of similar sizes on GEnie, Prodigy, Delphi,
Compuserve and the Usenet, (alt.tv.earth2) as well as the WWW pages (4
run by MCA, and 5 fan-run pages) which are being visited rather
frequently. I can't believe everything that's been going on as far as
Earth 2 is concerned. Earth 2 stuff is everywhere on the nets.
RL>I wonder why there were so few positive comments while the
RL>series was a reality?
There were, just not in this echo.
(Most E2ers lobby around the "Official" fan groups.)
RL>What the cancellation has done is cause many to re-evaluate just what makes
RL>series good, how soon you should unload your guns and savage a new series an
RL>whether or not some leeway should be given so that improvement is possible a
RL>likely.
I agree with that assesment.
One thing that has popped up is that there are litrally hundreds of fans
rallying to revive the show, and fan groups have popped up.
--Nicole Wilson
Member, Earth 2 Foundations
and East Coast Earth 2 fan club
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Msg : 192 of 322
From : Seth Horne 1:129/260 .îí 12 .þí 95 17:56
To : All
Subj : bABYLON5
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Yo everyone...How exactly does the Jumpgate technology work, I mean, doesn't it
bend space or something?
Also, did they every describe the specification of those phat star furies??
They said that B5 was only 5 miles long. The inside views, when you look out
their windows, look so unrealistic. And when you look out at the whole view, it
doesn't even look 2 miles long. Shouldn't a station like that be important and
big? And what is that planet it is orbiting around?
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Msg : 193 of 322
From : Myra I Fox 1:123/10 .îí 12 .þí 95 18:24
To : Jack Butler
Subj : FitzCairn
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-=>Quoting Jack Butler to Gloria Darcy<=-
JB> Heh. Roger Daltrey is very much alive. However, the character
JB> he in several two episodes of Highlander (Hugh FitzCairn) was killed by
JB> Kallas.
I really liked him too . He was a good humerous companion
to pop up in the series - a balance to Duncan's rather serious
nature.
... "Marvelous thing, technology!" Kalas
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Msg : 194 of 322
From : Kay Shapero 1:102/524 .îí 12 .þí 95 19:20
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : Vorlon Immortality
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On , Jeff Hancock (1:3600/7) wrote to John Kahane:
JH>suspicion at the least, unless those particular Shadows don't
JH>know diddley about those ancient wars. Wouldn't the very name
JH>"Vorlons" tip them off? ;-)
Maybe they called themselves something else back then?
JH>Thanks for the refresh. How did Lyta scan Kosh through the suit,
JH>unless she's more powerful than Talia?
She didn't - she took off her glove and reached in through the hole Kyle had
opened in the suit. It didn't look like she actually touched him, but close.
(I just watched The Gathering today - kicking off my own personal one episode
per day Babylonathon for the summer. :->)
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Msg : 195 of 322
From : Kay Shapero 1:102/524 .îí 12 .þí 95 19:31
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : Sliders - Bathroom? Wash
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On , Jeff Hancock (1:3600/7) wrote to Mark Jones:
MJ>When the Borg come calling, send them a message:
MJ>"Crunch all you want. We'll make more!"
MJ>Turn out starships as fast as you can cycle them through the airlock!
JH>Somehow this strikes me as having as much effect as raindrops
JH>hitting the sidewalk.
Ever witness a flash flood?
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Msg : 196 of 322
From : Tony Limbert 1:2215/420 .îí 12 .þí 95 19:58
To : Tom Huber
Subj : ENEMY MINE
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
While summoning Cthulhu, I overheard Ecarey say :
TH>I've definitely got to chase down the original. Who's the author?
Ec> Barry Longyear.
You can find a copy of the story in the anthology "REEL FUTURES", along
with the original stories for [digging book up] ...
The Empire of the Ants
Herbert West - Re-animator [The Re-Animator]
Armageddon 2419 A.D. [Buck Rogers TV show]
Who Goes There? [The Thing]
Farewell to the Master [Day the Earth Stood Still]
This Island Earth
The Illustrated Man
The Sentinel [2001: A Space Odyssey]
The Seventh Victim [The Tenth Victim]
The Racer [Death Race 2000]
The Fly
Eight O'Clock in the Morning [They Live!]
We Can Remember It For You [Total Recall]
Wholesale
Damnation Alley
Enemy Mine
Air Raid [Millennium]
I bought it for $5.00 at B. Dalton (it was on sale). Might still be in the
bargan bin at your local bookstore.
Tony Limbert
[ Limbert@corp.aldhfn.com ]
... "One grows tired of everything. Except power. " -- The Doctor
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Msg : 197 of 322
From : Derek Wakefield 1:393/7 .òp 13 .þí 95 02:58
To : Lawrence E Dunlap
Subj : Re: Star Blazers
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On Fri 9-Jun-1995 18:38 , Lawrence E Dunlap said to Derek Wakefield:
LD> _Star Blazers 1_ also was particularly adult for a children's audience in
LD> Houston scheduled for 08:30 weekdays.
It was shown at 15:30 in the Dallas/Ft Worth Area, while in the North East it
was generally broadcast at 06:30. Still not a very flattering timeslot for such
an adult oriented show.
LD> One episode involved IQ-9 developing a crush on Nova next to the
LD> interstellar destination of the _Argo_. One scene showed the animated and
LD> LD> emotionally upset Nova out of uniform down to only her lingerie slip.
LD> and LD> bare shoulders.
LD> Do I need to say more?
The former happened during ep-16 when Nova and IQ-9 went down to Planet
Beemera/Beeland, however they cut the part of IQ-9 flipping up her skirt in the
mess hall in that ep. The second scene never appeared in Star Blazers, having
ended up as part of the goodies on the cutting room floor. As did the shot of
Nova in the buff during the Argo's first space warp (ep-4) and IQ-9 placing one
of his hands on her posterior in ep-6 when the two of them and Wildstar were
flying down to Saturn-Titan in search of a rare mineral known as Titanite.
LD> _Star Blazers 2_ didn't have such a adult scene during its run that I
LD> detected from daily viewings of every episode.
There were a number of adult scenes in Yamato 2, but all were chopped out of the
Americanized Star Blazers. A few that come to mind include the shot of
Tokugawa/Orion relieving himself on the side of the drydock when they first
demonstrated the Time Radar, and Kato/Conroy doing the same when he noticed the
Andromeda following the ship a few episodes later. The closest we got to actual
nudity was when Nova's uniform ripped in the space cyclone a number of episodes
later.
LD> _Star Blazers 3_ might have had some adult situations that clashed with
LD> the animated program standards.
In fact, other than IQ flipping Nova's skirt once early in the series (which was
cut out), there wasn't much there to begin with. Other than the love scene
between Wildstar and Nova in Final Yamato, and the nude Teresa/Trelania in
Arrivederci Yamato, first season was the most explicit of the shows (if once
could call it that).
LD> Why buy PG-13 animated SF progams containing minimally dressed animated
LD> females when you could just show a live action PG-13 science fantasy movie
LD> LD> with the female lead's uniform at seninude half-mast during some
LD> romance? LD> Kids living in households of conservative parents won't be
LD> allowed to see LD> that and double-standard adults will drink it up.
Well, in regards to Yamato/Star Blazers, while a romantic oriented yarn, there
was a general lack of love making throughout the run of the saga. From what
I've seen of Yamato 2520, they've already laid the ground work for a more risque
plotline (based on some of the dialogue running between Nambu and Marcy). There
was room for it in the original, but the producers I suspect decided to keep the
main emphasis on the space wars, as opposed to the interpersonal relationships.
Derek (/\).
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Msg : 198 of 322
From : Myranya Werlemann 2:283/1701 .òp 13 .þí 95 07:52
To : All
Subj : "V" fan club.
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Hi everyone,
Does anyone know if there's a "V" fan club still active,
and if there is, what's the address? Any info will be
appreciated... Any country, any planet...
Greetx from the Mothership,
Myranya.
... "Where'd you get the uniform?" "They had a sale."
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Msg : 199 of 322
From : Tom Huber 1:115/477 .îí 12 .þí 95 02:45
To : Robert Lidgren
Subj : EARTH 2/SO LONG
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11 94-0102
>-> were whats-her-face (the leader), I would have been chewing and spitting
>-> nails had I realized what was happening. In fact, I would have done
>anything
>-> to totally destroy BB's presence on the colony world. Now that would have
>-> made for some good writing and shows.
RL>Gee, why didn't they hire YOU as a STORY CONSULTANT. Nifty idea! It would
>have been absolutely GREAT to see Devon go ballistic and work to screw up
>this
>Big Brother-type organization. Hell, she could enlist the aggresive hormone
>of Danzigger too to get the job done!
Heh! I've got my own SF series in the works and although it is
considerably different from Earth 2 (or Trek, for that matter), there
are a lot of complex social issues around. There are a lot of politics
in the story, and those that come to realize what is happening find ways
to work the system to their advantage... Of course, I wouldn't have to
write SF to tell that story today - there's enough of that already
happening.
It takes the reader well into the third novel to find out the mystery
set up in the first novel. And each story runs in the neighborhood of
180,000 words, about twice the size of the typical Trek book (for want
of a better comparison).
What is really scary about the whole thing (especially the mystery) is
that that situation (suggested by the story) is rapidly becoming
something that will be necessary in our own time and technology.
Most SF that is really interesting takes place roughly 20 minutes into
the future. Bring back Max Headroom!
Tom
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Msg : 200 of 322
From : Tom Huber 1:115/477 .îí 12 .þí 95 02:50
To : Robert Lidgren
Subj : B5 VS ST 1/2
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11 94-0102
RL>You are probably right about Asimov but, what the heck, even at less than hi
>peak Isaac wrote brilliantly. I especially enjoyed his straight science
>articles and books. There has never been ANY writer to equal him in his
>ability to make complex scientific concepts understandable. This was
>especially true in his science articles in "Fantasy and Science Fiction"
>magazine.
So very, very true. What I find is that so many people want to claim
that Robert Heinlein is the "best" SF author of all time. I disagree,
and lay that title as Asimov's feet. What Heinlein was, was the ultimate
marketeer. He knew what to write for the time that he wrote it. While
the stories were good, I found Heinlein's politics too much of the
central issue (a good example is his relatively late "Friday" novel).
Asimov had politics, but they weren't an extension of today. More what
we might see in the future. I've done the same thing with my series and
used a "what if" approach to today's social problems. What if we passed
such and such a law? What would be the impact upon society and what kind
of problems might arise because of such a law? That's a central theme to
the first Star Spawn novel and an associated short story. The resulting
answer to the question is that it is a *bad* law. Yet, we have people in
power that would love to pass just such a restrictive law (or laws). I
won't go any further, but it is a major problem that our society faces
today, and gets too far off the SF theme of this echo to discuss (at
least, until the novels start to be published).
Tom
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Msg : 201 of 322
From : Tom Huber 1:115/477 .îí 12 .þí 95 02:56
To : Robert Lidgren
Subj : B5 VS ST 1/2
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11 94-0102
RL>Khan has always stood out as a terrific antagonist because he had:
RL> 1. Sufficient "brawn" to satisfy those who thrive on WWF wrestling.
ROFLMYO!
> 2. An intellect that put Kirk to the test mightily.
This is what I appreciated. I pulled that story a notch above the rest.
They (Paramount) attempted to duplicate this in the last OS movie with
the Klingons. However, it just didn't work. The story was too flawed by
uneven performances and writing. Again, too much in the FX department
and not enough concentration on the story line or characters. Plummer's
Klingon was too shallow - or not convincing - I'm not sure which.
> 3. A sufficiently "likeable" nature that we didn't ENTIRELY hate the
>guy.
Yup. Khan had an element that *demanded* sympathy on the part of the
viewer. Plummer didn't pull this off with his character. Maybe part of
the problem was that there wasn't a central "bad guy" but rather, a
movement of "misguided" people in Trek 6.
> 4. A real "draw" or charisma that made him have considerable loyalty
> from his followers. Compare, say, Captain Bligh from "Mutiny on th
> Bounty." He was hated by some of the crew but his leadership
>allowed
> those with him to survive a 3,000 open-ocean journey in an open
> life-boat. In the same way, Khan's leadership helped HIS followers
> survive very nasty conditions on the planet ofuEB+= exile
Absolutely. Even in the original "Space Seed," you could see this. For
as old as that story is, it still holds up remarkably, even with the
stereotypical (for the time) attraction by the female scientist to Khan.
Tom
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Msg : 202 of 322
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .îí 12 .þí 95 08:00
To : John Kahane
Subj : Confessions & Lamentation
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.42.bA 8060
JK> The really neat thing is that the business with the Markabs is
JK>not the "decimation of a major race's homeworld" that JMS has been
JK>hinting at for a while. Looks like the dying hasn't even started
JK>yet.
Why do you say that? Couldn't it still be the Markabs that JMS was
talking about when he said we'd see the "decimation of a major race's
homeworld"?
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Msg : 203 of 322
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .îí 12 .þí 95 08:00
To : John Kahane
Subj : Mira and Delenn
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.42.bA 8060
JK> FE> Agreed! However, she still looks better than she did in the
JK> FE> pilot. She looked almost manly, then...
JK> She was *meant* to look manly in "The Gathering," Frank. :)
Why? What was JMS thinking? That the Minbari would be unisexual aliens
or something?
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Msg : 204 of 322
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .îí 12 .þí 95 08:00
To : Michelle Willey
Subj : Babylon 5 (PTEN)
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.42.bA 8060
MW>Now B5 has become almost an addiction with me. This surprises me
MW>since I couldn't even sit thru the pilot movie. The episodes just
It's surprising how well B5 is doing with sci-fi afficionados, even
after the rather disappointing pilot and a wait of almost a year before
the actual series began!
MW>keep getting better and the characters are strong, realistic, easy to
MW>identify with. The only thing I don't care for just now is what has
MW>been done to Delenn's character. If the show is cancelled before the
MW>story is done, I hope the books will at least tell us what happens.
MW>IMO, the aliens on B5 are better than the ones on NextGen. The
MW>NextGen ones don't bother me or anything, but after awhile they start
MW>to look alike. Don't really _seem_ alien or even very strange.
Exactly my thought about TNG (as well as DS9). You're right... The
aliens never seemed to be much more than humans with some sort of facial
appliance added...
MW>The same goes for Voyager populations. But B5 has some
MW>really creepy things walking around (or fading in and out). I guess I
MW>just like the *dark* element that runs as an under current in B5 and
MW>the humor is pretty good as well.
Yes, the dark element does seem to add a measure of intrigue you don't
get in any trek today. I think this may be why The X-Files is so
popular, too!
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Msg : 205 of 322
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .îí 12 .þí 95 08:00
To : Bruce Baugh
Subj : B5 Franchising
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.42.bA 8060
BB>JMS has never taken "a hard line" against franchising. He's taken a
BB>hard line against schlock. From what I hear, the MicroMachines
BB>models are well-done. Which is fine.
Hmmm... He seemed to be making a point against all franchising in the
episode in which a teddy bear was 'spaced'...
BB>He's never quite come out and said, "The B5 novels bite the wax
BB>tadpole." But he's sure danced up to the edge of saying that; it
BB>sounds like the deal he ended up with there is not the deal he
BB>thought he had, and any hypothetical future books are going to be
BB>written by people _he_ picks, rather than assigned to him by the
BB>publisher.
I don't care who he picks to write them, if he doesn't allow them to
advance the storyline in any way...
BB>By the way, I must say that I don't think much of your complaint
BB>about the comic not advancing the arc. What did you expect?
I never expected anything out of the comic book. I was hoping for more
and got less. I have learned my lesson and will not buy another issue.
BB>point of the TV show is that it should stand on its own - people
BB>shouldn't _have_ to get anything but the show to follow the major
BB>developments. We are fortunate in having secondary media that affect
BB>the show at all: compare the Trek novels and comics, with their
BB>total disconnection from the show.
This is an UNfortunate consequence of there being a 5 year story "arc",
which is something trek never had. Trek novelists had leeway to make
good original sci-fi stories. All we get from B5 novelists is 'cloak and
dagger' and 'murder-they-wrote'.
BB>Back at the screed, then, I think you've misunderstood JMS' original
BB>position.
Again, I am only stating my personal opinions. Whether they conflict
with JMS' position or not is irrelevant. They're still my OPINIONS!
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Msg : 206 of 322
From : John A. Leopard 1:133/1063 .cê 11 .þí 95 03:22
To : All
Subj : Atlanta Fantasy Fair
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Come and meet the stars at: The New Atlanta Comics and Fantasy Fair,
Inc., XXI, Castlegate Hotel, Atlanta, Georgia - June 23-25th, 1995.
Guests: Kevin Sorbo ("Hercules"); Claudia Christian ("Ivanova" from
Babylon 5) and Dwight Schultz ("Barclay" on ST:NG/ "Murdock" on A-Team).
AFF information (voice) number: (404) 507-7000 (no collect calls,
please) or call Starbase Atlanta BBS at (404) 270-1373..
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Msg : 207 of 322
From : Alisanne Fleitman 1:107/955 .cê 11 .þí 95 09:02
To : ROBERT LIDGREN
Subj : MORE SLIDERS DATA
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
RL> I sometimes think I enjoy watching these shows MOST when it is
RL> with my kids.
I like watching with Kassy too. My favorite shows also include Babylon 5 and
Lois & Clark which havn't interested Kassy at all. I think the reason that
Earth2 was such a favorite of hers was they had two kids on the show. She didn't
like the episodes that didn't feature the kids at all.
** Alisanne **
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Msg : 208 of 322
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .cê 11 .þí 95 15:56
To : Phill Ash
Subj : Crosspost
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Quoth Phill Ash, "Nevermore".
PA> On the note (pardon the pun) of Highlander, what ever happened to Phil
PA> Akin (?) the guy from whom MacLeod bought the dojo? I was wondering
PA> whether "retro-continuity" might fit him in as a Watcher...
At the moment, he's in Les Mis on broadway.
Jack Butler
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Msg : 209 of 322
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .cê 11 .þí 95 15:57
To : Phill Ash
Subj : More Crosspost
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Quoth Phill Ash, "Nevermore".
>You know you've been watching too much Highlander when you listen
>to the song "Dust in the Wind" on the radio and you get all misty
>about Tessa over a year later...
PA> or listen to "Princes of the Universe" and wonder where the
PA> extra lyrics came from...
ROFL!
Jack Butler
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Msg : 210 of 322
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .îí 12 .þí 95 06:17
To : Jeff Kovach
Subj : Crosspost
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Quoth Jeff Kovach, "Nevermore".
JB> You know you've been watching Highlander too much when you hear
JB> a song by The Who come on the radio, and you think it's too bad they
JB> can't record any new stuff since their lead singer got killed.
JK> Who? Don't you mean Queen?
No, I mean The Who. Roger Daltrey played Hugh FitzCairn, an immortal
friend of MacLeod's who was killed by Kallas.
Jack Butler
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Msg : 211 of 322
From : Jim Cushing 1:123/75 .îí 12 .þí 95 12:08
To : Brian Henderson
Subj : Re: B5 Ripoff: Ds9
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
EE> If the WB Network had even one decent show, they might be doing
EE> better. If the PTEN shows were pulled from syndication and moved to
EE> the WB Network, they'd have a bunch of shows with pre-built
EE> audiences that could then be seen in something resembling "prime
EE> time" - it would probably be a win all around.
BH> Considering that UPN is cancelling every show they have except Voyager
BH> and DS9,
Sorry Brian DS9 is syndicated and therefore UPN has no control over it.
BH> I'd say that *BOTH* networks need some serious help.
Amen to that although UPN is giving Legend a "second" chance on the 12th
after Voyager.
BH> Other than B5, I watch nothing on UPN,
You stated earlier that UPN is cancelling every show except Voyager. Don't
you mean you watch B-5 on the UPN affilate?
and I watch absolutely nothing on
BH> Warner.
BH> ___
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BH> -!- Maximus 2.02
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Msg : 212 of 322
From : Jim Cushing 1:123/75 .îí 12 .þí 95 12:08
To : Brian Henderson
Subj : Re: B5 Ripoff: Ds9
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
BH> I'll agree, although both LIS and BG had "adult" fans. Let's face it,
BH> who are the majority of ST fans? Kids!
Kids! Not likely Brian!
BH> That's why Paramount flaunted T&A all over the screen during TNG,
BH> because they were aiming at their audience. That doesn't necessarily mean
BH> that TNG or LIS or BG were necessarily aimed at a "kid" audience, those
BH> were simply the audiences that they garnered. Even today, the vast majority
BH> of Star Trek fans are males under the age of 16.
Get real! If what you say is true then I guess you believe that shows like
Three's Company and Charlie's Angels were created for and viewed by the
"kid" audience. I don't know about you but when I was 16(a loonngg time ago)
the last thing I wanted to do was to watch TV.
BH> It demonstrated that a sf show could be successful. Unfortunately,
BH> there was too much drek between 1970 and 1987. The audience always
BH> existed, there was simply nothing worth watching. Had a Babylon-5 or
BH> something similar come along during that time, it would have made it
BH> because it was a good show, not because TNG made it possible.
Your missing the key word "Syndication"! When TNG proved that SF did not
have to be shown on network to be successful it opened doors for shows
like B-5, Highlander, Forever Knight. TNG had that built in audience that
"helped" it succeed. B-5 would not have been syndicated if not for the
success of TNG.
BH> Unfortunately, after TNG hit the screen, far too many studios were
BH> afraid to put their own space show up against a successful show.
I would that in at least 90% of the country B-5 and DSN do NOT battle
head to head in the ratings war.
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Msg : 213 of 322
From : Jim Cushing 1:123/75 .îí 12 .þí 95 12:08
To : Ecarey
Subj : Re: BABYLON 5 (PTEN)
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Ec> Compared to where Trek was at this point in its history, B5 is doing
Ec> quite well, so quitcherbellyachin'.
Well said Elizabeth!
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Msg : 214 of 322
From : Jeff Schlenker 1:288/19 .îí 12 .þí 95 23:16
To : Frank Glover
Subj : Re: ST-Generations
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-=> Frank Glover was overheard speaking to Crah <=-
Cr> Thanks! Strange that the rental places will have it before it's on
Cr> the shelf to
Cr> buy. Kinda supports pirating copies, doesn't it?
FG> I agree. I thought it was kind of strange, too. Usually rental and
FG> retail are simultaneous....
Here's my theory.... They sell it first to the rental stores for an
ungodly price... say 99 dollars. Then they can later sell it at
large for a more reasonable price of 24.95 or less.
Jeffrey A. Schlenker jeff.schlenker@lake-city.com
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Msg : 215 of 322
From : Phill Ash 1:275/160 .òp 13 .þí 95 08:11
To : Greg Mcneil
Subj : Re: Out to sea...
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: GE 1.11+
>Hey, just don't get lost trying to Find:
>1. A BT Punch.
>2. Batteries for sound powered phones.
>3. Relative bearing grease. -yes, there is such a thing, but it has to
> be speicaly ordered from supply.
>4. Food for the captain's gold fish.
>5. That Red, White, and Blue bouy, that has the ships mail in it.
You left out two of my favorites:
6. Portable Pad-Eye Puller
7. Gig-line
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Msg : 216 of 322
From : Phill Ash 1:275/160 .òp 13 .þí 95 08:11
To : Jeff Kovach
Subj : Crosspost
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: GE 1.11+
> You know you've been watching Highlander too much when you hear
>a song by The Who come on the radio, and you think it's too bad they
>can't record any new stuff since their lead singer got killed.
>To which Jeff Kovach replies...
>Who? Don't you mean Queen?
Silly!
Roger Daltry (lead singer for The Who) was decapitated by
Kallas.
Your pal: PhlAsh
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Msg : 217 of 322
From : Phill Ash 1:275/160 .òp 13 .þí 95 08:12
To : Jack Butler
Subj : Crosspost
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>Regarding listening to The Who and thinking their lead singer got
>killed. I didn't know about this. Please enlighten me as to the
>situation? Is it to do with Queen?
>Gloria
I think you went way over some people's heads on that one, Jack!
Your pal: PhlAsh
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Msg : 218 of 322
From : John Kahane 1:163/198.5 .òp 13 .þí 95 12:06
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : Vorlon Immortality
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In a message of , Jeff Hancock scribed:
JK>> *************Minor Spoiler Warning******************
JK> JK>>> SPOILER ALERT!!!
JK> JH>> Still?
JK>> Yep... You never know who's not seen the episode in
JK>> question yet, so it makes sense to do so...
JH> We're not going to have a repeat of the debate from over on
JH> SF, are we?
No, Jeff... I hadn't intended to. :) I guess we can dispense with the
spoiler warning here, but if someone objects to their *not* being a spoiler
warning, I'll send them to you, ok?
JK> JH>> BTW, I thought the next episode was supposed to be _The
JK> JH>> Long, Twilight Struggle_, which was being hyped as one
JK>> The next *new* episode is going to be _The Long, Twilight
JK>> Struggle_, but it won't be airing in North America now until
JK>> some time in October. PTEN has decided to hold off on the
JK>> final four
JH> So I've been hearing... Expletive deleted.
Well, things could be worse, you know...the series has been renewed, so
there will be a third season of BABYLON 5. The good news is the episodes may be
shown a bit earlier, but there is also the possibility now that the Brits and
Euros won't see the last four episodes until August or September. Just talk,
for the moment, as far as I know.
JH> Not that it's an original thought, but this is stupid.
Quite a few of us agree with this sentiment. Won't do much to influence
the folks at PTEN, I don't think. :(
JH> Not only do they tick off B5 fans, but that also means that
JH> those four episodes will only get one airing (not counting
JH> the same-week repeats in many areas), and people who miss
JH> them or get turned on to the show later will miss what appear
JH> to be some of the more important (arc-wise) shows of the
JH> season - just like _Babylon Squared_ and _Chrysalis_.
Yep, pretty much the same thing, imo. The worst thing is that PTEN has
said that the reason they won't show episodes from the first season is that they
don't want to confuse people about the Sinclair/Sheridan command of the station.
Since JMS has said that major new characters will be introduced in the third
season, it's a good bet that second season shows won't be repeated for the same
reason that PTEN used to not want to show first season episodes in repeat.
Maybe we'll have to wait until the series is in syndicated re-release. :)
JK>> Meantime, the Brits and Europeans will see the four episodes
JK>> when they were scheduled to air - in the June/July slot. :(
JH> Okay, two questions... Is it possible a letter-writing
JH> campaign would do any good, and do you know anyone in Europe
JH> with an NTSC-compatible VCR who could send you tapes of
JH> them . . . ?
Well, before I answer this, see my comments above on this matter. As for
the first question, I doubt that a letter-writing campaign would influence PTEN
one way or the other, but it might convince them to show the episodes a bit
earlier than October. Or not... They're thinking in terms of the sweeps in
October and November, and as I mentioned before, the segue into the third season
of B5.
As for the second question, I know a lot of people in Britain, but most of
them aren't using the NTSC-compatible formats. PAL is the common video over
there, and that's what they'll be recording in. Unless they're willing to help
out the poor American cousins and go out of their way to help us all out. :)
JK>> No way to know...but we don't know all that much about them.
JK>> We know that they are at least 12,000 years old and that
JK>> they were old when the other First Ones, such as the Vorlons,
JK>> were young.
JH> Race-wise, but I'm talking about those Shadows with Morden,
JH> and if they personally would have fought in the wars or have
JH> any experience leading them to believe that Kosh is one of
JH> the First Ones.
Who knows? We don't really know what the Shadows look like proper yet;
heck we don't even know anything about Shadow biology or chemistry at all, so
how can we talk about their ages? The fact that they pre-date the Vorlons as a
race must count for something of course, but we don't know enough about them at
this point.
JH> They must have a suspicion at the least, unless those
JH> particular Shadows don't know diddley about those ancient wars.
JH> Wouldn't the very name "Vorlons" tip them off? ;-)
Not if the actual name of Kosh's race is one that they have abandoned in
order to keep themselves safe from the Shadows for now. "Vorlon" might be the
name they call themselves as camouflage, and serves a similar purpose to the
encounter suit that presumably, all Vorlons wear.
JK> JH>> and why no one walks into them by accident.
JK>> Probably because they're phased. :)
JH> Is this just guessing, or has JMS confirmed this? Could be,
JH> it would certainly explain how Morden gets around in crowded
JH> situations (unless they can fly, too).
No, Joe hasn't confirmed this. But I've been of the opinion that the
Shadows have phasing capability for a long time now, ever since we first saw the
Shadow ship in combat as a matter of fact. Some of the evidence seems to
confirm this, some doesn't. Just another mystery, one of many, surrounding the
Shadows. :)
JH> Something else I was thinking of... Sinclair's Rangers and
JH> Delenn both know about the Shadows, and know that the others
JH> know; and Delenn knows about Morden and the Shadows, so it
JH> would seem reasonable to assume that there is a Ranger or
JH> two keeping an eye on Morden.
While that's possible, knowledge is a dangerous thing. :) JMS has said
that there have been Rangers on the station for a while now, and that every
episode since "TCoS" has had at least one Ranger somewhere in it.
JH> To that end, the last time I watched _ItSoZ_, during the
JH> meeting in the Zocalo I was watching the background for
JH> anyone who appeared to show even the slightest interest in
JH> Morden... but, no luck. Either JMS hasn't considered this,
JH> or just didn't put it in...
Well, I'm in the middle of making tapes for a friend of mine; he wants a
complete set of B5 tapes, so I'm working on the first season stuff, but when I
get around to watching some of the later episodes again, I may keep my eyes
peeled for things.
John
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Msg : 219 of 322
From : John Kahane 1:163/198.5 .òp 13 .þí 95 12:22
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : Vorlon Immortality 1.1
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In a message of , Jeff Hancock scribed:
JK> JK>>> that the Ancient Ones have learned, about how to cloak
JK> JK>>> themselves from the Shadows knowing who they are,
JK> JH>> Hmmm, good point. I wonder if the encounter suit is also
JK> JH>> part of that protection, perhaps generating a scrambler
JK> JH>> field
JK>> This would certainly seem to be the case, given that the
JK>> Shadows in "Signs and Portents" attempted to get through
JK>> the suit to see what
JH> Well, the cloaking could be entirely mental instead of just
JH> physical through the suit, is what I meant.
I'm not sure about this. If you remember from "The Gathering," Lyta
Alexander couldn't scan Kosh with the suit relatively closed, and she speculated
that it was shielded. That possibly implies the Vorlon suit is partially
organic, that the Vorlons have some sort of psi shielding (which makes sense,
given their racial age), or something like that. While the suit might not be
totally effective against the Shadows, given they are older than the Vorlons,
that doesn't mean the latter are more technologically advanced than the Vorlons,
but this does appear to be the case.
JK>> was inside. That's how Kosh's encounter suit got damaged,
JK>> although it's obvious now that the Shadow allies of Morden
JK>> didn't manage to penetrate Kosh's disguise. If they had,
JK>> the war with the Shadows would have started in deadly
JK>> earnest by now.
JH> The thing is, it just makes me wonder why the Shadows were
JH> ruthlessly curious enough to reveal themselves in some fashion
JH> if they weren't suspicious enough already to make it almost a
JH> moot point.
It could be they were curious about the Vorlons, specifically about Kosh,
I suppose. In "Signs and Portents" it seemed to me that Kosh was the only
ambassador that Morden hadn't approached, and no matter what others say on the
matter, he was somewhat afraid of Kosh to begin with. Perhaps something
instinctive, who knows?
JH> Given what the Shadows with Morden _ought_ to know about
JH> the ancient wars (one would think he would have contacts who
JH> would know enough to watch for things the agent wouldn't
JH> notice, unless Morden was given that kind of information as
JH> part of the recruitment), it just seems as if they should have
JH> a very good unconfirmed suspicion of who Kosh really is.
Perhaps, but maybe not. We don't really know enough about either species
at this point to guess, although one would think that when the Vorlons are
revealed as one of the First Ones, things will intensify. Perhaps it's the
revelation of what the Vorlons are near the end of this season that will cause
the Shadows to commence the war in earnest.
JK> JH>> Say, how does this tie in with _The Gathering_?
JK>> No one knows, Jeff...at least no one other than JMS...and
JK>> he ain't talking.
JH> So speculate... thoughts are still free, so far. ;-)
Well, the first thing that comes to mind is the attempted assassination of
Kosh in "The Gathering." We don't know whether the assassination attempt was
real or not, but I'm inclined to believe it was. Someone, presumably whoever
set up the assassination attempt, had to have know exactly *what* was inside the
encounter suit, since they knew how to poison Kosh and knew what to use to
poison Kosh. Make of that what you will, I think.
JK> JH>> I can't remember exactly what happened, but wasn't a
JK> JH>> telepath involved? And didn't the doctor who saw Kosh go
JK> JH>> to the Rim, where he could run into Shadows?
JK>> There were actually three people involved. The doctor,
JK>> Benjamin
JH> Thanks for the refresh. How did Lyta scan Kosh through the
JH> suit, unless she's more powerful than Talia?
She didn't. Kosh opened the suit, allowing Lyta to make physical contact
with him (and I still maintain that she saw what was in the encounter suit as
well), and that's how she was able to scan him.
JK>> Laurel Takashima, the second-in-command, was involved in
JK>> the assassination attempt up to her neck, and she was the
JK>> staff member who was transferred out to the Rim (this was
JK>> something that JMS said in posts and the like); a lot of us
JK>> believe that she'll be back as a Shadow agent before the
JK>> story is finished.
JH> Sounds almost too coincidental, except that it's not too
JH> unreasonable to "sentence" someone to a distant post where
JH> you won't have to deal with them again (hopefully)... still,
JH> there could be a contact in Earthdome who knew she'd make a
JH> good Shadow operative... or she already was and was just
JH> going to the Rim to report and receive a new assignment.
That's one possibility. Someone in C&C let the Narn one-man pod that
brought the Minbari assassin onto the station through. Someone arranged it that
Del Varner, a man with five convictions for tech-running in the EA, managed to
arrive on the station and not get busted by security. Someone blanked out the
computer records on the problem with the transport tube that Sinclair had while
on the way to the docking bay to meet Kosh on his arrival. There's a few more
points here that could be made against Takashima as well.
John
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Msg : 220 of 322
From : John Kahane 1:163/198.5 .òp 13 .þí 95 12:35
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : Vorlon Immortality 2
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In a message of , Jeff Hancock scribed:
JK> JH>> Surprised? I don't remember Morden seeming that
JK> JH>> surprised, he was as confident as ever.
JK>> Watch the episode again, Jeff, if you can. :) Morden was
JH> That one I can't, although I did see it a few times.
Hmmm... oh well...
JK>> surprised to see the Vorlon the first time and hid from him
JK>> in one of the off-shoot tunnels from the docking bays when
JK>> Kosh returned to the
JH> I remember that scene, more or less, just not that he looked
JH> all that surprised.
I guess it's really a matter of interpretation about the whole sequence,
isn't it? I thought he was somewhat surprised, and Joe has said that the
Shadows who are always with Morden tried to open the suit to find out what was
inside. That's how the suit got damaged.
JK>> He avoided Kosh for most of the episode, and the final
JK>> confrontation
JH> Was there anything else in the show aside from that and the
JH> final encounter to suggest that Kosh was trying to find
JH> Morden, or that Morden was trying to avoid Kosh? I thought we
JH> only saw them those two times.
That's right...but the evidence in the two sequences is clear. The first
time, Morden is avoiding Kosh as he comes down the hallway by going into the
side tunnel very quickly and quietly. The second time, Morden confronts Kosh by
Kosh's design, not Morden's.
JK>> with Kosh was the latter's doing, not Morden's idea. JMS
JK>> has said that it was the Shadows that are always with Morden
JK>> that attacked Kosh, not Morden personally, and that they
JK>> were the ones who damaged the encounter suit.
JH> I wonder when this will be "officially" revealed in the show.
I suspect that this may be revealed when we learn, in flashback, about the
encounter between Kosh and Morden in "SaP."
JH> You may not have thought that highly of _ItSoZ_ because most
JH> of it were things you had already figured out or had heard
JH> comments about from JMS, but there are undoubtedly fans
JH> without those contacts who hadn't put the pieces together in
JH> that way.
Oh, I suspect that's true. But the hints about Morden's origins have been
around since he first showed up in "SaP"; it's just a matter of fans paying
attention (something that has to be done in this series, because of all the
continuity and on-going plots) to what occurred in the past. Comments made by
characters also help in this regard...
JK> JH>> Which point exactly, that the Shadows were always with
JK> JH>> Morden, that the Shadows attacked Kosh, or that the
JK> JH>> knowledge was plundered before the attack? I'm not sure
JK> JH>> which part of your statement was confirmed.
JK>> Joe confirmed that the Shadows are always with Morden
JK>> (which was confirmed by Delenn in "In the Shadow of
JK>> Z'ha'dum"), and that it was the Shadows that attacked Kosh
JK>> and damaged the encounter suit in "Signs and Portents."
JH> Okay... you did say "latter", but it still seemed a bit
JH> ambiguous.
Yeah, I can see that it might have sounded somewhat ambiguous in
retrospect. At least, we've got this one cleared up now. Sort of like the
business with Delenn's bit about Kosh being Vorlon and the Vorlons being one of
the First Ones in "ItSoZ." It seems a lot of the folks who saw the story got
confused about whether Kosh was the last of the Vorlons and all that.
JK>> Morden's knowledge being taken by Kosh is the only
JK>> explanation of how Kosh could have known what happened
JK>> to the Icarus, and it's something that explains the
JK>> sequence that we saw in "ItSoZ"; the perspective we seem
JK>> to have is that of Morden, if you watch it more critically.
JH> True, and yet... The first scene of the Icarus flyby could
JH> not have been Morden, unless they'd spaced him ;-), the next
JH> scene was a pan sideways of the Icarus crew unloading and
JH> setting things up; it seems unlikely that Morden would have
JH> been walking sideways and watching the ship instead of
JH> exploring the planet, and then finally the exploration scenes
JH> with the lights and the uncovering of the Shadow could very
JH> well have been his POV.
The earlier scenes you mention could have been through a Shadow pov,
either from an orbiting facility or from a Shadow sentry of some sort. Just my
guess, at this point.
JK> JK> JH>>> But not everything was from Morden's POV...
JK> JK>>> The vision of the events of the Icarus landing on
JK> JK>>> Z'ha'dum were not all from Morden's view, but it's also
JK> JK>>> likely that a Shadow viewpoint was also part of that -
JK> JK>>> something perhaps that is part
JK> JH>> Hmmm.... But if the Icarus woke up the Shadows on the
JK> JH>> surface of Za'ha'dum, then how could a Shadow ship have
JK> JH>> been in space to watch the Icarus before it landed?
JK>> Perhaps it wasn't a Shadow ship. Perhaps it was an automated
JK>> system that the Shadows, once awake, could have awareness of.
JK>> Perhaps it was a Vorlon or other First Ones orbital scanning/
JK>> surveillance device. Who knows?
JH> Possibly, possibly. I would favor the automated Shadow system
JH> for the flyby; if the Vorlons were involved you would think
JH> they would have done something to prevent the humans from
JH> awaking the Shadows.
While this is a valid point, one of the things you have to remember is
that the Vorlons don't tend to interfere in all things. We've seen this over
and over in the series, and perhaps it has more to do with the cyclical nature
of the universe and history. I get the impression that it was just a matter of
time before *someone* woke the Shadows again...it's ironic that it's the humans
who did it, and it's even more ironic perhaps that the Vorlons are still around
to help the lesser, newcomer races deal with them again.
JH> The pan of the ship unloading could have been from an awake
JH> Shadow, perhaps after Morden (or whomever) had found it and
JH> thus shown out of chronological sequence.
Good thinking. One possibility that I'd not considered.
John
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Msg : 221 of 322
From : John Kahane 1:163/198.5 .òp 13 .þí 95 12:49
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : Vorlon Immortality 2.1
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In a message of , Jeff Hancock scribed:
JH> There's no need for Morden to have provided those images,
JH> since we're assuming the Shadows implanted the memories of
JH> the flyby and the ship unloading in his head then they could
JH> have added memories of the first person to see and wake the
JH> Shadow.
A valid point. I suspect that the Shadows do provide some of their more
trusted agents - of which Morden certainly appears to be one - with a lot of
information and a lot of memories. This could be part of his arrangement.
JH> On the other claw, this could be partially memories that Kosh
JH> took from the _Shadows_, not Morden;
Another good point, and certainly an intriguing possibility. That would
mean that Kosh is a lot stronger than we've been led to believe, but it could
have been due to the element of surprise that the Shadows with Morden
experienced. Kosh pounced, at the right moment, of course. :)
JK> JK>>> Shadows and their agents are telepathically linked (I
JK> JK>>> refuse
JK> JH>> Telepathically, perhaps... but whatever it is, I don't
JK> JH>> think they're always in contact. While Morden is in
JK> JH>> custody, you can see him doing something which would
JK> JH>> seem to suggest he's making contact with the Shadows.
JK>> True. And yet, go back to "Chrysalis"... that's the episode
JK>> where he's sitting comfortably and the Shadows are on
JK>> either side of him talking to him. He's not communing or
JK>> meditating in that sequence to contact them. It strikes me
JK>> that his actions in "ItSoZ" while in custody was a blatant
JK>> attempt to get Sheridan to see the Shadows.
JH> How do you figure that?
Call it a gut instinct. There's the sequence right near the end, when (I
think it was) Sheridan is regarding the screen, and Morden looks straight at
him...and smiles that malicious smile of his. He *knew* exactly what was going
on, I think...
JH> He couldn't have known Sheridan was watching, or would know
JH> what to look for...
See my thoughts above. :)
JH> My guess is that when he did what he did, it was basically
JH> a signal saying "okay, we can talk now" and during Chrysalis,
JH> they were already talking.
I don't agree with you here at all. Just my impressions of the sequence...
And I'm inclined to think there's more to Morden than we even know at this
point.
JK> JH>> Curiously enough, it looks as if he's making a triangle
JK> JH>> with his fingers... What if he has one of those Minbari
JK> JH>> widgets, or perhaps the Minbari got them from the Vorlons
JK> JH>> or Shadows in some
JK>> We don't really know what the triangular symbol with his
JK>> hands was, but perhaps it's something from Shadow and other
JK>> First Ones religions that has been adopted by the Minbari
JK>> (and perhaps other races). I doubt very much that he has a
JK>> triluminary...
JH> Perhaps. Why would you doubt that? I mean, is it like
JH> something that can only be used by Minbari, or only for the
JH> Forces of Good , or some other such restriction?
Well, it has struck me that it's uses to this point have been associated
with Light, and that's something that the Shadows and Morden seem to have
avoided. I suspect that the triluminary may have been something handed down to
the Minbari by the "Vorlons" during the last skirmish with the Shadows some
1,000 years ago. Just a guess on my part, of course.
JK> JK>>> Actually the time of Valen and the Grey Council is about
JK> JK>>> 1,000 years ago, which fits in with the business of the
JK> JH>> Sorry, I was unclear. Obviously Minbari aren't told just
JK> JH>> because they joined the Grey Council, since then she
JK> JH>> would have known for longer than three years.
JK>> While this is possible, it also represents the fact that
JK>> Delenn had only been on the Grey Council for the last three
JK>> to five years or so, a recent recruit (in Minbari terms),
JK>> perhaps.
JH> Ummm... Delenn was with the Grey Council during the Earth-
JH> Minbari war over ten years ago, proposed courses of action,
JH> and interviewed prisoners. Does that sound like the actions
JH> of a "recent recruit", Minbari or no?
Oops... Something I'd forgotten about in all
the other detail we've been discussing. Hmm...
John
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Msg : 222 of 322
From : John Kahane 1:163/198.5 .òp 13 .þí 95 12:59
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : Vorlon Immortality 2.2
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In a message of , Jeff Hancock scribed:
JK>> that Valen balanced the Council with three from each caste
JK>> suggests that he felt that there was merit to having the
JK>> religious, warrior, and worker caste viewpoints in all
JK>> matters - something that the current Council seems to have
JK>> forgotten perhaps.
JH> I find it slightly odd that the Minbari are acting quite as
JH> hostile as they are. Aside from the Dark Star, they didn't
JH> suffer any real casualties, did they?
Not as far as we know. The casualties fo the E-M war have only been
really mentioned from the pov of the Humans, although we know that they lost a
rather large force when Sheridan did his thing with the Black Star.
JH> Aside from the insult of being told to surrender when they
JH> had beaten us, which is obviously still a fairly big deal, it
JH> seems a bit odd that they're so sensitive about war casualties.
JH> Kind of as if the E-M war was their Vietnam, except it wasn't.
Perhaps, but the Minbari went to war for religious reasons, given what had
occurred to the previous Minbari leader during the initial contact between the
two races. Sure, the Minbari Religious caste stopped the war, but didn't tell
the Warrior and Worker castes *why*. Those two castes must have felt humiliated
by the surrender to Earth when they were on the brink of victory. That would
certainly keep some of the hostility, if not hatred, alive.
JK>> impression that Neroon's mind was totally closed, once he
JK>> learned about humans having Minbari souls, and hence the
JK>> reason for the surrender to Earth. While he might still
JK>> know of the coming great evil and all, his own biases and
JK>> dislike of the Humans, evidenced in the stories that he's
JK>> appeared in, would prevent him from desiring or even wanting
JK>> the Humans' aid.
JH> Assuming again that the soul theory is correct, or has JMS
JH> confirmed it?
No, just a guess on my part. Joe hasn't really said all that much about
this, but if the soul theory were a deliberate falsehood on the part of the
Minbari, I don't think Joe would admit it at this time. Still, what does the
Minbari soul theory do when it comes to Delenn? Does she still have a Minbari
soul or not?
JK> JK>>> John Vornholt posted a message noting that the next book
JK> JK>>> in the series, his _Blood Oath_ (dealing with the Narns)
JK> JK>>> won't be out
JK> JH>> Considering what I keep hearing about them, doesn't sound
JK> JH>> like it'll be a loss.
JK>> I suppose not. Still, it would be nice to have some new B5
JK>> fiction to read during the six-month drought between new
JK>> episodes, now wouldn't it? I guess the comics will have to
JK>> serve during this time... *sigh*
JH> Well, they'll serve for me... finally got back on Voices.
JH> Thinking about it, I don't think it's so bad that most of it
JH> will be on Earth; after all one of the reasons for the comic
JH> was said so that they could show parts of the B5 universe that
JH> they couldn't afford to do on the show, and Earth should be
JH> much the same. The show can't cover *everything*, after all.
This is certainly what one would think, right? :) The comics have been a
lot more entertaining and informative, as far as I am concerned, than the
novels. But this is something that I think is much harder to do with the
novels. John Vornholt and JMS both said that the third novel has been delayed
because of the corrections and modifications that had to be made to it, likely
based on the Narn lore and canon. _Voices_ was an entertaining read, imo, but
I'll never think of the book as canon.
JH> I don't suppose you can get a copy of the full JMS/Claudia
JH> interview that was in the letter column to #7, could you?
JH> Great stuff there. Oh, and if you could get that GIF...
I haven't got my copy of the seventh issue of the comic, yet, but I know
the interview you're referring to. If Nicolai is willing, I'll post the whole
thing here on the echo...but it'll be some nine or so posts in length, iirc.
John
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Msg : 223 of 322
From : Marc Zingarelli 1:226/110 .òp 13 .þí 95 14:30
To : Jack Butler
Subj : Highlander Novels
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
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JACK BUTLER was overheard talking in "Joe's" about Highlander Novels and
said:
JB> Okay, here's the scoop. The first Highlander novel, "The Element of
JB>Fire" by Jay Henders, will be out around October. The second novel,
JB>"Scimitar" by Ashley McConnell, will be released after that.
Another thing to wait through a boring summer for! Thanks for the info
Later
Marc
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Msg : 224 of 322
From : John Kahane 1:163/198.5 .òp 13 .þí 95 18:55
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : Vorlon Immortality 3
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
In a message of , Jeff Hancock scribed:
JK>> There's been all kinds of speculations, Jeff...things
JK>> about angels, and the like - but Joe has said that only
JK>> one person has actually guessed the truth about the Vorlons.
JK>> And he wouldn't say who...
JH> Hmmmm...did he say anything else, such as that the person
JH> had said it on the usenet conference?
No, not really. But given that the stuff he says on GEnie, CIS, and other
places usually filters down to the usenet level, it could have been anyone. That
said, I believe that it may have been someone on Usenet. But folks have been
posting about B5 since "The Gathering" came out, and it could have been someone
way back in late 1993 or early 1994.
JH> You could work it in reverse and review all the ideas
JH> posted and eliminate all the ones that multiple people have
JH> suggested or agree with. ;-)
No way, Jeff...I'd have to go through all the mail that has been posted in
the rasftvb5 and other newsgroups for at least two years. Not for love, but for
money, maybe... :)
JH> Anyway, judging by the #7 lettercol, we will know in October.
Joe's been saying this for a while now, Jeff. Actually, he said this when
he discussed the final eight episodes (before we knew about the October delay
and all). You really should get back on the B5 Echo regularly, if nothing else.
:)
JK> JK>>> we don't know all that much about some of the races,
JK> JK>>> although there have been hints in the medical episodes
JK> JK>>> about physiologies
JK> JH>> About how they would recognize Kosh as an ancient one?
JK> JH>> I'm not following. You mean it's something physical?
JK>> I suspect so. Remember Kyle's reaction to Kosh in "The
JK>> Gathering"? There's also the bit that was posted here from
JK>> the scene
JH> Not really. But I don't get what you're saying here... I
JH> don't mean how Kosh looks, you suggested that alien
JH> physiologies had something to do with how they would recognize
JH> Kosh as a First One, or something like that... I'm still not
JH> sure what, and I think a vital quote got cut out somewhere
JH> along the way (must not have seemed vital at the time).
Nope, no quotes got cut. My whole point here is that, contrary to popular
opinion, I don't think Kosh is going to be an angel or any sort of religious
figure. Something that Dr. Kyle saw (and possibly Lyta Alexander saw) when he
looked into the Vorlon's encounter suit - about the Vorlon's physiological
appearance - is important to the discovery/revelation of what Kosh looks like.
But I'm in the dark as much as anyone else as to taking a guess as to what Kosh
looks like and what the important physiological trait might be.
JK>> that was cut from the 2-hour movie, where Kyle talks to
JK>> Laurel Takashima, and tells her that he's "been changed"
JK>> by what he saw. Something to think about.
JH> Not as badly as Delenn. ;)
True, but Delenn's transformation comes from religious belief, I think,
and a firm committment to Valen's prophecy. Whatever she saw in Kosh influenced
the decision, but it's also possible that Kosh may well have manipulated Delenn.
He's certainly done a lot of manipulating in the series so far. :)
JH> I just don't see how they're going to show Kosh and have us,
JH> the viewing audience, immediately undergo some form of
JH> revelation and understand what all the puzzle pieces
JH> concerning Kosh throughout the series to date add up to,
JH> without falling back on some form of cliche or being totally
JH> confusing and not providing those answers.
I just hope that most of the folks won't be disappointed in what Kosh is,
given the hype that's leading up to this revelation. Personally, I hope it's
something that is very science fiction-y.
JK> JK>>> "Confessions and Lamentations" had one of these as well,
JK> JK>>> in a Lousy joke, though...
JK> JK>>> Do you suppose this is the homeworld that JMS said
JK> JK>>> would be destroyed? I thought it would be that of a
JK> JK>>> major race.
JK>> Yes, the Markab homeworld is the one that was meant by
JK>> Joe.
JH> I sense a discussion between you and Chris very shortly. ;-)
Actually, there doesn't have to be a discussion between me and Chris about
this at all. Since I posted the original message to you on this one, I've had
time to think about what Joe has said in the past and about the whole Markab
plague business. The Markab are *not* the major race that Joe meant. The Narn
are.
JK>> nice touch, a rather brutal kind of lesson, and something that
JK>> most of the fans weren't expecting. As for the Markab being a
JK>> "major
JH> A little foreshadowing might have been nice... as it is, it
JH> almost seems more of an AIDS parable than anything else.
Personally, I thought it was something of an AIDS parable, but I think in
actual fact it relates more to the Black Death kind of thing. That killed
three-quarters of the population of Europe when it struck, and the death of the
Markab species struck a chord in the same fashion for me.
JK>> race" or not, who knows what they might have accomplished
JK>> during the series? Their legends spoke of the Shadows and
JK>> their servants, so perhaps the plague wasn't an "accident
JK>> of nature" at all. :)
JH> Hey now, let's not get TOO paranoid about 'em! Now, back to
JH> my theory about how the Shadows are behind Bureau 13...
*chuckle* hehe Yeah, there's that element of paranoia that strikes, but
with B5 you can't help it. :) It was just a thought that crossed my mind,
simply because there's now a de-populated world that has all sorts of potential.
JK> JH>> While I'm thinking of it, someone mentioned the
JK> JH>> number 2.5 showing up in B5 a number of times, do you
JK> JH>> suppose it's also a coincidence that both station
JK> JH>> captions happen to share the creator's first and last
JK> JH>> initials? ;)
JK>> I'm not sure I understand what you mean here...
JH> Jeff Sinclair.
JH> John Sheridan.
JH> J.M. S.
JH> ^ ^ Notice a trend? It's as if the captain character is
JH> his alter-ego.
The reason I didn't understand what you meant here was because you wrote
"caption" in place of "captain" in the above... :) That said, Joe has said
numerous times that there's no coincidental about it and that it wasn't
deliberate on his part.
JH> Speaking of which, do you know if JMS has ever appeared in
JH> the series as a background actor?
Nope, Joe has never appeared in the series because he feels that he's not
photogenic enough and because he doesn't do that sort of things on series that
he writes and produces. Ron Thornton and a couple of the other folks have
appeared in the series before, however.
John
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Msg : 225 of 322
From : John Kahane 1:163/198.5 .òp 13 .þí 95 19:20
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : Vorlon Immortality 3.1
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
In a message of , Jeff Hancock scribed:
JK> JK> JK>>>> with Kosh's earlier talk with Sheridan about
JK> JK> JK>>>> teaching and preparing him "to fight legends."
JK> JK> JH>>> Yes, but what legends exactly?
JK> JK>>> The legends are the Shadows, obviously. Since they are
JK> JH>> Yes, but... They'd be our legends too, and what legends
JK> JH>> are there on Earth of anything like the Shadows?
JK>> One never knows, does one? I could have said "Only the
JK>> Shadow(s) know"... but that would have been rather tacky
JK>> of me.
JH> Yes, it would have been.
:) And I wouldn't do something like that. :)
JH> Guess I'll just have to assume that they're legends of B5's
JH> Earth, and not ours, without getting too generic. At least
JH> Za'ha'dum wasn't brimstone and fire pits.
Now *that* would have been tacky. :) Mind you, I was half expecting
something like the mines of Moria or some such, and it was sort of like that.
Very evil feel, very evil looking place, and very sad. As for the legends part,
I've got to agree on this one...that's pretty much my take on it.
JK>> Yes, similar enough to the legends of other races, that
JK>> there is a very large grain of truth here. No different
JK>> than some of the legends that we see on Earth. All cultures
JK>> have vampire legends of some sort, faeries are common to
JK>> quite a few cultures (even if the nature and shape of
JK>> faeries differs), dragons in Eastern tales, and the like.
JH> True, true... but I'd like to see how the Shadows fit in
JH> with *our* legends, if there is any equivalancy.
And once we learn more about the Shadows, you may get your wish about
this. There's just so much going on in the B5 storyline that we don't know, and
the Shadows are a large part of this right now.
JH> Even allowing for differences, such as the difference between
JH> dragons of one story or another, what do the Shadows resemble
JH> other than just "demons" or "devilspawn"?
That's not enough? :) But as for dragons, I'm not talking about stories
here, I'm talking about cultures. Sure, dragons (as the example) have
similarities between all cultures in the folklore, but there are differences -
sometimes vast ones. There's a biiiiiiiig difference between cultural tales and
mere stories.
JK> JK>>> I don't think so. The Shadows that we saw in "ItSoZ"
JK> JK>>> didn't appear to be spider-like to me at all.
JK> JH>> Then what do you think they look like? I dunno, I see
JK> JH>> the eyes, the legs, the shape, and think spider.
JK>> I'm not going to comment on what they look like at this
JK>> point.
JH> What do you mean, you won't comment?
Exactly that. :)
JH> If you were going to describe the Shadows to someone, what
JH> would you say? Without going into some convoluted "cross
JH> between a" description, "spider" is the closest (although
JH> still a good bit off) animal I can think to compare them to.
I would have to say, assuming I was going to say anything, that they
reminded me of a cross between a spider and a preying mantis. But my
original thoughts on the Shadows when they first appeared with their ships was
more octopoidal. Whereas Kosh's ship struck me more as squid-like. However, I
prefer Joe's description of the Shadows - they're spider-like, but not spiders.
JK>> Suffice it to say, I have a distinct theory about the
JK>> Shadows. And the creature we saw on Z'ha'dum didn't
JK>> appear to be spider-like at all, like I said. :)
JH> So let's hear it, then. Or are you waiting for it to be
JH> revealed so you can say "I knew that"? ;)
Nope, I'm not waiting for that at all. Suffice it to say, that I just
don't want to get into a long, drawn-out argument about this when we have a good
four months before seeing anything new in B5.
John
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Msg : 226 of 322
From : John Kahane 1:163/198.5 .òp 13 .þí 95 19:29
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : Vorlon Immortality 3.2
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
In a message of , Jeff Hancock scribed:
JK> JH>> Someone needs to update the Logbook, then.
JK>> Personally, the Logbook is a wonderful thing, but it's
JK>> based on supposition and assumptions made by the writer.
JH> What else, if there's no author contact? At least with B5
JH> there is, for a change.
The fact that there is author contact means that changes and modifications
should be made to it on a constant basis. That's been my experience with other
things of a similar nature. Heck, the B5 files that I created are constantly
undergoing change. The only stuff that isn't are the episode guides and reviews
(of the ones that are complete).
JK>> hasn't updated the thing, or that he didn't pay attention
JK>> to what Joe said about this (if the writer has access to
JK>> Internet/GEnie at all) is another matter. But if you're
JK>> going to do something like the Logbook, then you've got to
JK>> update it once per season, so...
JH> So you think this will be fixed next time around?
I should hope it would be. And more often than once per season. Probably
twice per year, if nothing else.
JK> JH>> Let's hope so, and while they're at it, when does JMS say
JK> JH>> we'll hear from Draal again?
JK>> Later this season, Jeff.
JH> *This* season? Unveiling of Kosh *and* Draal *and* some other
JH> unspecified "ohmigosh" happenings in only what appear to
JH> possibly be the four most important episodes so far that due
JH> to the total idiocy of corporate sponsorship are only going to
JH> be shown once four months from now? Say it ain't so.
It's so, Jeff, it's so... *sigh* :< The only good news right now is that
the Brits and Euros aren't going to see it until after the Americans do. A
minor consolation, I suppose. :)
JK> JK> JK>>>> I wouldn't be surprised to find something totally
JK> JK> JK>>>> predictable underneath the Vorlon encounter suit.
JK> JK> JH>>> I suppose he'll look like the classic cliche of God?
JK> JK>>> Nope, not like God or an angel. That's been the
JK> JK>>> consensus on some of the B5 echoes and newsgroups, and
JK> JK>>> to be honest with you,
JK> JH>> What was the consensus, that Kosh would, or wouldn't?
JK>> That Kosh would look like an angel or God, but since
JK>> Joe's said that only one person got it right, well... ;)
JH> Well what, you're waiting to find out it'll be you? ;)
Nope, I wasn't even on Usenet at that time. :)
JH> So what's your predictable, yet almost totally overlooked
JH> hypothesis?
Nice try, but no cigar. :) Frankly, I just don't think Kosh is going to
be something like a predictable figure out of religion or some such. That would
be kind of silly, given the science fiction nature of B5, for one thing; for
another, the business about the angels and all would tie in to the Minbari soul
business I suspect, and that would be too much coincidence - sort of like giving
Sinclair the connection to the Shadows as well.
JK>> Could be. I don't personally think so, since that
JK>> doesn't seem to make sense within the context of the First
JK>> Ones, and Joe's a bit more subtle than that, imo.
JH> I'd prefer it if he'd just use the brick method on this one. ;)
He can't use the brick method on this one, Jeff, simply because there's
been so much hype and all around this element of the series that a lot of fans
are likely to be very disappointed with the outcome, regardless.
JH> Well, as you will know from the online chat, Joe has said
JH> that "the story will be told", in one form or another.
Yeah, there is that. :) Even if we don't know what he means by it, or
what form it might take. Personally, I don't know whether it would effectively
come across in novels or comics or whatever medium...tv is where it's at,
although I could see films. However, he'd need a backer for that.
JH> ...the top syndicated shows, and B5 wasn't even on the top
JH> twenty. Granted it's doing reruns, but still... How does it
JH> usually rank?
JMS has said, iirc, that B5 ranks consistently in the top ten syndicated
shows, and that it's been in the better half of that circle for long periods of
time during first-run episodes. But don't quote me on that - it's been a long
time since I've seen a ratings post from him.
John
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Msg : 227 of 322
From : Gloria Darcy 1:124/8107 .òp 13 .þí 95 19:58
To : Pamela Crossett
Subj : HighLander, The Series
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Hi Pamela! I must have missed that! I don't recall Jack hinting that some
regulars wouldn't be back. I'm glad, too, that Amanda survived Kallas. I've
always liked her character. She has spunk and is fun-natured and a good
side-kick for Duncan. She brings out his fun side, too, I think. I hate
summertime! I always have to wait so long for the season opener of my fave
shows like the Highlander, and the X-Files. And boy, were we left hanging on
the X-Files BIG TIME! Man!
Gloria
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Msg : 228 of 322
From : Gloria Darcy 1:124/8107 .òp 13 .þí 95 20:01
To : Jack Butler
Subj : Crosspost
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Oh! Thanks for clearing up that Roger Daltrey question. You're right, of
course, as you always are! Our Highalnder Guru. What would we do without you?
:)
Gloria
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Msg : 229 of 322
From : Gloria Darcy 1:124/8107 .òp 13 .þí 95 20:02
To : John Kahane
Subj : Earth 2/So Long
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Oh. You already knew it was cancelled? I didn't. I heard here after the fact
that it had been cancelled. Haven't had much time for the BBS boards lately now
that I'm working 2 jobs. Yeah, it kind of left me numb, too, only because I
didn't really know if Devon was dead or not. I didn't like that ending very
much.
Gloria
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Msg : 230 of 322
From : Frank Glover 1:2613/477 .òp 13 .þí 95 20:21
To : Mark Jones
Subj : Re: Torres in Faces
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
MJ> And suppose half the crew decides they *want* to stay? After all,
MJ> why
MJ> spend most of your life in a starship risking death by accident,
MJ> attack or simple failure of systems that aren't being maintained
MJ> properly (because they *can't* be) when you'll only get back home
MJ> after 70 years anyhow? Why not stay on a very pleasant, friendly
MJ> world and build a new life there?
MJ>
MJ> How does Janeway and the command crew handle this? Do they lock
I suppose they stay. No ship can handle a sufficently large defection. One
might try the kind of minimal crew modifications that Scotty did in ST:III, but
that requires virtually nothing going wrong in the meantime, no suprises,
nothing. (Kirk expected to take The Enterprise with only McCoy to the Genesis
planet, beam up Spock's body, and go to Mt Selaya on Vulcan. He didn't count on
his senior officers accompanying him, and couldn't anticipate the Klingon
presence out there. The engagement with them was more than the automations
could, or were expected to handle...and, as you say, Voyager may have to do the
whole 70 year trip.)
I would want to keep trying to get home, but you can't forec that desire on
those who may have given up. One civilization already enticed them to stay, and
those who obtained their technology without authorization also already showed
Janeway that she doesn't have the luxury of normal disciplinary procedures out
there.
You win, show ends.
Frank
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Msg : 231 of 322
From : Frank Glover 1:2613/477 .òp 13 .þí 95 20:26
To : Mark Jones
Subj : Re: ST: The Next Generation
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
MJ> Well, since I think 24th century medicine should be vastly more
MJ> effective than it appears to be, I'm willing to let them slide on
MJ> that
MJ> one. (But they're good questions nonetheless.)
Agreed. For one, control of the aging process will come *well* before that,
and possibly in time for some of us today.
But, since all we have to work with are 20th Century actors who *do* age, I
suppose one has to accept it for now. (Still, a 140 year old Leonard McCoy
suggests *some* advancement, though not much....)
Frank
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Msg : 232 of 322
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .òp 13 .þí 95 22:51
To : TOM HUBER
Subj : HUBER WRITES
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> Asimov had politics, but they weren't an extension of today. More what we
-> might see in the future. I've done the same thing with my series and used a
-> "what if" approach to today's social problems. What if we passed such and
-> such a law? What would be the impact upon society and what kind of problems
-> might arise because of such a law? That's a central theme to
Hi Tom!
I enjoyed your replies to my messages. You have interesting ideas and you
articulate them with great precision.
By the way, in the quote above, you refer to "my series." Are you an author?
Pardon me if I've missed your work. Please fill me in if you do write books,
stories, or articles. I'd be keen to read more of your work!
Cheers,
Robert Lidgren
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Msg : 233 of 322
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .òp 13 .þí 95 22:53
To : TOM HUBER
Subj : EARTH 2/SO LONG
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> Heh! I've got my own SF series in the works and although it is
-> considerably different from Earth 2 (or Trek, for that matter), there are a
-> lot of complex social issues around. There are a lot of politics in the
-> story, and those that come to realize what is happening find ways to work
-> the system to their advantage... Of course, I wouldn't have to write SF to
-> tell that story today - there's enough of that already happening.
Greetings Tom!
Well, SHUT MY MOUTH WIDE OPEN! I read the answer to my own question in this
message from you! It sounds like a series of novels I must read. Have they
been published yet?
Cheers,
Robert Lidgren
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Msg : 234 of 322
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .òp 13 .þí 95 23:05
To : NICOLE WILSON
Subj : EARTH 2/SO LONG
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Hi Nicole!
You said:
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-> I guess I'm 58? and don't forget to add the 60 or so people in the Earth2
-> fido echo, as well as the rather sizeable (hundreds) group on AOL, and the
-> groups of similar sizes on GEnie, Prodigy, Delphi, Compuserve and the
-> Usenet, (alt.tv.earth2) as well as the WWW pages (4 run by MCA, and 5
-> fan-run pages) which are being visited rather frequently. I can't believe
-> everything that's been going on as far as Earth 2 is concerned. Earth 2
-> stuff is everywhere on the nets.
-------------------------------------------------------
Well, I am embarrassed to admit I was ignorant or Earth 2 comments in these
"OTHER" areas. Thankyou for filling me in!
RANDOM EXTRA COMMENTS:
As I type, MY tv is on over my shoulder. A&E is presenting a documentary on
the propaganda techniques of Joseph Goebbels. The horrors are harder to take
now that I have quite a bit more life-experience under my belt and a family of
my own.
Science fiction has frequently used the Nazi era as a good metaphor for
dissecting facsist and dictatorial societies in the future. What is so
alarming is that thousands, if not millions, of people were "taken in" by the
emotional night time Nazi rallies, the use of "heroic" symbols and salutes from
the Roman Empire, and the use of FILM to manipulate the emotions of the public.
It reminds me of the cliche that still maintains power: "All it takes for evil
to triumph is for enough 'good people' to do NOTHING."
Cheers,
Robert Lidgren
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Msg : 235 of 322
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .òp 13 .þí 95 23:17
To : JEFF SCHLENKER
Subj : EARTH 2/SO LONG
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> What happened to the good ole days when shows were given a chance. I
-> remember a little sitcom called Cheers (my favorite of all time) that, in
-> it's first season, was near the bottom in the ratings. We all know what
-> happened to that show, now don't we. :)
BRAVO!! Well done!
Gee, that's a damn fine example of just what we want to happen now!
May I also be so bold and give another powerful example??
Thirty years ago, or so, a TV network cancelled Star Trek. Look what can
happen when there is enough fan support. Not only didn't the Star Trek
universe nor Roddenberry's philosophy die out but it's still thriving TODAY.
Now, it may have its detractors and even I sometimes worry about fans, perhaps,
fixating on it too much, nevertheless it HAS SURVIVIED and THRIVES because our
sense of a very real human propensity. We crave SOME sense that the future is
a place where we will find hope, improvement and human beings not just simply
"surviving" but progressing towards some better way to live.
I think the "Cyberpunk" novels and films have a quality which is sometimes
disappointing. They are so bloody dark! Living on earth seems to be
transformed into a VERY LOW common denominator. Strife, drug abuse, a
PERMANENT UNDERCLASS, heros who are mostly anti-heros, young people who seem to
have no role models other than gang leaders, etc., etc. I don't mean to say
all we want is some sugar-coated, Pollyanna view of the future but for goodness
sake, let's strive for something better, something uplifting and something
which makes us greater than we are in 1995 with the Bosnia Conflict as an
archetype for what may be ahead!
Cheers,
Robert Lidgren
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Msg : 236 of 322
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .òp 13 .þí 95 23:44
To : ALL
Subj : Earth 2 Cross Post
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Ahem!!!
While reading REC.ARTS.SF.TV I came upon the following message.
It contains ideas re: resurecting Earth 2, or at least the address for the
Earth 2 e-mail Newsletter. Check it out if this is of interest to you:
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Date: 06-13-95 (01:43) Number: 18168 of 18170 (Refer# NONE)
To: ALL
From: gc3@infinet.com, George Cifrancis
Subj: Re: UPN May Pick Up E2 !!!
Newsgroups: alt.tv.earth2
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
From: gc3@infinet.com (George Cifrancis)
Subject: Re: UPN May Pick Up E2 !!!
Date: 12 Jun 1995 19:16:49 GMT
Organization: InfiNet
References:
Message-ID: <3ri3r1$iuc@horus.infinet.com>
AniMaAmin (animaamin@aol.com) wrote:
: After every E2 episode, I write a nice E-mail letter to NBC thanking them
: for airing it. I also ask them to please continue to show reruns through
: the summer... and also ask them to reconsider their cancellation. It
: doesn't hurt to "make nice" and perhaps we will AT LEAST get our reruns,
: continue to build our viewer base, and attract more folks to our letter
: writing campaign. Here are the NBC addresses (peebeeone is Preston
: Beckman, FYI):
: peebeeone@aol.com
: viewersv@nbc.com
: viewersv@corpcomm.nbc.com
Well I just got the new TV Guide here in Columbus, Ohio and they are showing
2 episodes of Fresh Prince at 7pm (the normal slot for E2). They are still
showing ShitQuest at 8pm though. I'd hate to say it, but it looks like
we won't be seeing Earth 2 anymore. 8-(
George C.
EARTH 2 Foundations
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Msg : 237 of 322
From : Boris CDuke 2:463/2.22 .óá 17 .þí 95 21:39
To : Like&Lee
Subj : Zelazny IS DEAD!
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Ïîçâîëþ ñåáå âûñêàçàòü íåìåðÿíûå ïðèâåòñòâèÿ Like&Lee!
A sad day for all science fiction fans.
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Date: 16 Jun 1995 07:20:07 EST
From: CHRISTINE T CALLAHAN
To: cstu@loc.gov
Subject: DEATH IN SF FAMILY
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AUTHOR: CHRISTINE T CALLAHAN
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Washington Post, Fri. morning: Roger Zelazny died June 16th of
complications from cancer.
Þßßß Ñ íåìåðÿíûìè,
ÞÝßÛ
ÞÝÛÛ îðèñ
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Msg : 238 of 322
From : Boris CDuke 2:463/2.22 .òp 20 .þí 95 23:13
To : All
Subj : zelazny
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
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* Forwarded by Boris CDuke (2:463/2.22)
* Area : NETMAIL001 (GEcho Netmail)
* From : Boris CDuke, 2:463/2.22 (Âòp Èþí 20 1995 23:12)
* To : Like&Lee
* Subj : zelazny
=============================================================================
Ïîçâîëþ ñåáå âûñêàçàòü íåìåðÿíûå ïðèâåòñòâèÿ Like&Lee!
> Here are some additional details. Zelazny died last night of from liver
> malfunction which was the result of colin cancer. He apparently did not
> tell anyone that he had cancer except for a few close friends and family.
> The condition had been in remission until recently.
> Austin
> adridge@panix.com
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Msg : 239 of 322
From : Brian Henderson 1:207/241 .åò 15 .þí 95 15:46
To : Frank Eva
Subj : B5 Reruns???
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
FE> Do you mean videotaped copies of programs that air in England in
FE> August?
Yes we do. Converted from PAL to NTSC (there are people there with
multi-format machines) who would be happy to send us copies after they
air.
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Msg : 240 of 322
From : Brian Henderson 1:207/241 .åò 15 .þí 95 15:48
To : David Johnston
Subj : B5 Ripoff: Ds9
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
DJ> Actually Babylon 5 is slowly starting to get on my nerves.
DJ> Apparently by the time the series is over, Earth will be a full
DJ> blown dictatorship. This is not the direction I would prefer. I
DJ> would at least like to see some signs of opposition developing
DJ> against the trend.
Who has ever said that?!?!? In fact, much the opposite is likely. Earth
is, as we are discovering, a full-blown dictatorship *NOW* under the
power of Bureau 13 and Psi-Corps. The President is just a puppet,
involved in the murder of his predecessor, but who runs the government
with an iron hand.
If anything, we'll see Bureau 13 and Psi-Corps fall before the end of
the series.
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Msg : 241 of 322
From : Brian Henderson 1:207/241 .åò 15 .þí 95 15:50
To : Jim Cushing
Subj : B5 Ripoff: Ds9
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
JC> Sorry Brian DS9 is syndicated and therefore UPN has no control over
JC> it.
UPN is an arm of Paramount, hence Paramount, which controls both, can
certainly cancel Voyager and DS9 as they wish. Unlike Warner, which is
very segmented, Paramount is an overbody which directly controls all
arms of the company. Warner is set up like parallel companies, each
competing with one another (which is why Babylon-5 will never appear on
WBN, since WBN and PTEN are in direct competition with one another).
JC> You stated earlier that UPN is cancelling every show except Voyager.
JC> Don't you mean you watch B-5 on the UPN affilate?
Correction, UPN is cancelling (almost) every Paramount show, the
exception now possibly being Legend. If they were cancelling everything,
we wouldn't have news, etc.
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Msg : 242 of 322
From : Brian Henderson 1:207/241 .åò 15 .þí 95 15:54
To : Jim Cushing
Subj : B5 Ripoff: Ds9
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
JC> Get real! If what you say is true then I guess you believe that
JC> shows like Three's Company and Charlie's Angels were created for and
JC> viewed by the "kid" audience. I don't know about you but when I was
JC> 16(a loonngg time ago) the last thing I wanted to do was to watch
JC> TV.
Nevertheless, in every demographics I've ever seen for TNG, and I would
assume the same goes for Voyager (but perhaps not DS9), the majority of
fans are assumed to be teenage males. The second largest segment are
males, aged 16-35. In both cases, it appeals almost exclusively to a
male audience, mostly a young male audience.
What the heck would Three's Company and Charlie's Angels have to do with
Star Trek?
JC> Your missing the key word "Syndication"! When TNG proved that SF did
JC> not have to be shown on network to be successful it opened doors for
JC> shows like B-5, Highlander, Forever Knight. TNG had that built in
JC> audience that "helped" it succeed. B-5 would not have been
JC> syndicated if not for the success of TNG.
And I'll agree with you here, since TNG pretty well invented first-run
syndcation. However, the original statement was that TNG opened the
door for *TELEVISION SCI-FI*, which is patently false.
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Msg : 243 of 322
From : Brian Henderson 1:207/241 .åò 15 .þí 95 15:57
To : Frank Eva
Subj : Babylon 5 (Pten)
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
FE> According to the latest TV Guide, B5 didn't even rank in the top 120
FE> shows this season... What gives?
Check the syndicated listings.
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9000
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Msg : 244 of 322
From : Brian Henderson 1:207/241 .åò 15 .þí 95 15:58
To : Ecarey
Subj : Babylon 5 (Pten)
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
EE> And that last is the critical point, of course. B5 isn't being
EE> specially put-upon; it's just a new show in a category the industry
EE> doesn't understand all that well, that hasn't had Trek's three
EE> decades yet to build its audience and \convince\ Warner to lavish
EE> money on it the way Paramount lavishes money on Trek.
Considering that Paramount has made their name and fortune on Star Trek,
something that Warner simply hasn't done, it is only understandable.
Star Trek is Paramount's cash cow.
EE> Remember, B5 has only just come to the end of its second season. At
EE> the end of ITS second season, Trek was \cancelled\ and saved only by
EE> the unprecedented enthusiasm of its fans. And in its third season,
EE> it was given a lousy time-slot and starved for funds.
Very true. Now that B5 has been officially renewed for season three,
and will be receiving, from what I understand, a substantial increase in
cash flow from Warner, we'll have to see what they do with it. Outside
of Star Trek, B5 is the only sci-fi show to have made it this far in 20
years.
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it.
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Msg : 245 of 322
From : Brian Henderson 1:207/241 .åò 15 .þí 95 16:01
To : Frank Eva
Subj : Cancellations
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
FE> Does this mean Legend is gone, too?
Legend was cancelled, but UPN has decided to give it a second chance to
redeem itself.
In the same vein, Sliders, which had been cancelled, has been given a
reprive as a mid-season replacement next year.
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MST3K
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Msg : 246 of 322
From : Brian Henderson 1:207/241 .åò 15 .þí 95 16:02
To : Frank Eva
Subj : Star Trek
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
FE> The examples you gave both deal with militarism. Have you ever
FE> thought that Gene Roddenberry may not have wanted his concept to be
FE> associated with war-mongering? So, this may not be a matter of the
FE> 'universe never changing', but rather the long-term emphasis being
FE> placed on peaceful solutions to crises...
Didn't both of these examples come up after GR died? If so, what
difference does it make? Roddenberry was riding a pipe dream if he
thought that humanity would suddenly stop fighting and participating in
wars, as TNG showed quite clearly.
There are other examples, however. Take the first season episode of TNG
in which the heads of Starfleet were taken over by those alien
parasites. The episode left you thinking "where are the rest of them,
and do they still pose a threat?" yet TNG dropped that plotline like a
hot rock.
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Msg : 247 of 322
From : Brian Henderson 1:207/241 .åò 15 .þí 95 16:06
To : Frank Eva
Subj : B5 Renewed!
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
FE> I always thought that given the choice, JMS could NOT turn down an
FE> opportunity to cash in on his own product. I don't blame him. If I
FE> had a popular property and could earn some money off it, I wouldn't
FE> hesitate. I think what makes this look bad is that prior to the
FE> offer, JMS took such a hard line against franchising B5. He now
FE> looks a bit hypocritical...
JMS has never, EVER said that there will be no marketing of B5 material,
only that the show will drive the marketing, not the marketing driving
the show. Star Trek has had to introduce too many new characters and
ships simply because Matchbox or whoever is chomping at the bit to make
more toys and action figures.
Everything that will bear the label for B5 goes past JMS' desk. If he
doesn't okay it personally, it doesn't get made.
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MST3K
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Msg : 248 of 322
From : Brian Henderson 1:207/241 .åò 15 .þí 95 16:13
To : Robert Lidgren
Subj : B5 Vs St 1/
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
RL> 3. A sufficiently "likeable" nature that we didn't ENTIRELY hate
RL> the guy.
Actually, what Khan had that no other Star Trek villain had was a
*MOTIVE*! He had an understandable, and probably correct reason for
feeling and acting like he did. Far too often, Star Trek has decided
that the good guys have to wear white hats so we'll know who they are
when this simply doesn't happen in real life.
Who is good and who is bad most often depends on whose side you're on.
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Msg : 249 of 322
From : Brian Henderson 1:207/241 .åò 15 .þí 95 16:17
To : Frank Eva
Subj : Babylon 5 (Pten)
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
FE> Just guessing, but it seems obvious to me that JMS is not going to
FE> let the B5 comics or novels advance the main storyline of B5: The TV
FE> Series.
JMS has already said that the novels and comics exist to both flesh out
the storyline with details not necessary to the main arc, and to go off
and tell new stories in the B5 universe.
FE> Last season, because of this episode, I speculated that Kosh's
FE> people were "energy beings", but then I was reminded that they do
FE> need an artificial "environment" inside B5, and that Kosh had
FE> actually been poisoned in one episode, both of which seem to imply
FE> more than an energy being is inside that encounter suit...
Unless, as has been suggested, Kosh does these things to lead people
off-track. Was he really poisoned, or was he simply testing mankind?
Does he need that environment and the suit, or does he use them for
concealment? Only time will tell...
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Msg : 250 of 322
From : Brian Henderson 1:207/241 .åò 15 .þí 95 16:29
To : Frank Eva
Subj : Voyager Nose Diving?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
FE> I have given it a chance. I taped all of the first 9 episodes, and
FE> will keep them in my collection. Since then, the quality has
FE> nosedived, and the writers seem content to rehash old themes.
Well, I'll agree with the last half. I watched the premiere movie, and
was so disgusted by the end that I turned off the tape and erased it.
FE> I have never expected a "continuing" story in any Star Trek. In
FE> fact, that is proving a major disadvantage for diehard B5 fans who
FE> have now been told that they won't have any more of the B5 story
FE> until next October. If this show hadn't been a continuing story, it
FE> would have been much easier to accept a major postponement, but to
FE> have 4 episodes postponed 4 months when you were expecting them now,
FE> is almost too much to bear, especially considering we won't even see
FE> the 2nd season "finale" this season!
Tell that to the trekkies who were whining all summer about Best of Both
Worlds. It isn't easy doing without a show you love, especially since
you have some reason to look forward to the new episodes.
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Msg : 251 of 322
From : Brian Henderson 1:207/241 .åò 15 .þí 95 16:31
To : Frank Eva
Subj : Who To Write To For B5
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
FE> RY>to B5 watchers! Converse with JMS on GEnie, CIS or Delphi!
FE> Or the internet at straczynski@genie.geis.com...
Or on Usenet on rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.
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Msg : 252 of 322
From : Ecarey 1:101/230 .åò 15 .þí 95 18:36
To : Pamela Crossett
Subj : SPOILERS
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
>tb> "While skinny dipping Pamela Crossett was talking to Mark Jones."
>
>tb> "Could you people PLEASE put spoiler alerts in your messages! DAMMIT!"
>
> Tammy,
>
> i'm sorry, but what is a spoiler alert? i will certainly put one in
> my future messages if you could clarify what it is. AND what it is
> for.
>
> thanks.
>
> and sorry for my ignorance.
A spoiler alert is a warning that there's a "spoiler" in the post, followed by
enough lines of blank screen to push the actual spoiler far enough down that the
person reading the post can read the spoiler warning without reading the
spoiler, and DECIDE if they want to read the spoiler.
A "spoiler" is something which reveals a important plot information about a
book, film, or episode of a television show.
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Msg : 253 of 322
From : Ecarey 1:101/230 .åò 15 .þí 95 18:55
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : B5 RENEWED!
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
> Far as I can tell, his objection is just to putting out "any old
> crap"
> JUST for merchandising. If he was putting in new ships and new races
> just to create action figures and playsets, or if he was making
> multiple
> spinoff series with no real point to them other than to sell more
> product, then that would be hypocritical.
Of course, RIGHT NOW, he wouldn't be able to \sell\ "multiple spinoff series",
whether there was a point to them or not. It's easy to be virtuous when nobody
is trying to tempt you.
RIGHT NOW, B5 has an awful lot of ancillary merchandise - books, comic books,
Micromachines, caps, jackets - and it has only just come to the end of its
second broadcast season. This much merchandise this soon is just not believable,
unless the merchandising plan was developed in parallel with the series
production plan.
And if there really is good quality control [a theory NOT supported by the
sloppiness of the novels, or the complaints I've seen here and elsewhere about
the comics], that would argue even more strongly for the plans having already
been \in place\ when the series first aired. You don't \get\ good control on a
rush job.
> If the fans are asking for this kind of material, well...
JMS has carefully cultivated the demand.
Which is not, after all, \sinful\. He's doing this for living, after all, NOT
out of a self-sacrificing desire to give his all for quality SF on television.
However much he wants to do \that\, TOO, he won't get to \continue\ doing it if
B5 doesn't turn a respectable profit. And there's no reason why he SHOULDN'T
make money off of producing good entertainment.
But it does make the desperate attempts to make B5 marketing look Pure and
Noble, while characterizing Trek marketing [which really did develop out of fan
demand \first\, including widespread fan infringement on Paramount's Trek
trademark] as wicked money-grubbing, look rather silly.
And it's not JMS we see those foolish attempts from, either.
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Msg : 254 of 322
From : Ecarey 1:101/230 .åò 15 .þí 95 19:01
To : Frank Eva
Subj : CONFESSIONS & LAMENTATION
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
> JK> The really neat thing is that the business with the Markabs
> is
> JK>not the "decimation of a major race's homeworld" that JMS has
> been
> JK>hinting at for a while. Looks like the dying hasn't even started
> JK>yet.
>
> Why do you say that? Couldn't it still be the Markabs that JMS was
> talking about when he said we'd see the "decimation of a major
> race's
> homeworld"?
Over on rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5, JMS has said that the death of the Markabs
\isn't\ the "decimation of a major race's homeworld" that he's promised.
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Msg : 255 of 322
From : Ecarey 1:101/230 .åò 15 .þí 95 19:06
To : Frank Eva
Subj : B5 FRANCHISING
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
> BB>He's never quite come out and said, "The B5 novels bite the wax
> BB>tadpole." But he's sure danced up to the edge of saying that; it
> BB>sounds like the deal he ended up with there is not the deal he
> BB>thought he had, and any hypothetical future books are going to be
> BB>written by people _he_ picks, rather than assigned to him by the
> BB>publisher.
>
FE> I don't care who he picks to write them, if he doesn't allow them to
>
> advance the storyline in any way...
Frank, B5 would be DEAD as a tv show, if it became necessary to go scurrying
after the comics and the novels just to be able to follow the storyline. So
unless you want to kill the series, this is silly complaint.
> BB>point of the TV show is that it should stand on its own - people
> BB>shouldn't _have_ to get anything but the show to follow the major
> BB>developments. We are fortunate in having secondary media that
> affect
> BB>the show at all: compare the Trek novels and comics, with their
> BB>total disconnection from the show.
>
FE> This is an UNfortunate consequence of there being a 5 year story
> "arc",
> which is something trek never had. Trek novelists had leeway to make
> good original sci-fi stories. All we get from B5 novelists is 'cloak
> and
> dagger' and 'murder-they-wrote'.
This isn't what the people who've written Trek novels say [and I know one of
them extremely well, and others more casually. The Trek novel writers all say
that the restrictions are extreme, often silly, and subject to change without
notice.
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Msg : 256 of 322
From : Brian Henderson 1:207/241 .åò 15 .þí 95 22:18
To : All
Subj : St Vs. B5
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Just wanted to throw in something from JMS on the ST vs. B5 thread.
This was originally posted on Compuserve, FYI.
Subj: What --Persecuted??!! Section: Babylon 5
To: Thursday, June 08, 1995 6:15:00 PM
From: J. Michael Straczynski, 71016,1644#234870
You have to step back and look at this from Paramount's
perspective. For 27 years, they've had a lock on space-based SF.
A monopoly. They could point to all the other space-SF series
which went by the boards quickly, and say, "See, we've lasted, so we
MUST be better."
If even ONE other show in this genre not only lasts, but
*succeeds*, then ST isn't the Only One anymore; it's just one of
two, or three, or more shows set in this genre. It isn't
unique (fiscally) anymore, and thus they are afraid they'll lose
some of its marketability, the franchise will weaken. If you wanted
something from our future, in space, then for 27 years you had only
one place to go: Trek.
They're *terrified* of losing or softening their franchise.
They're aware that support for DS9 is, in general, fairly soft;
Voyager is still getting its sea legs, and they don't want
anyone else coming up alongside and blindsiding them.
For our part, we have never responded in kind. When we
formed the B5 softball team, playing other shows, we happily
told the folks at ST that we'd love to play them sometime.
Thus far, no response. Can't imagine why.
jms
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Msg : 257 of 322
From : Tom Huber 1:115/477 .ÿò 16 .þí 95 23:12
To : Kay Shapero
Subj : What if
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11 94-0102
KS>Speaking of which, have you read STEEL BEACH by John Varley? Takes a
>number of really impressive "what ifs" and has a great time exploring 'em.
> (Got the doggondest first sentence, too. :->)
I'll ad that one to my list, Kay. I've heard some good things about this
story from other people, so I'll have to grab a copy.
KS>Things like "what if - people could and did change sex with about the ease
>of rhinoplasty?" or "what if - technic humanity was kicked off the Earth
>and had to survive in the rest of the solar system?" and the effect on
>society of these changes.
Oooh. I am starting to see some stories in there... Thanks for the
ideas...
Tom
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Msg : 258 of 322
From : Starwolf 1:163/214 .óá 17 .þí 95 01:56
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : David vs TREK
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
JH>Wrtr o stf: I'm not really interested in writing for those series at
JH> this point.
Pity. B-5 has more depth in some ways, but TREK has a more richly
established universe. He's proven he can have a wonderful time in that
locale and take us along for the pleasant ride.
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Msg : 259 of 322
From : Starwolf 1:163/214 .óá 17 .þí 95 01:57
To : Frank Eva
Subj : B5 Reruns???
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
FE>IMO, this seems like a really BAD move... It is going to incense diehard
FE>B5 fans who were expecting 4 more eps this season...
On the other paw, maybe this will mean four LESS reruns NEXT season. I
certainly wouldn't mind that.
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Msg : 260 of 322
From : Jeff Schlenker 1:288/19 .óá 17 .þí 95 03:28
To : ROBERT LIDGREN
Subj : Re: EARTH 2/SO LONG
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-=> ROBERT LIDGREN was overheard speaking to JEFF SCHLENKER <=-
-> What happened to the good ole days when shows were given a chance. I
-> remember a little sitcom called Cheers (my favorite of all time) that, in
-> it's first season, was near the bottom in the ratings. We all know what
-> happened to that show, now don't we. :)
RL> BRAVO!! Well done!
RL> Gee, that's a damn fine example of just what we want to happen now!
Thanx, I do what I can.
RL> May I also be so bold and give another powerful example?
RL> Thirty years ago, or so, a TV network cancelled Star Trek. Look what
<<<<<<<<<<<<< Bobbited for Brevity >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Let us also not forget that NBC gave Star Trek THREE YEARS, before they
axed it... What would have happened had Star Trek premiered today? I
was unborn at the time, so I don't know, but how much better were ST's
ratings compared to Earth2? I would guess they weren't better.
Jeffrey A. Schlenker jeff.schlenker@lake-city.com
... Mr. Worf, fire at will.... NO, NO, NOT COMMANDER RIKER!!!
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Msg : 261 of 322
From : Myra I Fox 1:123/10 .óá 17 .þí 95 05:22
To : John Kahane
Subj : BABYLON 5 (PTEN)
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
|------------------|John Kahane wrote:
JK>That is not true information. The negotiations for the renewal
JK>of B5 had a lot to do with individual stations, policies concerning
JK>re-runs, and other stuff. While the series could have been cancelled,
JK>true, there were a *lot* of people who fought to keep it on the air.
I like hearing that! B5 is one of the few things I watch anymore and it
is good to know that there are others who like it enough to fight to see
the entire cycle of the show.
I watch only 4 shows now and they are all at least marginally sf or
fantasy :-) Babylon 5, Highlander, Kung Fu: The Legend Continues and
the X Files.
I'll just keep an eye out here in the echo to see if there are any new
shows coming out I might want to check out .
JK>.....
JK>I hold a cup of wisdom, but there is nothing within.
... The usefulness of the cup is the space within.
... How can you taste my wine if you don't first empty your cup?
... "I'm paying off karma at a vastly accelerated rate" - Ivanova.
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Msg : 262 of 322
From : Myra I Fox 1:123/10 .óá 17 .þí 95 06:20
To : ROBERT LIDGREN
Subj : OLD YELLOW EYES/WHERE CAN
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
|------------------|Robert Lidgren wrote:
RL>This is a strnage request but certainly within the bounds of SFFAN.
RL>
RL>Can anyone tell me of a source for the recording Brett Spiner (DATA)
RL>did called "OLD YELLOW EYES?" Apparently it is a collection of songs
I have seen it in Star Tech's catalog... PO Box 456
Dunlap TN 37327
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Msg : 263 of 322
From : David Johnston 1:342/14 .óá 17 .þí 95 10:41
To : Jason Cathcart
Subj : Mmpr : The Movie
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> Any one else think that it will be totally crappy?
By comparison with what? It can't be worse than the show.
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Msg : 264 of 322
From : John Kahane 1:163/198.5 .óá 17 .þí 95 14:18
To : J Hulley-Miller
Subj : Vorlon Immortality /2
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On , J Hulley-Miller wrote the following to John
Kahane:
JH> Monday June 05 1995 10:41, John Kahane wrote to Jeff Hancock:
JK>>>> John Vornholt posted a message noting that the next book
JH> Posted where ? Tnx.
John Vornholt posted the message on CompuServe about a three weeks ago or
so, if I remember correctly. I was quite disappointed in this, since I thought
that the third novel was going to be out in July.
John
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Msg : 265 of 322
From : John Kahane 1:163/198.5 .óá 17 .þí 95 14:20
To : J Hulley-Miller
Subj : B5 TAPES?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On , J Hulley-Miller wrote the following to Frank
Eva:
>>FE> Well, the videotapes of the first season of B5
JH> A post on internet from JMS said that there are no plans at
JH> the moment. He was surprised by this...
The most recent post I've seen from Joe on this is that he's looking into
the matter of videotape availability. We should hear back from him on this in
about a month or so...
John
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Msg : 266 of 322
From : John Kahane 1:163/198.5 .óá 17 .þí 95 14:23
To : Bruce Baugh
Subj : Roger Zelazny, 1937-1995
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
In a message of , Bruce Baugh scribed:
BB> According to George R.R. Martin on GEnie this afternoon,
BB> Roger Zelazny died today of liver failure, the result of an
BB> extended bout with cancer. This was apparently not the first
BB> time he'd been close to death.
Oh, dear...this really makes me sad. :) Zelazny was one of my favourite
writers, and to hear of his death has made this day somewhat bleaker. My
condolences to Roger Zelazny's family on their loss. May Zelazny's spirit walk
the patterns of Amber for eternity.
John
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Msg : 267 of 322
From : Patrick Thoms 1:229/510 .cê 18 .þí 95 00:04
To : Robert Lidgren
Subj : OLD YELLOW EYES/WHERE CAN
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
RL>Can anyone tell me of a source for the recording Brett Spiner (DATA)
>did cal "OLD YELLOW EYES?" Apparently it is a collection of songs and
>one of the tracks features back-up from some of the other cast-members
>of Star Trek: T Next Generation.
I have the tape. Good music too! I heard he's done another one. The
jacket doesn't contain any info on where you can get it or other's but
I'm sure I remember seeing the tape advertised either in Starlog or the
Star Trek Fan Club mags. They also had the soundtrack to the movies and
some of the episodes for TNG. I currently just have "Encounter at
Farpoint" and "The Best of Both Worlds" soundtracks on tape and an
excellent CD called STAR TREK: The Astral Symphony.
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Msg : 268 of 322
From : Jeff Schlenker 1:288/19 .cê 18 .þí 95 03:27
To : All
Subj : DS9 Season 4
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
According to TV Guide, some changes are in order for DS9 this fall.
Some tidbits from Trek honcho Rick Berman.
The new season will launch with a two-hour premiere, where a new cast
member will be introduced. Berman couldn't reveal any details about
him/her/it but he could "tell you that there will be a slight alteration
in the premise of the show that I think is going to be terrific."
When asked if he could just give a hint, he said, "Ok. How can I put
this in a way that will let me sleep tonight? The delicate treaty that
has existed between the Federation and the Klingon Empire... is about to
unravel. And that's just for starters."
Hmmmm, sounds interesting.
Jeffrey A. Schlenker jeff.schlenker@lake-city.com
... Die Hard: The Next Generation
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Msg : 269 of 322
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .cê 18 .þí 95 05:33
To : All
Subj : Crosspost
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
This one was just too humorous to pass up.
******************************************
Gee Let's Get Out of Character
Just wanted to complain, in a huge way!
I would like to begin by saying that Kallas started out, in episodes
prior to Finale, as the most kick ass villian bar-none. He would toy with
Duncan and all around him in a very intelligent way. He would have killed
Dawson just for fun, killed Amanda and still used her for bait and much more.
Instead the writers decided that it was CHEEZ-TIME give some canned villian
sayings, and give him flashes of incredible stupidity.
Next, three words: Amanda's Boob Job. She leaves for a while and
come back looking like she had to buy some new bras and such. (Not really a
complaint, just a comment.)
Methos: not much to say here except for a guy that has lived thousands
of years he can do some rather doofy things. The doofy things that Methos
does could be excused if he were Richie.
That watcher, I can't remember his name starts with a V?, you know who,
the black guy who decked Dawson. What a moron. He is driving toward Kallas
and shooting at him, knowing that he is an immortal. He finally gets Kallas
on the ground, DROPS HIS GUN, gets out of the car, looks at Kallas laying on
the ground and thinks "I need something sharp" and IGNORES THE SWORD next to
Kallas. Duh there is an ax behind me I will go get it! His stupidity has
already killed him nuffsaid.
Well here is another goodun': Let's see, if I were part of a secret
society like the Watchers and created a database, I think I might just
require a PASSWORD. And don't tell me they would not know how! That
database was more than just a few linked tables, it looked pretty good.
And don't say access, you still would need more than just a do it yourself
book and a clue.
***************************************
There wasn't a name on this... just a INet ID which contained no part
of the poster's name.
Jack Butler
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Msg : 270 of 322
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .cê 18 .þí 95 06:07
To : All
Subj : Crosspost
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
From: Use-White Wolf
By: David Johnston
Subject: Project Twilight
There was indeed talk of having Darren McGavin come on, *in character*,
and meet Mulder. However, apparently they're having problems with names,
etc. Somebody owns the copyright on Carl Kolchak and unless they can deal
with that person or group, they can't use him on X-Files.
************************************************************
Anybody out there hear anything about this? Is this rumor for real?
If so, I think the idea is too cool for school, myself. I've always been
a Kolchak fan...
Jack Butler
... "You should *always* carry protection." -- Fox Mulder
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Msg : 271 of 322
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .cê 18 .þí 95 06:44
To : All
Subj : Kilmer as Batman
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Warner Brothers has already announced that both Val Kilmer and Chris
O'Donnell have signed to make further Batman films after this one. Nicole
Kiddman has also stated that she would welcome the opportunity to do another
one.
The only problem I can see is a villain shortage. Right quick they
are going to run out of "recognizable" villains for Batman to fight. All the
villains who became "name recognizable" by way of the 60's TV show (the
Joker, Penguin, Riddler, Catwoman) have been done (and most have been killed
off in the movies). So, that leaves the other names in the Rogues Gallery,
the ones that Batman fans like myself have no problems recognizing, but
that non-comic-readers who like the Batman films don't know from Adam.
Still, I have some ideas. I've long since retired the original wish
list I posted oh so many years ago, but Dustin Hoffman as The Mad Hatter,
Helena Bonham Carter as Poison Ivy, Alan Rickman as Maxie Zeus, Wesley Snipes
as the Black Spider, Lance Henrikson as Ra's Al Ghul, Michael Biehn as
Deadshot, and Patrick Stewart as Mister Zero would all do as villains.
Also, I think John Goodman would do well as The Ventriloquist.
Jack Butler
... "Was that over the top? I can never tell..." -- The Riddler
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Msg : 272 of 322
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .cê 18 .þí 95 06:45
To : All
Subj : Batman Forever Review
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
I may, or may not, discuss spoiler material in this review. As I
have only thought about things to talk about and not actually written the
thing out, I can't tell yet. If you haven't seen it, and don't want to take
the chance, now is the time to move on to the next message.
Everybody else, the elevator is going down.
Well, the first thing that comes to mind when I think of this movie is
Good Stuff. I'm still a fan of the original (less so the second), but this
is the film the first one should have been. More action, less moping. Now,
I know a lot of you are going to say things like "that wasn't moping, that
was character development". Bull. That was moping. I'm a writer; I know
what character development smells like, and that just wasn't it, back in
the first film.
Not that they do too much character development in the third film...
But still, it felt good. Finally we see a Batman who is Billy-Badass on
the hand-to-hand arena, just like he is supposed to be. This Batman uses
his head for more than a target, too. Not that Burton's Batman was written
as an idiot, but we get to *see* him using his noodle in this one.
So, action... great. Character usage... great... except for Dick
Grayson/Robin. Granted, he only comes in half-way through the film, and
isn't the star of the show anyway, but geez, guys. He pops in and out like
a piece of bread in a toaster oven. Either decide to use him or *don't*.
One thing I am glad they did with Robin was let him be more than "the Boy
Hostage"... not that he doesn't get used as one, anyway. But when
Two-Face pops up, says something smart (what was it... oh yeah... "Looking
for us?") and Robin immediately beats the hell out of him, I cheered. And
so did a lot of others.
Tommy Lee Jones does a really great job as Two-Face. He actually stands
up to Jim Carrey as the Riddler. The aura of boiling insanity covered by
a thin veneer of absolute psychosis works well. (I loved that one scene
during the attack on Wayne Manor... Two-Face flipping the coin, over and
over, exasperated because it keeps coming up heads.)
Carrey does a good job, but I had a slight problem with his character.
Does it seem to anyone else that he played the Riddler in some other movie?
I dunno... but his Riddler, as written, seems awefully similar to several
other characters he's played in the past. Frenetic, not all there, and
absolutely intent on pulling some of the wierdest bodily contortions
possible. Wait, I recognize it now. Carrey's stand-up act. Anyway, I
still liked what he did with the character; just as obsessive as Bruce Wayne,
but in an entirely different manner about an entirely different subject.
Let's see, what else. Can we say "choppy editing", boys and girls?
One second, Batman is rescuing Dick from being turned into dog food by a
street gang, the next he's walking away from Dick in the Batcave. Oops!
One last thing: what the heck is up with this "kill the supervillain"
nonsense! First, the Joker, then the Penguin, then Two-Face! Hello, McFly!
Ever consider that you may want to bring one or two of them back for a
sequel?
Well, those are all the comments I have. See the movie if you haven't.
See it again if you have. This one, more than the other two, was a comic
book on film.
Jack Butler
... "Riddle me this, riddle me that. Who's afraid of the big black bat?"
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Msg : 273 of 322
From : Gary Tincher 1:372/57 .cê 18 .þí 95 09:34
To : Jason Cathcart
Subj : MMPR : The Movie
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-=> Quoting Jason Cathcart to All <=-
JC> @MSGID: 1:134/134.0 2fe1b63c
JC> Any one else think that it will be totally crappy?
I'm not a fan but from what I saw on TV.. it looks as if they got
a buget this time.
Gary
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Msg : 274 of 322
From : Gary Tincher 1:372/57 .cê 18 .þí 95 09:34
To : Bruce Baugh
Subj : Roger Zelazny, 1937-1995
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Yea, I'll miss him too.. loved the amber series..
Did you read his Delvish the Damned series?
Gary
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Msg : 275 of 322
From : Cameron Macdonald 1:229/436 .cê 18 .þí 95 09:59
To : Daniel Renaud
Subj : Re: X-Files
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On Thu 15-Jun-1995 23:38 , Daniel Renaud wrote:
DR> Hi everybody,
DR> I'm looking for the complete first 2 seasons of X-files. So
DR> does anyone have them and be willing to copy them for me.
DR> I'm from Hull, Quebec Canada (near Ottawa), but would be willing to paid
DR> for postage if I have to get the tapes from someone out of town/country.
DR> Thanks
I have just about every one of them on tape... I live just a bit east of
Toronto. Let me double check what I have here again...
Cameron...
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Msg : 276 of 322
From : Bruce Baugh 1:105/290.50 .cê 18 .þí 95 10:48
To : All
Subj : Wormholes in Reality?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (16 Jun 95) David Johnston wrote to Rumble...
DJ> No--he--hasn't! If we had a workable FTL theory that would be
DJ> the biggest news since the atomic bomb. Oh, I suppose you
DJ> could explain transporters as a macrocosmic extension of
DJ> quantum tunneling, but just because Hawking is a Star Trek
DJ> fan doesn't mean that it is solidly, or even shakily related
DJ> to our best understanding of the concepts of physics. He just
DJ> does what everyone else does and suspends disbelief.
Just to blow your mind, check the following out from GEnie. And note
that Landis, Benford, and Cramer are all practicing physicists as
well as sf writers. This is their "day job", as it were.
First Science Fiction & Fantasy
Category 27, Topic 11
Message 608 Thu Mar 30, 1995
G.LANDIS1 [Geoffrey] at 21:58 EST
The following press-release is from UC Irvine.
SEARCHING FOR A `SUBWAY TO THE STARS'
In an article published March 15, 1995 in the scientific journal Physical
Review, science fiction writers Gregory Benford, Geoffrey A. Landis, Robert L.
Forward and John G. Cramer, with co-authors Matt Visser and Michael Morris,
argue that the search for dark matter in the universe could be expanded to
include exotic forms of dark matter such as wormholes, topological connections
between separated regions of space-time that might be described as "subways to
the stars."
The article, "Natural Wormholes as Gravitational Lenses," explains one theory
underlying the possible existence of such objects and describes the
gravitational lensing "signature" that might enable us to detect them. The
proposal stems from a workshop on relativity and quantum mechanics sponsored
by NASA.
"A 'wormhole' is a theoretical object permitted by Einstein's theory of
general relativity, where distant regions of space are connected by a
shortcut," says Landis, a scientist at NASA's Lewis Research Center in
Cleveland, OH, as well as an award-winning science-fiction author. "Such
wormholes could have been created in the distant past, in the time just
following the 'big bang' that created the universe. What we discovered at the
workshop was that if such wormholes did exist, they could be detected by the
bending of light due to gravity, an effect known as the 'gravitational lens.'"
"Several research groups currently are using telescopes to monitor
gravitational lensing events to search for massive compact halo objects
(MACHOs) that have positive mass. They want to count these objects because
they could explain the vast amount of dark matter in our galaxy, or perhaps
the whole universe," Benford explains. Gregory Benford is a professor of
physics at the University of California Irvine, and also a highly-regarded
science fiction writer.
"So far, these experiments are not surprising anyone. They're turning up a
reasonable amount of possible dark matter, but nothing that's going to solve
the dark matter problem. But we believe that by paying just a little more
attention, by analyzing the MACHO search data for evidence of what we like to
call GNACHOs (Gravitationally Negative Anomalous Compact Halo Objects),
there's a chance to make a really profound discovery."
Wormholes provide one possible way to create astronomical objects of negative
mass, according to theoretical calculations by Matt Visser, professor of
physics at Washington University in St. Louis, Mo., and a co- author of the
article. "Wormholes, although allowed by the theory of relativity, are
theoretically unstable," says Landis. "However, at the time of the formation
of the universe in the big-bang, wormholes could have been stabilized by loops
of negative mass cosmic string. If so, they would still be here, and it is be
worthwhile to look for them. If we find one, the implications are enormous."
"According to theory, either end of a wormhole can swallow mass, ejecting it
out the other end," said Benford. "But a wormhole mouth in a dense region of
matter swallows mass faster than its other end, if that end is in a sparse
region. Mass emerging from an end curves space-time oppositely. it's as
though the end loses mass, finally reducing to zero mass and then to negative.
Gravitationally, that negative end looks like a negative mass, maybe even a
large, stable one."
Expanding the current Optical Gravitation Lensing Experiment (OGLE) a
collaborative project between the Warsaw University Observatory, Carnegie
Observatory and Princeton University Observatory to search for these and other
possible negative mass objects would be relatively simple, said Benford. This
is because GNACHOs, if they exist, provide a distinctive light enhancement
profile when passing between us and distant stars. This resembles the
twinkling of starlight in the Earth's atmosphere.
"Ordinary mass causes the sudden brightening of a star image, exerting a
gravitational refraction on the light, like a focusing lens," said Benford.
"Ordinary mass causes a single peak in brightness because it focuses the
light, but negative matter deflects the light rays, creating a shadowed umbra
region where light from the source is extinguished. At the edges of the umbra
the light rays accumulate to form what's called a caustic, giving a very large
increase in light intensity in two visible peaks of brightness."
All but one of the microlensing events observed by the OGLE project thus far
exhibited the single brightness peak associated with ordinary matter. However,
one event, OGLE #7, has exhibited very unusual light variations.
"So far this event which shows a double hump brightness peak has been
attributed to a binary star, which are common," said Benford.
"While it very well may be a binary star, the double peak also is similar to
the signature we've predicted for a GNACHO. Therefore, I don't think we
should just assume it's got to be binary and brush it off. If we look in
greater detail, we just might find that it's an entirely different object."
What would it mean if we were to discover a wormhole?
"A wormhole is like a subway to the stars; a method of going places that are
spatially very distant instantaneously, and without contradicting the theory
of relativity. You go in one end and you pop out somewhere else in the
galaxy, or maybe in another galaxy," said Benford.
"Finding one would completely change our view of how galaxies form, because it
would mean that wormhole transport of mass from one part of the universe to
another has been a significant evolutionary factor. It would mean that space-
time is intimately connected in a way we didn't know; that the whole universe
is knitted together and that's a profound result."
But whether or not we find a wormhole, it's the search that's important, said
Benford.
"The chances of negative mass wormholes being common are slim and nobody's
going to get funded to go out and look for wormholes but the chance to find
one as a bonus with data from existing dark matter experiments is enticing,"
he said.
"Our goal is to say `Let's see if we can make an observation.' Because there
are still lots of mysteries in the universe, and we shouldn't take for granted
that we know what's in it."
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Msg : 277 of 322
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .cê 18 .þí 95 16:58
To : J Hulley-Miller
Subj : Highlander Scedule
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Quoth J Hulley-Miller, "Nevermore".
JH> I'm still incredibly annoyed about this, if they dont finally reveal
JH> Clark's identity to Lois... :(
They will. She's known in the comic book for a couple of years now.
Its about time they do so on the television show, I think.
Jack Butler
... "The less time I have to spend with real attorneys, the better."
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Msg : 278 of 322
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .cê 18 .þí 95 17:16
To : David Little
Subj : Star Wars
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Quoth David Little, "Nevermore".
DL> Sherman, set the wayback machine for 1977.
DL> If you CAN remember, there were several times rumors abounded
DL> about Star Trek making a comeback. They tried, fell apart.
I remember all the hoopla about "Trek Phase II", and I was as skeptical
then as I am now.
DL> Will he back down? NO!! It would be a PR nightmare for
DL> LucasFilm if he did that. The reputation of the afforementioned
DL> companies would go down the tubes. Why would he lie about something
DL> like this when it would cost him everything?
I disagree. Lucas could very easily simply shut up about future Star
Wars films and the hullabaloo would die out. Quietly, slowly, but it would
die. And no one would ever say a thing.
Why should they? Its been 20 years (nearly, anyway) since the original
film. There is an entire generation of science fiction fans to whom Star
Wars was *not* a "sudden phenomenon". Give you a good example of what I
mean: I played Star Wars for my nephew Bradley (who is 15 and hadn't seen
any of the Star Wars films). His reaction: "Pretty neat, but the effects
could have been better..."
*These* kids are soon going to be the primary market target for science
fiction. They have no earthly idea of what Star Wars is, or meant to *us*
in terms of being science fiction fans.
Jack Butler
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Msg : 279 of 322
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .cê 18 .þí 95 17:32
To : Brian Henderson
Subj : B5 Ripoff: Ds9
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Quoth Brian Henderson, "Nevermore".
BH> Trekkies don't support anything that isn't Trek, so Paramount can
BH> either produce the Star Trek Network, or try producing something that
BH> people want to watch. Any bets on which one they'll try first?
What a typically arrogant, Brian-Hendersonian thing to say. And what,
pray tell, about the thousands of "Trekkies" (your word) who are supporting
your precious object of worship by watching *it* also?
Jack Butler
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Msg : 280 of 322
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .cê 18 .þí 95 17:35
To : Brian Henderson
Subj : B5 Ripoff: Ds9
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Quoth Brian Henderson, "Nevermore".
BH> I watched the new DS9 last night that had Sisko, Kira, Dax and Bashir
BH> going back in time. What a waste of an hour! Come on, a brain-damaged
BH> chimpanzee could write a better episode.
Well, since *presumably* you are more intelligent that a brain-damaged
chimpanzee, let's see you write a better Trek episode.
Jack Butler
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Msg : 281 of 322
From : Frank Glover 1:2613/477 .cê 18 .þí 95 17:37
To : David Johnston
Subj : Re: St: The Next Generati
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
DJ> -> Agreed. For one, control of the aging process will come *well*
DJ> -> before that, and possibly in time for some of us today.
DJ>
DJ> It isn't that easy to beat entropy. We might have immortality in 400
DJ> years, but it wouldn't be by totally stopping the aging process of
DJ> the
DJ> human body. That would take a lot longer to master. Then again, so
DJ> will FTL travel.
I'd have to disagree. Life in general is a battle against entropy, one merely
(!) has to intervene in ways that give us a better chance. It'll still require
energy from all the usual biological sources, just making better use of it than
nature does by herself. It'll happen more or less early in the next century (and
not an all-at-once breakthrough, just a number of advances that attack all the
different changes, the sum total of which we call aging.
As for FTL travel, I feel in my gut it'll happen, and there's some very weak
evidence to support me, but since it requires the universe to work in ways that
we don't know for sure (and may not at all) I'd have to assign a big fat
question mark as to when that might happen. Anywhere between next week, and the
end (whatever that may be) of the universe....
Frank
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Msg : 282 of 322
From : Frank Glover 1:2613/477 .cê 18 .þí 95 18:14
To : Mark Jones
Subj : Re: ST: The Next Generation
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
MJ> And would you *really* bet serious money that Paramount doesn't
MJ> someday cast a *new* set of actors for the further adventures of
MJ> Kirk,
MJ> Spock, Scotty and Co.?
MJ> I wouldn't. Paramount would do it in a hearbeat if they thought
MJ> they could make money at it. And while many fans would accuse them
MJ> of
MJ> heresy and apostasy and all sorts of other crimes against
MJ> nature...that happened with ST:TNG too. But it was still a big
But that's just it. I think Paramount knows full well that the characters are
so closely associated with the actors, that any attempt to pass someone else off
would *not* be well met, and that does indeed translate into money if it keeps
enough people out of theaters. Trek fans won't like it, others will be merely
confused.
Even on TV they don't usually (outside of soaps) put a new actor in an
existing role. We even joke about the old Darrin vs. the new Darrin of
Bewitched. (The Rosanne episode that introduced Sarah [geeze, forgot her last
name!] in place of Lecy Goranson as Becky did in jokes at the end about this.
The only exception would be if you did stories about the youthful experiences
of these characters (say, a movie version of the trek novel `Best Destiny'), as
has successfully been done with Indiana Jones. (*also* a Paramount property)
Frank
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Msg : 283 of 322
From : David Mohorn 1:275/102 .cê 18 .þí 95 19:39
To : Louis Keser
Subj : Re: Highlander, The Movie
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
LK>PC> thank god Connor McLeod is the lead, and not Duncan - that's something t
>PC> confused me at first. I just assumed they got another actor for the seri
>PC> (and was I glad, I like Adrian Paul much better than Christopher Lambert
>PC> although I do have to admit he (Lambert) grows on me.
LK> I disagree, the show is more confussing than the movies ever were. And
>Connor is better than Duncan. The movies are relatively simple, if you
>exclude the second one as the third does. As close as I could figure out
>Connor=Duncan. I guessed they changed the name when it became a series. If
>you saw the first movie, Connor has had alot of ID (ex. Russel Nash).
If you would have watched the series pilot, you would have seen Connor
McCleod. He has also appeared in another episode too.
...david
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Msg : 284 of 322
From : Nick Lawrus 1:369/121 .îí 19 .þí 95 11:38
To : Bruce Baugh
Subj : Roger Zelazny, 1937-1
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 [Eval]
BB> According to George R.R. Martin on GEnie this afternoon, Roger
BB> Zelazny died today of liver failure, the result of an extended bout
BB> with cancer. This was apparently not the first time he'd been close
BB> to death.
BB> Zelazny wrote his fair share of schlock - I doubt I'll ever forget
BB> Corwin's heart leaping within him in "an almost Proustian joy" in
BB> one of the Amber books. But at his best, he was more or less the
BB> definitive Sense Of Wonder artist. Certainly his influence is large
BB> and real, and he'll be missed.
WOW!! That's a stunner......
I read the Amber books as a kid and loved them. Then I read some of his
more mature works and loved them.....
Then hated some of his juvenile crappy stuff.....
But I'll miss his meter and I agree with the Sense of Wonder statement.
He was one writer who had a sense of poetic prose.....
Cheers--Nick
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Msg : 285 of 322
From : Tony Trujillo 1:280/9 .îí 19 .þí 95 13:00
To : Robert Lidgren
Subj : Re: OLD YELLOW EYES/WHERE CAN
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: GE 1.11+
RL> By the way, I have a copy of Wiiliam Shatner's record from years ago.
RL> It's a real hoot and includes his "classic" rendition of "Rocketman."
Dear lord, don't tell me he did a cover of the old Elton
John tune!
Eeeks!
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Msg : 286 of 322
From : Bill Hedrick 1:282/26 .îí 19 .þí 95 15:31
To : Brian Henderson
Subj : B5 Ripoff: Ds9
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
In a message dated 06-08-95 BRIAN HENDERSON wrote to RICHARD YAMAGATA:
BH> Trekkies don't support anything that isn't Trek, so Paramount can
hmmm excuse me if this seems taken out of context, but I consider myself a
Trekkie, and I love B5, X-Files, enjoy L&C and have a broad range of
enjoyments in SF as well as real-life . Perhaps your view of what a
'trekkie' is is more limited than that of mine? BTW, I am a member of 2 Trek
fan clubs and with few exceptions the members have at least as broad tastes
as I do. Many of them can also read
Ciao,
BILL
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Msg : 287 of 322
From : Marc Zingarelli 1:226/110 .îí 19 .þí 95 16:36
To : Jack Butler
Subj : Kilmer as Batman
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
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Jack Butler was overheard talking to All,
about Kilmer as Batman, in "Joe's Place" and said:
JB> Warner Brothers has already announced that both Val Kilmer and Chris
JB>O'Donnell have signed to make further Batman films after this one. Nicole
JB>Kiddman has also stated that she would welcome the opportunity to do another
JB>one.
JB> The only problem I can see is a villain shortage. Right quick they
JB>are going to run out of "recognizable" villains for Batman to fight. All th
JB>villains who became "name recognizable" by way of the 60's TV show (the
But you forgot Mr Freeze? And the rest of the motley cast. I do like your
suggestions by the way. Or how about a remake of the original batman movie
where all the villains got together?
Later
Marc
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Msg : 288 of 322
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .îí 19 .þí 95 23:00
To : STEVE WISER
Subj : H20 WRLD=THUNDERDOME+H2O
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Good one!
And besides that, it would have a tough time being a better picture. The
second and third Mad Max films were much more than just blood-fests.
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Msg : 289 of 322
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .îí 19 .þí 95 23:05
To : JACK BUTLER
Subj : B5 RIPOFF: DS9
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> Quoth Brian Henderson, "Nevermore".
-> BH> Trekkies don't support anything that isn't Trek, so Paramount can BH>
-> either produce the Star Trek Network, or try producing something that BH>
-> people want to watch. Any bets on which one they'll try first?
-> What a typically arrogant, Brian-Hendersonian thing to say. And what,
-> pray tell, about the thousands of "Trekkies" (your word) who are supporting
-> your precious object of worship by watching *it* also?
->
-> Jack Butler
Well done Jack! It's fine to criticize ..Trek. However, when anyone
stereotypes hundreds of thousands like this it demonstrates a certain lack of
analysis and common sense. The idea that "Trekkies" (cute but pretty useless
term) only support Star Trek incarnations flies in the face of the barest
rudiments of logic.
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Msg : 290 of 322
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .îí 19 .þí 95 23:08
To : JACK BUTLER
Subj : KILMER AS BATMAN
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> Still, I have some ideas. I've long since retired the original wish
-> list I posted oh so many years ago, but Dustin Hoffman as The Mad Hatter,
-> Helena Bonham Carter as Poison Ivy, Alan Rickman as Maxie Zeus, Wesley
-> Snipes as the Black Spider, Lance Henrikson as Ra's Al Ghul, Michael Biehn
-> as Deadshot, and Patrick Stewart as Mister Zero would all do as villains.
-> Also, I think John Goodman would do well as The Ventriloquist.
Gee, what a good list. Now, is there a spot for Letterman and Keanu Reeves
somewhere in here?
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Msg : 291 of 322
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .îí 19 .þí 95 23:12
To : JACK BUTLER
Subj : CROSSPOST
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> From: Use-White Wolf
-> By: David Johnston
-> Subject: Project Twilight
->
-> There was indeed talk of having Darren McGavin come on, *in character*,
-> and meet Mulder. However, apparently they're having problems with names,
-> etc. Somebody owns the copyright on Carl Kolchak and unless they can deal
-> with that person or group, they can't use him on X-Files.
->
-> ************************************************************
->
-> Anybody out there hear anything about this? Is this rumor for real?
-> If so, I think the idea is too cool for school, myself. I've always been a
-> Kolchak fan...
For a really weird and wonderful addition, how about Agent Cooper from Twin
Peaks making an appearance? Two FBI agents investigating the "strange.?"
Could Scully stomach that?
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Msg : 292 of 322
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .îí 19 .þí 95 23:15
To : JACK BUTLER
Subj : CROSSPOST
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> Methos: not much to say here except for a guy that has lived thousands
-> of years he can do some rather doofy things. The doofy things that Methos
-> does could be excused if he were Richie.
->
-> That watcher, I can't remember his name starts with a V?, you know who,
-> the black guy who decked Dawson. What a moron. He is driving toward Kallas
-> and shooting at him, knowing that he is an immortal. He finally gets Kallas
-> on the ground, DROPS HIS GUN, gets out of the car, looks at Kallas laying on
-> the ground and thinks "I need something sharp" and IGNORES THE SWORD next to
-> Kallas. Duh there is an ax behind me I will go get it! His stupidity has
-> already killed him nuffsaid.
->
-> Well here is another goodun': Let's see, if I were part of a secret
-> society like the Watchers and created a database, I think I might just
-> require a PASSWORD. And don't tell me they would not know how! That
-> database was more than just a few linked tables, it looked pretty good. And
-> don't say access, you still would need more than just a do it yourself book
-> and a clue.
->
-> ***************************************
->
-> There wasn't a name on this... just a INet ID which contained no part
-> of the poster's name.
->
-> Jack Butler
These cross-posts are very interesting. Thanks for sharing them with us!!
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Msg : 293 of 322
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .îí 19 .þí 95 23:17
To : MYRA I FOX
Subj : OLD YELLOW EYES/WHERE CAN
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> RL>Can anyone tell me of a source for the recording Brett Spiner (DATA)
-> RL>did called "OLD YELLOW EYES?" Apparently it is a collection of songs
-> I have seen it in Star Tech's catalog... PO Box 456
-> Dunlap TN 37327
Thanks Myra! I had a hunch this info. might be "out there" somewhere.
cheers-
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Msg : 294 of 322
From : Mark Jones 1:105/302.47 .pä 14 .þí 95 23:40
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : Sliders - Bathroom? Wash
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (10 Jun 95) Jeff Hancock wrote to Mark Jones...
MJ> Yeah! Like space-dock sized replicators powered by a ring of
MJ> matter-antimatter reactors. Build a starship, get it fully
MJ> equipped, fully provisioned, fully crewed. Slide it into the
MJ> replicator dock and scan it. File the data away.
JH>
JH> And how are the crewmember's families going to deal with having dozens
JH> of duplicate relatives? There goes security shot straight to
JH> hell.
It's better than having *dead* relatives, eh? But if that's a
consideration, you could use volunteers who have no families. In a
culture the size of the Federation, that shouldn't be too
tough--remember, you only need enough such "orphans" to crew *one*
ship....
Even better, though--staff the ship with Klingons. Their loved one
would probably think it was just KEEN than Uncle ArgleBargle is the
captain of a *score* of warships! (And would be pleased as punch to
know that he'd get the chance to die a warrior's death not once--but
countless times!)
JH> Besides which, if they can't replicate a lung, how do they replicate
JH> people? ;)
Well...that's the point, really. Given the transporter and the
replicator (which are apparently two different versions of the same
basic technology), they *should* be able to replicate not just lungs,
but whole persons. Which means, they'd have immortality of a sort.
It wouldn't matter how many times you killed Wesley Crusher, until and
unless you tracked down and destroyed *every* single copy of his
transporter trace, he'd pop up again.
But they don't want to deal with that, so The Powers That Be decreed
that it can't be done. I, on the other hand, find the whole notion
fascinating and would love to see someone run with it.
MJ> When the Borg come calling, send them a message: "Crunch all you
MJ> want. We'll make more!" Turn out starships as fast as you can
MJ> cycle them through the airlock!
JH>
JH> Somehow this strikes me as having as much effect as raindrops hitting
JH> the sidewalk.
Perhaps. But then again, perhaps *enough* ships could have stopped
the Borg. Or convinced them that the Federation was a prize not worth
the effort. Or, the very least, kept them busy long enough for the
Federation to come up with something that *would* stop the Borg.
(After all, why settle for just *one* Einstein when you can replicate
him wholesale and get lifetimes of productive thought in just a year
or two?)
JH> * Crazy-J * "I feel your pain"? Nah, more like "I feel you're paying"
All too true....
... "He was starting to annoy me, so I gave him another try at reincarnation."
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Msg : 295 of 322
From : David Johnston 1:342/14 .ÿò 16 .þí 95 01:18
To : Mark Jones
Subj : St: The Next Generation
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> And would you *really* bet serious money that Paramount doesn't
-> someday cast a *new* set of actors for the further adventures of
-> Kirk, Spock, Scotty and Co.?
Depends on the time limit. Kirk would be a problem though, since
Shatner wasn't a character actor, and anyone imitating his distinctive
style would seem odd at best and probably laughable.
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Msg : 296 of 322
From : David Johnston 1:342/14 .ÿò 16 .þí 95 01:24
To : Frank Glover
Subj : Re: St: The Next Generati
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> MJ> Well, since I think 24th century medicine should be vastly more
-> MJ> effective than it appears to be, I'm willing to let them slide
-> on MJ> that
-> MJ> one. (But they're good questions nonetheless.)
->
-> Agreed. For one, control of the aging process will come *well*
-> before that, and possibly in time for some of us today.
It isn't that easy to beat entropy. We might have immortality in 400
years, but it wouldn't be by totally stopping the aging process of the
human body. That would take a lot longer to master. Then again, so
will FTL travel.
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Msg : 297 of 322
From : David Johnston 1:342/14 .ÿò 16 .þí 95 01:30
To : Rumble
Subj : B5 Vs St 1/2
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> Heh! What about Steven Hawkings making science understandable!? He is
-> considere to be the smartest man who ever lived, and he preferes Trek
-> to B5. He has found
How do you know? Yes, he's a big trek fan but I haven't heard anything
about his opinion of B5.
-> out how lots of things on Trek shows could work like phasers, warp
-> drive and transporters to name a few.
No--he--hasn't! If we had a workable FTL theory that would be the
biggest news since the atomic bomb. Oh, I suppose you could explain
transporters as a macrocosmic extension of quantum tunneling, but just
because Hawking is a Star Trek fan doesn't mean that it is solidly, or
even shakily related to our best understanding of the concepts of
physics. He just does what everyone else does and suspends disbelief.
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Msg : 298 of 322
From : David Johnston 1:342/14 .ÿò 16 .þí 95 01:35
To : Frank Eva
Subj : Star Trek
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> The examples you gave both deal with militarism. Have you ever
-> thought that Gene Roddenberry may not have wanted his concept to be
-> associated with war-mongering? So, this may not be a matter of the
-> 'universe never
If he didn't want his concept associated with war-mongering, he
shouldn't have put the Klingons in there. For that matter, he probably
should have set his series on a little unarmed exploratory ship as
opposed to a big battle wagon.
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Msg : 299 of 322
From : Tom Huber 1:115/477 .åò 15 .þí 95 23:11
To : Tony Limbert
Subj : ENEMY MINE
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11 94-0102
TL>You can find a copy of the story in the anthology "REEL FUTURES", along
>with the original stories for [digging book up] ...
Thanks for this information. I'll look for the book.
Tom
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Msg : 300 of 322
From : Tom Huber 1:115/477 .åò 15 .þí 95 23:16
To : Robert Lidgren
Subj : HUBER WRITES
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11 94-0102
RL>By the way, in the quote above, you refer to "my series." Are you an author
>Pardon me if I've missed your work. Please fill me in if you do write books
>stories, or articles. I'd be keen to read more of your work!
The novel(s) are unpublished as of yet, but several short stories have
appeared in electronic publications, and I know one or two escaped to
the internet (with my permission). I've been busy of late with a move,
an addition to our household, and work, so I haven't done a lot to get
the novel or shorts into mainstream SF magazines and books.
The first novel is finished, but I'm thinking I want to make another
pass (no no! don't do that, just publish the d**n thing!). The second
novel is almost complete (roughly 95% written), and the rest of the
series has the links and major continuations already written within
their plotlines.
Unlike what Frank Herbert did with Dune, I've plotted out the entire
Star Spawn series, and have written the beginning and ending of each
novel, plus major sequences that used characters or events from a
previous book. Each story stands by itself, but the entire series is a
lot like Babylon 5 - there is a much larger plot that involves all the
stories.
Some of my readers have been so bold as to tell me that the stories are
equal to that which is being published today. I'm not sure if I fully
agree, since I think I've got a ways to go before I feel comfortable
with that kind of comparison. Now if I end up with a Hugo, I might feel
differently...
The best,
Tom
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Msg : 301 of 322
From : Dan Kachoogian 1:107/953 .ÿò 16 .þí 95 21:59
To : James Walton
Subj : Re: Garden State Science Fiction Conspiracy Update
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
*** Quoting James Walton to Dan Kachoogian ***
JW> Not a literary group? Gasp! ;-)
JW> In our group we have people we belong to other groups which are
JW> not strictly literary. The library setting is just cheaper and
JW> easier.
JW> Quite a few of our meetings resemble indoor picnics. We
JW> sometimes even remember to discuss the months topic!
JW>
JW> Do you people have a monthly newsletter or fanzine?
At the moment, no. However, I have been sending out updates to people who have
expressed interest. Mostly to try and bring in some more people... Those who
have, thus far, been (cowardly, I mean UNABLE) to attend our meetings.
:-)
If you'd like to be on my list of people who receive updates, lemme know.
-Dan
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Msg : 302 of 322
From : Tony Trujillo 1:280/9 .óá 17 .þí 95 14:42
To : K.c. Jones
Subj : Re: Sliders Continuity
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: GE 1.11+
TT>> replacement OR by another network. I'm not counting SLIDERS
TT>> out yet but I'm crossing my fingers that it will slide back
TT>> onto television in the future.
KJ> Let's all hope that it will. It would be really rotten if the network
KJ> left us with the cliffhanger unresolved.
Well, I don't really think they could lose Mallory and
thought I would have been more concerned with the ending
if Wade had been shot.
... Diplomacy: Saying "nice doggy"...until you find a rock.
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Msg : 303 of 322
From : Michael Lynn 1:393/7 .óá 17 .þí 95 07:41
To : Bruce Baugh
Subj : Re: Roger Zelazny, 1937-1995
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Damn, Zelazny and Stephen R. Donaldson are my two favorite authors, what
a real shame.
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Msg : 304 of 322
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .ÿò 16 .þí 95 12:00
To : Rumble
Subj : B5 Ripoff: Ds9
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Quoth Rumble, "Nevermore".
Ru> I have heard that when B5 and DS9 do battle DS9 always wins in the
Ru> rating game. I'm not surprised either.
Means nothing. "Most Popular" does not automatical equate with "Best".
Jack Butler
... "I'm pleased you are enjoying yourself." -- Tuvok
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Msg : 305 of 322
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .ÿò 16 .þí 95 12:09
To : Rumble
Subj : BABYLON 5 (PTEN)
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Quoth Rumble, "Nevermore".
Ru> B5 almost got cancelled this year, so I would not call that good.
Even if it had, this also means nothing. Plenty of shows have been
cancelled despite the fact that they are excellent programs. As I said in
my previous message to you, "most popular" does not equate with "best", and
all ratings indicate is popularity.
If you need proof of this, I offer examples such as "American
Gladiators" and "Price is Right", both being shows geared toward the
country's lowest common denominator. Both are doing very well in the
ratings.
Jack Butler
... "It is greatness that comes from a mystery." -- Chiun
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Msg : 306 of 322
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .ÿò 16 .þí 95 12:06
To : Frank Glover
Subj : ST: The Next Generation
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Quoth Frank Glover, "Nevermore".
FG> But, since all we have to work with are 20th Century actors who
FG> *do* age, I suppose one has to accept it for now. (Still, a 140 year
FG> old Leonard McCoy suggests *some* advancement, though not much....)
I was under the impression that Picard was somewhere in his 60's or
70's. If so, this points to a lessening of the aging process.
Jack Butler
... "Hello, Cousin Sven... Say something intelligent..." - Ren Hoek
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Msg : 307 of 322
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .ÿò 16 .þí 95 14:49
To : Marc Zingarelli
Subj : Highlander Novels
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Quoth Marc Zingarelli, "Nevermore".
JB> Okay, here's the scoop. The first Highlander novel, "The Element of
JB> Fire" by Jay Henders, will be out around October. The second novel,
JB> "Scimitar" by Ashley McConnell, will be released after that.
MZ> Another thing to wait through a boring summer for! Thanks for the
MZ> info
Denada.
Jack Butler
... "And you were doing so well..." -- Doc Zimmerman
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Msg : 308 of 322
From : Kay Shapero 1:102/524 .óá 17 .þí 95 09:46
To : Bruce Baugh
Subj : What if
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On , Bruce Baugh (1:105/290.50) wrote to Kay Shapero:
BB>hurry up with the next book in the sort-of trilogy STEEL BEACH
BB>begins. I heard him read the first chapter of it a couple years
BB>ago - it's narrated by a member of an acting troupe touring the Oort
BB>cloud facilities, and is, if anything, even funnier than the
BB>first chapter of STEEL BEACH.
Another one? Oh Goodie!! :->
At least STEEL BEACH finally got me to get around to reading OPHIUCHI HOTLINE -
for some reason I had it but had never read it. Silly me.
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Msg : 309 of 322
From : Steve Martin 1:271/285 .óá 17 .þí 95 06:40
To : Christian Lacoste
Subj : THE PRISONER
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Big Brother caught Christian Lacoste & J.T. Smith crimespeaking about
THE PRISONER.
CL> Bonjour chez vous ! -- sorry, I don't know The Prisoner's ritual
CL> welcome/goodbye sentence in english 'cause I saw the series in French.
CL> Quite normal if you consider I *am* French.
"Be seeing you." I don't know how "Bonjour chez vous" translates into
English, but it looks like "Good day (something)." "Be seeing you"
carries a little bit of an implied threat that the Prisoner *will* be
sticking around...
... We French persons outwit you a second time...
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Msg : 310 of 322
From : Phill Ash 1:275/160 .óá 17 .þí 95 08:43
To : Kavin Kishor
Subj : Xavier St. Cloud and the Quickening
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: GE 1.11+
Phill Ash nasally exhaled his coffee upon hearing this:
>It's possible...
>Over the course of the past few seasons, we've seen some
>"fine-tuning" on Mac's reception of "the buzz" (I still prefer
>the term "Harkening"!). Early on, he was aware of approaching
>Immortals, but now he can (more or less) identify their source
>direction. Connor was able to identify those Immortals that
>he'd previously encountered, while the Kurgan was able to
>identify those whom he'd never met (by name!).
>Actually I nifty thing that the series has started doing is
>make each Immortals "harkening" have aparticular soundclip. Methos has
>a an odd chanting to his buzz that lasts for a bit. An the immortal
>whose master Duncan killed also had a different type of buzz than
>his mentor.
I'd be interested to know if this was seen as "a neat idea" by
the producers...or if they are trying to convey the
"fine-tuning" idea...
ùANATúô: Pres. PETSA (people for the ethical treatment of synthetic animals)
... An insane student learns strange lessons.
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Msg : 311 of 322
From : Chris Baugh 1:105/290.5 .óá 10 .þí 95 14:07
To : Jeff Ewart
Subj : WorldCon in LA/96
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (02 Jun 95) Jeff Ewart wrote to All...
JE> I'm planning to going to LA for the '96 WorldCon and was wondering if
JE> anybody had suggestions on what else to do while there
Try the TRAVEL echo!
... My computer has cables... so why can't it get HBO?
--- PPoint 1.92
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Msg : 312 of 322
From : Chris Baugh 1:105/290.5 .óá 10 .þí 95 16:19
To : Ecarey
Subj : ST: VOYAGER SURVIVES
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (03 Jun 95) Ecarey wrote to Cmcdonough...
E > Oh, that's too easy. Has anyone here not seen FORBIDDEN PLANET
E > a hundred times?
I haven't seen it that many times!
... Kinescope - used for locating family or 'kin'.
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Msg : 313 of 322
From : Chris Baugh 1:105/290.5 .óá 10 .þí 95 16:33
To : Judy Hayes
Subj : Paramount going Broke?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (08 Jun 95) Judy Hayes wrote to All...
JH> Sheesh.....but they still managed to start their own
JH> network.....talk about "Creative Accounting".....
For more about Creative Accounting than you can stand, look for the
book about Art Buchwald's suit concerning "Coming To America." (I
don't recall the title or author's name, but it was written by
Buchwald's attorney.)
... "Hark! I must hasten after them, for I am their leader."
--- PPoint 1.92
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Msg : 314 of 322
From : Chris Baugh 1:105/290.5 .óá 10 .þí 95 16:38
To : Mark Jones
Subj : Counselor Troi
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (03 Jun 95) Mark Jones wrote to Gamin Davis...
MJ> I'll also agree that Starfleet has "security procedures". And
MJ> I'll laugh even longer and louder if you argue that they are
MJ> reasonable or effective.
Well, they do have security officers stationed on the bridge, and
the officers listen for the Captain's orders and start to carry them
out. Of course, it would be more effective if they added a
procedure for *finishing* the actions commanded by the Captain.
... If you want to learn about paranoids, follow one around.
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Msg : 315 of 322
From : Chris Baugh 1:105/290.5 .óá 17 .þí 95 15:38
To : Jason Cathcart
Subj : MMPR : The Movie
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (16 Jun 95) Jason Cathcart wrote to All...
JC> Any one else think that it will be totally crappy?
No, I don't believe that the voices of revenge are best carried to
the fields alone.
Oh, whoops, I thought you were talking about MMPI, the movie.
... Send Lawyers, Guns and Money!
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Msg : 316 of 322
From : Chris Baugh 1:105/290.5 .óá 17 .þí 95 15:49
To : Dkimmel
Subj : BABYLON 5 (PTEN)
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (12 Jun 95) Dkimmel wrote to Frank Eva...
D > Among syndicated dramatic series, B5 ranked sixth for the season.
What were the top 5?
... I knew Pat Pending BEFORE he invented all that stuff
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Msg : 317 of 322
From : Chris Baugh 1:105/290.5 .óá 17 .þí 95 15:58
To : Seth Horne
Subj : bABYLON5
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (12 Jun 95) Seth Horne wrote to All...
SH> Yo everyone...How exactly does the Jumpgate technology work, I
SH> mean, doesn't it bend space or something? Also, did they every
SH> describe the specification of those phat star furies?? They
SH> said that B5 was only 5 miles long. The inside views, when you
SH> look out their windows, look so unrealistic. And when you look
SH> out at the whole view, it doesn't even look 2 miles long.
SH> Shouldn't a station like that be important and big? And what is
SH> that planet it is orbiting around?
You haven't been watching that long, have you? Here's some
information to fill you in on the background of this fine series so
that you can enjoy it more.
Earlier episodes showed us that a jump point is a transition between
normal space and hyperspace. When a ship enters the jump point, it
leaves normal space to enter hyperspace. Once in hyperspace, it
travels a short distance to get to another jump point, that lets it
return to normal space. Some large ships can create their own jump
points, while all smaller and less well equipped ships must rely on
gates - permanent installations in normal space providing access to
hyperspace.
This is quite different than Star Trek's version of a warp field,
which is indeed supposed to enable the ship to travel through normal
space at very high speed. In Star Trek, although a ship at warm is
invisible to slower observors because, of course, the ship's going
faster than light, it is detectable, and identifiable by sensors.
In contrast, B5 indicates that human technology can identify the
presence and rough size (mass) of vehicles about to emerge from
hyperspace, but not that the ships can be identified unless they
send a message. While we know that jump technology was provided to
humans by the Centauri, we don't know who originated it, nor if
other races have more sophisticated types of sensors.
The inside of the large sphere at the docking end of B5 is hollow,
with artificial lighting and hydroponic fields inside. The
ambassadors and senior staff have some of the rare rooms with a
view into this area. What, exactly, would you expect to see that
would "be more realistic" for the interior or would look "important
and big" on the exterior shots? The views are all generated by
mathematical modeling, based on a complete description of the
station's design, of the field of view, perspective angles, and
lighting (including lens flares) that a camera would see if it was
there. The look is different from the results of the miniature
animation routinely used in Star Trek, but B5 is probably more
accurate at depicting the interaction of spaceships, as the computer
system allows the creation of shots with no up or down, and with
camera moves throughout a range of several miles. (In Trek, often
the dialogue says that ships are a reasonable distance apart, but
the models have to be shown as though they were right next to each
other because of space limitations in the miniature photography
process.)
As for the importance of the station, I'm not sure in what manner
you expect an important station to look different. Would you have
preferred an elegantly terraced marble structure in the style of the
UN building? Dialogue in the series has often emphasized the
importance of B5 to peaceful relations, diplomacy and trade, and the
government's refusal to adequately fund its very expensive
operations in the midst of growing isolationist sentiment at home.
In the opinion of many fans, B5 is to be commended for realistically
portraying socialogical and political problems in the implementation
of grand dreams, and for its theme that increasing technology and
alien contact do not necessarily, by themselves, change either human
nature or society for the better. This is yet another contrast with
Trek, which of course is relentlessly optimistic that people can
work together to solve their problems and create a better society by
being part of idealistic organizations (like Starfleet). Neither
approach is neccessarily better or worse, but there's certainly a
place for both types of themes in modern literature, and B5 may be
more relevant to today's concerns, in the same way Trek obviously
tapped 60's idealism.
The planet is in "neutral space" and is not supposed to be located
in our solar system. This has also been explained in many of the
episodes. The site survey team thought this was a dead planet; it
turned out to have some suprises, but is apparently not a threat.
This subject was detailed in full as it was the plot of an earlier
episode.
I haven't seen the word "phat" before. These ships are not
described in "every" episode, but a great deal of information has
been provided about them in several of the shows. They aren't
designed for use in atmosphere, because they don't have aerodynamic
features, but they're very efficient for space travel - and
highly maneuverable in combat, or for grappling - because the
thrusters at the tips of the wings can fire indepently along three
axes of rotation. This has also been demonstrated in many episodes.
I suspect you may be new not only to B5, but also to thorough
reviews and discussions of SF in the online medium. Thanks for
jumping in, and I hope my comments provide some context that will
increase your understanding and enjoyment of this fun and
fascinating series.
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Msg : 318 of 322
From : Chris Baugh 1:105/290.5 .óá 17 .þí 95 16:28
To : Dkimmel
Subj : B5 TALK
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (10 Jun 95) Dkimmel wrote to Frank Eva...
D > I hope they can schedule this better next season so the season
D > finale actually runs in the spring.
Am I the only person who doesn't mind the postponement? July is a
good time to do other things, and we avoid a summer cliff-hanger.
... Don't use commas, which aren't necessary.
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Msg : 319 of 322
From : James Walton 1:129/260 .cê 18 .þí 95 03:30
To : Dan Kachoogian
Subj : Re: Garden State Science Fiction Conspiracy Update
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
JW>> Do you people have a monthly newsletter or fanzine?
DK> At the moment, no. However, I have been sending out updates to people
DK> who have expressed interest. Mostly to try and bring in some more
DK> people... Those who have, thus far, been (cowardly, I mean UNABLE) to
DK> attend our meetings.
I am interested in seeing how you keep people interested in coming back yo
meetings, etc. In our club we bring in speakers sometimes, such as space
shuttle scientists, writers, etc. No program appeals to everybody, so there
are some members who never attend meetings. (But they complain anyway.)
We even put on a Covention every year. (Such fun.)
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Msg : 320 of 322
From : Chris Carter 1:105/302.23 .óá 17 .þí 95 04:20
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : Vorlon Immortality
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
JH> I still think he'll have a face, though. ;-)
The real reason for the encounter suit is to hide a very large, very
embarrasing, wart.
JH> So, when are we going to hear again from that race Ivanova ...
JH> diplomatically dealt with from _Acts of Sacrifice_?
The next time the representative of that race gets a woody.
JH> And considering that John Kahane said that the Marcab WAS the
JH> homeworld to be destroyed this season, why haven't I seen a
JH> thread between you and him discussing it?
That's because I know the real answer. This matter does not require
a debate.
*** Insertion of 30 lines of spoiler space. Unless you are Jeff
Hancock, or suicidal, don't read any further. ***
JH> Prime choice is the Narn, considering how the war is going and
JH> that it's been fore-Shadowed.
You're right. This has been revealed as a spoiler for one of the
last four episodes of this season, in rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.
Chris - carter@teleport.com
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Msg : 321 of 322
From : Chris Carter 1:105/302.23 .óá 17 .þí 95 04:11
To : David Johnston
Subj : B5 Ripoff: Ds9
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
DJ> Apparently by the time the series is over, Earth will be a
DJ> full blown dictatorship. This is not the direction I would
DJ> prefer. I would at least like to see some signs of opposition
DJ> developing against the trend.
General Hague and Co. aren't enough for you, eh?
Chris - carter@teleport.com
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Msg : 322 of 322
From : David Johnston 1:342/14 .îí 19 .þí 95 12:05
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : Vorlon Immortality
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> DJ>However, Morden's encounter with Kosh probably "enlightened" the
-> DJ>Shadows about just what the Vorlons really are...assuming they
-> didn't DJ>already know.
->
-> That's what I've suspected, yet the Shadows aren't starting a new
-> offensive.
We have been told that the Shadows were defeated through striking too
soon the last time. Now they are being more cautious and gathering
their forces more completely, as well as operating through pawns. What
the Vorlons truly seem to wish to avoid, is Shadow knowledge that the
Terrans are catching on so that the Shadows don't eliminate the humans.
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Msg : 1 of 158
From : Gloria Darcy 1:124/8107 .pä 14 .þí 95 21:19
To : Mark Jones
Subj : HighLander, The Series
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
I think it's just disgusting that your channel is going to drop Highlander. Let
us know how things turn out if you decide to pursue your plans to contact the
Highlander producers, etc. We got lucky that the channel that usually ran
Highalnder that's being taken over by FOX is not running it anymore, but another
local channel has taken over. Thank God! We absolutely have a Highlander
withdrawal panic attack if we can't see it once a week!
Gloria
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Msg : 2 of 158
From : David Johnston 1:342/14 .òp 20 .þí 95 00:01
To : Chris Carter
Subj : B5 Ripoff: Ds9
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> DJ> Apparently by the time the series is over, Earth will be a DJ>
-> full blown dictatorship. This is not the direction I would DJ>
-> prefer. I would at least like to see some signs of opposition DJ>
-> developing against the trend.
-> General Hague and Co. aren't enough for you, eh?
Not really. I'd like to see someone protesting out loud instead of just
conspiring.
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Msg : 3 of 158
From : David Johnston 1:342/14 .òp 20 .þí 95 00:04
To : Frank Glover
Subj : Re: St: The Next Generati
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> DJ> -> Agreed. For one, control of the aging process will come
-> *well* DJ> -> before that, and possibly in time for some of us
-> today. DJ>
-> DJ> It isn't that easy to beat entropy. We might have immortality
-> in 400 DJ> years, but it wouldn't be by totally stopping the aging
-> process of DJ> the
-> DJ> human body. That would take a lot longer to master. Then
-> again, so DJ> will FTL travel.
->
-> I'd have to disagree. Life in general is a battle against entropy,
-> one merely (!) has to intervene in ways that give us a better chance.
And that would extend the human lifespan, but I understood control to
mean stabilisation into an endless natural lifespan and that should take
a lot longer than the kind of time frame in question.
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Msg : 4 of 158
From : David Johnston 1:342/14 .òp 20 .þí 95 00:37
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : Vorlon Immortality 2.1
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> Here's a Q for you: How did Delenn and Kosh know that Sheridan had
-> Morden in custody?
Perhaps Delenn is monitoring the Centauri diplomatic communications.
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Msg : 5 of 158
From : David Johnston 1:342/14 .òp 20 .þí 95 00:45
To : Jack Butler
Subj : Kilmer As Batman
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> The only problem I can see is a villain shortage. Right quick
-> they
-> are going to run out of "recognizable" villains for Batman to fight.
-> All the villains who became "name recognizable" by way of the 60's TV
-> show (the Joker, Penguin, Riddler, Catwoman) have been done (and most
-> have been killed
The cartoon has popularised a few more villains so they can probably get
by. However, I do have to point out that Two-Face had the kind of death
that villians regularly return from in the comics.
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Msg : 6 of 158
From : David Johnston 1:342/14 .òp 20 .þí 95 00:48
To : Steve Wiser
Subj : H20 Wrld=thunderdome+h2o
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> RL> I think the premise is that, due to Global Warming, the earth is
-> virtually RL> covered with water and there exist a number of
-> "floaties" that vie for RL> domination but beyond that I don't know
-> too much about the plot. RL>
->
-> Why would a ThunderDome on water cost so much? I don't think
-> the original with Mel Gibson cost very much.
It costs a lot because building sets on water, BIG sets on water is an
expensive proposition. So is filming underwater. So is having one of
your boats sink.
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Msg : 7 of 158
From : Steve Wiser 1:264/417 .òp 20 .þí 95 19:08
To : Jeff Young
Subj : Re: bABYLON5
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 94-2151
JY> SH> And what is that planet it is orbiting around?
JY>
Its neutral territory and the planet is call Epsilon Three.
No, its not Minbari own, although a Minbari was chosen by
the caretaker to be his replacement. Apparently the master
brain of the planet has now a Minbari, one of Delenns
favorite teachers. An old race that has gone on apparently
has left a weapons cache for the future of the universe and
this is it. The new caretaker now has the control of the
planet and can look out over the universe(at least that's
what he said he could do from the planet below).
Has anyone seen the post that the writer/producer has stated
that is the most complete analysis yet of the B5 arc? I have
it from the internet if anyone would like me to cross-post it
here. There are two post that JMS complimented.
Steve Wiser
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Msg : 8 of 158
From : Steve Wiser 1:264/417 .òp 20 .þí 95 19:38
To : Bill Bottke
Subj : JMS compiled messages [6/
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.SPLIT: 22 Jun 95 08:57:52 @264/417 16 01/02 +++++++++++
.TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 94-2151
BB> From: bottke@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu (Bill Bottke )
BB>
BB> =================================================================
BB> Comments, questions, or additional information should be sent to:
BB> Bill Bottke (E-mail: bottke@lpl.arizona.edu)
BB>
BB> *** Note: This is *really* the last one for a few weeks. I mean it
BB> this time!
BB> =================================================================
BB>
BB> The warrior caste was subdued by the coming of Valen, who brought
BB> the law about not killing other Minbari, and formed the Grey Council. The
BB> Rim is the edge of known space. The absolute bottom/rim gravity in B5 is
BB> about 1.2 G; the C&C gravity is about 1/3rd G.
BB>
BB> jms
BB>
BB> If something happens to me...nobody gets the notes. The whole POINT
BB> is that this is a personal story, told out of a personal vision. So if
BB> you want to see this story finished, it behooves y'all to keep my sorry
BB> ass alive for the next 3 years.
BB>
BB> jms
BB>
BB>
BB> : In your opinion, knowing what you know now, with no obligation to
BB> : stay, what is the probability that you will still be on this newsgroup
BB> : one year from now if:
BB>
BB> : 1) Nothing changes
BB> : 2) This newsgroup is moderated
BB> : 3) This newsgroup is moderated and a .creative newsgroup is also
BB> : formed.
BB> : 4) This newsgroup is moderated and an unmoderated newsgroup is formed
BB> : (much like the alt group, story ideas frowned upon)
BB> : Jay Denebeim
BB>
BB> I imagine that the odds of my continuing are pretty much the same
BB> for options 2 through 4; option 1 will eventually cause a problem, I
BB> think, the way things are going. While the group was of resaonable
BB> size, it was easier to influence things; with the mammoth increase in
BB> membership, and the increase in plot speculation, eventually the limit
BB> on what I can afford to be exposed to will have to be hit.
BB>
BB> jms
BB>
BB> : wrote:
BB> : > The warrior caste was subdued by the coming of Valen, who brought
BB> : >the law about not killing other Minbari, and formed the Grey Council. T
e
BB>
BB> : Holy Valen! So the warrior caste has been ticked off for 1,000 years. No
BB> : wonder they're so scary. They've held a grudge against Valen for that
BB> : long. Now all their scoffing at the prophecy and the religious caste
BB> : makes sense. Personally, I think these guys killed Dukhat to ruin
BB> : Valen's prophecy -- Revenge motivation (of course the humans could have
BB> : gotten VERY lucky and I'm wrong).
BB>
BB> : Delenn refuses to help the Children of Time because someone interfered
BB> : with Minbari religion and the results have caused her and her people to
BB> : avoid doing so to others. Valen is said to return.
BB> : So 1,000 years ago, how did Valen do his coming and going? I'm beginning
BB> : to seriously wonder is this Valen guy was a Minbari at all. Someone
BB> : subduing a violent caste sounds like manipulation. And those prophecies
BB> : do hint at more knowledge than the Minbari had at that time. Of course
BB> : he could be a Minbari with powerful friends so he could maintain control
BB> : and reign in the warrior caste AND set up the new Minbari government. Or
BB> : he could be powerful himself. Perhaps he had the help of three
BB> : triluminaries; I'm sure their powers, creatively applied, could go a long
BB> : way.
BB> : Christopher Novosad
BB>
BB>
BB> Christopher: save this message of yours and keep it at hand going
BB> into the second season, around the 10th episode or so.
BB>
BB> jms
BB>
BB> (sigh...I meant third season, wrote second...still dealing with
BB> the renewal.)
BB>
BB> Whether one becomes religious, warrior or worker caste is something
BB> that arises early on, not through birth or genetics, but what you are
BB> called to do, or feel called to do. If you believe that you are calleed
BB> to the religious life, you go to that part for a time, a few years, and
BB> that is determined by you and to a certain extent, others. If you seem
BB> not suited toward that, they may work with you to find what you are more
BB> suited for (and perhaps you felt *expected* to be called a certain way,
BB> but that's not really where you're best suited).
BB>
BB> jms
BB>
BB> We'll see Minbar at least once in year three, perhaps more.
BB>
BB> jms
BB> No, the last ep of this season wasn't per se a cliffhanger, though it
BB> does tip over a few things, so it flows from 222 to 301 fairly smoothly.
BB>
BB> jms
BB>
BB> : I recently had an opportunity to go back and watch some episodes. The
BB> : name of the particular episode escapes me, but it is where the Shadowship
BB> : attack the Narn outpost. In it the perspective of the camera sweeps
BB> : around, zooms through the protruding spines on the ships and we see the
BB> : shadows firing on the outpost on the planet below.
BB> : I watched it on a friends large TV with stereo pumped and I must say,
BB> : as I've said before, that one scene qualifies in my mind as a true piece
BB> : of art.
BB> : This is indicative of the CGI FX for the entire show. Not only are yo
BB> : using this new technology to take care of FX for the show, but you seem t
BB> : be pushing its potential, not settling for traditional, straight shots --
BB> : making sure those of us in the audience can get that rush of awe and
BB> : wonder we look for in sf (both in the FX and in the epic proportions of
BB> : the storyline.
BB> : I would just like to extend my congratulations and thanks to you and
BB> : the people who worked on that scene and others: I consider something like
BB> : that an achievement equal to that of any great artist.
BB> : Tudor Lewis
BB>
BB>
BB> Thanks. That scene in "Coming of Shadows" is one of my favorites;
BB> it does, as you say, convey that sense of wonder which is one of my main
BB> goals with this show.
BB>
BB> Until "The Long Twilight Struggle," nothing else has come close to
BB> that scene for me. But there's some stuff in there that finally manages
BB> to surpass it. Just gorgeous and scary and awe-inspiring.
BB>
BB> jms
BB> Of course we're going to find out more about why the shadows are
BB> doing and what they want; it'd be kinda pointless otherwise, no?
BB>
BB> jms
BB> : If the Minbari prophecies regarding humans go all the way back to Valen a
d
BB> : the founding of the Grey Council, why did the Grey Council endorse the
BB> : Earth-Minbari war as they did? The Minbari certainly gave all appearance
BB> : of planning to wipe us clean off the galactic map (although this is of
BB> : course open to question). At any rate, it seems that they should have be
n
BB> : leary of interfering with whatever destiny we're supposed to have in stor
,
BB> : as a war of that scale could surely do.
BB> : Steven M.
BB>
BB> There was the prophecy, but they didn't know specifically to which
BB> race it pertained until much later.
BB>
BB> jms
BB> Subj: Initials Section: Babylon 5
BB> To: Tuesday, June 13, 1995 1:22:03 AM
BB> From: J. Michael Straczynski, 71016,1644#239120
BB>
BB> >> Is it just a coincidence that Jeff Sinclair, John Sheridan
BB> and Joe Straczynski all have the same initials? <<
BB>
BB> Probably not.
BB>
BB> jms
BB>
BB> Subj: <>-Spoiler Section: Babylon 5
BB> To: Wednesday, June 14, 1995 2:50:18 AM
BB> From: J. Michael Straczynski, 71016,1644#240268
BB>
BB> >>Talia Winters is either getting killed off or thrown in jail
BB> back on earth. She is the one who tried to kill Kosh at very
BB> beginning of show. In real life, the actress who plays her and
BB> the actor that plays Garabaldi are engaged!!! The shadows
BB> attack the Narn home world and do major damage. Vir is getting
BB> killed off.I wonder if their sources are reliable.
BB> We will see..............<<
BB>
BB> I'd say overall that's the most breathtakingly jumbled
BB> batch of half-rumors and quarter-truths I've seen. You can
BB> disregard, oh, 98% of it.
BB>
BB>
BB> Subj: Why B5 on TV? Section: Babylon 5
BB> To: Wednesday, June 14, 1995 11:15:17 PM
BB> From: J. Michael Straczynski, 71016,1644#241212
BB>
BB> Any time I come up with a story, I try to look around
BB> to determine where it would work best. This one *felt*
BB> like it belonged to TV.
BB>
BB> More than that, though...I went into this looking to
BB> create a saga for TV. It wasn't so much coming up with the
BB> story, and realizing it was a TV saga, as it was, "Nobody's ever
BB> done a multi-year science fiction saga for television.
BB> As a thought-experiment, can I come up with something that
BB> would work in this medium?" This led me to the structure that
BB> became Babylon 5.
BB>
BB> jms
BB>
BB>
BB> Subj: B5's Military Metaphor Section: Babylon 5
BB> To: Wednesday, June 14, 1995 11:15:15 PM
BB> From: J. Michael Straczynski, 71016,1644#241211
BB>
BB> As I responded in private mail, I'm drawing upon a number
BB> of military influences in the show; some from WW I, in the Great
BB> War and how WW I sort of slid into WW II; some tactical and
BB> strategic elements of WW II military; and some of the political
BB> elements that went into the Vietnam and Korean conflicts.
BB> Actual tactics and battles will vary; there's a major battle
BB> setpiece in a later episode that uses more contemporary and
BB> futuristic elements such as long-distance (thousands of
BB> kilometers) tactics, interceptors and the like.
BB>
BB> Also as I noted in email...I just learned today from someone
BB> high up in military PR in Washington that Babylon 5 is very popular
BB> with many branches of the military. They call it a "force multiplier"
BB> (morale booster) for naval and air force and ground troops (apparently
BB> the show gets shipped out to bases and to carrier/battleship groups).
BB> It's also very popular with many folks in the Pentagon and the Secret
BB> Service. (In one case, the Secret Service apparently did an analysis
BB> of one of our episodes as an exercise in character analysis of
BB> military persons under high-stress situations.) The Flying Tigers
BB> have also been very supportive of the show, even allowing us to use
BB> their symbol in the series.
BB>
BB> jms
BB>
BB> Subj: B5 Military Section: Babylon 5
BB> To: Thursday, June 15, 1995 10:25:12 PM
BB> From: J. Michael Straczynski, 71016,1644#242354
BB>
BB> Vorlons/Shadows at the top of the force, Minbari after,
BB> Centauri, with Humans and Narns not that far apart.
BB>
BB> Er...what was the suggestion again...?
BB>
BB> jms
BB>
BB> -------------------------------------------------------------------
BB> **************************************************************************
BB> ***** sorso@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu **** "Every silver lining has a cloud." *****
BB> **************************************************************************
BB>
BB> What follows is a pair of analyses of two major aspects of the
BB> *Babylon 5* story arc that have recently coalesced in my mind. To
BB> some extent they are independent and could have been typed up as
BB> separate posts; however, if the first analysis is right, it would
BB> also come into play as an argument for what I advance in the second
BB> analysis. Accordingly, I'm putting both together here. Apologies
BB> if the length of this post proves inconvenient. (And apologies of
BB> another sort. At this writing I am a few hundred miles from my
BB> PC, which means (a) I have to write this without the software that
BB> lets me bounce back and forth between the text I'm writing and the
BB> Lurker's Guide to check my memory of plot details, and (b) I have
BB> to type using a keyboard that seems to have been manufactured by
BB> the makers of the Yugo. If there are factual slips, I trust they
BB> will be minor ones that do not preclude the main line of argument;
BB> and if I don't purge this post of all its typos before I transmit
BB> it, bear with me.)
BB>
BB> I. The Unified Field Theory of Conspiracies
BB>
BB> A few weeks ago, in a post that referred to the abundance of
BB> conspiracies in the Babylon 5 universe, I half-jokingly suggested
BB> we needed a Unified Field Theory of Conspiracies to simplify
BB> keeping track of things. Okay, consider the following paranoid
BB> possibility for an UFTC: All the calamitous problems lately are
BB> the work of the Shadows.
BB>
BB> Could the influence of the Shadows really be so pervasive? Let's
BB> consider what evidence is available, taking it species by species:
BB>
BB> EARTH: The Earth Alliance is afflicted by three conspiracies of
BB> note--(1) the Clark Administration's accession by means of
BB> assassination and its impletmentation of a number of distressing
BB> measures aimed to enhance its political control; (2) the dirty
BB> tricks operation being run by the group known as Bureau 13; and (3)
BB> the rogue element in Psi Corps's leadership engaged in a eugenics
BB> campaign to develop more powerful telepaths. It's been fairly
BB> clear for some time that Psi Corps is the common thread to these
BB> conspiracies. Garibaldi's treacherous aide Jack gave Garibaldi
BB> the same salute ("Revelations") that Bester gave in "Mind War."
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BB> That establishes a link between the Corps and the Clark faction--
BB> a link for which there is other evidence we haven't seen, to judge
BB> by the suspicions that General Hague voiced in "All Alone in the
BB> Night." The Corps is also linked to Bureau 13 by the woman we
BB> know as "Thirteen"--i.e., the woman who managed the conspiracy
BB> seen in "Spider in the Web." Thirteen is a telepath, and Psi
BB> Corps's records have been doctored to list her as dead, thereby
BB> providing cover for her to drop out of sight and manage things
BB> from the San Diego wasteland. Where do the Shadows come in?
BB> For that you have to refer to the current four-part story now
BB> unfolding in the Babylon 5 comics (synopses available through the
BB> Lurker's Guide). It's becoming quite clear that there is some
BB> kind of Shadow presence on Mars, and Mars is also the site of a
BB> top-secret Psi Corps base. Indeed, it's evidently a base where
BB> skulduggery takes place--that's where Bester was interrogating his
BB> prisoner to lethal effect in the outset of "A Race Through Dark
BB> Places." I'm increasingly skeptical that Morden is the only
BB> human with whom the Shadows have been working.
BB>
BB> ASIDE: If this is right, then the current debate over who
BB> the traitor on B5 will turn out to be takes on a whole new
BB> twist. The comic series shows the Shadow-minions on Mars
BB> capable of mind-control over humans.
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BB> From: bottke@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu (Bill Bottke )
BB>
BB> =================================================================
BB> Comments, questions, or additional information should be sent to:
BB> Bill Bottke (E-mail: bottke@lpl.arizona.edu)
BB>
BB> *** Note: This is *really* the last one for a few weeks. I mean it
BB> this time!
BB> =================================================================
BB>
BB> The warrior caste was subdued by the coming of Valen, who brought
BB> the law about not killing other Minbari, and formed the Grey Council. The
BB> Rim is the edge of known space. The absolute bottom/rim gravity in B5 is
BB> about 1.2 G; the C&C gravity is about 1/3rd G.
BB>
BB> jms
BB>
BB> If something happens to me...nobody gets the notes. The whole POINT
BB> is that this is a personal story, told out of a personal vision. So if
BB> you want to see this story finished, it behooves y'all to keep my sorry
BB> ass alive for the next 3 years.
BB>
BB> jms
BB>
BB>
BB> : In your opinion, knowing what you know now, with no obligation to
BB> : stay, what is the probability that you will still be on this newsgroup
BB> : one year from now if:
BB>
BB> : 1) Nothing changes
BB> : 2) This newsgroup is moderated
BB> : 3) This newsgroup is moderated and a .creative newsgroup is also
BB> : formed.
BB> : 4) This newsgroup is moderated and an unmoderated newsgroup is formed
BB> : (much like the alt group, story ideas frowned upon)
BB> : Jay Denebeim
BB>
BB> I imagine that the odds of my continuing are pretty much the same
BB> for options 2 through 4; option 1 will eventually cause a problem, I
BB> think, the way things are going. While the group was of resaonable
BB> size, it was easier to influence things; with the mammoth increase in
BB> membership, and the increase in plot speculation, eventually the limit
BB> on what I can afford to be exposed to will have to be hit.
BB>
BB> jms
BB>
BB> : wrote:
BB> : > The warrior caste was subdued by the coming of Valen, who brought
BB> : >the law about not killing other Minbari, and formed the Grey Council. T
e
BB>
BB> : Holy Valen! So the warrior caste has been ticked off for 1,000 years. No
BB> : wonder they're so scary. They've held a grudge against Valen for that
BB> : long. Now all their scoffing at the prophecy and the religious caste
BB> : makes sense. Personally, I think these guys killed Dukhat to ruin
BB> : Valen's prophecy -- Revenge motivation (of course the humans could have
BB> : gotten VERY lucky and I'm wrong).
BB>
BB> : Delenn refuses to help the Children of Time because someone interfered
BB> : with Minbari religion and the results have caused her and her people to
BB> : avoid doing so to others. Valen is said to return.
BB> : So 1,000 years ago, how did Valen do his coming and going? I'm beginning
BB> : to seriously wonder is this Valen guy was a Minbari at all. Someone
BB> : subduing a violent caste sounds like manipulation. And those prophecies
BB> : do hint at more knowledge than the Minbari had at that time. Of course
BB> : he could be a Minbari with powerful friends so he could maintain control
BB> : and reign in the warrior caste AND set up the new Minbari government. Or
BB> : he could be powerful himself. Perhaps he had the help of three
BB> : triluminaries; I'm sure their powers, creatively applied, could go a long
BB> : way.
BB> : Christopher Novosad
BB>
BB>
BB> Christopher: save this message of yours and keep it at hand going
BB> into the second season, around the 10th episode or so.
BB>
BB> jms
BB>
BB> (sigh...I meant third season, wrote second...still dealing with
BB> the renewal.)
BB>
BB> Whether one becomes religious, warrior or worker caste is something
BB> that arises early on, not through birth or genetics, but what you are
BB> called to do, or feel called to do. If you believe that you are calleed
BB> to the religious life, you go to that part for a time, a few years, and
BB> that is determined by you and to a certain extent, others. If you seem
BB> not suited toward that, they may work with you to find what you are more
BB> suited for (and perhaps you felt *expected* to be called a certain way,
BB> but that's not really where you're best suited).
BB>
BB> jms
BB>
BB> We'll see Minbar at least once in year three, perhaps more.
BB>
BB> jms
BB> No, the last ep of this season wasn't per se a cliffhanger, though it
BB> does tip over a few things, so it flows from 222 to 301 fairly smoothly.
BB>
BB> jms
BB>
BB> : I recently had an opportunity to go back and watch some episodes. The
BB> : name of the particular episode escapes me, but it is where the Shadowship
BB> : attack the Narn outpost. In it the perspective of the camera sweeps
BB> : around, zooms through the protruding spines on the ships and we see the
BB> : shadows firing on the outpost on the planet below.
BB> : I watched it on a friends large TV with stereo pumped and I must say,
BB> : as I've said before, that one scene qualifies in my mind as a true piece
BB> : of art.
BB> : This is indicative of the CGI FX for the entire show. Not only are yo
BB> : using this new technology to take care of FX for the show, but you seem t
BB> : be pushing its potential, not settling for traditional, straight shots --
BB> : making sure those of us in the audience can get that rush of awe and
BB> : wonder we look for in sf (both in the FX and in the epic proportions of
BB> : the storyline.
BB> : I would just like to extend my congratulations and thanks to you and
BB> : the people who worked on that scene and others: I consider something like
BB> : that an achievement equal to that of any great artist.
BB> : Tudor Lewis
BB>
BB>
BB> Thanks. That scene in "Coming of Shadows" is one of my favorites;
BB> it does, as you say, convey that sense of wonder which is one of my main
BB> goals with this show.
BB>
BB> Until "The Long Twilight Struggle," nothing else has come close to
BB> that scene for me. But there's some stuff in there that finally manages
BB> to surpass it. Just gorgeous and scary and awe-inspiring.
BB>
BB> jms
BB> Of course we're going to find out more about why the shadows are
BB> doing and what they want; it'd be kinda pointless otherwise, no?
BB>
BB> jms
BB> : If the Minbari prophecies regarding humans go all the way back to Valen a
d
BB> : the founding of the Grey Council, why did the Grey Council endorse the
BB> : Earth-Minbari war as they did? The Minbari certainly gave all appearance
BB> : of planning to wipe us clean off the galactic map (although this is of
BB> : course open to question). At any rate, it seems that they should have be
n
BB> : leary of interfering with whatever destiny we're supposed to have in stor
,
BB> : as a war of that scale could surely do.
BB> : Steven M.
BB>
BB> There was the prophecy, but they didn't know specifically to which
BB> race it pertained until much later.
BB>
BB> jms
BB> Subj: Initials Section: Babylon 5
BB> To: Tuesday, June 13, 1995 1:22:03 AM
BB> From: J. Michael Straczynski, 71016,1644#239120
BB>
BB> >> Is it just a coincidence that Jeff Sinclair, John Sheridan
BB> and Joe Straczynski all have the same initials? <<
BB>
BB> Probably not.
BB>
BB> jms
BB>
BB> Subj: <>-Spoiler Section: Babylon 5
BB> To: Wednesday, June 14, 1995 2:50:18 AM
BB> From: J. Michael Straczynski, 71016,1644#240268
BB>
BB> >>Talia Winters is either getting killed off or thrown in jail
BB> back on earth. She is the one who tried to kill Kosh at very
BB> beginning of show. In real life, the actress who plays her and
BB> the actor that plays Garabaldi are engaged!!! The shadows
BB> attack the Narn home world and do major damage. Vir is getting
BB> killed off.I wonder if their sources are reliable.
BB> We will see..............<<
BB>
BB> I'd say overall that's the most breathtakingly jumbled
BB> batch of half-rumors and quarter-truths I've seen. You can
BB> disregard, oh, 98% of it.
BB>
BB>
BB> Subj: Why B5 on TV? Section: Babylon 5
BB> To: Wednesday, June 14, 1995 11:15:17 PM
BB> From: J. Michael Straczynski, 71016,1644#241212
BB>
BB> Any time I come up with a story, I try to look around
BB> to determine where it would work best. This one *felt*
BB> like it belonged to TV.
BB>
BB> More than that, though...I went into this looking to
BB> create a saga for TV. It wasn't so much coming up with the
BB> story, and realizing it was a TV saga, as it was, "Nobody's ever
BB> done a multi-year science fiction saga for television.
BB> As a thought-experiment, can I come up with something that
BB> would work in this medium?" This led me to the structure that
BB> became Babylon 5.
BB>
BB> jms
BB>
BB>
BB> Subj: B5's Military Metaphor Section: Babylon 5
BB> To: Wednesday, June 14, 1995 11:15:15 PM
BB> From: J. Michael Straczynski, 71016,1644#241211
BB>
BB> As I responded in private mail, I'm drawing upon a number
BB> of military influences in the show; some from WW I, in the Great
BB> War and how WW I sort of slid into WW II; some tactical and
BB> strategic elements of WW II military; and some of the political
BB> elements that went into the Vietnam and Korean conflicts.
BB> Actual tactics and battles will vary; there's a major battle
BB> setpiece in a later episode that uses more contemporary and
BB> futuristic elements such as long-distance (thousands of
BB> kilometers) tactics, interceptors and the like.
BB>
BB> Also as I noted in email...I just learned today from someone
BB> high up in military PR in Washington that Babylon 5 is very popular
BB> with many branches of the military. They call it a "force multiplier"
BB> (morale booster) for naval and air force and ground troops (apparently
BB> the show gets shipped out to bases and to carrier/battleship groups).
BB> It's also very popular with many folks in the Pentagon and the Secret
BB> Service. (In one case, the Secret Service apparently did an analysis
BB> of one of our episodes as an exercise in character analysis of
BB> military persons under high-stress situations.) The Flying Tigers
BB> have also been very supportive of the show, even allowing us to use
BB> their symbol in the series.
BB>
BB> jms
BB>
BB> Subj: B5 Military Section: Babylon 5
BB> To: Thursday, June 15, 1995 10:25:12 PM
BB> From: J. Michael Straczynski, 71016,1644#242354
BB>
BB> Vorlons/Shadows at the top of the force, Minbari after,
BB> Centauri, with Humans and Narns not that far apart.
BB>
BB> Er...what was the suggestion again...?
BB>
BB> jms
BB>
BB> -------------------------------------------------------------------
BB> **************************************************************************
BB> ***** sorso@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu **** "Every silver lining has a cloud." *****
BB> **************************************************************************
BB>
BB> What follows is a pair of analyses of two major aspects of the
BB> *Babylon 5* story arc that have recently coalesced in my mind. To
BB> some extent they are independent and could have been typed up as
BB> separate posts; however, if the first analysis is right, it would
BB> also come into play as an argument for what I advance in the second
BB> analysis. Accordingly, I'm putting both together here. Apologies
BB> if the length of this post proves inconvenient. (And apologies of
BB> another sort. At this writing I am a few hundred miles from my
BB> PC, which means (a) I have to write this without the software that
BB> lets me bounce back and forth between the text I'm writing and the
BB> Lurker's Guide to check my memory of plot details, and (b) I have
BB> to type using a keyboard that seems to have been manufactured by
BB> the makers of the Yugo. If there are factual slips, I trust they
BB> will be minor ones that do not preclude the main line of argument;
BB> and if I don't purge this post of all its typos before I transmit
BB> it, bear with me.)
BB>
BB> I. The Unified Field Theory of Conspiracies
BB>
BB> A few weeks ago, in a post that referred to the abundance of
BB> conspiracies in the Babylon 5 universe, I half-jokingly suggested
BB> we needed a Unified Field Theory of Conspiracies to simplify
BB> keeping track of things. Okay, consider the following paranoid
BB> possibility for an UFTC: All the calamitous problems lately are
BB> the work of the Shadows.
BB>
BB> Could the influence of the Shadows really be so pervasive? Let's
BB> consider what evidence is available, taking it species by species:
BB>
BB> EARTH: The Earth Alliance is afflicted by three conspiracies of
BB> note--(1) the Clark Administration's accession by means of
BB> assassination and its impletmentation of a number of distressing
BB> measures aimed to enhance its political control; (2) the dirty
BB> tricks operation being run by the group known as Bureau 13; and (3)
BB> the rogue element in Psi Corps's leadership engaged in a eugenics
BB> campaign to develop more powerful telepaths. It's been fairly
BB> clear for some time that Psi Corps is the common thread to these
BB> conspiracies. Garibaldi's treacherous aide Jack gave Garibaldi
BB> the same salute ("Revelations") that Bester gave in "Mind War."
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BB> That establishes a link between the Corps and the Clark faction--
BB> a link for which there is other evidence we haven't seen, to judge
BB> by the suspicions that General Hague voiced in "All Alone in the
BB> Night." The Corps is also linked to Bureau 13 by the woman we
BB> know as "Thirteen"--i.e., the woman who managed the conspiracy
BB> seen in "Spider in the Web." Thirteen is a telepath, and Psi
BB> Corps's records have been doctored to list her as dead, thereby
BB> providing cover for her to drop out of sight and manage things
BB> from the San Diego wasteland. Where do the Shadows come in?
BB> For that you have to refer to the current four-part story now
BB> unfolding in the Babylon 5 comics (synopses available through the
BB> Lurker's Guide). It's becoming quite clear that there is some
BB> kind of Shadow presence on Mars, and Mars is also the site of a
BB> top-secret Psi Corps base. Indeed, it's evidently a base where
BB> skulduggery takes place--that's where Bester was interrogating his
BB> prisoner to lethal effect in the outset of "A Race Through Dark
BB> Places." I'm increasingly skeptical that Morden is the only
BB> human with whom the Shadows have been working.
BB>
BB> ASIDE: If this is right, then the current debate over who
BB> the traitor on B5 will turn out to be takes on a whole new
BB> twist. The comic series shows the Shadow-minions on Mars
BB> capable of mind-control over humans.
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Msg : 12 of 158
From : John Kahane 1:163/198.5 .òp 20 .þí 95 16:41
To : Brian Henderson
Subj : B5 Merchandise
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On , Brian Henderson wrote the following to Frank
Eva:
FE>> I always thought that given the choice, JMS could NOT turn
FE>> down an opportunity to cash in on his own product. I don't
FE>> blame him. If I had a popular property and could earn some
FE>> money off it, I wouldn't hesitate. I think what makes this
FE>> look bad is that prior to the offer, JMS took such a hard
FE>> line against franchising B5. He now looks a bit hypocritical...
BH> JMS has never, EVER said that there will be no marketing of
BH> B5 material, only that the show will drive the marketing, not
BH> the marketing driving the show.
And I, for one, applaud this decision on his point. Marketing should not
drive the show, as you point out, but there are those out there - no matter what
the tv series and whether it's sf or not - who will want merchandise for their
favourite series. Joe has kept the merchandising tasteful for BABYLON 5 to this
point, and I believe this is a good idea. No matter what the critics say about
it.
John
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Msg : 13 of 158
From : Bruce Baugh 1:105/290.50 .òp 20 .þí 95 17:41
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : Babylon 5 (PTEN)
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (18 Jun 95) Jeff Hancock wrote to Frank Eva...
JH> That episode was written by PAD, and we don't know how much
JH> input JMS had in the events therein. All we know is that PAD
JH> gave him the opportunity, and he spaced the bear. ;) The
JH> final scene where Sheridan wants it "all off the station" may
JH> have been PAD, may have been JMS, we don't know where PAD let
JH> him "have his say".
According to both JMS and PAD, actually, the spacing the bear was
JMS. So was the moment of perfect beauty.
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Msg : 14 of 158
From : Rumble 1:163/436 .pä 21 .þí 95 12:08
To : Ecarey
Subj : BABYLON 5 (PTEN)
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Did you know how many people watch TOS of star trek? 20 million people! Its just
that for a network show it was considered bad. But for syndication it is a
triumph!
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Msg : 15 of 158
From : Tony Trujillo 1:280/9 .òp 20 .þí 95 12:05
To : Jack Butler
Subj : Re: Kilmer as Batman
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: GE 1.11+
JB> films don't know from Adam. Still, I have some ideas. I've long since
JB> retired the original wish list I posted oh so many years ago, but
JB> Dustin Hoffman as The Mad Hatter, Helena Bonham Carter as Poison Ivy,
JB> Alan Rickman as Maxie Zeus, Wesley Snipes as the Black Spider, Lance
JB> Henrikson as Ra's Al Ghul, Michael Biehn as Deadshot, and Patrick
JB> Stewart as Mister Zero would all do as villains. Also, I think John
JB> Goodman would do well as The Ventriloquist.
I'd love to see them use Poison Ivy in a Bat-movie!
BTW: John Goodman would make an excellent KING TUT! ;^)
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Msg : 16 of 158
From : Wayne Crow 1:3602/477 .pä 21 .þí 95 10:06
To : Keith Stokes
Subj : CONGO
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
KS>Did anyone else like it? I just got back from seeing it with a
>group of about 20 people. Overall, the group gave it a 6 on a 1-10
>scale.
I saw the previews of "Congo". I thought it was pretty cool. I think
I'll go see it next week. Hope I ain't wasting my money.
Wayne
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Msg : 17 of 158
From : Jeff Hancock 1:3600/7 .òp 20 .þí 95 20:58
To : Ecarey
Subj : B5 RENEWED!
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
EC>>races just to create action figures and playsets, or if he was
EC>>making multiple spinoff series with no real point to them other than
EC>Of course, RIGHT NOW, he wouldn't be able to \sell\ "multiple spinoff
EC>series", whether there was a point to them or not. It's easy to be
EC>virtuous when nobody is trying to tempt you.
It was just an example. ;)
EC>RIGHT NOW, B5 has an awful lot of ancillary merchandise - books,
EC>comic books, Micromachines, caps, jackets - and it has only just come
EC>to the end of its second broadcast season. This much merchandise this
EC>soon is just not believable, unless the merchandising plan was
EC>developed in parallel with the series production plan.
This soon? Considering the time involved in running out the season, I
certainly would not go that far. Considering publishing time, the books
were probably planned fairly early, and the comic was probably planned
once it was clear they were going to get renewed for the second season,
the other items were probably arranged then as well. If it had died at
the end of the first season, I don't think we'd be seeing more than the
books.
Are these jackets especially made, or is it just stitching a logo patch
on an existing jacket? Caps and shirts are hardly something that takes
two years to bring to market. (and I never did get the cap I ordered)
EC>And if there really is good quality control [a theory NOT supported
EC>by the sloppiness of the novels, or the complaints I've seen here and
EC>elsewhere about the comics], that would argue even more strongly for
EC>the plans having already been \in place\ when the series first aired.
EC>You don't \get\ good control on a rush job.
IF they had been in place that early, two years for the start of the
show or three years for the premiere, that would most certainly NOT be a
"rush job" as you propose. Now if they didn't start getting into real
mechandising until the second season was a go, THEN that would support
your theory of it being a rush job, otherwise they had plenty of time to
get it right.
EC>> If the fans are asking for this kind of material, well...
EC>JMS has carefully cultivated the demand.
Yep, he did that all right. He produced a TV show that attracted a fan
base which then wanted other products related to the show. What a
sinister and dastardly plan that is, how DARE he create something that
others would want to show they enjoy by wearing T-shirts and buying
Micro Machines.
EC>But it does make the desperate attempts to make B5 marketing look
EC>Pure and Noble, while characterizing Trek marketing [which really did
EC>develop out of fan demand \first\, including widespread fan
EC>infringement on Paramount's Trek trademark] as wicked money-grubbing,
EC>look rather silly.
EC>And it's not JMS we see those foolish attempts from, either.
I think the point is that Trek seems to merchandise nearly *everything*,
in many cases what seems to be some rather inferior merchandise. How
much control they have over that I don't know, but considering that it's
Paramount I would think they have at least the _potential_ for more
control over it than JMS does. Word is that JMS has to personally
approve everything, but if there's product in the warehouse and he's
looking at a loss, how are we to know if he really has a choice in the
matter? Whereas Paramount would have the clout and the choice, but
wouldn't care.
For the books, at least that's being fixed now, whether he could change
it earlier is unknown. For the comics, I don't know if he has any
control over what creative team they assign to it or not. For the other
products... are you dissatisfied with the quality?
Now if we start seeing Sheridan action figures and Starfury toys with
"real light-up laser cannon and action-sounds" and Babylon 5 playsets
with "Ejecting Command Chair", then I'd agree it'd gone to hell in a
handbasket.
-=-
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Msg : 18 of 158
From : Jim Cushing 1:123/75 .îí 19 .þí 95 16:28
To : Louis Keser
Subj : Re: Highlander, The Movie (3)
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
LK> I disagree, the show is more confussing than the movies ever were.
I disagree, I started watching the series half way through the second season
and I find it better than the movies. I don't know how you can say that the
series is more confusing when you have 1 and 3 basically the same movie just
the villian has been changed to Kane. I won't even get into H-2
LK> And Connor is better than Duncan.
In what way? I think Adrian is better only because he has had three years
to get adjusted to the role of Duncan.
LK> Connor=Duncan. I guessed they changed the name when it became a series.
LK> If you saw the first movie, Connor has had alot of
Sorry but Conner was in the first episode along with Duncan and I do believe
Joe Dawson made some mention of Conner when he stated something like "its
a good thing your fellow clansman killed Kurgan"
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Msg : 19 of 158
From : Jim Cushing 1:123/75 .îí 19 .þí 95 16:28
To : Brian Henderson
Subj : Re: B5 Ripoff: Ds9
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
BH> Trekkies don't support anything that isn't Trek,
Bullshit Brian!
BH> so Paramount can either produce the Star Trek Network, or try producing
BH> something that people want to watch. Any bets on which one they'll try
BH> first?
People have watched Paramount produced shows or have you forgotten Cheers,
Wings, MacGyver?
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Msg : 20 of 158
From : Jim Cushing 1:123/75 .îí 19 .þí 95 16:28
To : James Walton
Subj : Re: Star Wars
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
JW> Unfortunately, they can't possibly have the same impact as the
JW> original movie. If for no other reason that there are too many people
JW> who are seeped in the Star Wars legend.
Disagree, George Lucas has complete control over Star Wars. On top of that
consider all promotions we will see when the release date for the new movie
gets closer. I would venture to say that it will probably break all the
current records for box office receipts.
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Msg : 21 of 158
From : Jim Cushing 1:123/75 .pä 21 .þí 95 07:18
To : Brian Henderson
Subj : Re: Babylon 5 (Pten)
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
BH> Considering that Paramount has made their name and fortune on Star
BH> Trek, something that Warner simply hasn't done, it is only
BH> understandable. Star Trek is Paramount's cash cow.
Come on Brian! Paramount was successful before Star Trek and it will
continue to be successful after the "cow" runs dry.
BH> Very true. Now that B5 has been officially renewed for season three,
BH> and will be receiving, from what I understand, a substantial increase
BH> in cash flow from Warner, we'll have to see what they do with it.
I heard that B-5's budget was in danger of being cut. I know JMS was
fighting it. This is one time I hope your correct.
BH> Outside of Star Trek, B5 is the only sci-fi show to have made it this
BH> far in 20 years.
Off the top of my head can you say Seaquest, Quantum Leap and Buck Rogers
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Msg : 22 of 158
From : Jim Cushing 1:123/75 .pä 21 .þí 95 10:42
To : David Mohorn
Subj : Re: Highlander, The Movie
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
DM> If you would have watched the series pilot, you would have seen Connor
DM> McCleod. He has also appeared in another episode too.
Lambert only TV series appearance was in the pilot episode. He has never
appeared again.
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Msg : 23 of 158
From : Jim Cushing 1:123/75 .pä 21 .þí 95 10:42
To : Starwolf
Subj : Re: Sliders Continuity
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
St> An unconfirmed comment from a friend has it that SLIDERS _has_ been
St> renewed, but only for mid-season. It seems to change from week to
St> week.
In the June 20 USA Today it has been confirmed that FOX will be bringing
SLIDERS at mid-season. The article also stated that FOX has ordered 13
episodes.
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Msg : 24 of 158
From : Jeff Schlenker 1:288/19 .pä 21 .þí 95 03:05
To : Jack Butler
Subj : Re: Batman Forever Review
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-=> Jack Butler was overheard speaking to All <=-
JB> Well, the first thing that comes to mind when I think of this
JB> movie is Good Stuff. I'm still a fan of the original (less so the
<<<<< Review Bobbited >>>>>
JB> was a comic book on film.
Good review and I must say I agree, except I did like the first one
better than Forever. I pretty much hated the second one. I did notice
one annoying characteristic to this Batman... He sure had a knack for
rushing headlong into obvious traps. But an otherwise excellent movie
was Batman Forever.
Later,
Jeff
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Msg : 25 of 158
From : Dan Kachoogian 1:107/953 .òp 20 .þí 95 06:09
To : James Walton
Subj : Re: Garden State Science Fiction Conspiracy Update
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
*** Quoting James Walton to Dan Kachoogian ***
JW>
JW> I am interested in seeing how you keep people interested in
JW> coming back yo
JW> meetings, etc. In our club we bring in speakers sometimes, such
JW> as space
JW> shuttle scientists, writers, etc. No program appeals to
JW> everybody, so there
JW> are some members who never attend meetings. (But they complain
JW> anyway.)
JW>
JW> We even put on a Covention every year. (Such fun.)
JW>
Sheer force of personality. :-)
-Dan
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Msg : 26 of 158
From : Heather Hood 1:107/953 .òp 20 .þí 95 16:28
To : Dan Kachoogian
Subj : Re: Garden State Science Fiction Conspiracy Update
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
*** Quoting Dan Kachoogian to James Walton ***
DK> JW> I am interested in seeing how you keep people interested in
DK> JW> coming back yo
DK> JW> meetings, etc. In our club we bring in speakers sometimes,
DK> Sheer force of personality. :-)
And the strip twister doesn't hurt either! :) (oh wait that's a different
meeting...:) )
Heather
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Msg : 27 of 158
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .pä 21 .þí 95 17:13
To : ALL
Subj : SLIDERS RENEWED??
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
The following is a cross-post from the Earth 2 Mailing list but it is about
SLIDERS.
According to this post, SLIDERS has been renewed. Can anyone else confirm
hearing this news from an independent source??
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BEGINNING OF CROSS-POST
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From: Clay Williams
To: Earth2 Mailing List
Subject: E2- We Can "2" If Sliders Can!
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 02:09:02 -0700 (MST)
Message-ID:
Sliders has been given a reprieve. If they can do it, we can "2"!
- Clay Williams
Earth 2: Eden Advance
Earth 2 will be right back.
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 04:42:23 -0700
Newgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: (fwd) SLIDERS RETURNS TO FOX MID-SEASON!!!
From: tv
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: SLIDERS RETURNS TO FOX MID-SEASON!!!
Date: 16 Jun 1995 21:44:25 GMT
Organization: MCA/Universal
I have just been informed by a very official source that Sliders
will return to FOX with ALL NEW EPISODES sometime in early 1996.
We are starting production of the new shows in October and are
very excited about the return of Sliders!!! Universal Television
thanks everyone for the tremendous show of support for Sliders on
the net and the role it played in getting Sliders renewed!
For the latest info, you can check out the official Sliders web
site at http://www.mca.com/tv/sliders
Thanks again!!
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END OF CROSS-POST
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Cheers,
Robert Lidgren
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Msg : 28 of 158
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .pä 21 .þí 95 17:16
To : ALL
Subj : CHRIS CARTER ??
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Is the Chris Carter we see so often here on SFFAN THE Chris Carter from The
X-Files? Or, is it even SOMETIMES that Chris Carter. Keep the howling and
derision to a minimum if this is read as an idiot question, eh??
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Msg : 29 of 158
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .pä 21 .þí 95 17:22
To : MARK JONES
Subj : EARTH 2 CROSS POST
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> RL> : After every E2 episode, I write a nice E-mail letter to NBC RL> :
-> thanking them for airing it. I also ask them to please continue RL> : to
-> show reruns through the summer... and also ask them to RL> : reconsider
-> their cancellation. It doesn't hurt to "make nice" RL> : and perhaps we will
-> AT LEAST get our reruns, continue to build RL> : our viewer base, and
-> attract more folks to our letter writing RL> : campaign. Here are the NBC
-> addresses (peebeeone is Preston RL> : Beckman, FYI):
MARK JONES QUOTE:
I'm not an Earth2 fan, but this seems like a very good idea.
And it would be worthwhile for *anyone* on this echo who likes a particular
program and hopes to see it renewed. Although, as someone else pointed out
in another message, a handwritten letter on paper might have more "weight"
with these guys.
Hi Mark! It seemed like a good idea to me too.
You are very correct! A "real" letter sent with a stamp just might be more
weighty in terms of the regard it is given if only because much more effort is
involved.
Robert Lidgren
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Msg : 30 of 158
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .pä 21 .þí 95 17:30
To : MARK JONES
Subj : EARTH 2/SO LONG
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> On the other hand, some people really enjoy the dark visions of cyberpunk
-> fiction. Or find that kind of future a lot more believable than the airy
-> utopian fiction of Star Trek. It's a matter of taste, or of one's "sense of
-> life" (i.e., what you think life is really like when you get down to the
-> chewy nugat center--basically good, or essentially tragic).
I think your point is well taken. Sure we do! However, the Cyberpunk
tradition does point to extremes, as you point out here:
-> There's also the point that the milieu of cyberpunk isn't really
-> futuristic...except for the technology. A world in which a tiny minority
-> live lives of unparallelled luxury, surrounded by obscene wealth, while the
-> vast majority spend their lives in perpetual poverty and living at the
-> sufferance of the Powers That Be....is essentially what life has been like
-> in most parts of the world throughout most of history.
In a world, as it is. There does seem to be a trend towards a permanent
underclass which is expanding. What I'd like to see is stories about a future
world where there is LESS of the underclass (say, those who make less than
10.00 an hour) and an EXPANSION of jobs which takes skills and are more
rewarding. The test of ANY CIVILIZATION, I would submit, is HOW WELL it treats
the poor and how much it works to ratchet UPWARD those at the low end. Wealth,
per se, is not an arbitrary evil and needs to be spread around a bit more.
I'm no socialist nor a communist because those are poor ways to achieve social
justice but in science fiction, why not an entirely new form of democratic
political system wherein the economic "realities" are more humane??
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Msg : 31 of 158
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .pä 21 .þí 95 18:07
To : ALL
Subj : SLIDERS FAQ EXTRACT
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
THE LATEST ON SLIDERS ---> FROM THE FAQ
Well, if this baby HAS BEEN RENEWED, there are undoubtedly many out there who
have further interests in the show. Here are a few extracts from the SLIDERS
FAQ (latest version).
If any of you fine fellow travellers in SFFAN would like me to post the WHOLE
Sliders FAQ,
send me a message here or at my internet address:
robert.lidgren@bbs.logicnet.com
----------------------
SLIDERS FAQ EXTRACT
----------------------
10. Where is Sliders Filmed?
Sliders is primarily filmed in Vancouver, British Columbia, although a
few establishing exterior shots have been filmed in San Francisco and
on the University of California at Berkeley campus.
Most studio work is done in Vancouver at the studio where M.A.N.T.I.S.
was filmed.
12.3 USENET NEWSGROUPS:
* alt.tv.sliders
* alt.tv.sliders.creative
* rec.arts.sf.tv
* alt.history.what-if
* alt.parallel.universes
12.4 SLIDERS MAILING LIST:
A Sliders discussion list has been created by Alicia Mowlai-Ashtiani
(mowlaial@ucunix.san.uc.edu) for the purpose of discussing the
series. Because a member of the Sliders production staff is expected
to subscribe to this list, please do not post suggested or possible
storylines or they may become the property of St. Clare
Entertainment.
To subscribe to this mailing list, send a message to the address
majordomo@stargame.org and in the body of the message type
"subscribe sliders" without the quotes and without your name.
13. Where do I send fan mail?
13.1 FAN MAIL CAN BE SENT TO THE CAST AND CREW OF SLIDERS IN CARE OF ST.
CLARE ENTERTAINMENT AT:
St. Clare Entertainment
Universal Studios
Building 506-A
100 Universal Plaza
Universal City, CA 91608
13.2 FAN MAIL TO FOX BROADCASTING TELLING THEM HOW MUCH YOU ENJOY
WATCHING
SLIDERS EVERY WEEK CAN BE SENT TO:
Mr. John Matoian
Programming Executive
Fox Broadcasting Company
10201 West Pico Blvd
Los Angeles, CA 90035
13.3 FAN MAIL CAN ALSE BE SENT TO FOX BROADCASTING VIA E-MAIL AT:
sliders@delphi.com
_________________________________________________________________
14. Sliders News
16 JUNE 1995
Fox Broadcasting ordered thirteen new episodes of Sliders as a
mid-season replacement. The new episodes will begin filming in October
of 1995 with an expected air date of early 1996.
Congratulations to everyone who took the time to tell Fox that you
wanted to see more episodes of SLIDERS!
1 JUNE 1995
Fox announced that Sliders re-runs will be aired starting Sunday June
25th at 7PM (6PM Central.) Repeats will continue until a new series,
Space, takes over the timeslot in the fall. Fox also said "a
decision on Sliders as a fall backup is still pending."
This web page will be updated as more information becomes available.
15. Acknowledgements
My thanks to the following people who, in one way or another, helped
make this a better FAQ:
* Stewart M. Clamen (clamen@cs.cmu.edu)
* Brian Eirik Coe (bcoe@trumpet.aix.calpoly.edu)
* Ed Dravecky III (dsheldon@netcom.com)
* Ford A. Thaxton (FordaT@aol.com)
* Frank Garcia (fgarcia@direct.ca)
* Mitch Gold (goldm@rpi.edu)
* C. Daniel Kinser (70004.146@compuserve.com)
* Tim Lucas (lucast@etsu.east-tenn-st.edu)
* J. Brett Martinson (u9010521@muss.cis.mcmaster.ca)
* Will Mengarini (seldon@eskimo.com)
* David Playle (dplayle@ins.infonet.net)
* PromoGuy (!) (kokh@ionet.net)
* Scott W. Roby (roby@oswego.oswego.edu)
* Stephen Sisk (sjsisk@islandnet.com)
* Larry Trujillo (ltrujillo@cctr.umkc.edu)
* Robert K. Weiss (rkweiss@aol.com)
Yes, that Robert K. Weiss.
Thanks for everyone's comments, suggestions, and answers!
_________________________________________________________________
Copyright é 1995 by Ed Hall. All rights reserved.
This FAQ may be posted to any USENET newsgroup, on-line service, or
BBS as long as it is posted in its entirety and includes this
copyright statement. This FAQ may not be distributed for financial
gain. This FAQ may not be included in commercial collections or
compilations without the express written permission of the author.
Ed Hall (edhall@brillig.com)
--------------------------------------------------
END OF EXTRACT FROM SLIDERS FAQ
-------------------------------------------------
I didn't post the whole thing because I want some input first. Hope Ed Hall
doesn't send his
inter-demensional droogs to my house with knuckle busters!!
Do CONTACT ME if you want more of this. I am sensitive to what you like and
don't like. This is one of the very best groups anywhere on the Fidonet or
Internet (believe me, I've done enough "comparison shopping" to know what's
good).
All the best,
Robert Lidgren
robert.lidgren@bbs.logicnet.com
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Msg : 32 of 158
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .pä 21 .þí 95 18:24
To : MARK JONES
Subj : CYBERPUNK AND OUR FUTURE
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
IN YOUR MESSAGE TO ME YOU SAID:
In that sense, cyberpunk fiction could be considered *optimistic* in
that the underclass have greater access to information and tools
(including weapons) than they ever did in the past. They have the
potential to either join TPTB, or to overthrow them.
REPLY:
I like this. Your assessment of the POWER the underclass get from technology
was a twist on things I had only considered peripherally. The nifty thing
about your whole message was that I could tell YOU'VE READ THE STUFF and
haven't JUST gleaned insights from TV and MOVIE Cyberpunk themes.
Neuromancer by William Gibson my now be a "classic" in the field but what is
also interesting is that Bill has decided to move on to other things. Have you
ever seen an interview with him? He's quite an interesting man, lean, funny
and a denizen of Vancouver, British Columbia too (yep, the very city where
X-Files and Sliders is filmed!!). Being from Calgary, Canada myself, it feels
good that American producers, casts and other creative talent seem to enjoy
working in my country. Too often we Canadaians feel inferior in terms of our
place in the world but it's great to see other appreciate us too. It's always
been a struggle living right next door to the United States but, what the heck,
we try! By the way, I'm not anti-American. That is a dumb approach and
attitude. I've travelled all over the States and in EVERY STATE I've met many
really terrific people with very similar goals, desires for the future and
concern for family and friends.
Legends of the Fall and The Unforgiven were both filmed just a few miles from
my house. It really is beautiful country here and I sometimes forget just how
good it is. The recent exchange rates have made Canada an EXCELLENT travel
destination for Americans. If you travel here you can buy Canadian dollars for
about 70 cents.
Who knows, if you visit Vancouver this summer, you might just see them filming
an episode of X-Files!
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Msg : 33 of 158
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .åò 22 .þí 95 00:57
To : ALL
Subj : EARTH 2 MAILING LIST DETA
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
I have been on the Earth2 Mailing list for a while and thought I should share
the following with you. This is a cross-post from the mailing list itself. It
tells how to get on and how to get off the mailing list and also a copy of the
guidelines IS INCLUDED.
Be forewarned that when you subscribe, you can expect
MANY messages on Earth 2!!
-----------------------------------------------------------
On Mon, 19 Jun 1995, Robert Lidgren wrote:
> Hi there! What is the command for subscribing to and unsubscribing from this
> list? I lost my log entry for these commands and have several people beating
> down the door for both items. I would very much appreciate your response to
> this request.
Robert,
To subscribe: send e-mail to majordomo@stargame.org
in message put subscribe earth2 <--- Exactly!
They will receive a how-to unsubscribe message that they should keep.
Many people get frustrated when they try to unsubscribe to the mailing
list and not the server. Also they get the address wrong and use .com
and not .org .
To unsubscribe: send e-mail to majordomo@stargame.org
in message put unsubscribe earth2
Here's a copy of the instructions I received when I first subscribed:
Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 22:02:53 GMT
From: Majordomo@stargame.org
Subject: Welcome to earth2
Reply-To: Majordomo@stargame.org
--
Welcome to the earth2 mailing list!
If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list,
you can send mail to "Majordomo@stargame.org" with the following
command in the body of your email message:
unsubscribe earth2
Here's the general information for the list you've
subscribed to, in case you don't already have it:
This list, , is the center for discussion
about the NBC television series EARTH 2....
Welcome to Earth 2! Watch out for Terrians, don't get in Devon's
way, and remember, *this* Yale is *not* your average cyborg!
The list is *very* loosely moderated with only two *absolutely*
enforced rules...
1) *NO* flames!!! We're going to disagree from time to time and
that's fine, but there's no need to get personal. If you
disagree with someone's opinion, feel free to state your
own...keeping in mind that *opinions*, by their very nature,
can't be right or wrong...they just *are*. And try to separate
the person from the opinion. You may feel that a person's
*opinion* is stupid, but please don't call the *person*
stupid. I'm sure that we're all mature enough to find a more
diplomatic way to say things.
Flaming will result in a warning from me. Further infractions
will result in removal from the list.
and...
2) *NO* posting of copyrighted materials!!!! (unless you hav
permission, of course) Believe me...it's not worth the trouble
it can cause. Having been a victim of the _Star Trek:
Generations_ script fiasco...and subsequently Paramount, I can
personally attest to the fact that getting involved with
copyright violations can get nasty. And I don't want this
list to end up on the cutting-edge of net-law.
Posting of copyrighted material will result in a *strong* warning
from me. And, depending on the nature of the violation, possible
removal from the list *without* further infractions. When in
doubt *ask* me. If I say no...then don't post it. If I say
yes...fine. Then if there's any problem, it's on *my* head and
the list will be spared.
Those are the only two hard and fast rules. Everything else is
sorta kinda flexible...but I always have the final say.
Try to stay on topic...but if you think about it, that covers a
lot of ground. If you absolutely, positively *have* to post
something off topic, to insert an OBE2 (Obligatory Earth2
comment). On occasion, there may be something that you're so
excited about or a bit of personal news that you just can't
contain and you'll feel the irrisistable urge to post
it. I hope that we'll all be friends, so we'll probably be
interested. An OBE2 will help pacify those that *aren't*
interested. I'm sure that we can all think of something
thoughtful to say about the series at any given moment (I know
*I* can :-) ). If a thread wanders off topic for *too* long,
I'll kill it...but I try to let them die a natural death
whenever possible.
If a thread gets beaten to death...I reserve the right to kill it
*after* a sufficient number of list members has complained to me
either on-list or privately (if you don't want to complain
on-list). However, I'm not going to let any one person dictate
when a topical thread should be killed, myself included.
In short, I'll try to keep my hands off as much as
possible...just keep in mind that I'm always here. But, hey! I
wanna have fun too, so I'm gonna try to not make this feel like
work for myself (been there...done that...don't like it...)
Remember, if you have any problems, questions or concerns about
the list, feel free to contact me and I'll get back to you as
soon as possible.
Alicia
mowlaial@ucunix.san.uc.edu
Owner, EARTH2
owner-earth2@stargame.org
Now...back to your regularly scheduled welcome message :-)
To see who else is subscribed, send a message containing "who
earth2" in the message body to .
To see other lists available, send "lists" to majordomo. There
are a number of E-mail roleplaying games available with
stargame.org related to all the many eras of Star Trek... and a
number of discussion lists, too.
pbmdev is about play-by-mail in general...
sg50 is the Stargame Coffee House... all are welcome to drop in
and chat!
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END OF CROSS-POST
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Cheers,
Robert Lidgren
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Msg : 34 of 158
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .åò 22 .þí 95 01:11
To : ALL
Subj : CUDOS FOR THE SHAPEROS
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Hats off to the Shaperos, Nicolai and Kay, for this fine Fidonet group. I've
been recruiting others to join in and commenting on the QUALITY of the
messages. To tell you the truth, even one example gets the point across.
Compare the comments on, say, The X-Files here and those on the X-Files
interest group on the Internet. SFFAN comments win hands down!
As far as I know, the Shaperos moderate this group and their great example
seems to embue the interactions with a sense of CLASS not often emulated
elsewhere.
Criticism is so EASY to shell out but once in a while I think it's good to give
credit where it is due!
Cheers,
Robert Lidgren
PS. No, they didn't pay me to say this (heh, heh).
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Msg : 35 of 158
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .åò 22 .þí 95 01:16
To : PAUL WORLEY
Subj : HARLAN ELLISON
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> Harlan is supposed to show up at DragonCon in July (Atlanta, GA) I'll try to
-> remember to ask him when I get up to him in the autograph line. Hope you can
-> wait 6 more weeks!!
Do fill me in on Harlan's appearance. I've corresponded with him and his wife,
Susan Ellison, and read his books. I haven't seen him live ever!
By the way, I received from Harlan this week my CD copy of his Palladin of the
Lost Hour. It's a damn fine recording!! The liner notes are terrific. By the
way, I've been waiting for this recording for more than 5 years!
If you want details about how to get the album, drop me a message.
Cheers,
Robert Lidgren
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Msg : 36 of 158
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .åò 22 .þí 95 01:30
To : FRANK EVA
Subj : HARLAN ELLISON
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> NS>He was, in theory, working on a sequel to the Outer Limits episode,
-> NS>"DEMON WITH A GLASS HAND" entitled "DEMON ON THE RUN" for B5. But I
-> NS>haven't heard anything about this lately (no news is good news?)
-> Or, he could just be stalling, like he did when he wrote City on the Edge of
-> Forever. Of course, you can't rush an artiste! :-)
I couldn't help but reply to your message to Nicolai Shapero.
I just received in the mail this week the CD recording of Harlan's Palladin of
the Lost Hour. It really is excellent.
The liner notes booklet gives details about the various incarnation of the
story including that version on The Twilight Zone. Originally, Harlan did not
want Danny Kaye to play the part. In the role of Gaspar, he had a list of FOUR
choices:
Hume Cronyn
Bud Merideth
James Whitmore
Jack Gilford
He wrote the story from December 10th to December 12th 1984 (according to the
insert).
So, although Harlan may be notorious for delays, he is also capable of writing
stories with incredible power and lasting impact in a cery short time too.
By the way, if you want the CD or would like to join The Harlan Ellison Record
Collection, here is the address:
THE HARLAN ELLISON RECORD COLLECTION
P. O. BOX 55548
SHERMAN OAKS, CALIFORNIA
91413
Membership is just $8.00 (check or money order) and for that you get four
issues of The Rabbit Hole and access to recordings of Harlan's stories by the
author. Susan Ellison runs the business and she is an absolute delight! Class
incarnate! He was very fortunate to have found such a terrific lady!
I've been on board since issue #1 of Rabbit Hole and find the material to be
rivetting.
One time I wrote a letter to Harlan via The Harlan Ellison Record Collection
commenting on one of his Asimov's Science Fiction columns. He was kind enogh
to give me a phone call.
By the way, to get a pyrotechnic rise out of Harlan at a convention, ask how he
enjoyed working on the TV series "The Starlost." Better stand back, though, as
the rejoined will be caustic but hellishly amusing too.
Cheers,
Robert Lidgren
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Msg : 37 of 158
From : Pamela Crossett 1:325/118 .pä 21 .þí 95 01:13
To : Louis Keser
Subj : Conner vs Duncan
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
>> "As close as I could figure out
Connor=Duncan. I guessed they changed the name when it became a series. If
you saw the first movie, Connor has had alot of ID (ex. Russel Nash)."
yes, Louis, it's true that connor had a lot of aliases, but he definitely is NOT
duncan.
i don't know how much you watch the series, but in the initial show, connor
appears WITH duncan, and their relationship is explained as the immortal
"mentor/mentee" relationship, similiar to what duncan eventually cultivates with
richie.
as a matter of fact, in a recent episode duncan says "I don't know what i would
have done (or been like - i actually don't remember the quote word for word) if
connor macleod hadn't found me" - again emphasizing that they are two separate
charactors - so that at least, in some ways, the series attempts to thread the
two storylines together.
although, as has been discussed earlier on this echo, they have divirged quite a
bit, and now it is confusing to try and make the two storylines converge as if
they take place in the same universe/reality zone.
so you like connor's character better? of is it the actor christopher lambert
that you prefer?
i admit that my stronger attraction to adrian paul may well be because the
television series is longer playing that the three movies put together, and
since i like the mythos so much, i want as much as i can get.
actually, my overall favorite immortal was sean connery's rameriz (i know i
spelled that wrong - sorry).
good talking to you.
i hope i didn't come off as "correcting," but thought i'd pass on what someone
had explained to me about the differences between the two charactor/actor(s).
seeYAaround,
Pam
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Msg : 38 of 158
From : Pamela Crossett 1:325/118 .pä 21 .þí 95 01:21
To : Mark Bennett
Subj : Re: spoilers
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
thanks for the info on spoiler alerts Mark.
I won't make that mistake again.
my apologies to all to whom i inadvertantly gave away crucial plot information.
one more question - i recently read that 2 1/2 weeks is the longest an episode
takes to air coast to coast, so after that time, spoilers are no longer
necessary?
is that an accurate piece of info?
should i worry about overseas people who may not get the latest shows as soon as
we do? (on the other hand, perhaps they get them sooner?)
thanks for your help.
i'm a self-confessed newbie.
pam
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Msg : 39 of 158
From : Dean Sweatman 1:396/89 .pä 21 .þí 95 22:25
To : Rumble
Subj : Re: seaQuest
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-=> Quoting Rumble to All <=-
Ru> Lets get some more seaQuest messeges going here OK!
Lets not but tell everyone that we did.
Fiawol
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Msg : 40 of 158
From : Phill Ash 1:275/160 .åò 22 .þí 95 08:12
To : Starwolf
Subj : Re: L.I.S.
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: GE 1.1+
Referring to the amazing lack of "tech" in Lost in Space:
>I was looking for a piece of neutronium to chew on when I heard that
>one.
Did you read any of the comic series (Innovation)? They were
co-written by Billy Mumy and reclaimed the "dark" feel that was
lost after the first pilot. Dr Smith is portrayed as a total
ba$tard who's reprogrammed Robot, Don & Judy are shacking-up
(much to the chagrin of the Elder Robinsons) and the TV series
is written-off as "Penny's Diary".
The "Penny's Diary" angle was a surprising justification for the
non-tech outlook of the series. It seems that Penny, who didn't
have much of a scientific background, would "embellish" the
stories so that they made sense to her. The comic went so far
as to tell a story in "split-mode". The even pages told the
story of the J2's encounter with highly magnetic asteroids,
while the odd pages (Penny's Diary) told of "living asteroids"
that thought the J2 was their "mommy" and wanted to suck the
reactors dry (I think that was written before the ST:TNG ep
"Galaxy's Child").
Rumor has it that a "Lost in Space" feature film is in the
works. If it's anything like the comic...catch it!
Your pal: PhlAsh
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Msg : 41 of 158
From : Steven Wesen 1:271/236 .åò 22 .þí 95 09:08
To : Brian Reepen
Subj : Re: Internet
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: GE 1.11+
Yes try the Dominion which is sponsered by the Sci- Fi channel just use a yahoo
search to find it.
Steve(Merlyn)
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Msg : 42 of 158
From : Bruce Baugh 1:105/290.50 .åò 22 .þí 95 09:08
To : Mark Jones
Subj : ST: The Next Generation
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (17 Jun 95) Mark Jones wrote to Jeff Hancock...
MJ> I won't even go into what becomes possible if you can not
MJ> only store someone's complete physical pattern on disk, but
MJ> can actually call up the FILE EDITOR....
You might want to browse through Frank Tipler's THE PHYSICS OF
IMMORTALITY. He's got reasonably hard data on what sort of computing
power it would take to, for example, recreate every logically
possible human being - it turns out that there are about ten to the
power of (ten followed by seventy zeroes) of us. He's also got a
proposed mechanism to generate the power necessary to do things like
that - collapsing universes don't collapse smoothly and equally in
all dimensions at once, and the shear of one dimension collapsing
faster than the others generates what amounts to infinite power.
Great fun.
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Msg : 43 of 158
From : Bruce Baugh 1:105/290.50 .åò 22 .þí 95 09:11
To : Rob Harwood
Subj : Roger Zelazny, 1937-1995
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (19 Jun 95) Rob Harwood wrote to Bruce Baugh...
RH> He inspired me with his attention to detail when necessary
RH> and utter dismissal of it when it was not necessary. He has
RH> influenced my writing and I certainly will miss him!
And clearly you're not alone - I've seen very moving tributes from
folks including Neil Gaiman, George Alec Effinger, and Barbara
Hambly.
One of the things Zelazny did in all his best work is draw in _all_
the senses. Look through the first few Amber books, or "For a Breath
I Tarry", or "A Rose for Ecclesiastes", or "He Who Shapes", and
you'll find not just sights and sounds but smells and tastes and
textures.
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Msg : 44 of 158
From : Sean McCormick 1:226/1330 .åò 22 .þí 95 17:30
To : Nicolai Shapero
Subj : Msg 2 of 4 (Rules)
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
¦NS> forever. I do not need variants on the Werner-beast on this echo! ¦
ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ;
Who was the werner beast?
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Msg : 45 of 158
From : Paul Goverts 1:2613/135 .ÿò 23 .þí 95 17:51
To : Kay Shapero
Subj : Re: Sliders Continuity
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-=> Quoting Kay Shapero to Jim Cushing <=-
JC> In the June 20 USA Today it has been confirmed that FOX will be
JC>bringing SLIDERS at mid-season. The article also stated that FOX has
JC>ordered 13 episodes.
KS> Goodie!
YES! They had never given Sliders a chance before they took it off....
Paul
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Msg : 46 of 158
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .óá 24 .þí 95 09:06
To : David Johnston
Subj : Star Trek
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.42.bA 8060
DJ>It is not warmongering to strengthen ones defenses on a frontier
DJ>which has a declared enemy. Quite the contrary, failure to do so
DJ>invites invasion.
True but defense and offense are entirely different things, and
Roddenberry never envisioned humans as constantly on the offensive,
militarily (like the Klingons). I'm sure this is why he discouraged
shows featuring armed conflict...
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Msg : 47 of 158
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .óá 24 .þí 95 09:46
To : Mark Jones
Subj : Accusations
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.42.bA 8060
MJ>[Mini-Review of B5 Novel #2, ACCUSATIONS: I enjoyed this novel much
MJ>more than the first one. And I had no trouble believing that this
MJ>story could have been filmed as an episode or two of the series. It
MJ>worked quite well, I thought.]
Sure, as a novel it worked OK, but as a sci-fi novel, it left a lot to
be desired. This was just more cloak and dagger, with the B5 characters
tacked on...
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Msg : 48 of 158
From : Kay Shapero 1:102/524 .åò 22 .þí 95 23:20
To : Tom Huber
Subj : What if
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On , Tom Huber (1:115/477) wrote to Kay Shapero:
TH>Seriously, it sounds like a worthwhile book. I haven't found all
TH>the UBS in our new area, so I may put out a FUBS request on SF and see
TH>what they can churn up.
STEEL BEACH was recently released in pb (I've got a hardback that someone made
the unbelievable goof of putting into the library book sale for $1) so you
shouldn't need a UBS - you'll find it in the new ones too. (Sorry, you can't
have MY copy... :->)
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Msg : 49 of 158
From : Kay Shapero 1:102/524 .åò 22 .þí 95 23:22
To : Jim Cushing
Subj : Re: Sliders Continuity
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On , Jim Cushing (1:123/75) wrote to Starwolf:
JC> In the June 20 USA Today it has been confirmed that FOX will be
JC>bringing SLIDERS at mid-season. The article also stated that FOX has
JC>ordered 13 episodes.
Goodie!
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Msg : 50 of 158
From : Kay Shapero 1:102/524 .åò 22 .þí 95 23:23
To : ROBERT LIDGREN
Subj : CUDOS FOR THE SHAPEROS
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On , ROBERT LIDGREN (1:134/10) wrote to ALL:
RL>As far as I know, the Shaperos moderate this group and their
RL>great example
(Blush) Thanks - however be it noted that the Shapero who moderates this group
is Nicolai. I just serve as resident noodge... :->
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Msg : 51 of 158
From : Joel Jessup 1:2613/105 .åò 22 .þí 95 23:42
To : Brian Reepen
Subj : Internet
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
BR> Would any one out there know any good Si-Fi spots on the Internet?
On the World Wide Web, there's the Science Fiction Channel's website called The
Dominion. I believe the location is http:/www/sci-fi.com
Also there are a couple of web sites for Trek related items and for Babylon 5
and Star Wars.
JGJ
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Msg : 52 of 158
From : Walter Sorrell 1:3637/77 .pä 21 .þí 95 15:21
To : Anyone
Subj : Bionic What?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Hey does anyone remember a cartoon series called something like the
Bionic Five or Bionic Six? The leaders were a middle aged couple Father
One,who had enhanced hearing and sight, and Mother One, with
artificially enhanced telepathic abilities. The rest of the team were
"adopted children."
Sport One was a young man, about sixteen, who had a magnetic hand and
could turn any sport equipment into a weapon.
There was a young woman, also sixteen, with blonde hair; she could run
pretty fast (about Mach One) and had speakers on her shoulders that
could shatter steel.
There was an Asian guy, about seventeen, who seemingly has mastered
every martial still practiced, with help from his bionic implants. I
can't remember his code name.
Also a black guy, about twenty or so, called IQ. I have no idea now
what his specialty was.
I think there was another but I could be wrong.
The team had a pet-like robot that looked like a mechanical gorilla
that took care to house when they away on missions. I think it was
called Squeeky or something cute like that. I remember it would do
almost anything to eat aluminum cans.
The whole team had normal lives, the kids went to school, had friends
and the usual teenage angst from time to time. They all lived in normal
looking suburban residence.
Everyone of the members were "rebuilt" by a doctor but I can not
remember what his name was.
Anyway, the team led normal lives until the doctor would contact them.
When they wanted to go from normal to full power they would slam a ring
on one hand into the other arm, somewhere around the wrist and twist
their hand.
The principle villains was a "mad doctor" named Scarab, that was
always on a quest to become immortal. The were his lackeys but I can
not remember what they were called. There was one guy who usually wore
a purple suit and he liked to though bombs with a lacrosse-like
attachment on his bionic arm. There was the usual attractive evil
female but she had horrible scars on one side of her face, that she
usually concealed with her hair or a mask. And of course, there was the
usual extremely stupid but strong lackey that was barely smart enough to
remember to breathe.
This may seem very long to you but I needed to write this all down the
first time to make sure that someone could identify the name of this
show and what eventually became of the show. I used to watch this show
as much as possible but the superstation that carried it dropped it
suddenly and I eventually forgot that it existed.
Though it is not terribly important that I find out, I would
appreciate any help.
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Msg : 53 of 158
From : Chris Carter 1:105/302.23 .pä 21 .þí 95 03:19
To : Patrick Thoms
Subj : OLD YELLOW EYES/WHERE CAN
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
RL> Can anyone tell me of a source for the recording Brett Spiner
RL> (DATA) did cal "OLD YELLOW EYES?"
PT> I have the tape. Good music too!
If y'all want some real fun, and have World Wide Web capability, try
the Captain Kirk Sing-a-long page, at:
http://www.ama.caltech.edu/~mrm/kirk.html
It has wavefile snippets of songs from an album William Shatner did
some years back. The page also has links to some sounds from Brent
Spiner's music.
Chris - carter@teleport.com
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Msg : 54 of 158
From : Mark Jones 1:105/302.47 .îí 19 .þí 95 19:50
To : J Hulley-Miller
Subj : Sliders - Bathroom? Wash
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (15 Jun 95) J Hulley-Miller wrote to Frank Glover...
JH> No to mention technical ones. It should be impossible to replicate
JH> energy, Human brains require it. You could manufacture a lot of dead
JH> bodies, but not crews.
If that were the case, you'd kill everyone who ever went through a
transporter. Because the transporter is doing exactly what the
replicator does: it disintegrates Riker at point A, creating a
"transporter trace" in the process. The transporter trace is used to
guide the recreation of Riker at the far end.
Which is all that a replicator does, except that it recreates things
from patterns scanned in earlier.
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Msg : 55 of 158
From : Mark Jones 1:105/302.47 .òp 20 .þí 95 18:23
To : Ecarey
Subj : B5 FRANCHISING
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (15 Jun 95) Ecarey wrote to Frank Eva...
FE > This is an UNfortunate consequence of there being a 5 year story
FE > > "arc", which is something trek never had. Trek novelists had
FE > > leeway to make good original sci-fi stories. All we get from B5
FE > > novelists is 'cloak and dagger' and 'murder-they-wrote'.
FE >
E > This isn't what the people who've written Trek novels say [and I know
E > one of them extremely well, and others more casually. The Trek novel
E > writers all say that the restrictions are extreme, often silly, and
E > subject to change without notice.
Don't forget also that the lack of scientific continuity in Trek makes
it easy to write an "original" novel--because no consequences need to
be considered. So what if the novel postulates a fantastic new
technology, or an amazing new use of an old one...it won't make any
difference in the long run.
B5 novels, on the other hand, are apparently held a different (I'd say
tighter, but that gets into value judgments, so..."different")
standard. They may not be able to advance the plot--but apparently,
they won't be allowed to work at cross-purposes either.
[Mini-Review of B5 Novel #2, ACCUSATIONS: I enjoyed this novel much
more than the first one. And I had no trouble believing that this
story could have been filmed as an episode or two of the series. It
worked quite well, I thought.]
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Msg : 56 of 158
From : Mark Jones 1:105/302.47 .òp 20 .þí 95 18:35
To : Jack Butler
Subj : Batman Forever Review
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (18 Jun 95) Jack Butler wrote to All...
JB> I may, or may not, discuss spoiler material in this review.
Ditto for me.
JB> Everybody else, the elevator is going down.
Or as Hudson says in ALIENS, "We're on an express elevator to hell.
Going DOWN!"
JB> Not that they do too much character development in the third
JB> film... But still, it felt good. Finally we see a Batman who
JB> is Billy-Badass on the hand-to-hand arena, just like he is
JB> supposed to be. This Batman uses his head for more than a target,
JB> too. Not that Burton's Batman was written as an idiot, but we get
JB> to *see* him using his noodle in this one.
I didn't think Bats exactly stunk at hand-to-hand in the first
film, for that matter. He beat up quite a few gun/sword/club wielding
thugs, after all.
JB> So, action... great. Character usage... great... except for Dick
JB> Grayson/Robin. Granted, he only comes in half-way through the
JB> film, and isn't the star of the show anyway, but geez, guys. He
JB> pops in and out like a piece of bread in a toaster oven. Either
JB> decide to use him or *don't*.
I must confess that I was appalled by the news that they were
introducing The Boy Hostage.
I was very pleasantly surprised to discover that I *liked* this
Robin. And that I was pleased to see him presented as a capable
character in his own right, and able to take dramatic action when he
needed to (such as getting into the silver closet...).
JB> Tommy Lee Jones does a really great job as Two-Face. He actually
JB> stands up to Jim Carrey as the Riddler. The aura of boiling
JB> insanity covered by a thin veneer of absolute psychosis works
JB> well. (I loved that one scene during the attack on Wayne Manor...
JB> Two-Face flipping the coin, over and over, exasperated because it
JB> keeps coming up heads.)
And I appreciated our first sight of him, when he flips a coin to
decide the fate of the security guard. And, yes... he does abide by
the coin toss...more or less. But that doesn't mean he's going to let
the guy get away unharmed.
I didn't care for the Riddler here. As you say, it was a rehash of
Carrey's stand-up act in many ways. And just too over-the-top for my
tastes.
JB> One last thing: what the heck is up with this "kill the
JB> supervillain" nonsense! First, the Joker, then the Penguin, then
JB> Two-Face! Hello, McFly! Ever consider that you may want to bring
JB> one or two of them back for a sequel?
Well, yes, the Joker is definitely dead, dead, dead.
The Penguin is dead, dead, dead.
But Catwoman? She's alive--I'd bet my comic book collection on it.
Two-Face was last seen sliding into watery oblivion...but he'd
hardly be the first villain to escape from "certain death".
And the Riddler is alive, albeit insane and confined to Arkham
Asylum. But so what? He was insane BEFORE he was captured. It means
nothing. He could make a come-back.
So by my count, three of the five villains from the movies are
potential sequel-fodder.
MY main complaint with the film is that they've reused the same
subplot for the THIRD time in as many movies. The Babe Du Jour and
Bats are attracted to one another; Babe discovers Batman's Secret
Identity; Babe Du Jour mysteriously vanishes before the next movie.
Isn't there *something* else they could do here? Anything?
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Msg : 57 of 158
From : Mark Jones 1:105/302.47 .òp 20 .þí 95 18:49
To : Jack Butler
Subj : Kilmer as Batman
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (18 Jun 95) Jack Butler wrote to All...
JB> Warner Brothers has already announced that both Val Kilmer and
JB> Chris O'Donnell have signed to make further Batman films after
JB> this one. Nicole Kiddman has also stated that she would welcome
JB> the opportunity to do another one.
And despite my initial fears, I'd welcome Chris O'Donnell's
appearance as Robin again. He was much, much better than I feared
he'd be (not that I doubted the actor--I'd never heard of him. I
feared what they'd do with the character of Robin).
If Nicole Kidman stuck around, I wouldn't mind either. She was
certainly delectable to look at. And having her character *stay* for
the next movie would be a welcome change from the "Babe Du Jour"
routine they've employed so far.
JB> The only problem I can see is a villain shortage. Right quick
JB> they are going to run out of "recognizable" villains for Batman
JB> to fight. All the villains who became "name recognizable" by way
JB> of the 60's TV show (the Joker, Penguin, Riddler, Catwoman) have
JB> been done (and most have been killed off in the movies). So, that
Well, Joker and Penguin are definitely deaders.
But Catwoman is still around, I believe. (Or could easily be,
because we NEVER SAW THE BODY...a cardinal rule in comics and pulp
fiction.)
As for Riddler and Two-Face...well, I won't say since it might
spoil the movie. But I don't think the well is quite as near dry as
you seem to think.
JB> Still, I have some ideas. I've long since retired the original
JB> wish list I posted oh so many years ago, but Dustin Hoffman as
JB> The Mad Hatter, Helena Bonham Carter as Poison Ivy, Alan Rickman
JB> as Maxie Zeus, Wesley Snipes as the Black Spider, Lance Henrikson
JB> as Ra's Al Ghul, Michael Biehn as Deadshot, and Patrick Stewart
JB> as Mister Zero would all do as villains. Also, I think John
JB> Goodman would do well as The Ventriloquist.
Well, here's where we separate the men from the boys, or the real
Batman fans from the hangers-on. I recognize only three of these
supervillains' names (Mad Hatter, Ra's Al Ghul, and Deadshot). Which
is probably bad news for the marketing department at Warner/DC, since
I was heavy into superhero comics at one time. But as Batman wasn't
one of my regular fixes, I don't know who a lot of these guys/gals
are.
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Msg : 58 of 158
From : Mark Jones 1:105/302.47 .òp 20 .þí 95 18:59
To : Jack Butler
Subj : B5 Ripoff: Ds9
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (18 Jun 95) Jack Butler wrote to Brian Henderson...
JB> ... "The Death Star will be in range in 5 minutes."
Alfred Hitchcock occasionally spoke of a concept called
"refrigerator logic". By which he meant, a plot element that would
hang together long enough for the movie goer to enjoy the film, get
home, open the refrigerator for a midnight snack and *then* think,
"Hey, wait a minute..." If the plot held together that long, he
considered it a success, even if later you could pick it apart.
Your tagline reminded me of the most durable piece of refrigerator
logic I know of.
It took me fourteen years to think, "Hey, wait a minute...."
At the climax of STAR WARS, the Death Star is closing on the rebel
base on the moon of the gas giant. The fighters are sent out in a
desperate attempt to destroy the Death Star before it gets into
position to destroy the moon. And they succeed.
Unfortunately, there are two possible solutions that would have
enabled the Death Star to win, had they been employed.
1. The Death Star is capable of hyperdrive. Why not *flit* to the
other side of the planet?
2. Why go AROUND the gas giant, when they could simply BLOW IT UP?
Even if the explosion didn't destroy the moon, a second shot would
have been easily made.
Ah well, refrigerator logic....
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Msg : 59 of 158
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .ÿò 23 .þí 95 07:13
To : Ecarey
Subj : B5 RERUNS???
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.42.bA 8060
E>FE>While UPN is showing NEW episodes of Legend, and USA is showing NEW
E>FE>episodes of Tekwar! Go figure! :-)
E>But Tekwar is cancelled, and Legend is cancelled with some slight hope
E>that they might get a second chance as a mid-season replacement.
E>Those \are\ throwaway episodes, as far as USA and UPN are concerned.
E>Do we really want BABYLON 5 to be treated the way the \cancelled\
E>shows are being treated? I know \I\ don't.:)
I see no REAL evidence that TekWar and Legend have been cancelled. When
I read about it in TV Guide, that's when I'll believe it.
In the meantime, I think PTEN should show the last 4 episodes... THIS
SEASON. They aren't treating B5 like a "cancelled" show by doing so.
They're simply finishing the season the way it was scheduled to be
finished. To allow PTEN the EXCUSE you and others have provided is
nothing more than trying to put a good "spin" on the wrong decision!
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Msg : 60 of 158
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .ÿò 23 .þí 95 07:13
To : Ecarey
Subj : B5 TALK
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.42.bA 8060
Elisabeth Carey again tries to put a good "spin" on the decision to
delay the airing of 4 season 2 episodes until season 3...
E>The \dedicated\ fans would see these episodes, but B5 can't survive on
E>just the most fanatical of its fans, any more than any other series.
You don't make any sense! If B5 just barely picked up enough new viewers
this season to get renewed, how is saving 4 episodes going to guarantee
that the show will attract MANY new viewers next season? What is PTEN
going to do this November... announce during B5 advertisements... "We
saved 4 episodes for you from last year! These will get you caught up on
the B5 saga and make up for the 40 you missed!" Yeah, right... If they
could miss 40 episodes and make up for it in 1/10th of the time, what
would that say about B5? How about... it ain't that deep? Yeah, that'll
really encourage new viewers to watch.
E>Show four first-run episodes in July, when the more casual fans WON'T
E>be watching, and you damage their ability to pick up the thread when
E>the new season premieres, and increase the likelihood that they'll
E>stop watching.
Baloney! New viewers are already ticked off about the B5 story arc.
Saving 4 episodes isn't going to fill in that much of the gap. After
all, "And Now For A Word" was supposed to have accomplished this,
already.
E>And if too many "casual" fans stop watching, the dedicated B5 fan is
E>going to be out of luck, because the series will be cancelled.
With the way PTEN affiliates have been handling B5 (our local affiliate
just switched it AGAIN; now it's supposed to be on Saturday night
instead of Friday...) CASUAL fans are pretty much out of the loop,
anyway. IMO, PTEN should not take such drastic measures and perhaps
alienate LOYAL fans in the process!
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Msg : 61 of 158
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .ÿò 23 .þí 95 07:13
To : Gamin Davis
Subj : Voyager Nose Diving?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.42.bA 8060
GD>FE>DJ>So, you don't like Paris and Kim?
GD>FE>Not particularly... But not enough to stop watching. I am also not
GD>FE>enamored with Torres, Tuvok, Janeway, Kes, and Neelix, either...
GD> So why are you watching Voyager then? Special effects?
Well, right now I'm NOT watching... because I've seen every episode and
they're in reruns. Next season I'll be watching to see if they learned
anything from industry pundits who have given the show less than glowing
marks. Perhaps the entire next season will wind up being as good as this
season's first 9 episodes, and not just an extension of the lackluster
final few episodes...
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Msg : 62 of 158
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .ÿò 23 .þí 95 07:13
To : Mark Jones
Subj : Torres in Faces
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.42.bA 8060
MJ>I think Torres *could* have dealt with her problem during subsequent
MJ>episodes, even without being the focus of the storyline. They spend
MJ>time "developing character" on the characters anyhow. They could
MJ>spend the time on Torres as she deals with the radical change she's
MJ>undergone.
Yeah! Instead of her solving upteen technical problems with more inane
technobabble, this would be a refreshing change of pace. Just imagine, a
sentient creature dealing with a real-life problem! What a unique
concept for post-TOS Star Trek! :-)
MJ>(For that matter, I'd like to see the repercussions of Neelix and Kes
MJ>each having only one lung. I was rather shocked by that episode--in
MJ>that they *didn't* wave a magic wand over them. They had to settle
MJ>for a less than ideal solution, because restoring Neelix to his
MJ>original state simply wasn't possible. This was so unlike Trek that
MJ>I was impressed. Unfortunately, that too has been glossed over. Now
MJ>its as if it never happened.)
So "glossed over", I had completely forgotten how the problem had been
solved! Neelix and Kes... with just 1 lung each... You'd think there
would be some complications down the road...
--- CMPQwk 1.42-R2 #145 ---
Am I ignorant or apathetic? I don't know and I don't care!
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Msg : 63 of 158
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .ÿò 23 .þí 95 07:13
To : Robert Lidgren
Subj : HARLAN ELLISON
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.42.bA 8060
RL>He wrote the story from December 10th to December 12th 1984
RL>(according to the insert).
RL>So, although Harlan may be notorious for delays, he is also capable
RL>of writing stories with incredible power and lasting impact in a very
RL>short time too.
Well, that's kind of what William Shatner's Star Trek memories said...
that his problem is not the actual writing, but motivating himself to
get started on a new project.
RL>I've been on board since issue #1 of Rabbit Hole and find the
RL>material to be rivetting.
To be perfectly honest, I have a collection of Ellison's stories (it's a
hard-bound book almost 3 inches thick), but I have never been able to
get into his work. I don't read much sci-fi any more, but I was an avid
reader of Arthur C. Clarke at one time. Up until recently, I read just
about every ST:TOS novel I could get my hands on. However, the series
has taken a definite downturn, with less innovation and more reliance on
murder and political intrigue. So, I haven't read a ST:TOS novel in
quite a long time. Since I found the first 2 Babylon 5 novels totally
disappointing, I'm hoping the X-Files series will be better. I have the
second in the series (they were sold-out of the first...)
Have you seen any of Ellison's "editorials" on the Sci-Fi Channel? In
his last tirade, he gave a scathing denunciation against trek fiction.
He said that sci-fi fans were missing out on excellent original science
fiction because publishers won't bring in stuff from outside the USA.
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Msg : 64 of 158
From : David Johnston 1:342/14 .åò 22 .þí 95 00:40
To : Jeff Young
Subj : Re: Babylon5
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> Babylon 5 is pretty da**ed important and as for the size, I really
-> can't say for sure. As for the planet it is orbiting around, I
-> believe that it is Minbar.
You are incorrect. It's actually a uninhabited (OK, one inhabitant)
world which is actually a camouflouged engine of ultimate destruction.
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Msg : 65 of 158
From : Gloria Darcy 1:124/8107 .åò 22 .þí 95 20:18
To : Brian Kuhnel
Subj : Re: Highlander Scedule
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Okay, Brian, I think we missed some episodes or something, because I had no idea
Ann knew that Duncan was immortal! Never did I see an episode where she found
out about it and neither did I see an episode where it was told that Ann is
pregnant! I am just baffled! When on earth did all of this happen?
Gloria
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Msg : 66 of 158
From : Gloria Darcy 1:124/8107 .åò 22 .þí 95 20:20
To : John Kahane
Subj : Earth 2/So Long
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Hi JOhn! I don't know how to quote online on this board, so I am writing in
response to our conversation about Earth 2. I hope that another network does
pick up this show eventually. It was pretty good.
Gloria
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Msg : 67 of 158
From : Gloria Darcy 1:124/8107 .åò 22 .þí 95 20:26
To : Rumble
Subj : B5 VS ST 1/2
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Stephen Hawking is the correct spelling. He just visited our University here in
Dallas, Texas where I work. He was quite amazing ,from what I understand. I
was unable to attend.
Gloria Darcy
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Msg : 68 of 158
From : Gloria Darcy 1:124/8107 .åò 22 .þí 95 20:27
To : Frank Eva
Subj : Hairdo Award
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Re: Bun of Steel Janeway. Funny, real funny! Do you think it looks that bad?
Gloria
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Msg : 69 of 158
From : Star Hawk 1:362/708.6 .îí 19 .þí 95 15:58
To : Frank Glover
Subj : Re: Torres in Faces
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
From my perch I saw this come out of the gravity well from Frank Glover:
[> Mark Jones [> After all, why spend most of your life in a starship
[> risking death by accident, attack or simple failure of systems that
[> aren't being maintained properly (because they *can't* be) when
[> you'll only get back home after 70 years anyhow?
[> Frank Glover [> ...and, as you say, Voyager may have to do the
[> whole 70 year trip.)
You're both forgetting that the 70 year figure is if they travel in a
straight line back to Federation space at _sustained_maximum_warp_! No
Starfleet ship can maintain maximum warp for that length of time; at best, they
can run at maximum warp for a couple of days; after which they have to give the
engines downtime to allow them the time to recover from that strain.
So my WEG estimate is that the journey will take a minimum of a century, a
maximum of 180 years, and mean time of 140 years [in round numbers, and this
assumes no shortcut route found]. Practically speaking, very few [excluding the
Doctor, of course ], if any, of the original crew will be alive [if they have
to travel the long way] by the time the ship reaches Federation space, the ship
will end up being crewed by a second, third, or even fourth generation, the
descendants of the original crew.
Star Hawk, the EchoTrickster
--- MacWoof Eval:23Dec93
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Msg : 70 of 158
From : Star Hawk 1:362/708.6 .îí 19 .þí 95 18:51
To : J Hulley-Miller
Subj : OPEN INVITATION
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
From my perch I saw this come out of the gravity well from J Hulley-Miller:
[> For Dr. Who: http://www.phlab.missouri.edu/c621052_www/Dr.Who/
Except that i just tried that URL [at 6:30PM EDT 6/19] and was told that it
doesn't exist.
Star Hawk, the EchoTrickster
--- MacWoof Eval:23Dec93
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Msg : 71 of 158
From : Star Hawk 1:362/708.6 .pä 21 .þí 95 19:47
To : Jack Butler
Subj : Batman Forever Review
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
--> Note:
Moved (from: BAD_MSGS) by Peg Smarekar using timEd.
From my perch I saw this come out of the gravity well from Jack Butler:
[> Jack Butler [> (I loved that one scene during the attack on Wayne
[> Manor... Two-Face flipping the coin, over and over, exasperated
[> because it keeps coming up heads.)
Uhh, Jack? Two-Face's coin is a double-headed one, so it always comes up
heads. The difference between the two sides is scarred and unscarred.
Star Hawk, the EchoTrickster
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Msg : 72 of 158
From : Rumble 1:163/436 .åò 22 .þí 95 10:04
To : Mark Jones
Subj : Federation Idiocy
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
The Aliens of the Trek univers are much more sneaky than Babylon 5's. You see on
Babylon 5 we know what all of them are going to do, jsut attack. But on DSN we
have no idea exactly what the Dominion are going to do with the Alpha quadrent.
--- Maximus 2.02
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Msg : 73 of 158
From : Rumble 1:163/436 .åò 22 .þí 95 12:03
To : Dexter Fernandez
Subj : Re: Star Trek
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
The Feds will finaly come to their senses and wipe out the Dominion. The Alpha
quadrent has to band together to destroy the Gamma Quadrent. Like mount Defiant
style phasers on Warbirds.
--- Maximus 2.02
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Msg : 74 of 158
From : John Kahane 1:163/198.5 .åò 22 .þí 95 16:16
To : All
Subj : Temporarily Lost SFFAN
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Well, the board off which I point has lost a whole batch of mail that came
through the mailer for this echo through problems from the Hub. Or some such
explanation...that's what the sysop around here told me. So, as a result I've
missed two or three days worth of mail in this area.
If anyone had anything that was of real importance to say to me, please
repost it...or send it netmail. Thanks.
John
.....
You don't fool me, 'cause I know what you feel.
--- GoldED/2 2.42.G0614
* Origin: JohnK's OS/2Warp Point - Ottawa, Ontario (1:163/198.5)
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Msg : 75 of 158
From : John Kahane 1:163/198.5 .åò 22 .þí 95 16:28
To : Myra I Fox
Subj : BABYLON 5 (PTEN)
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
In a message of , Myra I Fox scribed:
JK>> That is not true information. The negotiations for the
JK>> renewal of B5 had a lot to do with individual stations,
JK>> policies concerning re-runs, and other stuff. While the
JK>> series could have been cancelled, true, there were a *lot*
JK>> of people who fought to keep it on the air.
MIF> I like hearing that! B5 is one of the few things I watch
MIF> anymore and it is good to know that there are others who
MIF> like it enough to fight to see the entire cycle of the show.
One of the people fighting for the series was JMS himself. Granted that
he couldn't take the fight to the show the way a lot of the fans could (by
writing letters and so on), but he did what he could on the nets as far as I can
tell. It's good to know that there is justice in the world of syndicated
television, and that we'll be seeing the third-fifth of the story this coming
November. :)
JK>> .....
JK>> I hold a cup of wisdom, but there is nothing within.
MIF> ... The usefulness of the cup is the space within.
MIF> ... How can you taste my wine if you don't first empty your
MIF> cup?
Not bad, but I'm thinking of Kate Bush. :)
John
.....
So when you look into the sun, see all the pleasures nearly won.
--- GoldED/2 2.42.G0614
* Origin: JohnK's OS/2Warp Point - Ottawa, Ontario (1:163/198.5)
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Msg : 76 of 158
From : John Kahane 1:163/198.5 .åò 22 .þí 95 16:32
To : Jeff Young
Subj : BABYLON 5 Thought
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On , Jeff Young wrote the following to Seth Horne:
JY> Babylon 5 is pretty da**ed important and as for the size, I
JY> really can't say for sure. As for the planet it is orbiting
JY> around, I believe that it is Minbar.
The station does not orbit the planet Minbar, it orbits the planet Epsilon
3. Minbar is the home world of Ambassador Delenn of the Minbari Federation.
John
.....
Counting lambs, counting sheep, we will fall into sleep.
--- GoldED/2 2.42.G0614
* Origin: JohnK's OS/2Warp Point - Ottawa, Ontario (1:163/198.5)
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Msg : 77 of 158
From : John Kahane 1:163/198.5 .åò 22 .þí 95 17:09
To : Ecarey
Subj : B5 TALK
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On , Ecarey wrote the following to Frank Eva:
E> The "loyal fans" ought to care a bit more about the fact that
E> PTEN, which \must\ make a profit if it's to continue showing
E> ANY shows, now consider the four remaining B5 episodes of this
E> season to be too \valuable\ to waste in July.
Yep, this is something that's been pointed out on the nets, and while most
of the loyal fans seem to appreciate the fact that PTEN now views these episodes
as valuable, the fans don't seem to get it for the most part. I think that it's
heartening.
John
.....
And your wise men don't know how it feels to be thick as a brick.
--- GoldED/2 2.42.G0614
* Origin: JohnK's OS/2Warp Point - Ottawa, Ontario (1:163/198.5)
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Msg : 78 of 158
From : Starwolf 1:163/214 .ÿò 23 .þí 95 01:45
To : Jim Cushing
Subj : Sliders Continuity?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
13 episodes? That's good news indeed. Thanks for the info.
--- Maximus 2.01wb
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Msg : 79 of 158
From : Starwolf 1:163/214 .ÿò 23 .þí 95 01:46
To : Bruce Baugh
Subj : Bear truths
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
BB> According to both JMS and PAD, actually, the spacing the bear was
BB> JMS. So was the moment of perfect beauty.
I should be interested to find out if either were KNIGHT RIDER fans. In one
episode, there's an electronic toy which is a talking teddy bear. A very
OBNOXIOUS, talking teddy bear. (GOOD KNIGHT'S WORK(?) At the end of the
episode, Micheal and KITT, fed up at the thing, use KITT's ejection seat to get
rid of the thing. The last scene is of the bear flying up, through the air, out
of the car. Coincidence?
--- Maximus 2.01wb
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Msg : 80 of 158
From : Phill Ash 1:275/160 .ÿò 23 .þí 95 08:49
To : Jack Bulter
Subj : Highlander 2&3 on video
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: GE 1.1+
While at Blockbuster the other day, I noticed "Director's Cuts" of
Highlander 2 & 3....
I asked a friend about 2 and he said that the story is "smoothed over"
and all the Zeist nonsense has been eliminated.
What can you add to this?
D'ya know anything about H3(DC)?
Your pal: PhlAsh
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Msg : 81 of 158
From : Steven Wesen 1:271/236 .ÿò 23 .þí 95 09:52
To : Tony Trujillo
Subj : Re: Kilmer as Batman
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: GE 1.11+
The Scarcrow was shown in a small moment at the end of Batman Forever.
--- GEcho 1.11+
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Msg : 82 of 158
From : John Kahane 1:163/198.5 .ÿò 23 .þí 95 10:58
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : Plot Point
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
In a message of , Jeff Hancock scribed:
JH> Did anyone suggest opening jump points within structures or
JH> planets (or stars...) to JMS?
Not as far as I know, Jeff... and with good reason. JMS has said
repeatedly that he will not participate on echoes and in places where folks are
discussing plots, because once that happens he can't use a plot that he might
have been working on if someone suggests it to him. The reason behind this is
that he doesn't want to open himself up to lawsuits and the like from folks who
might claim that Joe stole an idea of theirs. Still, it's not a bad idea for a
plot...or at least a story hook. (But in some ways, it does sound awfully STAR
TREKish, doesn' it?)
John
.....
The poet and the painter, casting shadows on the water...
--- GoldED/2 2.42.G0614
* Origin: The Point Away From Home (1:163/198.5)
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Msg : 83 of 158
From : Pamela Crossett 1:325/118 .ÿò 23 .þí 95 11:00
To : Gloria Darcy
Subj : HighLander, The Series
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
GD> I think it's just disgusting that your channel is going to drop
GD> Highlander. Let us know how things turn out if you decide to pursue
GD> your plans to contact the Highlander producers, etc.
Gloria,
what is this all about? who cancelled highlander?
GD> Thank God! We absolutely have a Highlander withdrawal
GD> panic attack if we can't see it once a week!
i agree here, i must have my weekly fix, even if it's just a repeat!
seeYA
pam
___
This copy of Freddie 1.2.5 is being evaluated.
--- Maximus/2 2.02
* Origin: The Ozone Layer, Williston, VT. (802) 862-5058 (1:325/118)
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Msg : 84 of 158
From : John Kahane 1:163/198.5 .ÿò 23 .þí 95 11:03
To : Jack Butler
Subj : B5 Comic Down
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On , Jack Butler wrote the following to Brian
Henderson:
JB> You simply *must* be joking. Warner Brothers
JB> is a division of Warner Communications, which is an overbody
JB> which directly controls all arms of the company, including
JB> Warner Brothers films, WBN, PTEN, and, incidentally, DC Comics
JB> (what a surprise that they are doing the B5 Comic...)
Yeah, but the B5 comic will be coming to an end with the December issue of
the comic. The only reason given by DC for this cancellation of the B5 comic is
internal politics. *sigh*
John
.....
I take my place with the Lord of the hills.
--- GoldED/2 2.42.G0614
* Origin: The Point Away From Home (1:163/198.5)
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Msg : 85 of 158
From : John Kahane 1:163/198.5 .ÿò 23 .þí 95 11:05
To : Bruce Baugh
Subj : Roger Zelazny, 1937-1995
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
In a message of , Bruce Baugh scribed:
JK>> Zelazny was one of my favourite writers, and to hear of his
JK>> death has made this day somewhat bleaker. My condolences to
JK>> Roger Zelazny's family on their loss. May Zelazny's spirit
JK>> walk the patterns of Amber for eternity.
BB> It's been interesting to see the response of the sf community,
BB> writers and readers, to Zelazny's death. _Nobody_ who ever
BB> met him seems to have a bad word for him. He is universally
BB> praised as courteous, gracious, patient, and altogether
BB> gentlemanly.
I only met Roger Zelazny once, and that was at a convention that I
attended some six years ago or so. Zelazny was one of the kindest, warmest, and
personable people that I'd had the pleasure of meeting. I've rather enjoyed all
of the Zelazny fiction that I've read in the past, and his loss to us as an sf
and fantasy writer will be overshadowed only by our loss of a true gentleman.
John
.....
Draw the lace and black curtains and shut out the whole truth.
--- GoldED/2 2.42.G0614
* Origin: The Point Away From Home (1:163/198.5)
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Msg : 86 of 158
From : John Kahane 1:163/198.5 .ÿò 23 .þí 95 11:09
To : Mark Jones
Subj : Franklin's Ego Thing
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On , Mark Jones wrote the following to Jeff
Hancock:
JH>> Well, yes, but... Well, when Biggs talked about the dying
JH>> Narns, he said "you see God reflected in their eyes", not
JH>> "you see the face of God reflected"... Different doctor I
JH>> know, but ... I see your point, but I tend to think that he
JH>> might not have said that if he didn't think he saw anything
JH>> resembling a face.
MJ> If I were a cynic (which, of course, I'm not...), I'd say
MJ> that when the doctors looks into the eyes of the dying Narn
MJ> and sees God reflected in them, he's seeing *himself* reflected
MJ> there. And he sees God because he has an ego of gargantuan
MJ> proportions. (Insert "I am the God, *I* am the God!" rant
MJ> here.)
Frankly, I think that you may be partially right about Dr. Stephen
Franklin here. "Confessions and Lamentations" made a strong case for this, but
also pointed out that it was Franklin's belief in his religion (Foundationism or
some such) as his basis for this belief. Otoh, there is the episode from the
first season, "Believers," where Franklin and Sinclair had the whole debate of
whether doctors are gods and their ability to cure and heal and their feeling
that it's their responsibility to heal the patient, no matter what his/her/its
beliefs about the matter. That could have just been Franklin's religious
beliefs coming out in the early going, as well.
John
.....
The Christmas spirit is not what you drink.
--- GoldED/2 2.42.G0614
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Msg : 87 of 158
From : John Kahane 1:163/198.5 .ÿò 23 .þí 95 11:23
To : Rumble
Subj : Star Trek
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On , Rumble wrote the following to Dexter
Fernandez:
R> The Feds will finaly come to their senses and wipe out the
R> Dominion. The Alpha quadrent has to band together to destroy
R> the AGamma Quadrent. Like mount Defiant style phasers on
R> Warbirds.
Like, NOT! The Federation is going to be up to its ears in problems,
judging from what Piller and Berman have been saying. It seems the Federation
will have a bit more on its mind than just the Dominion - they'll have to deal
with the end of the Federation/Klingon peace treaty!
Gee, it sounds like the folks at ST: DSN are about to bring a war into the
storyline... I wonder where they got the idea from? :)
John
.....
As the ice did cling onto his beard, with screaming agony.
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Msg : 88 of 158
From : Bill Hedrick 1:282/26 .ÿò 23 .þí 95 15:28
To : David Johnston
Subj : Star Trek
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
In a message dated 06-21-95 DAVID JOHNSTON wrote to FRANK EVA:
DJ> -> DJ>If he didn't want his concept associated with war-mongering, he
-> DJ>shouldn't have put the Klingons in there. For that matter, he
-> DJ>probably should have set his series on a little unarmed exploratory
-> DJ>ship as opposed to a big battle wagon.
-> Every story needs protagonists, but IMO, GR never envisioned "us"
-> becoming equally militaristic...
DJ> It is not warmongering to strengthen ones defenses on a frontier
DJ> which has a declared enemy. Quite the contrary, failure to do so
DJ> invites invasion.
Being 43 I have a bit of perspective here, even though "my" war (Vietnam) was
not an example of this, GR's war was: "The only way evil may prosper is for
good men to do nothing."
He saw the results of appeasement and lack of readiness to defend oneself.
This is a violent world/universe and there are only two peaceful states: The
grave after being killed by your enemy and the peace derived from an adequte
defense. I fear we now have been without a real threat for so long that most
young Americans don't know this...
Ciao,
BILL
-> Alice4Mac 2.5d3 E QWK Eval:27Dec94
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Msg : 89 of 158
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .ÿò 23 .þí 95 20:38
To : FRANK EVA
Subj : HARLAN ELLISON
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> Have you seen any of Ellison's "editorials" on the Sci-Fi Channel? In his
-> last tirade, he gave a scathing denunciation against trek fiction. He said
-> that sci-fi fans were missing out on excellent original science fiction
-> because publishers won't bring in stuff from outside the USA.
Well Frank, no worries! Some people hate Ellison and his work. I think he
writes very well and his fiction isn't strictly science fiction it's
speculative fiction.
Unfortunately, I can't get the Sci-Fi Channel here in Canada so I am very
envious! Do fill me in on Harlan's tirades though. What programs does this
channel offer?
If getting non-U.S. authors to a wide audience in the U.S. is true then it's a
real shame. I often find that reading authors from OUTSIDE North America is an
enriching experience. I also find that travelling "off continent" opens up
ones eyes and thinking in ways that you can never really replicate when you
don't travel. So far I've been to Europe three times and really enjoyed
myself. Travelling to the Greek Islands and throughout Britain was quite a
culture shock but in many ways I found that there are "other" ways to live that
are pretty exciting too. The truth is that Americans never really have nearly
the interest in other countries to the DEGREE that other countries have this
insatiable fascination with America. I happen to really enjoy travelling in
the U.S. Why? Because I like the PEOPLE I have met. Americans have PLENTY to
be proud of and to be THANKFUL for.
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Msg : 90 of 158
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .ÿò 23 .þí 95 20:42
To : KAY SHAPERO
Subj : CUDOS FOR THE SHAPEROS
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> RL>As far as I know, the Shaperos moderate this group and their RL>great
-> example
-> (Blush) Thanks - however be it noted that the Shapero who moderates this
-> group is Nicolai. I just serve as resident noodge... :->
Thanks for the clarification. However, I still want you to accept the cudos
too. Why do you think we are so impressed with this Fidonet Echo? It's
because people like you make it a great place to hang out. Besides, I am tired
of the whinning and idiot put-downs I see in so many other areas. Here, people
spar about IDEAS and that's what makes it a joy to join in. I thinbk that
Frank Eva is one heck of a positive contributor too! And he's funny to boot!
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Msg : 91 of 158
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .åò 22 .þí 95 06:09
To : Kevin Ahearn
Subj : Kilmer as Batman
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Quoth Kevin Ahearn, "Nevermore".
KA> How 'bout Tim Curry as the Scarecrow?
Not thin enough.
Jack Butler
... "Silence! I've had enough of this wowdy wabble webel behaviour."
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Msg : 92 of 158
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .åò 22 .þí 95 06:11
To : Marc Zingarelli
Subj : Kilmer as Batman
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Quoth Marc Zingarelli, "Nevermore".
MZ> But you forgot Mr Freeze? And the rest of the motley cast. I do like
MZ> your suggestions by the way. Or how about a remake of the original
MZ> batman movie where all the villains got together?
How 'bout let's not. Mister Freeze is Mr. Zero in the comic books.
I also figure Lance Henrikson would be a good Ra's al-Ghul.
Jack Butler
... "Zero, my hero... How wonderful you are!"
--- FMail 0.98a
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Msg : 93 of 158
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .åò 22 .þí 95 06:16
To : ROBERT LIDGREN
Subj : B5 RIPOFF: DS9
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Quoth ROBERT LIDGREN, "Nevermore".
RL> Well done Jack! It's fine to criticize ..Trek. However, when anyone
RL> stereotypes hundreds of thousands like this it demonstrates a certain
RL> lack of analysis and common sense. The idea that "Trekkies" (cute but
RL> pretty useless term) only support Star Trek incarnations flies in the
RL> face of the barest rudiments of logic.
I'm even willing to bet that if you took away all of the Trek fans
out of the "B5 fan" crowd, you'd have few people left indeed. The rather
nonsensical idea (one which Mr. Henderson apparently believes wholeheartedly,
apparently) that being a fan of the one show somehow "disqualifies" you from
being a fan of the other... I don't know who first came up with this little
"gem", but it's dumb.
Jack Butler
... Can you yell "yIHmey!" in a crowded Klingon restaurant?
--- FMail 0.98a
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Msg : 94 of 158
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .åò 22 .þí 95 06:57
To : Dwight T. Fidler
Subj : Highlander, The Movie
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Quoth Dwight T. Fidler, "Nevermore".
DTF> Ah But In The Movie HIGHLANDER THE GATHERING The Two Of Them Meet!!!
DTF> It Came Out Before The Nonexistant One There... But After The
DTF> First And Original (best) One!!! It Was Based On The Series!
DTF> Most Rental Places I've Seen Have It But I've Never Seen it For
DTF> Sale...
<...>
DTF> HIGHLANDER I
DTF> HIGHLANDER: the gathering
DTF> HIGHLANDER: the sorcerer III
DTF> HIGHLANDER: the series
Okay, time for a little explanation:
1. Highlander: The Gathering is *not* a "Highlander Movie". It was,
and is, two episodes taken from the series (specifically "The Gathering",
which was the pilot episode, and "Revenge is Sweet", which was the fourth
episode of the series) and put together on a videotape. They are not a
movie. They are not a movie. They are not a movie.
As Nicolai says, what I say three times is true.
Also for the record, Highlande II: The Sickening came out before the
television series.
Jack Butler
Highlander Guru
... "You gonna turn off the tape or shoot me with the .45?" -- MacLeod
--- FMail 0.98a
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Msg : 95 of 158
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .åò 22 .þí 95 06:58
To : Dwight T. Fidler
Subj : Immortal List 1
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Quoth Dwight T. Fidler, "Nevermore".
DTF> Have You Seen Highlander III Yet?
I'm the Highlander Guru. I saw it three times before it was released
in general distribution.
Jack Butler
... "The Eiffel Tower. The world's biggest lightning rod." -- MacLeod
--- FMail 0.98a
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Msg : 96 of 158
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .åò 22 .þí 95 07:00
To : David Mohorn
Subj : Highlander, The Movie
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Quoth David Mohorn, "Nevermore".
DM> If you would have watched the series pilot, you would have seen Connor
DM> McCleod. He has also appeared in another episode too.
No, he hasn't. Christopher Lambert, as Connor MacLeod, has only
appeared in one episode: "The Gathering". He was *mentioned* by name only
in "The Prodigal", "The Watchers", "Alliance of Evil, Part 1", "They Also
Serve", and "Finale, Part 2", but did not make an appearance.
Jack Butler
... "You can rest assured, I *will* find him..." -- Mako
--- FMail 0.98a
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Msg : 97 of 158
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .åò 22 .þí 95 07:02
To : Starwolf
Subj : The best?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Quoth Starwolf, "Nevermore".
TH>So very, very true. What I find is that so many people want to claim
TH>that Robert Heinlein is the "best" SF author of all time. I disagree,
TH>and lay that title as Asimov's feet.
St> What about the 'calssic' authors - Jules Vernes and Herbert George
St> Wells?
Were you here when some Trek fan said that it was obvious that Trek
was the best SF ever, since Jules Verne was a great SF writer, or something
like that?
Jack Butler
... Good games are built on the shoulders of good players.
--- FMail 0.98a
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Msg : 98 of 158
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .åò 22 .þí 95 17:33
To : Chad Schlenker
Subj : Kilmer as Batman
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Quoth Chad Schlenker, "Nevermore".
CS> Plus the Riddler isn't dead... Who knows if they didn't kill him off
CS> they may be planning to bring him back...
Could be... though I wonder if doing so might not be seen as rehashing
old ground.
Jack Butler
... Chad Schlenker, Jedi Knight.
--- FMail 0.98a
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Msg : 99 of 158
From : Chris Baugh 1:105/290.5 .åò 22 .þí 95 17:46
To : Heather Hood
Subj : Garden State Science Fiction Conspiracy Update
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (20 Jun 95) Heather Hood wrote to Dan Kachoogian...
HH> And the strip twister doesn't hurt either! :)
Gee, the crew of the Enterprise only played poker once a week. I
suppose that the younger officers on Voyager get bored more easily,
but I'm afraid I missed this episode.
--- PPoint 1.92
* Origin: "Bother," said Pooh (1:105/290.5)
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Msg : 100 of 158
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .åò 22 .þí 95 17:47
To : Ecarey
Subj : B5 VS ST
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Quoth Ecarey, "Nevermore".
Ec> In the two-parter about the Obsidian Order and the Tal Shayar falling
Ec> for the Dominion bait and getting blown away, the Federation \knew\
Ec> what was happening before Sisko reported, and had a fleet able to
Ec> assemble near the wormhole "just in case" WITHIN TWENTY-FOUR HOURS.
Ec> Now, we KNOW Bajor just isn't that close to significant Federation
Ec> territory and forces - normally. That's a dedicated secret fleet,
Ec> secretly based close enough to get to the wormhole or the Cardassian
Ec> border near the wormhole \quickly\, but far enough back so that the
Ec> Cardassians, the Romulans, and the Dominion won't easily detect it.
I see we think along similar lines. Have you ever
worked in the Intelligence field?
Ec> I think we can safely assume that those dedicated warships for which
Ec> the Defiant is the prototype HAVE been built. And why is this
Ec> unreliable prototype out on the border where the Federation's most
Ec> dangerous potential enemies can get an eyeful of it? So that they'll
Ec> assume the project was a failure, of course.
It also serves as a bit of a warning. "See what this thing is capable
of, and its just a prototype". Deterrance is a valid part of diplomacy.
Jack Butler
... "I thought that love would last forever. I was wrong." -- Auden
--- FMail 0.98a
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Msg : 101 of 158
From : Chris Baugh 1:105/290.5 .åò 22 .þí 95 17:49
To : ROBERT LIDGREN
Subj : EARTH 2/SO LONG
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (21 Jun 95) ROBERT LIDGREN wrote to MARK JONES...
RL> What I'd like to see is stories about a future world where
RL> there is LESS of the underclass (say, those who make less than
RL> 10.00 an hour) and an EXPANSION of jobs which takes skills and
RL> are more rewarding.
You're in luck, Robert, someone made a TV series just for you. One
of the premises is that, in the future, food, shelter and the other
necessities of life will be equally available to all through
convenient technology, so that mankind can explore the cosmos while
ever improving in bravery, diplomacy and the arts. If you're lucky,
you might even be able to catch a rerun of this series. It was
called Star Trek.
--- PPoint 1.92
* Origin: "Bother," said Pooh (1:105/290.5)
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Msg : 102 of 158
From : Chris Baugh 1:105/290.5 .åò 22 .þí 95 18:13
To : Mark Jones
Subj : replicated people?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (17 Jun 95) Mark Jones wrote to Jeff Hancock...
MJ> They have had such problems. That's when they use the
MJ> "transporter trace" to retrieve the poor sap. Which is partly
MJ> why I find the "we can't replicate people" rule completely
MJ> bogus. Ah well.
Mark, the transporter/replicator system CAN replicate people.
After the Sanctuary riots, things actually got much, much worse.
A small group of very wealthy individuals funded the original
replicator research projects, acidentally inventing the transporter
in the process. When WWIII massively depopulated the Earth, this
group (those rich enough to get through anything) used replicator
technology to provide a large population of "their kind of people."
Before doing so, they modified the energy to matter conversion
process so that the energy stream was filtered, to remove two
attributes from anybody transported: first, the ability to reason
that the technology could replicate people (passing through a
Starfleet transporter simply "rewires" that portion of the brain
necessary for that operation); and second, the desire to act as an
individual when liberty might conflict with the continued existence
of a large number of mediocre people suitable for the beauracratic
class. These modifications were designed into the basic circuitry
for the transporter system, and the circuit was later modified to
become the "bio-filter." Before the repopulation project began, all
mentions, records, and plans of transporter technology that would
not perform this mental filtering were destroyed. This explains
that blandly homogoenous attributes of Starfleet officers, and of
all Federation people who have ever been sent through a
Federation transporter.
During the Repopulation, history was rewritten - with forged
evidence and planted false memories - that the Sanctuary
Riots shocked the public at large into voting for a new Golden Age.
Picture the Earth remade in the image of the City Club of Portland,
New York's Upper East Side summer-at-the-Hamptons class, Swiss
bankers, and the CFR. Pretty close to the Federation government,
eh?
Other people routinely use the transporter as an immortality machine
and a handy means of cloning. However, as Starfleet personnel are
biologically incapable of understanding those concepts, their minds
interpret evidence of those activities as something else. Sometimes
the concepts that are invented to explain these transporter
activites are ludicrous, but Federation personnel are as oblivious
to the logical inconsistencies in these stories as a color-blind
person is to the inappropriateness of their green and brown painting
of a sunset.
--- PPoint 1.92
* Origin: "Bother," said Pooh (1:105/290.5)
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Msg : 103 of 158
From : Paul Worley 1:2601/515 .ÿò 23 .þí 95 01:21
To : Bruce Baugh
Subj : Roger Zelazny, 1937-1995
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
20 Jun 95 08:22, Bruce Baugh wrote to John Kahane:
BB> It's been interesting to see the response of the sf community,
BB> writers and readers, to Zelazny's death. _Nobody_ who ever met
BB> him seems to have a bad word for him. He is universally praised
BB> as courteous, gracious, patient, and altogether gentlemanly.
In two weeks I'll be heading down to Atlanta for NASFiC. I'm sure there will be
quite a buzz going around about the loss. I'll post a message about what I hear
when I get back.
Paul
--- GoldED 2.42.G0614
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Msg : 104 of 158
From : David Little 1:106/7287 .ÿò 23 .þí 95 05:58
To : Jack Butler
Subj : Star Wars
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-=>} Jack Butler belched these words of wisdom! {<=-
DL> Sherman, set the wayback machine for 1977.
DL> If you CAN remember, there were several times rumors abounded
DL> about Star Trek making a comeback. They tried, fell apart.
JB> I remember all the hoopla about "Trek Phase II", and I was as
JB> skeptical then as I am now.
Some of use still are...[DoLittle points to his aunt who is disgusted
with the latest DS9 episode...]
DL> Will he back down? NO!! It would be a PR nightmare for
DL> LucasFilm if he did that. The reputation of the afforementioned
DL> companies would go down the tubes. Why would he lie about something
DL> like this when it would cost him everything?
JB> I disagree. Lucas could very easily simply shut up about future
JB> Star Wars films and the hullabaloo would die out. Quietly, slowly, but
JB> it would die. And no one would ever say a thing.
There are several hundred thousand fans who would...not to mention the
merchandising arm!!
JB> Why should they? Its been 20 years (nearly, anyway) since the
JB> original film. There is an entire generation of science fiction fans
JB> to whom Star Wars was *not* a "sudden phenomenon". Give you a good
JB> example of what I mean: I played Star Wars for my nephew Bradley (who
JB> is 15 and hadn't seen any of the Star Wars films). His reaction:
JB> "Pretty neat, but the effects could have been better..."
JB> *These* kids are soon going to be the primary market target for
JB> science fiction. They have no earthly idea of what Star Wars is, or
JB> meant to *us* in terms of being science fiction fans.
You're nephew is an exception. There are several kids around here in
the 15-under crowd that are becoming the new generation of Star Wars fans.
That, and the fans who saw it the first time will see them again, just to
relive those days of yesteryear! My oldest son, who is now 5, can't get enough
of it, and I found my youngest, who is 3, playing out the 3 lightsaber battles
the other day. I have, of course, several other movies that they can watch
and sometimes they do. But, they almost always want to watch Star Wars. Wife
has even threatened to cut the tapes if they watch it again.
At any rate, I still find it improbable that there will be no new
films.
-=The DoLittle 8-)=-
... What a piece of junk...
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
--- FreeMail/T.A.G. 2.7b Standard
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Msg : 105 of 158
From : Dan Kachoogian 1:107/953 .ÿò 23 .þí 95 08:01
To : Wayne Crow
Subj : Re: CONGO
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
*** Quoting Wayne Crow to Keith Stokes ***
WC> I saw the previews of "Congo". I thought it was pretty cool. I
WC> think
WC> I'll go see it next week. Hope I ain't wasting my money.
I would wait until it's on the late movie on network TV if I were you.
-Dan
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Msg : 106 of 158
From : Timothy Malone 1:343/1 .ÿò 23 .þí 95 21:11
To : Allison Urschel
Subj : X-FILES
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
I think that the X-Files is a great show.I can't wait to see how the last
episode ends.It is probably my favorite show.My name is Timothy Malone please
write.
--- FLAME v1.1
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Msg : 107 of 158
From : Steve Martin 1:271/285 .ÿò 23 .þí 95 21:12
To : James Walton
Subj : Star Wars
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Big Brother caught James Walton & Jim Cushing crimespeaking about Star
Wars.
JW> I wasn't speaking about the economic impact. The numbers no longer
JW> have a meaning these days, by the way, since movie prices are so
JW> inflated. I meant the cultural and social impacts Star Wars had
Agreed. Seems every summer there are two or three records set on
receipts. They should report ticket sales instead.
For that matter, Star Wars is probably very high on the list of *repeat*
ticket sales. Something I haven't heard of much lately.
... Veni Vidi Visa: I came, I saw, I did a little shopping.
--- Blue Wave/QBBS v2.12
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Msg : 108 of 158
From : Rumble 1:163/436 .ÿò 23 .þí 95 22:14
To : John Kahane
Subj : Star Trek
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
I know that the Klingons will be a huge problem. But they really should not be.
Look at all those new a super powerful ships build after wolf 359. The Intrepid
class, the Nebula class and the Defiant! It could take on a small fleet of
Klingons ships and with Sisko at the helm it would most likely win.
--- Maximus 2.02
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Msg : 109 of 158
From : Nicolai Shapero 1:102/524 .óá 24 .þí 95 06:34
To : Frank Eva
Subj : Cancellations
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Actually, Sliders starts up again tomorrow (Sunday, 25 June 1995) at 7 pm...or
so our local FOX station has been advertising...
I don't expect it to be new episodes, but I'll have a tape ready just in case...
-- Nicolai Shapero, the Mad Russian Sysop of StormGate Aerie
--- msged 2.06
* Origin: StormGate Aerie/West LA Netmail Hub/HST (1:102/524)
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Msg : 110 of 158
From : Nicolai Shapero 1:102/524 .óá 24 .þí 95 06:36
To : ROBERT LIDGREN
Subj : SLIDERS RENEWED??
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On , ROBERT LIDGREN (1:134/10) wrote to ALL:
RL>The following is a cross-post from the Earth 2 Mailing list but
RL>it is about
RL>SLIDERS.
RL>According to this post, SLIDERS has been renewed. Can anyone
RL>else confirm
RL>hearing this news from an independent source??
The Fox station in the Los Angeles area has been advertising the return of
Sliders ("new day and time"). It's supposed to start tomorrow (as I write
this). Sunday, 25 June 1995. We shall see...
-- Nicolai Shapero, the Mad Russian Sysop of StormGate Aerie
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Msg : 111 of 158
From : Nicolai Shapero 1:102/524 .óá 24 .þí 95 06:39
To : ROBERT LIDGREN
Subj : CUDOS FOR THE SHAPEROS
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Thankee muchlee. I'll try and keep up the good work.
-- Nicolai Shapero, Moderator of the SFFAN echo
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Msg : 112 of 158
From : Nicolai Shapero 1:102/524 .óá 24 .þí 95 06:42
To : Sean McCormick
Subj : Msg 2 of 4 (Rules)
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On , Sean McCormick (1:226/1330) wrote to Nicolai Shapero:
¦NS> forever. I do not need variants on the Werner-beast on this echo! ¦
SM>ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ
SM>ÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ;
SM> Who was the werner beast?
An individual who was notoriously ill-behaved on all the conferences on FidoNet
that he ever got on to.
-- Nicolai Shapero, Moderator of the SFFAN echo
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Msg : 113 of 158
From : Phill Ash 1:275/160 .óá 24 .þí 95 07:24
To : All
Subj : Micro Machines
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: GE 1.1+
The B5 MicroMachines are finally out!
We managed to find them at (of all places) K-Mart!
Set 1 Set 2
Babylon 5 Vorlon Cruiser
Vorlon Transport Narn Transport
Green Ship (Skylark) Raider Ship
Set 3 Set 4
Centauri Transport Minbari Flyer
Minbari Cruiser Narn Fighter
Star Fury B5 Crew Shuttle
From the Office of the DeathMaster General
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Msg : 114 of 158
From : Phill Ash 1:275/160 .óá 24 .þí 95 07:24
To : Jim Cushing
Subj : Re: Star Wars
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: GE 1.1+
>Disagree, George Lucas has complete control over Star Wars. On top of
>that consider all promotions we will see when the release date for the
>new movie gets closer. I would venture to say that it will probably
>break all the current records for box office receipts.
Batman (the first one) is proof of that.
It was preceeded by a blitz of merchandising, marketing and
hype. "Darkman" saw less of a fanfare upon it's release less
than a month later. Of course "Batman" cashed in while
"Darkman" saw a modest profit. Compared in proportion to the
nauseation factor of the advertising, "Darkman" was much better
than "Batman"
Your pal: PhlAsh
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Msg : 115 of 158
From : Steve Martin 1:271/285 .óá 24 .þí 95 08:37
To : Frank Eva
Subj : HARLAN ELLISON
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Big Brother caught Frank Eva & Robert Lidgren crimespeaking about HARLAN
ELLISON.
FE> Have you seen any of Ellison's "editorials" on the Sci-Fi Channel?
> In his last tirade, he gave a scathing denunciation against trek
> fiction. He said that sci-fi fans were missing out on excellent
> original science fiction because publishers won't bring in stuff
> from outside the USA.
Sounds about right. Aside from US and Canadian writers, and maybe a
couple of British ones, the local bookstore has one book (by Stanislaw
Lem) in it's SF section. If you add the SF/Fantasy books in the kids
section, you can add a handful of British authors.
On only one SF book I've read for the past 8 or 10 years can I remember
seeing a "translated by." (Then again, in that category, outside of the
SF market there have only been 1 work of popular fiction and 2 classics
in the same time.)
... It is better to wear out than to rust out.
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Msg : 116 of 158
From : Gloria Darcy 1:124/8107 .óá 24 .þí 95 19:37
To : Pamela Crossett
Subj : HighLander, The Series
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
I don't remember who this message was to, Pam, but it was someone whose station
decided to cancel Highlander becuase it didn't have enough of an audience.
Sorry, I can't remember.
Gloria
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Msg : 117 of 158
From : Jake Smith 1:3822/1 .óá 24 .þí 95 22:18
To : All
Subj : Battletech challengers ne
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
group looking for 3-8 person gaming group to play against a fellow
gaming group in the futuristic game of combat battletech. also,dm
interested in players for dungeons and dragons campaigns, this includes
AD&D & D&D. -respond immediatly to 484-0838 and ask for Ray or 452-1972
and ask for AJ.
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Msg : 118 of 158
From : Jeff Young 1:232/319 .óá 24 .þí 95 00:44
To : Christian Lacoste
Subj : Re: THE PRISONER
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.41/g 8030
-=> Quoting Christian Lacoste to J.T. Smith <=-
CL> I've seen all 17 episodes almost in a row, so I assume I can have an
CL> opinion now that my psychiatric treatment is over. :)
Same here. Have all 17 on tape and really enjoy going back and watching them.
CL> Some would say that the final scene of the last episode settles the
CL> mystery of The Prisoner. I don't think so. There just are so many
CL> interpretations, all of them equally possible, none of them provable.
Definately! Who exactly is Number 1? There is a bit of Number 1 in all of us
and Number 1 is us! :)
CL> Bonjour chez vous ! -- sorry, I don't know The Prisoner's ritual
CL> welcome/goodbye sentence in english 'cause I saw the series in French.
CL> Quite normal if you consider I *am* French.
Be seeing you. That's the goodbye phrase.
Cheers,
Jeff
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Msg : 119 of 158
From : David Johnston 1:342/14 .óá 24 .þí 95 01:08
To : Mark Jones
Subj : Sliders - Bathroom? Wash
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> JH> No to mention technical ones. It should be impossible to
-> replicate JH> energy, Human brains require it. You could manufacture
-> a lot of dead JH> bodies, but not crews.
-> If that were the case, you'd kill everyone who ever went through a
-> transporter. Because the transporter is doing exactly what the
-> replicator does: it disintegrates Riker at point A, creating a
If the transporter and the replicator were the same thing, they would
have the same capabilities, but they do not.
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Msg : 120 of 158
From : David Johnston 1:342/14 .óá 24 .þí 95 11:20
To : Bill Hedrick
Subj : Star Trek
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> not an example of this, GR's war was: "The only way evil may prosper
-> is for good men to do nothing."
-> He saw the results of appeasement and lack of readiness to defend
-> oneself. This is a violent world/universe and there are only two
-> peaceful states: The grave after being killed by your enemy and the
-> peace derived from an adequte defense. I fear we now have been
-> without a real threat for so long that most young Americans don't
-> know this...
You are really putting words into Roddenberry's mouth here. By the time
of TNG, Roddenberry was a strong backer of appeasement in almost any
circumstance. In fact, it was he who imposed a regime under which the
Enterprise was not allowed to successfully deal with any problem by a
resort to violence, even in self-defense.
Of course, people change. Roddenberry's perspective was originally much
more balanced as of the original series, or so it would seem.
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Msg : 121 of 158
From : Marc Zingarelli 1:226/110 .cê 25 .þí 95 08:34
To : Gloria Darcy
Subj : Re: Highlander Scedule
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 92-0004
Gloria Darcy was overheard talking to Brian Kuhnel,
about Re: Highlander Scedule, in "Joe's Place" and said:
GD>Okay, Brian, I think we missed some episodes or something, because I had no
GD>idea Ann knew that Duncan was immortal! Never did I see an episode where
GD>she found out about it and neither did I see an episode where it was told
GD>that Ann is pregnant! I am just baffled! When on earth did all of this
GD>happen?
In the last 2 or three episodes I believe. One Episode he calls her at Joe's
from paris, the next episode she was in Paris, the next episode or two she
says she can't take the "lifestyle" and is gone. I know it's not alot but my
memory ain't as good as it used to be.
Later
Marc
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Msg : 122 of 158
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .cê 25 .þí 95 08:36
To : Gloria Darcy
Subj : Hairdo Award
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.42.bA 8060
GD>Re: Bun of Steel Janeway. Funny, real funny! Do you think it looks
GD>that bad?
I've never really liked it; so, when TV Guide gave it this award, I
thought they were right-on!
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Msg : 123 of 158
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .cê 25 .þí 95 09:01
To : Robert Lidgren
Subj : Sci-Fi Channel
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.42.bA 8060
RL>Unfortunately, I can't get the Sci-Fi Channel here in Canada so I am
RL>very envious! Do fill me in on Harlan's tirades though. What
RL>programs does this channel offer?
Right now, the schedule is overloaded with short-run series. The only
thing I really look forward to is Space 1999, but they're in season #2,
which was a disaster; so, I'm hoping they'll get back to season #1,
soon. They also have The Twilight Zone, Friday The 13th: The Series, and
they'll have an exclusive on ST:TOS beginning in a year or two. They're
getting Max Headroom and The Flash later this year.
--- CMPQwk 1.42-R2 #145 ---
In his confusion, Kirk uses Scotty as toilet tissue...
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Msg : 124 of 158
From : Dexter Fernandez 1:203/1701 .òp 20 .þí 95 04:45
To : Brian Henderson
Subj : Re: Voyager Nose Diving?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
"Brianmeister! Brianster! The Brianinator!"
FE> I have given it a chance. I taped all of the first 9 episodes, and
FE> will keep them in my collection. Since then, the quality has
FE> nosedived, and the writers seem content to rehash old themes.
BH> Well, I'll agree with the last half. I watched the premiere movie, and
BH> was so disgusted by the end that I turned off the tape and erased it.
Here's my theory about what's happening to Trek: The writers are tired.
Voyager has had some good moments, but largely it's been due to the
cast pulling the script out of the hole.
I can't help but wonder what Trek could be if they had the same class
of writers at the helm as B5 does...
Tyrannosaurus Dex
EchoTyrantLizardVolehunterFounder
Volcano Ghod and Moderator of the Terok Nor Echo
... Does the Little Mermaid wear an algebra?
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Msg : 125 of 158
From : Dexter Fernandez 1:203/1701 .òp 20 .þí 95 05:28
To : Myra I Fox
Subj : Re: BABYLON 5 (PTEN)
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
"Myrameister! Myraster! The Myrainator!"
MIF> I watch only 4 shows now and they are all at least marginally sf or
MIF> fantasy :-) Babylon 5, Highlander, Kung Fu: The Legend Continues
MIF> and the X Files.
You didn't like "Sliders?"
Long time no see, stranger!
Tyrannosaurus Dex
EchoTyrantLizardVolehunterFounder
Volcano Ghod and Moderator of the Terok Nor Echo
... Let conscience be your Guinan.
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Msg : 126 of 158
From : Bruce Baugh 1:105/290.50 .ÿò 23 .þí 95 17:03
To : Mark Jones
Subj : Star Wars Fridge Logic
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (20 Jun 95) Mark Jones wrote to Jack Butler...
MJ> 1. The Death Star is capable of hyperdrive. Why not *flit* to
MJ> the other side of the planet? 2. Why go AROUND the gas giant,
MJ> when they could simply BLOW IT UP? Even if the explosion
MJ> didn't destroy the moon, a second shot would have been easily
MJ> made.
Actually, both of these are reasonably hand-waveable. Watch closely.
1. Hyperdrive isn't precise, and seems to work only over long
distances. Jumping through a star system may require actually going
outside it altogether and then back in.
2. We don't know how long it takes to build up a sufficient charge
for the video switcher, er, main gun of the Death Star. Could be
that if they blew up the planet, they'd have to spend a couple of
days recuperating.
... {This tagline may contain an encrypted satanic message}
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Msg : 127 of 158
From : Chris Carter 1:105/302.23 .óá 24 .þí 95 03:22
To : ROBERT LIDGREN
Subj : CHRIS CARTER ??
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (21 Jun 95) ROBERT LIDGREN wrote to ALL...
RL> Is the Chris Carter we see so often here on SFFAN THE Chris
RL> Carter from The X-Files?
No.
RL> Or, is it even SOMETIMES that Chris Carter.
No. The CC who produces the X-Files can only be found on Delphi.
He doesn't have an e-mail address of his own, (at least, not one he
wants to make public) but you can shoot e-mail his general direction
by sending it to foxnet@delphi.com. I think x-files@delphi.com may
also be a legitimate address.
Chris - carter@teleport.com
... "Motorman's Glove will have a hand in it."
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Msg : 128 of 158
From : Frank Glover 1:2613/477 .óá 24 .þí 95 17:46
To : ROBERT LIDGREN
Subj : Re: CHRIS CARTER ??
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
RL> Is the Chris Carter we see so often here on SFFAN THE Chris Carter
RL> from The
RL> X-Files? Or, is it even SOMETIMES that Chris Carter. Keep the
RL> howling and
RL> derision to a minimum if this is read as an idiot question, eh??
He was asked not long ago, and he denies being the same.
Chris is a fairly common name, so's Carter. The combination can't be too
rare.
(I'm sometimes asked, jokingly or seriously, if I'm related to Danny Glover.
Standard answer: "Nope. Not John or Crispin, for that matter...")
Frank
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Msg : 129 of 158
From : Frank Glover 1:2613/477 .óá 24 .þí 95 17:56
To : Walter Sorrell
Subj : Re: Bionic What?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
WS> Hey does anyone remember a cartoon series called something like
WS> the
WS> Bionic Five or Bionic Six? The leaders were a middle aged couple
WS> Father
WS> One,who had enhanced hearing and sight, and Mother One, with
This sounds vaguely like a series call `The Champions,' but I can't swear to
that....
Frank
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Msg : 130 of 158
From : Brian Reepen 1:2410/401 .óá 24 .þí 95 17:58
To : Steven Wesen
Subj : Re: Internet
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On 22 Jun 95 09:08:00, Steven Wesen said this to Brian Reepen
SW> Yes try the Dominion which is sponsered by the Sci- Fi channel just use a
SW> yahoo search to find it.
SW>
SW> Steve(Merlyn)
SW>
SW> --- GEcho 1.11+
SW> * Origin: Time Machine Node 2, Newport News, VA 595-9383 (1:271/236)
Thanks,
Brian Reepen
--- Renegade v10-05 Exp
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Msg : 131 of 158
From : Frank Glover 1:2613/477 .óá 24 .þí 95 18:03
To : Rumble
Subj : Re: Federation Idiocy
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Ru> The Aliens of the Trek univers are much more sneaky than Babylon 5's.
Ru> You see on Babylon 5 we know what all of them are going to do, jsut
Ru> attack. But on DSN we have no idea exactly what the Dominion are
Ru> going to do with the Alpha quadrent.
Hmmm. Larry Niven would've called the former `scream and leap' tactics.
(Which is probably what the GemHaddar would do, left to themselves....)
Frank
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Msg : 132 of 158
From : Frank Glover 1:2613/477 .óá 24 .þí 95 18:09
To : Rumble
Subj : Re: Star Trek
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Ru> The Feds will finaly come to their senses and wipe out the Dominion.
Aside from it being against Federation principles to be *that* aggressive,
what makes you so sure that they *can?* Also, the Fed is still recovering from
Borg-inflicted wounds, too. (They were, after all, the reason the Defiant-class
ships were developed.)
Ru> The Alpha quadrent has to band together to destroy the Gamma
Ru> Quadrent. Like mount Defiant style phasers on Warbirds.
I wouldn't be quite so general. There's probably plenty of harmles
civilizations over there, too. Some of which may not even have *heard* of the
Dominion, others who hate tham, but can't/won't fight them.
Now, if the Borg and the Dominion could somehow be pitted against each
other....but we'd still have to deal with the winner. And the only known easy
access is still the wormhole near DS9....
Frank
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Msg : 133 of 158
From : Starwolf 1:163/214 .cê 25 .þí 95 00:00
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : Vendetta
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
JH>during his final years when he couldn't always keep up with the details
JH>of what was going on; and that this person was fired shortly after his
JH>death. For all I know, this person got rehired...
Richard Arnold? I exchanged a few letters with the guy and he seemd to
be of the attitude that TREK fans had little or nothing to do with its
success and that they should be happy there was a show and let it be at
that. He seriously needed an attitude adjustment as far as his outlook
on his clients was concerned.
JH>blanked on the name, but it was a doublesized novel featuring the return
JH>of the Borg and the Doomsday Machine Mk.2 ... that last might work
JH>better as a movie.
In my opinion - and some of the people in my entourage - it is the
all-time BEST "ST" novel ever written and begs to be made into a movie,
though the sideplot with Geordi trying to return a Borg's humanity is
pretty much rendered unuseable by the not-so-hot TV eposides titled I,
BORG (which came AFTER the book by about a year).
THE DOOMSDAY MACHINE remains my all-time favourite episode set in the ST
universe. I even have the laser dsic because I was wearing out the tape
watching it. VENDETTA had me jumping up and down and clapping my paws
all throughout.
* SLMR 2.1a * "Cities: places you go to NOT do things."
--- Maximus 2.01wb
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Msg : 134 of 158
From : Kavin Kishor 1:153/942 .cê 25 .þí 95 01:29
To : Mark Jones
Subj : Xavier St. Cloud and the Quickening
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: GE 1.12.b3+
Before losing his head, Mark Jones talked to Kavin Kishor about Xavier St. Cloud
and
MJ> On (13 Jun 95) Kavin Kishor wrote to Phill Ash...
KK> Actually I nifty thing that the series has started doing is
KK> make each Immortals "harkening" have aparticular soundclip.
KK> Methos has a an odd chanting to his buzz that lasts for a bit. An
KK> the immortal whose master Duncan killed also had a different type
KK> of buzz than his mentor.
MJ>
MJ> Don't be too sure. I thought the same thing--except that one time
MJ> it wasn't Methos Duncan met, but Amanda.
MJ>
MJ> Personally, I think they're just playing around with different
MJ> sound effects from time to time, looking for nifty ones.
Hmm, I'll have to check that, but I'm almost certain that the
creative staff is trying to add distinctive buzz's to characters.
Actually I don't think we've heard Duncan's special one yet.
... "There can be only one...too bad you're not him." WOOSH-THUD.
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Msg : 135 of 158
From : Paul Worley 1:2601/515 .cê 25 .þí 95 02:23
To : ROBERT LIDGREN
Subj : HARLAN ELLISON
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
22 Jun 95 01:16, ROBERT LIDGREN wrote to PAUL WORLEY:
RL> Do fill me in on Harlan's appearance. I've corresponded with him
RL> and his wife, Susan Ellison, and read his books. I haven't seen
RL> him live ever!
RL> By the way, I received from Harlan this week my CD copy of his
RL> Palladin of the Lost Hour. It's a damn fine recording!! The
RL> liner notes are terrific. By the way, I've been waiting for this
RL> recording for more than 5 years!
RL> If you want details about how to get the album, drop me a
RL> message.
This will be my 3rd time to see him. First was at the Superman Expo in
Cleveland back in '88. Then two years ago at a retailer's comic convention in
Atlanta. In person, he's kinda cold and seemingly cynical. But, as a speaker, he
is a master of words. His keynote speaches are stunning. When he talked about
the younger comics generation not knowing some of the founding comics fathers,
it was enough to bring tears to many, many eyes, as well as a standing ovation,
twice before he was through!
Sure, tell us all how we can get the CD. What all is on it?
Paul
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Msg : 136 of 158
From : Starwolf 1:163/214 .cê 25 .þí 95 02:25
To : Phill Ash
Subj : L.I.S. movie?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Yah, that rumour has been making the rounds for some time. Quite afew Allen
shows are due for movie finales. LIS is one of them. TIME TUNNEL is another.
I know a guy who's hoping for a LAND OF THE GIANTS film. VOYAGE TO THE BOTTOM
OF THE SEA could be fun, but without Nelson (Baseheart dies a few years back) it
just wouldn't be the same. And I'm not sure I'd want to see an updated Seaview.
There was something fun in the old sub that couldn't be recreated in a new,
technically up-to-date version.
--- Maximus 2.01wb
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Msg : 137 of 158
From : Paul Worley 1:2601/515 .cê 25 .þí 95 02:29
To : Phill Ash
Subj : L.I.S.
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
22 Jun 95 08:12, Phill Ash wrote to Starwolf:
PA> Referring to the amazing lack of "tech" in Lost in Space:
Avtually, refering to the LIS comic book, check out issue #1. Inside front
cover, white lettering down in the bottom corner, where it gives all the yucky
boring information and see if you can find my name.
(Shameless self-plug) Special kudos if you write back and tell me what the book
lists my involvement to be... :)
Paul
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Msg : 138 of 158
From : Chris Carter 1:105/302.23 .cê 25 .þí 95 03:54
To : Jim Cushing
Subj : Babylon 5 (Pten)
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (21 Jun 95) Jim Cushing wrote to Brian Henderson...
JC> Come on Brian! Paramount was successful before Star Trek and
JC> it will continue to be successful after the "cow" runs dry.
Aha! That explains the fleshy protuberances hanging from the saucer
section of the Enterprise-D.
Chris - carter@teleport.com
... Warning! This tagline contains Visdormativa!
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Msg : 139 of 158
From : Chris Carter 1:105/302.23 .cê 25 .þí 95 04:18
To : David Johnston
Subj : B5: EA conspiracy
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (20 Jun 95) David Johnston wrote to Chris Carter...
CC> General Hague and Co. aren't enough for you, eh?
DJ> Not really. I'd like to see someone protesting out loud
DJ> instead of just conspiring.
Loud conspirators = Dead conspirators.
Chris - carter@teleport.com
... "Sufferin' Succotash!!!"
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Msg : 140 of 158
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .cê 25 .þí 95 05:49
To : Mark Jones
Subj : Batman Forever Review
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Quoth Mark Jones, "Nevermore".
MJ> I didn't think Bats exactly stunk at hand-to-hand in the first
MJ> film, for that matter. He beat up quite a few gun/sword/club wielding
MJ> thugs, after all.
Compare the fight-sequences in the first film with those in the third.
Then tell me which Batman was the more-skilled pugilist.
MJ> So by my count, three of the five villains from the movies are
MJ> potential sequel-fodder.
None of which they can use without being accused of rehashing old
material.
MJ> MY main complaint with the film is that they've reused the same
MJ> subplot for the THIRD time in as many movies. The Babe Du Jour and
MJ> Bats are attracted to one another; Babe discovers Batman's Secret
MJ> Identity; Babe Du Jour mysteriously vanishes before the next movie.
MJ> Isn't there *something* else they could do here? Anything?
Yes, probably lots. It would be better if they kept a love interest
past a single movie.
Jack Butler
... Next on Geraldo: Is Spock really an elf named Elrond??
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Msg : 141 of 158
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .cê 25 .þí 95 05:51
To : Mark Jones
Subj : Kilmer as Batman
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Quoth Mark Jones, "Nevermore".
MJ> Well, here's where we separate the men from the boys, or the real
MJ> Batman fans from the hangers-on. I recognize only three of these
MJ> supervillains' names (Mad Hatter, Ra's Al Ghul, and Deadshot). Which
MJ> is probably bad news for the marketing department at Warner/DC, since
MJ> I was heavy into superhero comics at one time. But as Batman wasn't
MJ> one of my regular fixes, I don't know who a lot of these guys/gals
MJ> are.
Of my choices, I'd prefer that they use the Mad Hatter and Poison Ivy
first off... they are old favorites of mine.
Poison Ivy, by the by, is a crazed botanist whose skin causes extreme
allergic reactions in those she touches...
Jack Butler
... A tribble a day keeps the Klingons well fed.
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Msg : 142 of 158
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .cê 25 .þí 95 05:52
To : Star Hawk
Subj : Batman Forever Review
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Quoth Star Hawk, "Nevermore".
SH> Uhh, Jack? Two-Face's coin is a double-headed one, so it always
SH> comes up heads. The difference between the two sides is scarred and
SH> unscarred.
I am aware of this, and you knew what I meant.
Jack Butler
... "Event horizon?" -- Kes
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Msg : 143 of 158
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .cê 25 .þí 95 06:59
To : Frank Eva
Subj : DS9 Season 4
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Quoth Frank Eva, "Nevermore".
FE> Yeah, they tried to get Worf, but he refused, citing the fact that
FE> Paramount wasn't offering him enough money to get back into that heavy
FE> makeup.
This is something I will never understand. What is up with people
referring to actors as their characters?
I've seen this in a lot of things, usually on the cover of tabloids at
the local Publix. Just yesterday I saw an Enquirer cover which read
"Superman's Bizarre Suicide Attempt In Hospital". Set me to wondering which
hospital specializes in treating depressive comic book characters... must be
Seder/Sinai...
FE> Yeah, I'll believe this when I see it. Same thing intimated at the
FE> start of the 3rd season, with the introduction of The Dominion, but we
FE> all know where that went...
Ya never know. I'm not expecting much, but ya never know.
Jack Butler
... "Some days this is one helluva big horse..." -- Sheridan
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Msg : 144 of 158
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .cê 25 .þí 95 07:05
To : John Kahane
Subj : B5 Comic Down
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Quoth John Kahane, "Nevermore".
JB> You simply *must* be joking. Warner Brothers
JB> is a division of Warner Communications, which is an overbody
JB> which directly controls all arms of the company, including
JB> Warner Brothers films, WBN, PTEN, and, incidentally, DC Comics
JB> (what a surprise that they are doing the B5 Comic...)
JK> Yeah, but the B5 comic will be coming to an end with the December
JK> issue of the comic. The only reason given by DC for this cancellation
JK> of the B5 comic is internal politics. *sigh*
True, but irrelevant to the point, which was that Warners is just as
much a profit-sucking octopus as Paramount is.
Jack Butler
... "Take your powder, take your gun, report to General Washington!"
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Msg : 145 of 158
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .cê 25 .þí 95 07:09
To : John Kahane
Subj : Star Trek
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Quoth John Kahane, "Nevermore".
JK> Gee, it sounds like the folks at ST: DSN are about to bring a war
JK> into the storyline... I wonder where they got the idea from? :)
Don't be cynical. That's my job. Besides, war has been a part of
the Trek storyline for ages...
Jack Butler
... "Well baste my steaming puddings!" -- Blackadder
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Msg : 146 of 158
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .cê 25 .þí 95 07:15
To : ROBERT LIDGREN
Subj : HARLAN ELLISON
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Quoth ROBERT LIDGREN, "Nevermore".
RL> The truth is that Americans never really have nearly the interest in
RL> other countries to the DEGREE that other countries have this insatiable
RL> fascination with America.
This is because we are the dominant culture on the planet, despite what
the French want to believe. As Attenborough said, "The Americans don't have
to do this because they already live here. To succeed on this planet, one
must be familiar with the American way of doing things. The Americans are
by birth..."
I don't know whether this is a good thing or a bad thing, but it sure
looks like a *true* thing to me...
Jack Butler
... "All right. We waste him. No offense..." -- Hicks
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Msg : 147 of 158
From : Steven Wesen 1:271/236 .cê 25 .þí 95 14:11
To : Walter Sorrell
Subj : Re: Bionic What?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: GE 1.11+
Yes it is called the Bionic 6
--- GEcho 1.11+
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Msg : 148 of 158
From : Starwolf 1:163/214 .cê 25 .þí 95 16:26
To : Steve Martin
Subj : The Prisoner
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
SM>"Be seeing you." I don't know how "Bonjour chez vous" translates into
SM>English, but it looks like "Good day (something)." "Be seeing you"
"Bonjour chez vous" DOESN'T translate. It's gibberish in French. It
SORT OF translates to "Hello in/at your home". At best it's awful
syntax. Unfortunately, the more appropriate "Au revoir!" (Be seeing
you/'till next time) is too short to adequately lip synch with "Be
seeing you", I guess.
* SLMR 2.1a * "Une fois de plus, j'ai manque mon epoque." P. Mortimer
--- Maximus 2.01wb
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Msg : 149 of 158
From : Starwolf 1:163/214 .cê 25 .þí 95 16:32
To : Jeff Schlenker
Subj : Ratings wars?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
JS>Let us also not forget that NBC gave Star Trek THREE YEARS, before they
JS>axed it... What would have happened had Star Trek premiered today?
If it had been done by Speilberg, it wouldn't matter, because he's rich
enough to command no-cut, no-cancel contracts with the networks.
As for three years, that figure is NOT accurate. NBC tried to cancel it
after TWO. Only overwhelming fan support kept it around, but they might
as well not have bothered, since NBC still had its revenge, by putting
in some really incompetent producer/directors (most third-season stories
were dreadful) and placing the show in a late-evening timeslot where it
didn't have much hope of survival. Such tactics are not uncommon even
today when expensive, margianl shows are jerked around such that they
have no hope of gathering decent numbers, and then the network can claim
justification when they yank it. Look at MAX HEADROOM, THE FLASH, and
others which just couldn't sit still on the program grid and, even when
they DID, were pre-empted so often, they may as well not have been on
the schedule at all. And then the networks cry crocodile tears as they
cancel it.
* SLMR 2.1a * "Mr. Worf, set statements on disintegrate."
--- Maximus 2.01wb
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Msg : 150 of 158
From : Starwolf 1:163/214 .cê 25 .þí 95 16:37
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : Redundant engines?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
JH>four-engine design provides some measure of backup (although I'd like to
JH>see how they'd get home on one engine considering that it'd send the
JH>whole ship spinning.)
They MIGHT be able to do it, real slow, if they used attitude jets on
one side to compensate for minumum thrust from the main engines on the
other side. It'd be inefficient, but better than being stranded out
there.
* SLMR 2.1a * 'REALITY' vs 'WISHFUL THINKING' Reality wins every time
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Msg : 151 of 158
From : Starwolf 1:163/214 .cê 25 .þí 95 17:33
To : Mark Jones
Subj : Federation Idiocy
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
MJ>And they abandoned it because it was "overgunned and overpowered" for
MJ>a ship of its size. Which is the stupidest g-d thing I've ever heard,
MJ>even from Federation grasseaters.
Almost as stupid as, having built it, equipping it with a second-rate,
Romulan-loaned cloaking device instead of installing the MUCH BETTER
Federation-designed one demonstrated in THE PEGASUS.
MJ>Which is why none of the hostiles in the Trek universe actually
MJ>*behave* like hostiles. If they did, the Federation would be overrun
MJ>by next Sunday.
Unlpess the Feds behaved in a real-world, non-Politically Correct
fashion and USED their hideous tech to best advantage and wiped out the
opposition. Think for a moment about the REAL ramifications of having
transporter tech, or of being able to accellerate heavy masses to
multiples of the speed of light. And you're going to fight someone who
can do that??? Not in the real world you wouldn't.
* SLMR 2.1a * "Unclear on the concept: Hall of Famer"
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Msg : 152 of 158
From : Kay Shapero 1:102/524 .cê 25 .þí 95 17:58
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : Sliders - Bathroom? Wash
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On , Jeff Hancock (1:3600/7) wrote to Kay Shapero:
KS>KS>Ever witness a flash flood?
KS> JH>Does it break the sidewalk? ;-)
KS>Break it? It washes the dirt out from around it, picks it up, and
KS>carts off sections....
JH>So, to continue the analogy, are you saying that enough
JH>Federation ships firing constantly at the Borg could warp and
JH>tear apart the very fabric of space and cause the Borg ship to
JH>be broken apart and flung away as a result? ;-)
Naw, I was suggesting the analogy was flawed inasmuch as raindrops hitting a
sidewalk need not be harmless at all.
Obviously getting a lot of Fed ships together to shoot at the Borg and blow them
out of space will only work if someone gets to make a heroic speech first... :->
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Msg : 153 of 158
From : Starwolf 1:163/214 .cê 25 .þí 95 18:03
To : Tom Huber
Subj : The best?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
TH>both [Wells & Verne] wrote fiction that seemed "right" for when they
TH>wrote it. And that is something that the rest of us only wish we
TH>could do...
Ideally, dealing with universal themes which never go entirely out of
date. That way, although the technology depicted in METROPOLIS is
hopelessly dated, there's still a fascination with that film. I don't
think it will ever quite stop being interesting.
* SLMR 2.1a * "I've gone off the idea of progress - it's overrated."
--- Maximus 2.01wb
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Msg : 154 of 158
From : James Walton 1:129/260 .cê 25 .þí 95 22:30
To : Jack Butler
Subj : Re: Kilmer as Batman
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
> How 'bout let's not. Mister Freeze is Mr. Zero in the comic books.
No, Mr. Zero and Mister Freeze are not the same characters. They had different
adversayies, etc. Mister Freeze was against Batman. I _think_ Mr. Zero was
against the Flash. There was also Captain Cool and Colonel Cold. (I haven't
read these comics for 20+ years so I may be incorrect.)
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Msg : 155 of 158
From : James Walton 1:129/260 .cê 25 .þí 95 22:35
To : Steve Martin
Subj : Re: Star Wars
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
> For that matter, Star Wars is probably very high on the list of
> *repeat* ticket sales. Something I haven't heard of much lately.
If I recall correctly, Star Wars actually did more business the _second_ time it
was released to the big screen. So many people missed it the first time around
that a second release was called fo.
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Msg : 156 of 158
From : Jim Cushing 1:123/75 .cê 25 .þí 95 07:53
To : Frank Eva
Subj : Re: B5 RERUNS???
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
E>But Tekwar is cancelled, and Legend is cancelled with some slight hope
E>that they might get a second chance as a mid-season replacement.
E>Those \are\ throwaway episodes, as far as USA and UPN are concerned.
E>Do we really want BABYLON 5 to be treated the way the \cancelled\
E>shows are being treated? I know \I\ don't.:)
FE> I see no REAL evidence that TekWar and Legend have been cancelled.
FE> When I read about it in TV Guide, that's when I'll believe it.
Believe it Frank! USA cancelled TekWar. Shatner is attempting to locate
a studio in Canada that will produce TekWar. This past week Legend
officially "bit the dust".
FE> In the meantime, I think PTEN should show the last 4 episodes... THIS
FE> SEASON. They aren't treating B5 like a "cancelled" show by doing so.
FE> They're simply finishing the season the way it was scheduled to be
FE> finished. To allow PTEN the EXCUSE you and others have provided is
FE> nothing more than trying to put a good "spin" on the wrong decision!
Who are you to say it is the wrong decision? Their decision makes perfect
sense. Why would you want to show new episodes of B-5 in July during the
middle of Summer?
... Prune juice: The drink of warriors everywhere!
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Msg : 157 of 158
From : David Johnston 1:342/14 .cê 25 .þí 95 11:05
To : Rumble
Subj : Star Trek
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> I know that the Klingons will be a huge problem. But they really
-> should not be. Look at all those new a super powerful ships build
-> after wolf 359. The Intrepid class, the Nebula class and the Defiant!
-> It could take on a small fleet of Klingons ships and with Sisko at
-> the helm it would most likely win.
Once upon a time someone tried to build the greatist warship in the
world. It was huge and had more guns mounted on than any other ship.
The first time it's guns were fired, it sank. The Defiant is not a
particularly sound design, despite it's firepower, and while it could
defeat any individual Klingon ship, a fleet could pretty quickly destroy
it just by it's own design flaws.
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Msg : 158 of 158
From : Tom Huber 1:115/477 .îí 26 .þí 95 00:10
To : Kay Shapero
Subj : What if
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 94-0102
KS> TH>Seriously, it sounds like a worthwhile book. I haven't found all
> TH>the UBS in our new area, so I may put out a FUBS request on SF and see
> TH>what they can churn up.
KS>STEEL BEACH was recently released in pb (I've got a hardback that someone
>made the unbelievable goof of putting into the library book sale for $1)
>so you shouldn't need a UBS - you'll find it in the new ones too. (Sorry,
>you can't have MY copy... :->)
D*rned! I'll have to go visit a NBS, then. Thanks for the feedback.
Tom
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Msg : 1 of 57
From : SEAN CASZATT 1:2601/512 .åò 13 .þë 95 20:31
To : KEN MAYES
Subj : Re: Red Dwarf
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> I've never seen the American pilot, so I can't really make an
-> judgement there. Although the idea of Terry Farrel as the Cat does so
-> intriguing. But...if they had done an American version of the series,
-> the original actors...and Grant and Naylor as series writers, it woul
-> been something to see. In my opinion it would've rivalled Trek in syn
-> But...it was not to be...unfortunately. (At the very least we might h
-> 26 episodes per season instead of a measely 6. Granted those 6 are be
-> most American offerings...and possibly if there were more, they would
-> funny per minute of airtime, (spreading the humor throughout the epis
-> were). Oh well.
I haven't seen the pilot either, but as is the case with most things
that were originally done in other countries and then "Americanized"
(ie. brought down to the lowest common denominator), I'm sure it would
have sucked.
With the original cast and writers, it may have been better...but as
you said they'd have to spread the laughs over more episode. I think
we're better off with what we have now!
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Msg : 2 of 57
From : Jeff Schlenker 1:288/19 .îí 10 .þë 95 00:00
To : Frank Eva
Subj : DS9 Season 4
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
> QUOTING:
>FROM: Frank Eva
>TO: Jeff Schlenker
>SUBJECT: DS9 Season 4
>DATE: 07-10-95 13:50
FE> As you can see, I am not all that enthused about a Star Trek
FE> that relies heavily on the concept of armed conflict to find an
FE> audience. If that's the direction DS9 is taking, that's just
FE> another nail in its coffin for me...
JS>I wouldn't want every show to be phasers blazing throughout, but an
JS>occasional, knock-down, drag-out, fight for life would be a
JS>refreshing change, IMHO. A person can only take so much of that
JS>cerebral stuff, sitting around discussing problems throughout the
JS>show. :)
FE> Agreed! Some of my favorite TNG eps were those in which The Federation
FE> was up against The Borg! However, I just don't take anything they
FE> promise about DS9 as gospel. They seemed to be promising a new
FE> direction last season, but after those horrible first few episodes, I
FE> knew their "new direction" was going no where it hadn't already.
Hmmmm, how about a new opening monologue for DS9. (Or Voyager, for that
matter.)
...to boldly go where previous incarnations of Star Trek shows have gone
...before!
Jeff
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Msg : 3 of 57
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .ÿò 14 .þë 95 06:40
To : Emilio Ares
Subj : DS9 Season 4
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.45 8060
EA> FE> As you can see, I am not all that enthused about a Star Trek
EA> FE> that relies heavily on the concept of armed conflict to find an
EA> FE> audience. If that's the direction DS9 is taking, that's just
EA> FE> another nail in its coffin for me...
EA>Agreed. IF the armed conflict is integral to the storyline that's
EA>another story. But if the excuse for the storyline is the armed
EA>conflict then you have a show that will not last. I'm thinking of
EA>the series Combat! which takes place during WWII. Armed conflict?
EA>You bet. But the stories was about the characters. In DS9 the
EA>characters are there. They have backgrounds. What are needed are
EA>writers that can take advantage of the personalities of these people
EA>that have been revealed.
We certainly are on the same wavelength! :-)
I really do have doubts about the ability of the writers responsible for
DS9. If they think they can hook in new viewers just by making DS9
another "star wars", they've got another think coming. My problem is
that I have never been very impressed with ANY of their writing to date.
Last year they seemed to be promising a new, more action-oriented
direction, but after the first 2 episodes, I knew this new direction was
not going where I could easily follow. I have never felt drawn to any of
the characters, either. So, it would take a minor miracle of another
direction to get me interested again...
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Msg : 4 of 57
From : John Kahane 1:163/198.5 .åò 13 .þë 95 21:04
To : Chris Baugh
Subj : B5 Comic Down
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
In a message of , Chris Baugh scribed:
JK>> just find it hard to believe that the folks at DC Comics
JK>> would publish such a shoddy product. While comic stories can
CB> Yeah, that amazed me too. The stories weren't bad. I was
CB> especially surprised because on the TV show JMS obviously
CB> works hard on having a good looking program, as far as sets,
CB> lighting, effects etc., so it's a mystery why he would have
CB> approved such lousy art on the comic.
Well, Joe has said that he exercises full control over the majority of the
story elements, the continuity with the series and the overall plot, and that
some of the dialogue he'll plot for the comics, but I've got the impression that
he's not all that involved in choice of artist, if at all. This doesn't
surprise me, since Joe isn't a comics expert; he lets them do their job, and
merely involves himself in the project to the point he feels is necessary.
John
.....
A young man's fancy and an old man's dream.
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Msg : 5 of 57
From : John Kahane 1:163/198.5 .ÿò 14 .þë 95 10:22
To : Kay Shapero
Subj : Conversation started on B5
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
In a message of , Kay Shapero scribed:
KS> Care to continue the RPG character discussion we started over
KS> on the Babylon 5 echo? In here, it's on topic...
Sure thing, Kay... Since you started it over on the B5 echo, you get to
"start it" here again... While it is on-topic here, I suppose it should
have been taken to RECFRP or some such, but to be honest, those echoes have
totally lost my interest.
John
.....
Let me sing you songs from the woods...
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Msg : 6 of 57
From : Tony Trujillo 1:280/9 .óá 15 .þë 95 01:24
To : Starwolf
Subj : Re: Sliders Continuity
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: GE 1.11+
TT>>I'm just hoping some show dies a quick death so SLIDERS can
TT>>take it's rightful place on the tube! :^)
S> I think you don't have much to worry about on that front, given how some
S> networks seem to be trying their damndest to make SURE shows die as
S> quickly as possible.
It seems that they always try to kill all of my favorite
shows however...like MAX HEADROOM. :^<
... "Don't quit your knight job!" Merlin shouted down at Lancelot
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Msg : 7 of 57
From : Tony Trujillo 1:280/9 .óá 15 .þë 95 01:28
To : Kay Shapero
Subj : Re: Sliders Continuity
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: GE 1.11+
KS>> the very last scene is a hoot (and inspired a filk I'm currently
KS>> finishing up. :->)
TT>>You mean the "spaced" teddy bear? :^)
KS> Ayep! There are some other funny bits, notably when Ivanova visits the
KS> store and the "nobody here is quite what he seems" aspect is even more
KS> blatant than usual. :->
I've seen posts about this episode (alien and human masks)
in the echo that have really made me ROFL. I expect nothing
less from Peter David. I would sure like to read some of his
non-Trek stuff like HOWLING MAD. Humm...maybe I should check
out the library. It's a crazy idea but it JUST MIGHT WORK!
:^)
TT>>Really? I didn't know...hummm...could this be in preparation
TT>>for new episodes...do we dare hope? :^)
KS> Fingers, toes, eyes crossed... :->
I'd cross my (_add favorite body parts here_) if it would help! :^)
KS> Ever see the episode where Riker temporarily joins a Klingon ship
Did I? I thought it was one of the top five best ST:TNG
episodes during the run of the series.
KS> introduced to gakh? I'll say this, he's good at contact xenology!
KS> Kirk, otoh, strikes me as being more good at contact *sports*... :->
Uhhh...we are talking about xenology and sports, aren't we?
;^)
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Msg : 8 of 57
From : Brian Henderson 1:207/804 .îí 10 .þë 95 01:07
To : John Kahane
Subj : B5 Comic Down
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
JK> Yep, this pretty much sums up what I understand now to be the case.
JK> Frankly, it amazes me that they expected the comic to appeal to the
JK> die-hard fans of the series, given the shoddy art that has been
JK> presented throughout. While it has gotten better with recent issues,
JK> it's obviously way too late.
As a matter of fact, the B5 comic has gotten a reprieve and will be
around until at least issue 24, giving us more than a year of issues for
DC to increase sales.
I guess all those nasty phone calls to DC do some good after all. ;)
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Msg : 9 of 57
From : Brian Henderson 1:207/804 .îí 10 .þë 95 01:09
To : Jack Butler
Subj : B5 Renewed!
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
JB> I've been much too soft on you, Brian. Your beginning to fall back
JB> into that old "Ignore everyone else's points since I am always
JB> right" mode you tend to fall into.
You know, I'd almost forgotten what kind of self-righteous nonsense you
post, Jack.
JB> Oh. We can assume then that all money generated by these licenses
JB> is being devoted to some charitable organization? And that neither
JB> Babylonian Productions and Straczynski himself aren't seeing dime
JB> one of it.
I'd much rather take the word of JMS, who is directly involved than you,
who doesn't have clue one, as is immediately obvious from your posts.
JB> Trek is irrelevant to the issue, Brian, and always has been. What
JB> Paramount is doing with Trek has no bearing, will have no bearing,
JB> and never has any bearing on the merchandising of Babylon 5. And
JB> since this is true, you should stop your pitiful attempts to shift
JB> the subject away from the truth.
No, Trek *IS* relevant since a lot of JMS's views are a direct
consequence of how Paramount has handled Trek. In fact, it seems to me
that I've posted articles from him on exactly this topic, agreeing with
me.
But I doubt you would ever bother stooping to the truth.
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Msg : 10 of 57
From : Brian Henderson 1:207/804 .îí 10 .þë 95 01:13
To : Frank Eva
Subj : B5 Reruns???
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
FE> Thanks, but I'll take what I read in TV Guide over the crazed rumors
FE> I see posted to the computer networks, any day!
You are, of course, free to do as you wish.
FE> This sounds like just more gobbledygook, like ECAREY was posting...
No, it is the truth. The third season of B5 starts on November 1, 1995
(I don't remember if it is officially the week of October 25 or November
5, since the 1st falls on a Wednesday). By definition, anything that is
shown prior to this week falls in *THE SECOND SEASON* which is exactly
when the last four episodes are being shown. You might not like the
fact that they are being held off and neither do I, but while we're
being pissed off, we might as well be accurate about it.
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X RM 1.3 X Eval Day -17 X There's more than one way to skin a cat; use a
sander.
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Msg : 11 of 57
From : Brian Henderson 1:207/804 .îí 10 .þë 95 02:01
To : Dkimmel
Subj : B5 Reruns???
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
DD> Wrong again, Frank. The new season of B5 starts in November, so
DD> they are not showing the last four episodes "next season."
DD> Apparently you know very little about the television industry. Why
DD> not listen and learn?
Nah... it's much more fun to pretend you know what you're talking about.
For the *FEW* of us who have worked in television in one capacity or
another, we don't have to worry about net rumors, we know the truth.
___
X RM 1.3 X Eval Day -17 X "Sorry... it's the chocolate talking." -- Wakko
Warner, A!
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Msg : 12 of 57
From : Brian Henderson 1:207/804 .îí 10 .þë 95 01:17
To : Jack Butler
Subj : B5 Ripoff: Ds9
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
JB> Personally, Straczynski is so full of it he squeaks. I want to know
JB> his sources; otherwise, he is just being a profit-minded producer
JB> trying to convince people that his biggest (and much more
JB> successful) competitor isn't as great as people think.
The only one around here who is full of it is you, but you know, Jack,
if you want to know where he gets his statistics, maybe you should
*WRITE TO HIM AND ASK*! Are you so clueless that you can't jump over to
the Internet and post a message to straczynski@genie.geis.com? No,
you'd rather sit there on your pompous behind and claim that he, who has
seen these "non-existent" demographics go across his desk, is a liar.
Jack, if anyone here is full of it, it's the one sitting behind your
keyboard.
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X RM 1.3 X Eval Day -17 X Joel: "PMS" * Crow: "Poor Movie Syndrome!", MST3K
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Msg : 13 of 57
From : Brian Henderson 1:207/804 .îí 10 .þë 95 02:09
To : Frank Glover
Subj : B5 Vs St
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
FG> Umm, I give Defiant-class ships more credit than Brian does too (at
FG> least until he says just *what* is poorly designed about them), but
FG> let's not get carried away. In a fair fight (that is, no suprises,
FG> just duking it out), *one* Defiant won't last against a
FG> Galaxy-class.
No offense, but I'm looking at the situation logically (something that
seems to be a dirty word in the Star Trek universe).
Let's look at the time and circumstances that the Defiant was built. A
single Borg ship had just destroyed most of Starfleet (duh, why didn't
the Borg send more ships? It's not like they would have had any
challenge taking over Earth...) The Federation was building the first
dedicated warships (forgetting that the original Enterprise was a
bleeding heavy cruiser, built and intended for conflict). Are we
supposed to believe that they are going to build ships that are inferior
to those (few) that currently exist? It *MUST* have been more powerful
than the Enterprise-D (borne out by the fact that the Defiant survived
while a Galaxy-class ship was blown to smithereens).
Therefore, if we assume that it was at least as powerful as a Galaxy-
class starship, while being much smaller and much more maneuverable, we
have to wonder why it has been so completely outmatched by everything it
has ever encountered. If it is so easily outclassed, why does the
Federation not have a fleet assembled at DS9 as a deterrent against
Dominion attack? Having a fleet hidden somewhere is ridiculous. Once
the Dominion comes through and destroys DS9 and Bajor (which the
Federation is supposed to be protecting), it's a little late to say "Oh,
yeah, we have this fleet over here."
Sheesh.
___
X RM 1.3 X Eval Day -17 X Why experiment on animals with so many lawyers out
there?
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Msg : 14 of 57
From : Brian Henderson 1:207/804 .îí 10 .þë 95 01:22
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : B5 Vs St
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
JH> Considering how little of a Trek watcher you are, I'll have to ask
JH> you to explain your reasons for thinking so. I thought you didn't
JH> watch Trek... so did you base your opinion on watching the episodes
JH> in question, or on secondhand commentary tossed around here?
I do try to watch season finales (which is how I saw the Defiant in the
first place), as well as 4-5 episodes per season, mostly when I think my
stomach can take it again. It isn't that I have some irrational hatred
of Trek, it is that Trek just makes me ill.
As a matter of fact, I did see the season finale last year. Is there
anyone who could not predict that the Changelings ran the Dominion after
maybe 20 minutes of the finale? Or who didn't know for a fact that the
crew of the Defiant was in a holosuite? It was a joke.
Other than that, the Defiant was defined as a failed Federation
experimental warship. Granted, they did have a reason to build one
after the botched Borg attack, but for a ship that was supposed to be
incredibly powerful, it got taken right away By the Dominion. Some
great ship, eh? For a ship that should, by all rights, be more powerful
than the Enterprise-D, it didn't do diddly.
JH> This kind of thing is what makes me doubt you know what you're
JH> talking about here. The controllers of the Dominion *are* the
JH> Changelings, same as Odo. And as has been explained several times,
JH> no Changeling has ever harmed another - although that *changed* in
JH> the season finale. ;) The main reason given for the Dominion not
JH> attacking is because Odo chooses to remain with them ... but that
JH> doesn't stop them from infiltration and trying to get the Alpha
JH> Quadrant races to destroy themselves.
Odo didn't really kill the Changeling, it was a copout making it fall
back against the warp coil. They *SHOULD* have had Odo kill the
Changeling. Instead, as is unfortunately normal, Berman and company
wimped out and made it an accident. What could have been, and should
have been a significant point in Odo's life where he was forced to
choose between his heritage and his duty (not like anyone would wonder
which he would choose), he saved the day in a typical Wesley-esque
maneuver that illustrates clearly all the worst things in the Star Trek
universe.
JH> They have. But they refuse to take him by force, and used trickery
JH> instead; which failed.
That has to be the most ridiculous argument I have ever heard. If so,
then why doesn't the Federation just start sending ships into the
Dominion territory with Odo onboard? They wouldn't *DARE* shoot at
them, would they? Typical two dimensional characterization
JH> Going by Trek history, you would be right. However, they've already
JH> shown a tendency to deviate from history. Odds are on you, but I
JH> wouldn't call it a sure thing.
I *AM* right. You know, I have this on-going bet with my parents about
the Chicago Cubs winning the World Series. I bet it will never happen
and they bet it will. I haven't lost yet and I have a better chance of
losing *THAT* bet than I do of Star Trek writers ever producing a decent
show.
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X RM 1.3 X Eval Day -17 X Immorality will continue until beatings improve.
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Msg : 15 of 57
From : Brian Henderson 1:207/804 .îí 10 .þë 95 02:23
To : Frank Eva
Subj : Ds9 Season 4
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
FE> As you can see, I am not all that enthused about a Star Trek that
FE> relies heavily on the concept of armed conflict to find an audience.
FE> If that's the direction DS9 is taking, that's just another nail in
FE> its coffin for me...
And, if they don't wimp out, a nail *OUT* of the coffin for me. I don't
respect a show that relies on violence for it's audience, but I have
absolutely no respect for a show that hides from violence and pretends
that it doesn't exist when it is called for.
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X RM 1.3 X Eval Day -17 X Oxymoron: Private e-mail.
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Msg : 16 of 57
From : Brian Henderson 1:207/804 .îí 10 .þë 95 02:26
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : Micro Machines
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
JH> I hope this doesn't bode ill for B5 material in general. I haven't
JH> gotten a piece of B5 merchandise yet I haven't had to special-order
JH> in some way, including the books...
No, actually it bodes quite well because it is selling out everywhere.
Exactly the same thing happened to the B5 soundtrack, which stores have
not been able to keep in stock.
___
X RM 1.3 X Eval Day -17 X "Glad to see things back to normal around here."
Ivanova, B5
--- Maximus 2.02
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Msg : 17 of 57
From : Brian Henderson 1:207/804 .îí 10 .þë 95 01:56
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : St Vs. B5
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
JH> But Paramount can't interfere with Warner's contract with JMS or
JH> with PTEN in any way? (aside from putting pressure on syndicated
JH> stations) That's a relief.
Actually, I was wrong. Warner owns the rights to Babylon 5, but JMS
owns the rights to the story that has not yet been filmed. He could
take the story and go elsewhere, he just couldn't call it B5.
And, interestingly enough, Paramount tried to bring pressure to bear
against B5 last season when they started telling TV stations that if
they aired B5, they would not be allowed to show Star Trek. It didn't
work and was a stupid move, both from a legal and a corporate
standpoint.
___
X RM 1.3 X Eval Day -17 X Here Borgy! Here Borgy! Nice Borgy! Want some
Windows?
--- Maximus 2.02
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Msg : 18 of 57
From : Brian Henderson 1:207/804 .îí 10 .þë 95 01:58
To : Craig Palme
Subj : Voyager Nose Diving?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
CP> Hmmm. I see you like B5 also. Too bad Paramont didn't take that
CP> instead of DS9 when they had the chance.
Nah, I'm glad Paramount didn't get their meathooks on B5. It would
never have been the kind of show it is today if they had.
I'll take a lower budget and good writing over Star Trek any day.
___
X RM 1.3 X Eval Day -17 X Buddhist to salad vendor, "Make me One with
everything"
--- Maximus 2.02
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Msg : 19 of 57
From : Emilio Ares 1:379/1 .åò 13 .þë 95 14:52
To : Frank Glover
Subj : Re: Book Discusion Group
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: GE 1.11+
-=>Quoting Frank Glover to Kim Christiansen on 09 Jul 95 08:14:03 about Book
-=>Discusion Group<=-
KC> August Book
KC>
KC> Author: Robert Heinlen
KC> Title: Podkayne of Mars (the book with BOTH endings)
FG>
FG> Both endings? There's more than one version? What are the
FG> differences?
FG> Frank
FG>
In the originally submitted ending, Podkayne dies from the atomic bomb
blast.
Emilio
... Those 3 little words that mean so much: 'Klaatu barada nikkto'
--- GEcho 1.11+
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Msg : 20 of 57
From : Emilio Ares 1:379/1 .åò 13 .þë 95 14:52
To : Greg Mcneil
Subj : Re: No room for Si-fi..
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: GE 1.11+
-=>Quoting Greg Mcneil to All on 07 Jul 95 22:00:00 about No room for
-=>Si-fi..<=-
GM> SO... what do I get in the mail today? Some assinine ad, stateing
GM> that TCI is going to start picking up the -- SEGA channel..
GM> No, No room for Science Fiction shows, but a 24 hour boob-tube game
GM> channel is something they have room for.
GM> And yes, they are going to charge extra for it..
How many home shopping channels does your cable company carry? Ours in
Charlotte, NC carries three by my last count. IMHO that's three too many.
I'd rather they used those channels for something more entertaining like
the History channel or the Tuner Classic Movies channel. Just about
anything bu infomercials and shopping.
Emilio
... "May all your desires be granted at once." -- Persian Curse
--- GEcho 1.11+
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Msg : 21 of 57
From : Andrew Clarke 1:109/369 .pä 12 .þë 95 03:08
To : Jason C Marshall
Subj : Re: Bionic What?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
JCM> So do I, I thought it was neat also. Wish it was still on. The
JCM> old cartoons were alot better. Remember G-Force? Starblazers? Captian
JCM> Harlock? Mighty Orbots?
As mentioned before...Bionic Six is on the Sci-Fi channel every morning (as
far as I know). Also G-Force is on the Cartoon Network all the time (in case
you didn't know already).
Andrew Clarke
... If a mime committed suicide with a gun, would it use a silencer?
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
--- Maximus/2 2.02
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Msg : 22 of 57
From : Andrew Clarke 1:109/369 .pä 12 .þë 95 03:15
To : John Baker
Subj : Re: Quantum Black Holes?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
JB> Damn, did I misread Stephen Hawking? I -swear- he said
JB> they're possible. Actually what I remember is that he said
JB> they're NOT possible but exist anyway and that scares the
JB> hell out of him.
I read in a book about black holes 2 years ago that said a very small one could
exist...but it would only last for seconds...maybe less.
Andrew Clarke
... The best way to accelerate Windows is at escape velocity!
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
--- Maximus/2 2.02
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Msg : 23 of 57
From : John Kahane 1:163/198.5 .óá 15 .þë 95 12:53
To : Frank Eva
Subj : Short B5 Season
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
In a message of , Frank Eva scribed:
FE> This note is in response to all here who want to try to paint
FE> a happy face on the postponement of the last 4 episodes of
FE> season 2...
Well, you are entitled to your opinion on this matter, Frank. :)
FE> I went back and counted the number of new episodes this
FE> season; there were just 17! How is it that ANY show produces
FE> only 17 episodes in an ENTIRE season?
You can't count, Frank. Starting with "Points of Departure" and going up
through "Confessions and Lamentations" there have been eighteen episodes in the
second season of BABYLON 5 to this point.
FE> B5 had 22 episodes in its 1st season! The X-Files had 26 this
FE> season! Is this what we can expect every year, that in order
FE> to be able to afford B5, the network will only pay for 17
FE> episodes?
I have no idea what you're talking about here, Frank. :) The final four
episodes of the Season Two material will be airing just before the start of the
third season. There *are* 22 episodes in the second season of B5, but PTEN has
decided to hold them off from the summer slot and put them into the sweeps
period of the fall.
For the record, JMS has said many times that he intends to have 22 episodes
for each of the five seasons of BABYLON 5, with the possible exception of Year
Five (and not even necessarily then).
FE> Juggling their schedule in order to avoid conflicting with
FE> the start of new episodes of competing series is the kind of
FE> rookie mistake we have come to expect out of PTEN, and now
FE> it's pretty much guaranteed another short year for B5 next
FE> season! Now try to put a good "spin" on this bad decision
FE> PTEN made!
Frankly, you've made two mistakes here. First of all, PTEN is not a
network in the classic sense of the term like NBC or CBS; they are a company
that sells a television show or whatever directly to individual stations and the
like. Thus, they don't directly compete in terms of when to show the new
episodes, since they can only make a suggestion to the stations to which they
sell the shows. If they don't get the complete episodes to the stations before
a certain date, that makes it easier for them to "control" the air dates, but
that's not something that PTEN seems to have a lot of control over. Witness all
the markets where B5 is shown at midnight or early in morning...
Secondly, the "short year" business is a misnomer. JMS is producing 22
episodes of B5 per year; that's his plan. The B5 season isn't starting in
September to begin with (it's starting in late October or early November), so
the season goes longer to begin with. Given some of the production times
required for certain CGI and the like of some episodes, we don't get to see
continuous weeks of new episodes; we get seven or eight of them, followed by
several repeats...this is not necessarily good for the series, but it's
something that makes a lot of sense in that context.
However, there's really one other central point to make here. Regardless
of whether it's a "good spin" or a "bad spin" or whether it's a good or bad
decision on PTEN's part, the decision has been made. Even JMS was unable to
convince the PTEN p-t-bs to change their minds on this; and apparently, he did
try. I think whether this happens again for the fourth season is dependent on
what happens when the episodes air, to be honest with you. And whether B5 is
renewed for a fourth season, of course. And *that's* something else to start
thinking about...
John
.....
Stir the cup that's ever filling with the blood of all that's born.
--- GoldED/2 2.42.G0614
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Msg : 24 of 57
From : John Kahane 1:163/198.5 .óá 15 .þë 95 12:42
To : Ecarey
Subj : Plot Borrowing on TV
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
In a message of , Ecarey scribed:
JK> JK>>> It seems the Federation will have a bit more on its mind
JK> JK>>> than just the Dominion - they'll have to deal with the
JK> JK>>> end of the Federation/Klingon peace treaty! Gee, it
JK> JK>>> sounds like the folks at ST: DSN are about to bring a
JK> JK>>> war into the storyline... I wonder where they got the
JK> JK>>> idea from? :)
JK> MJ>> I wonder.
JK>> Neither of us are *really* wondering about this at all, Mark,
JK>> but it seems =awfully= coincidental, doesn't it?
E> Yeah, nobody ever came up with the idea of a "space war" before
E> JMS, did they? Even Doc Smith stole JMS' idea, complete with
E> one set of all-powerful good aliens and an opposing set of
E> all-powerful evil aliens, both manipulating humanity and every
E> other race they can find in pursuit of their conflict. You know,
E> that awful ripoff of B5, "The Lensmen Series" ? :)
hehe Exactly right, Elisabeth. :) To be honest with you, however, I
think that it can't be all that much of a coincidence that the folks over at DSN
are about to start this whole potential "war footing" thing after it's been
established, and done relatively successfully, over on B5. I'm not saying they
ripped off the plan to do so or anything like that...but it does seem *terribly*
convenient to me...
John
.....
Whilst I appreciate you are no deviate, I might come to some harm.
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Msg : 25 of 57
From : John Kahane 1:163/198.5 .óá 15 .þë 95 12:45
To : Ecarey
Subj : B5 POSTPONED
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
In a message of , Ecarey scribed:
E> They can't advertise them in October as "all-new episodes" if
E> they've already aired them in July. This would make a big
E> difference to both the advertisers and to the more casual
E> viewers - there's no gain over competing series if B5 only has
E> reruns in October, ESPECIALLY if ST:VOYAGER is running NEW
E> episodes.
And yet by its very nature, PTEN has decided to show these episodes in
Britain (and possibly Europe) right after the Tour de France; the first episode
airs July 25th. That means the episodes aren't "all-new episodes" other than in
North America, and the NA fans are the ones getting the shaft here for some
reason. Most of the series out there will start their new seasons some time in
September or whatever. Why not air the four episodes at that point?
E> And what JMS \said\ that everyone seems to have forgotten, is
E> that UPN's decision to hold the last four Voyager episodes until
E> the fall \preceded\ and \precipitated\ PTEN's decision to do the
E> same with B5.
Except there is also the fact that VOYAGER was a mid-season entry to begin
with, and there have only been fifteen episodes to this point in its "first
season." I guess it comes down to the fact that we don't know the real reasons
behind the UPN and PTEN decisions on this, but it seems as if the two companies
want to go head-to-head with the shows.
E> The British market works differently and different marketing
E> conditions apply, on the one hand, and on the other hand, as a
E> practical matter, they KNOW there won't be enough people getting
E> usable bootleg copies to matter - especially as, as was commented
E> above, the diehard fans will watch the October broadcast of the
E> episodes REGARDLESS of whether they've seen them before.
Everything you say above is true, Elisabeth... There's also the other
consideration; assuming that the four episodes air in a row, they won't finish
showing until August 15th. Depending on the mailing times to NA, the time it
takes to convert the Brit tape to NA format, the time it takes to mail the tapes
to friends and all, there's a good chance that one wouldn't see the bootlegs
before the episodes start to air on NA television to begin with.
John
.....
Deep red are the sunsets in mystical places.
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Msg : 26 of 57
From : Starwolf 1:163/214 .óá 15 .þë 95 01:49
To : Judy Hayes
Subj : Destructed plots
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
St> He'd better get used to it. Asimov, who's got a higher grounding in
St> science, got nailed by obsolete plot devices more often than niven
JH> That's only to be expected since Asimov wrote 10 times
JH> more than......anyone.
But he's also got more science training than almost anyone else, too. So, he
ought to have even less of 'miss' record than others, in spite of a large body
of work. I think it isn't so much that he wrote more, but that he wrote for
such a long time. Many accepted tenets had the chance to get knocked down.
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Msg : 27 of 57
From : Starwolf 1:163/214 .óá 15 .þë 95 01:53
To : Phill Ash
Subj : No bat car!!!!!!
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
I fear I have no solid data about the original TV Batcar. The show has been
rerun in the area, though, and I do rather like the thing.
--- Maximus 2.01wb
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Msg : 28 of 57
From : Steve Wright 1:3666/501 .ÿò 14 .þë 95 11:54
To : All
Subj : Worf
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
He is back, and will be returning to Deep Space Nine in their new
season!!
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Msg : 29 of 57
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .cê 16 .þë 95 08:05
To : Jeff Schlenker
Subj : DS9 Season 4
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.45 8060
JS> FE> Agreed! Some of my favorite TNG eps were those in which The
JS> FE> Federation was up against The Borg! However, I just don't take
JS> FE> anything they promise about DS9 as gospel. They seemed to be
JS> FE> promising a new direction last season, but after those horrible
JS> FE> first few episodes, I knew their "new direction" was going no
JS> FE> where it hadn't already.
JS>Hmmmm, how about a new opening monologue for DS9. (Or Voyager, for
JS>that matter.)
JS>...to boldly go where previous incarnations of Star Trek shows have
JS>...gone before!
I'll change that "boldly" to chickenheartedly! :-)
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Msg : 30 of 57
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .cê 16 .þë 95 08:05
To : Greg Mcneil
Subj : Short B5 Season
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.45 8060
GM> FE> Even WITH the 4 episodes that were postponed, we still wouldn't
GM> FE> have a full season... in the traditional sense of the term (but
GM> FE> it would have at least been close to season #1). Juggling their
GM> FE> schedule in order to avoid conflicting with the start of new
GM> FE> episodes of competing series is the kind of rookie mistake we
GM> FE> have come to expect out of PTEN, and now it's pretty much
GM> FE> guaranteed another short year for B5 next season! Now try to
GM> FE> put a good "spin" on this bad decision PTEN made!
GM>And I always thought it meant:
GM>P-Part
GM>T-Time
GM>E-Entertainment
GM>N-Network.
GM>
GM>Notice the first 2 words?
:-) That sure is a much more apropos description, considering how little
(comparatively speaking) original "entertainment" they're willing to
actually pay for...
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Msg : 31 of 57
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .cê 16 .þë 95 08:05
To : Robert Parson
Subj : Short B5 Season
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.45 8060
RP> FE> at least been close to season #1). Juggling their schedule in
RP> FE> order to avoid conflicting with the start of new episodes of
RP> FE> competing series is the kind of rookie mistake we have come to
RP> FE> expect out of PTEN, and now it's pretty much guaranteed another
RP> FE> short year for B5 next season! Now try to put a good "spin" on
RP> FE> this bad decision PTEN made!
RP>I think PTEN made a bad decision.
Thank you!
RP>But whether B5 has 21 or 22 episodes this season is not going to
RP>bring the missing children back home.
Obviously. I think we should be prepared for the worst, however; a 5
year story arc spread out over 6 or more TV "seasons".
RP>Back off. Take it easy. Chill out. It's just a show. Keep it in
RP>perspective with the REAL world rather than the tunnelvision of Star
RP>Trek vs Babylon 5.
I have never been a "trek vs B5" type of person. I like them both. What
I don't have any stomach for is the disappointment suffered when this
rookie "network" made another bad decision that echo-users tried to put
a good spin on. If JMS is REALLY as ticked off about this as everyone
seems to think, there's simply NO WAY to put a good spin on this
decision, and to expect me to do so to placate those users on this echo
who think otherwise is just not in the cards.
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Msg : 32 of 57
From : John Baker 1:363/148 .îí 10 .þë 95 21:25
To : Patrick Long
Subj : Re: Out to sea...
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
> -=>3. Relative bearing grease. -yes, there is such a thing, but it has to
The Boy Scouts useta send people after Left-Handed Smoke Shifters...
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Msg : 33 of 57
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .îí 10 .þë 95 03:45
To : Marc Zingarelli
Subj : Highlander TV guide.
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Quoth Marc Zingarelli, "Nevermore".
MZ> Did ya happen to see next weeks tv guide yet?
Yep. Interesting piece, but I'd already heard about everything in
it... and dropped the word on the echo, for that matter.
MZ> Nice article about highlander in it, confirming some of what you said.
What can I say? I'm amazing.
MZ> To the anti-Anne crowd, look for a reconciliation, he he he! I'm a
MZ> little disturbed about the rift between Duncan and Joe though. All in
MZ> all this could make next season the best so far.
Actually, there may or may not be reconciliation, but there's going to
be *closure*, one way or another. The rift between Duncan and Joe... heh.
No, I'm not going to say it. Just wait and see.
And the attitude is this: "This just might be our last season, so lets
kick some ass and take some names while we're doing it!"
Jack Butler
... "Otherwise, we're all on CNN!" -- Kalas
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Msg : 34 of 57
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .îí 10 .þë 95 03:45
To : Steven Wesen
Subj : Kilmer as Batman
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Quoth Steven Wesen, "Nevermore".
SW> They aready showed the Scarecrow and he is the actor who plays ODO on
SW> DS9.
Not quite correct. Rene Aberjenois (the actor who plays Odo) does the
voice of the Scarecrow on the cartoon. In the third movie, he played Dr.
Burton, the director of Arkham Asylum. Dr. Burton is *not* the Scarecrow.
Jack Butler
... "I killed you!" -- Alice "I got better." -- Freddy Krueger
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Msg : 35 of 57
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .îí 10 .þë 95 03:45
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : B5 Novels and So Forth
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Quoth Jeff Hancock, "Nevermore".
JH> I don't suppose you read the B5 echo, do you? There have been some
JH> forwarded messages from JMS covering this... Unless you want to take
JH> Mr. Butler's stance of assuming everything he says is self-serving and
JH> suspect, he's just as ticked off as you or me or any other fan is
JH> about the delay, but none of the support so far has made a difference.
JH> Bother your affiliate about it.
Jeff, if you're going to talk about me, get it right. I never said
everything he says is self-serving and suspect, I said everything he says
*sounds* self-serving, and that without supporting proof, I will consider
everything he says suspect. Big difference.
Jack Butler
... "A momentary lapse of treason..." -- Pink Fraud
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Msg : 36 of 57
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .îí 10 .þë 95 03:45
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : DS9 Season 4
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Quoth Jeff Hancock, "Nevermore".
Re: Armed Conflict on DS9.
JH> and assuming bad of Paramount for yet again "borrowing" from B5...
Its funny. Last year, when they revealed that Odo's people headed the
Dominion, my then-roommate Chris Paul said, and I quote, "If they ever
decide to invade, the first thing they'll do is infiltrate and start causing
trouble. Probably tick some Klingons off at the Federation..."
In other words, the Founders using their shapeshifting to stir the
pot is an obvious plot angle, and has been since the Founders were
introduced.
So I agree with you... taking this new development and calling it
a rip from B5 is nonsense.
We'll see what we will see. I'm optimistic, at least.
Jack Butler
... "Perhaps it should be I who dominates from now on." -- Data
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Msg : 37 of 57
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .åò 13 .þë 95 01:42
To : John Baker
Subj : Out to sea...
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Quoth John Baker, "Nevermore".
JB> The Boy Scouts useta send people after Left-Handed Smoke Shifters...
I *personally* have sent privates on long searches for cans of squelch
and boxes of grid squares.
Jack Butler
... "He don't look like Bela..." -- Tor Johnson
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Msg : 38 of 57
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .åò 13 .þë 95 01:42
To : Ecarey
Subj : STAR TREK/APPEASEMENT??
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Quoth Ecarey, "Nevermore".
E> However, I suspect that their silence can be adequately explained by the
E> fact that the immature-brat races aren't bothering the Organians by
E> staging their tantrums on the Organians' homeworld any more
Makes sense to me. After all, when you boil what the Organians had
been trying to tell Kirk down to the bare essentials, it reads "Don't bother
us."
The kids bothered, and the grownups took their toys away... and now
that the grownups aren't being bothered any more, they couldn't care less
what the kids are up to.
Jack Butler
... "I won't be able to sit for a week!" -- Banzai
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Msg : 39 of 57
From : Dino Pantazopoulos 1:324/272 .ÿò 14 .þë 95 18:27
To : Brian Henderson
Subj : rip off? yes. On purpose? no.
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Yes Babylon 5 did rip off Star Trek. But star Trek TNG is so cool
and had all the cool ideas first. So you see they couldn't prevent those
lame hand communicators cuz the cool cheast ones were taken...I'm
babbling so I'll shutup. B5 is shallow but getting better
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Msg : 40 of 57
From : Ecarey 1:101/230 .åò 13 .þë 95 11:35
To : Frank Glover
Subj : RE: BOOK DISCUSION GROUP
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
> KC> August Book
> KC>
> KC> Author: Robert Heinlen
> KC> Title: Podkayne of Mars (the book with BOTH endings)
>
FG> Both endings? There's more than one version? What are the
> differences?
In the ending as Heinlein originally wrote it, Podkayne dies. His editor didn't
like that ending, though, and insisted he rewrite it so that Podkayne lives.
It's the Podkayne-lives ending that was originally published; a couple of years
ago, Baen brought out an edition with BOTH endings, and a contest to determine
which ending would be in all future editions.
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Msg : 41 of 57
From : Ecarey 1:101/230 .åò 13 .þë 95 11:41
To : Starwolf
Subj : DESTRUCTED PLOTS
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
> JW>Larry Niven is said to have been very disappointed when he
> JW>learned that his Hugo award winning story no longer made
> JW>sense...
>
S> He'd better get used to it. Asimov, who's got a higher grounding in
> science, got nailed by obsolete plot devices more often than niven
> ever
> did.
A) You're reacting to "Niven is said to have" as if it were a definitely-factual
statement
B) Is no one allowed to express disappointment in anything anymore? Assuming the
above statement accurately reflects Larry Niven's feelings [which seems quite
plausible], we're talking about a writer who worked \very hard\ to keep his
stories scientifically reasonable expressing "disappointment" that one of his
most successful stories has since \become\ scientific nonsense. Not outrage,
horror, or feelings of suicidal depression - just "disappointment". A mild and
moderate reaction, I would have thought.
C) Larry Niven actually has quite a thorough grounding in the physical sciences.
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Msg : 42 of 57
From : Jeff Hancock 1:3600/7 .pä 12 .þë 95 23:20
To : Chris Carter
Subj : And Now A Word.......
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
CC> JH> But what about the damaged Starfury in _All Alone in the Night_
CC> JH>that only had two working engines, yet all four fired to send it
CC>Yeah. This one causes no end of bafflement. I don't have an answer
My guess is that it was damaged and had a very limited amount of
runtime; and the computer used some of that time for that burst of
thrust... or, it's some quirk of the jumpgate system.
Here's a question which just now occurred to me, during "Points of
Departure", the Minbari cruiser cut off the stern of the Trigati before
it could enter the jump point, but why didn't inertia cause it to cruise
into the gate? If I remember correctly, the gate stayed open for a
fairly short length of time after that attack was completed, which makes
one wonder what would happen if it had started to enter the corridor as
it was just about to collapse. On the other hand, Ivanova said "they
can't make jump", so I suppose some form of engine is required. Are
there any episodes where someone has sent anything without a thruster
through a jumpgate (aside from being towed)? And if someone fired energy
weapons into a jump corridor at a departing ship?
CC> CC> certainly a lot of lights on the ends of poles protruding from
CC> CC>the Earthforce jumpship though.
CC> JH> Hadn't really noticed... Wonder what the practical purpose of
CC> JH>those is supposed to be?
CC>Probably the same as putting lights on the ends of radio towers; so
CC>passing starfuries don't run into the antannae.
The poles, not the lights. If they are radio or some other form
of antenna, there seems to be far too many even for the military
"backups in triplicate" SOP.
-=-
* Crazy-J * Electrons are very small,but they can gang up & hurt you.
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Msg : 43 of 57
From : Jeff Hancock 1:3600/7 .pä 12 .þë 95 23:48
To : Chris Carter
Subj : Vorlon Immortality
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
CC> JH> But considering the circumstances, how can they justifiably
CC> JH>remain a major race, and hence stay on the council? If things
CC>It may be that a "grandfather clause" comes into effect, rendering it
Could be. I don't know about the wisdom of such a clause, but....
CC>extremely difficult, if not impossible, to remove a council member
CC>from its position regardless of dramatic change in its status (i.e.,
"And I, as the sole remaining member of the Zzgryf race, demand..."
CC>And, if said major race has colonies, than the loss of its homeworld,
CC>while significant, my not be utterly crippling.
Depends on how this war is being waged. Considering jumpgate technology
and the nature of space combat in general, the Centauri may be taking
out the Narn colonies in a gradually shrinking more-or-less sphere
centering on their homeworld, rather than a wall of destruction which
would leave all Narn colonies on the opposite side of Narn from the
Centauri Empire intact. Besides which, who says the Centauri would stop
at the homeworld? ... assuming the rest of the races don't gang up and
obliterate them, which seems likely.
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Msg : 44 of 57
From : Greg Mcneil 1:228/500 .åò 13 .þë 95 04:25
To : Steven Wesen
Subj : Re: Sci-Fi Channel
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-=> Steven Wesen Commented to Greg Mcneil about Re: Sci-Fi Channel <=-
SW> Call Primestar or get a Dss System from RCA and tell TCI to go away.
SW> I have the same problem with my system Warner Cable and I plan to get
SW> a Big Satellite Dish. Steve(Merlyn)
Thinking about it.. but you see, I have this huge, Hi-tension power line
running thru the back yard, which is attached to the sub-station about
900 feet down the line.
... Babylon 5. - It is definatly NOT StarTrek.
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Msg : 45 of 57
From : Walter Sorrell 1:3637/77 .åò 06 .þë 95 22:00
To : All
Subj : SLIDERS
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
There has plenty of messages of people commenting on the
possibility of traveling backward through time and meeting yourself and
the universe
blows up.
Well, the "the same matter cannot occupy the same space at the same
time" theory may not apply to people since we are continuously shedding
our skin and virtually every cell in our body is replaced after about
eight months. Though I can not quote any sources in to back up this
statement (since I do not remember where I read this little tidbit) but
I am fairly sure that I am right.
Then again considering the cyclic nature of the food chain (dust
mites eat the skin and a larger animal eats them and on up through the
chain, or we could just inhale the mites and reuse the atoms that
originally made up our bodies). Whoa, this could make a good thesis for
collage!
And of course, I realise that the Sliders are not traveling though
time but are "sidestepping" through different realities.
Later,
Walter S.
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Msg : 46 of 57
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .ÿò 14 .þë 95 09:16
To : John Kahane
Subj : B5 Comic Down
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Quoth John Kahane, "Nevermore".
JK> Well, I can certainly sympathize with JMS in this regard, to be
JK> honest.
Wrong attitude for him to take, if he honestly is feeling this way. He
ought to be trying to make Warners very happy, within the limits of his own
production principles. Letting Warner's profit margin increase is a sure
way of insuring his series continues.
Jack Butler
... "Now I wish I hadn't written so many tank games." -- Flynn
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Msg : 47 of 57
From : Jack Butler 1:363/309 .ÿò 14 .þë 95 09:16
To : Ecarey
Subj : DS9 SEASON 4
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Quoth Ecarey, "Nevermore".
Ec> [For those who think he did, go look for the "Lensmen" series by E.E.
Ec> Smith - you'll have to try libraries and used book stores, because he
Ec> started writing the series in the thirties, and the last book was
Ec> published in the fifties. They're out of print now, but most longterm
Ec> fans of sf have read them.]
I got another one for you: one of de Bergerac's stories deals with a
war between the inhabitants of Mars and Venus, fought mostly in the space
between. Of course, de Bergerac had the respective fighters using sailing
ships, but what they hey, he wrote it in the 1500's.
Jack Butler
... "Babies are the enemy of the human race." -- Isaac Asimov
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Msg : 48 of 57
From : Ken Mayes 1:393/7 .cê 16 .þë 95 05:26
To : Brian Henderson
Subj : Re: B5 VS ST
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On Mon 10-Jul-1995 2:09a, Brian Henderson said to Frank Glover:
BH> Therefore, if we assume that it was at least as powerful as a Galaxy-
BH> class starship, while being much smaller and much more maneuverable, we
BH> have to wonder why it
BH> * Origin: The Belching Dragon Inn & Tavern (1:207/804)
So far, the Defiant has only been outclassed in one battle. The first
one it fought against the Dominion, and in that battle it was outnumbered. Even
the Yamato would have fallen in a battle with a hundred PT boats.
Again when Thomas Riker went up against the Cardasians, the Defiant made
a good showing. It wasn't until it was cornered and surrounded by overwhelming
forces that defeat seemed inevitable. And even then Riker pointed out that the
Cardasians would pay a heavy price.
In the third season finale, the Defiant flew into a Dominion Armada,
blew away eight...possibly nine Dominion ships, rescued Odo and Garak, then flew
out again intact. So I fail to understand why you seem to feel it's outmatched.
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Msg : 49 of 57
From : Ken Mayes 1:393/7 .cê 16 .þë 95 05:34
To : Brian Henderson
Subj : Re: St Vs. B5
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On Mon 10-Jul-1995 1:56a, Brian Henderson said to Jeff Hancock:
BH> And, interestingly enough, Paramount tried to bring pressure to bear
BH> against B5 last season when they started telling TV stations that if
BH> they aired B5, they would not be allowed to show Star Trek. It didn't
BH> work and was a stupid move, both from a legal and a corporate
BH> standpoint.
I find that hard to believe. In the Dallas/Fort Worth market, Paramount
OWNS the local UPN affiliate channel 21 outright. They show B-5. They've showed
B-5 ever since the 2 hour pilot. If Paramount truly wanted B-5 bumped off of
their stations, they could easily have done it here in one of the largest
television markets in the country. They didn't. In fact, it would actually make
more sense for them to try and keep B-5 on the same stations that Trek is on.
That way the two shows can't directly compete against each other.
In fact the more I think about it, the more impossible to believe it is.
I wouldn't put it past JMS to put that story out, though. Nothing stirs up
ratings better than old fashioned controversy.
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Msg : 50 of 57
From : Kay Shapero 1:102/524 .óá 15 .þë 95 20:14
To : Frank Eva
Subj : Short B5 Season
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On , Frank Eva (1:154/750) wrote to Kay Shapero:
FE>22 is still less than other series. If JMS' 5 year story arc is
FE>based on
FE>22 eps/season, that's like admitting it will be more like a 4
FE>year story arc.
It'll cover 5 years, it's a 5 year arc. :-> Personally I'm getting more out of
22 eps per season than considerably more of various other shows.
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Msg : 51 of 57
From : Kay Shapero 1:102/524 .óá 15 .þë 95 22:44
To : John Kahane
Subj : Conversation started on B5
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On , John Kahane (1:163/198.5) wrote to Kay Shapero:
JK> Sure thing, Kay... Since you started it over on the B5
JK>echo, you get to "start it" here again...
OK - what do you want to hear first? I believe we were discussing the myriad
ways time travel can tie you up in knots. Considering that in Nicolai's Other
Suns campaign we've got both single line and Paratemporal time travel to
consider...
Let's see... there was the way T'Isan got shanghaied into the Paratemporal Arm.
She was arrested on a charge of treason, demoted ten or so steps in rank,
shipped off base, briefed, and sent on a mission back in time (I don't even
recall what it was at the moment), after which she returned as a full fledged
Paratemporal Officer at the new rank (which WAS the equivalent - PA ranks are
different from Star Arm ones), and the arrest turned out to have never happened.
Literally - she and those involved in the mission were the only ones to remember
it because a time shift had been done. The Arm likes to shake it's officers up
at the start to see how they react. Sometimes it does it later in their careers
too. :->
This event is also notable for being one of the few times in history that a
Shaltuan was actually REAL useful. OK - a bit of history. Shaltuans are an
interesting bunch. They're sorta reptilian, with a strong honor code that
strikes the rest of the universe as a mite dippy, but suits them just fine.
Shaltuans are shorter lived than humans, and there are those who feel that they
probably would be even if they were physically capable of lasting as long, since
they've a tendancy to get into trouble both from the aforementioned honor code,
and because a lot of them like to be pilots. Shaltuan pilots take off and fly
just fine, the problem generally comes in when they land. Mind you, this was
not intentional, it's just that the Dice Know - it seemed like every time a
Shaltuan pilot set out to land something, regardless of who was playing him, the
ship took damage, or actually crashed. The general assumption this bit of
gamelore ultimately led to was that all Shaltuans really, deep down, want to be
kamikaze pilots. Seems about right to me.
Well, Shaltuans are Very Loyal to their commanders. And for her sins, Tuu Ira
Isan had one assigned to the AVS Firewing back before she got tapped by
Paratemporal. So suddenly she had this half-pint lizard samurai at her heels
practically everywhere she went, usually trying to do something that would Not
be a good idea. Like carrying a flag with the pack Tuu symbol on it whilst
following her (something that would have been politically far TOO interesting).
Or.. but I digress. Suffice it to say that he proved a marvelous source of
diplomacy practice all the times it was necessary to turn him away from some bit
of honorable idiocy without his deciding on suicide. At least he never landed
the Firewing - T'Isan assigned him his own personal in-system fighter and gave
him permission to paint his personal symbol on it which kept him out of trouble
for awhile anyway.
Well, when T'Isan walked down that corridor and was ambushed out of the blue by
the guys with the treason charge, the ONLY reason she managed to keep her temper
long enough to realize something weird was up was the fact that that Shaltuan
was RIGHT behind her, and if she'd said one word of anger or resistance, he
would have CERTAINLY come charging to the rescue and got himself killed. So you
see, there's a use for everything... :->
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Msg : 52 of 57
From : Mark Jones 1:105/302.47 .ÿò 14 .þë 95 18:26
To : Frank Eva
Subj : Short B5 Season
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (13 Jul 95) Frank Eva wrote to Kay Shapero...
FE> KS>Adding the 4 brings the total to 22, same as the first season.
FE>
FE> 22 is still less than other series. If JMS' 5 year story arc is
FE> based on 22 eps/season, that's like admitting it will be more
FE> like a 4 year story arc. Consider that the X-Files gave its fans
FE> 26 eps/season; 4 eps/season times 5 seasons is almost enough to
FE> do another "year" of the story!
It's my understanding that 22 episodes constitutes a standard season
for many programs. Yes, X-Files may have done 26--but so what? Many
other shows (Sliders, VR5 and a lot non-SF programs) did a lot *less*
than 22 episodes this season.
Sure, I'd like to have more new B5 episodes every season--but given
the short shrift a lot of other series got, I'm content with a "mere"
twenty-two.
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Msg : 53 of 57
From : Myra I Fox 1:123/10 .ÿò 14 .þë 95 20:26
To : Tony Trujillo
Subj : Red Dwarf
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
TT> Thanks for the info! I hope that something solid does come
TT> out of this. I've been aching for new RD for too long! :^)
If I come across any newer info I'll pass it along to you.
I scan through the WHO echo regularly. I'm not only a
Doctor Who and Red Dwarf fan, but I kinda like that Steve
Quarrella guy too . I also got to meet a fan who lives
here in Memphis by "meeting" him on the WHO echo. He loaned
me about six tapes so I could get introduced to William
Hartnell, Patrick Troughton and see some more of Jon
Pertwee.
He has on one of the tapes a short sort of documentary
called RESISTANCE IS USELESS. It has lots of short clips
from the episodes.
TT> If only we could get that bastard Norman to move to
TT> England! :^)
Where does he live ?
TT> I'd really love to see him back in the roll as Holly...I
TT> like Hattie but she just doesn't have the dead pan delivery
TT> that Norman did.
I have heard that she is a really good stand up comic, maybe
the writers just didn't take into account *her* special
talents that would have made the role into something that
was funnier. Maybe I'm wrong, but that is just a feeling I
had about her in the part of Holly.
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Msg : 54 of 57
From : Judy Hayes 1:154/40 .cê 16 .þë 95 16:27
To : Starwolf
Subj : Re: Destructed plots
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-=> As SWAN finally returned to the 'Net she heard this:
St> He'd better get used to it. Asimov, who's got a higher grounding in
St> science, got nailed by obsolete plot devices more often than niven
JH> That's only to be expected since Asimov wrote 10 times
JH> more than......anyone.
St> But he's also got more science training than almost anyone else, too.
St> So, he ought to have even less of 'miss' record than others, in spite
St> of a large body of work. I think it isn't so much that he wrote more,
St> but that he wrote for such a long time. Many accepted tenets had the
St> chance to get knocked down.
This is also true. The more and longer you write the better chance that you
will be proved wrong in something.
--SWAN
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Msg : 55 of 57
From : Dan Martin 1:3666/501 .cê 16 .þë 95 10:36
To : Sean Caszatt
Subj : Re: Red Dwarf
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
SC>-> I've never seen the American pilot, so I can't really make an
>-> judgement there. Although the idea of Terry Farrel as the Cat does so
>-> intriguing. But...if they had done an American version of the series,
>-> the original actors...and Grant and Naylor as series writers, it woul
>-> been something to see. In my opinion it would've rivalled Trek in syn
>-> But...it was not to be...unfortunately. (At the very least we might h
>-> 26 episodes per season instead of a measely 6. Granted those 6 are be
>-> most American offerings...and possibly if there were more, they would
>-> funny per minute of airtime, (spreading the humor throughout the epis
>-> were). Oh well.
SC>I haven't seen the pilot either, but as is the case with most things
>that were originally done in other countries and then "Americanized"
>(ie. brought down to the lowest common denominator), I'm sure it would
>have sucked.
SC>With the original cast and writers, it may have been better...but as
>you said they'd have to spread the laughs over more episode. I think
>we're better off with what we have now!
SC>--- Platinum Xpress/Wildcat! v1.0h
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I have the sixth season and the american pilot, along with the smeg-ups
and tongue tied video. I can send copies for a nominal cost...
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Msg : 56 of 57
From : Phill Ash 1:275/160 .cê 16 .þë 95 08:47
To : Starwolf
Subj : Voyage movie
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: GE 1.1+
Phill Ash nasally exhaled his coffee upon hearing this:
>Even the first season, when the plots were reasonably good, had the
>crew crawling through the air ducts from time to time.
Yeah, but even a modern "Boomer" with a 50 (or so) foot
diameter, wouldn't have "man-sized" air vents...
Of course "SeaView" wasn't a real sub, just a CVN with a
displacement problem
Your pal: PhlAsh
... [tap..tap].. is this thing ON??
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Msg : 57 of 57
From : Gamin Davis 1:202/1313 .óá 15 .þë 95 22:35
To : Ken Mayes
Subj : Red Dwarf
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
When Ken Mayes started blathering on about Red Dwarf, I had to put in my 2 cent
KM> ...and urine should only be green if you're Mister Spock.
Nitpick: If you're Spock and you have green urine, you have
*bloody* urine and should go see Dr. McCoy ASAP! Your urine should NOT
be the same color as your blood. (I always thought this was a stupid
tagline...)
Gamin Davis
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Msg : 1 of 100
From : Judy Hayes 1:154/40 .pä 25 .êò 95 07:19
To : William Onufryk
Subj : Re: Mercedes lackey and h
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
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->Quoshara reminising about being SWAN, heard William say:
JM> PL> Two more due out soon - _Triangle Park_ and _Arcanna 101_
JM> Any more info ; when ; what about etc..
JM> Anything you can tell my about new books of her etc ...
WO> It may be a while, the last I heard was that her Tregarde books have
WO> the weakest sales of any of her books and Tor is not rushing to put
WO> any more out at the moment. The latest list I saw of her future
WO> releases doesn't have either of the books above listed.
That's too bad. They are *my* favorites of all her works and the ones that
encouraged me to read more of her (non-collaborative) works.
--Quoshara
... One way to have a clean mind is to change it frequently.
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Msg : 2 of 100
From : Scott Royall 1:106/357 .pä 25 .êò 95 13:01
To : Nicolai Shapero
Subj : Saab: The Invitros
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
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-=> Quoting Nicolai Shapero to Scott Royall <=-
NS> From last night's episode, we know that our "tank on the team" has
NS> only been out of the bottle for six years, so there's likely a forced
NS> maturation process and an "in tank" education system invovled. At
NS> which point the tanks might be regarded as "expendable", even though
NS> they're fully human intelligent.
Having missed the ep. due entirely to my abject stupidity, I can only
nash my teeth. However, I offer up the possibility that tanks are only
taught what they "need to know."
NS> It hasn't been all that long since having a different melanin content
NS> was a clear indicator of being "less than human" in this country (in
NS> some geographic areas, it would still seem as though people think that
NS> way). So...it's happened before, it could happen again.
Speaking as one who travels on four wheels rather than two legs, I
assure you it happens daily.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.12
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Msg : 3 of 100
From : Judy Hayes 1:154/40 .pä 25 .êò 95 14:17
To : Myranya Werlemann
Subj : Re: Personal Favorites.
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
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->Quoshara reminising about being SWAN, heard Myranya say:
>As SWAN debated a name change to Quoshara, Myranya said this:
MW> I noticed that on the Trek echo's, too -any special reason? You sure
MW> got everyone curious...
Oh? Well, it's simple really. I'm joining KAI (Klingon Armada International)
and that is my new Klingon name. Since I, basically, only post to Trek/SF
echos I thought I'd go ahead and use it here.
MW> rumor is that Hope was going to join DS9? I absolutely refuse to
.....kersnip.....
JH> station." - and more similar garbage that implied it was my personal
JH> fault if they did. Sheesh!
MW> Most of the time I just laugh about that kind of thing -really, it's
MW> not worth getting mad about. It _is_ amazing, though, how many things
MW> some folks are willing to believe. I guess they just feel really
MW> silly when they find out they fell for a really obvious one, and
MW> then they take it out on others... Most of the time I let it go
MW> -they're not the type to appreciate any funny response I might give
MW> them, anyway- but sometimes I just can't help myself and I _will_ rub
MW> it in.
I know. Sometimes it's *really* hard to resist.
JH> I did, calmly, explain to the guy that both comments were
JH> jokes..haven't got an answer back yet. I probably would have ignored
.....moresnips....
JH> think I ever even typed to him before. Double Sheesh!!
MW> Yeah, that's a little bit too much. It wasn't this one guy -whatever
MW> _is_ his name, can't think of it- who's apparently causing some stir
MW> in the Trek echo's the last couple of weeks or so? Something with a
MW> C I think... Writing lots of mezzies jumping all over people for
MW> nothing... :-( Oh well, he'll probably leave soon, by choice or
MW> otherwise...
Well, there is a C in his first name, but he's certainly *not* a newbie and he
should know better. They tell me that he does this type of thing fairly
frequently though.
I guess it's a matter of "some people never learn."
MW> but they also managed to double-schedule several SF shows. How _DO_
MW> they do it??? Oh well, it's better that no SF at all...
JH> Just means you have to be more selective....I hate that! |-)
MW> Yeah... I got that problem with both screens -tv and 'puter. I need a
MW> screen saver for my eyes, there's a screen-sized image
MW> burning permanently on my retina...
I *definately* understand that problem. 'Though I only get to use the 'puter
when I can pry it away from the kids and hubby....good thing I'm a fast
typist.
--Quoshara
... Ruffles have ridges......and so do Klingons.
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Msg : 4 of 100
From : Sunsparc 1:163/403 .òp 24 .êò 95 21:40
To : Steve Wiser
Subj : B5: Shadow War Prediction
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
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*@SUBJECT:B5: Shadow War Prediction: On Target So Far N
Hello to everyone once more.........
As predicted by yours truly, Delenns Compatriot is now going
to
help B5 ...... with all that firepower, the shadows are no match
We'll have to wait for awile now to see about the other predictions
What about Your Predictions? Let's hear your side..........Sunsparc
--- FidoPCB v1.5 beta-'j'
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Msg : 5 of 100
From : Steven Wesen 1:271/236 .pä 25 .êò 95 09:57
To : Bianca Wesslak
Subj : Re: Red Dwarf
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
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.TID: GE 1.11+
Signals catalog which is run by PBS they have 1-5 but the charge quite a bit.
There is a place in Richmond VA called Relm of fantasy which offers 1-6 and the
Blooper reels (avoid) and the American Pilot.
Steve.
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Msg : 6 of 100
From : Todd Sullivan 1:202/720.3 .òp 24 .êò 95 12:50
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : Re: B5 VS. TREK, AGAIN.
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
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TYPE: Unknown area
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Whilst falling into the sun on 21 Oct 95, Jeff Hancock yelled to me:
TS>> JH>then of the Trek-bashing? Why there, and not in the Trek areas? Try
TS>> telling your Pastor that he's preaching about the most murderous
JH> Heh. "Already have done"... no, but I've been tempted. ;-)
JH> But, they're just words, and twit filters exist.
JH> JMS has spoken out against some of the bashing lately as well.
Have seen the ported-over messages. Unfortunately, my twit filter doesn't work;
reader's unReg ( and it tells *everybody*). As for "just words", true, but you
can't be objective when you see the same idiotic nonsense over and over again,
which is why I'm not ever going to get into the Fido Trek areas, and why I'm
totally browned-ff on TrekNet.
If they're so great, why do they have to bash? Stupid, stupid, stupid...
Todd Sullivan
... The Mormons: New Age Lutherans
-*- ASTG 1.9
--- Spot 1.3a Unregistered
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Msg : 7 of 100
From : Frank Glover 1:2613/477 .òp 24 .êò 95 21:30
To : Anne Hardcastle
Subj : Re: Bat villains
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
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AH> also am fond of Robin's cocky attitude. How can you not love
AH> somebody who rides around in the Batmobile with his feet up on the
AH> dashboard?
Agreed. I just can't imagine Burt Ward doing that.....
Frank
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Msg : 8 of 100
From : Frank Glover 1:2613/477 .òp 24 .êò 95 21:39
To : Todd Sullivan
Subj : Re: More faves...
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
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TYPE: Unknown area
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TS> ... When agnostics die, do they go to the Great Perhaps?
Maybe.
(I know you didn't write the tagline, but I couldn't resist.)
Frank
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Msg : 9 of 100
From : Frank Glover 1:2613/477 .òp 24 .êò 95 21:50
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : Re: The Long Twilight Sp 1/2
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
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JH> Does anyone get the impression G'Kar knows what's happening to the
JH> Narn
JH> fleet as he's praying? We already know they don't have telepaths, but
JH> it's as if he can witness the battle, the look on his face during and
JH> after the battle.
I think it was more a case of anticipating and fearing exactly what was
happening.
But I've been wrong before....
Frank
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Msg : 10 of 100
From : Mark Holtz 1:203/1701 .pä 25 .êò 95 16:20
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : The Long Twilight Sp 1/2
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
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Spoilers? I don't need no stinkin' spoilers.
When Jeff Hancock typed to All, strange things happened, like....
JH> Definitely a terrific episode, but overall... Not QUITE the bang-up
JH> job I was hoping for. Perhaps I was just expecting too much. Still,
JH> highly impressive.
I still enjoyed the episode, even after six viewings before it aired.
What impressed me was that, instead of just the straight battle with the
Narn vs. Shadows, we cut between the battle and G'Kar praying like heck.
And, when the Narn were all defeated, G'Kar just knew, and entinquised the
candle.
JH> What is with that funky music and Sheridan in the shower? ;) And did
JH> anyone else think for a second, while he was toweling off his head and
JH> heading toward the monitor, with his left profile to the camera, that
JH> he looked kind of like Harrison Ford? ;-)
How many of us thought it was Ivanova?
JH> I thought Draal was a bit of a pompous, preachy fellow during Voice in
JH> the Wilderness, but it is as nothing as compared with his younger
JH> self. The content didn't seem excessively self-promoting, but otherwise
JH> his speaking style seems typical of someone rather full of himself.
A little too dramatic.
JH> I *like* the Narn Warmaster. Too bad... but what a way to go!
Let's see here, W. Morgan Shepperd appeared twice on B5. Both times, he died.
... Oink, FLAP! oink, FLAP! oink, FLAP! oink, FLAP!
--- Blue Wave/TG v2.20 [NR]
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Msg : 11 of 100
From : Dkimmel 1:101/230 .òp 24 .êò 95 12:59
To : Michael Harper
Subj : KUBRICK
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
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MH>The man's talent as a director doesn't make him any less of an asshole. His
MH>accuracy in 2001 is as much a result of good research and good fx as anythin
MH>else. By all accounts, Kubrick, personally, is an arrogant jackass. I like s
MH>of his earlier work, but not all of it. I feel about him the way I feel abou
MH>Robert Silverberg; he's a hell of a writer, but I personally despise the man
MH>may read some of his stuff, but I won't eat at the same table with him. Kubr
MH>may be a great director, but he has his off moments. Steve King can attest t
MH>that. Even after fifteen years, if you say the words "Shining" and "Kubrick"
MH>within earshot of King, you will get a very unpleasant response...
On what do you base your opinion of Stanley Kubrick? Has he offended
you in some way? Are you aware of something he has done that is
reprehensible?
As for Steven King, I don't doubt he dislikes Kubrick. King is a hack
writer, regardless of his popularity, whose works will eventually be
forgotten. Kubrick is an artist, who has created several masterpieces
of cinema, and whose film of "The Shining" may be one of the reasons
King is remembered at all. (See the award-wining novella "Gold" by the
late Isaac Asimov -- collected in the volume of that name -- for a
further exploration of that theme.)
* SLMR 2.1a * NIAGARA FALLS! Sloooowly, I turned....
--- FLAME v1.0
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Msg : 12 of 100
From : Ecarey 1:101/230 .òp 24 .êò 95 14:32
To : Scott Sims
Subj : SPACE ABOVE AND BEYOND
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
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TYPE: Unknown area
AREA:SFFAN
> some thoughts on where space may go::::
> i can see where the aliens could be slaves warriors to some higher
> intelegent species: because the rescued women said all they do is
> kill
> thats all they do. so how could a species like that make such high
> tech
> equipment? suppose the synthoids created them to get earth into
Scott, that's what people say about the enemy in wartime, in _any_ war. It
doesn't mean anything except that there's a war on.
--- FLAME v1.0
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Msg : 13 of 100
From : Nicolai Shapero 1:102/524 .pä 25 .êò 95 06:02
To : Jackson Raster
Subj : Re: Personal Favorites
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
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TYPE: Unknown area
AREA:SFFAN
Jackson, you are quoting entire messages, including the origin line, in order to
post single line responses. Please cut the quoting to a minimum.
Thank you for your cooperation,
-- Nicolai Shapero, Moderator of the SFFAN echo
--- msged 2.06
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Msg : 14 of 100
From : Nicolai Shapero 1:102/524 .pä 25 .êò 95 06:06
To : Geoff Doherty
Subj : books
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
FROM: 2:463/2
TYPE: Unknown area
AREA:SFFAN
On , Geoff Doherty (3:640/201) wrote to Nicolai Shapero:
GD> Dont mind me for butting in - but I just had to comment on your
GD> choice of favourite SF. Apart from the two books by Bester
GD>(which I
GD> have not read).....Good choice, very good choice! B-)
If you haven't read the two by Bester then run, do not walk, to your local
library and check them out. VERY good reading.
-- Nicolai Shapero, the Mad Russian Sysop of StormGate Aerie
--- msged 2.06
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Msg : 15 of 100
From : Ecarey 1:101/230 .pä 25 .êò 95 16:56
To : Todd Sullivan
Subj : RE: THE '37S
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
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TYPE: Unknown area
AREA:SFFAN
>>DJ> Actually we don't use the European standard. At least not consistently.
>
>E> Which was the point I was trying to make, really - that Canada sometimes
>E> does things the same way they're done in the UK, and sometimes the same
>E> way they're done in the USA, and sometimes does something different that
>E> happens to be locally convenient/attractive/whatever.
>
>E> Which means that guessing what the USA does based on what Canada does,
>E> or vice versa, is an exercise in futility.:)
>
TS> What are you referring to? I can assure you that California is as
> American (good, bad and wierd) as it gets. Well, you can ask a New
> Yorker, but why bother? You probably have to deal with them on a
> semi-regular basis.
Todd, you need to pay attention and follow the conversation
We weren't talking about how things are done in California, one of the fifty
states of the United States of America. We were talking about how things are
done in _CANADA_, a sovereign country immediately to the north of the USA.
--- FLAME v1.0
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Msg : 16 of 100
From : Mark David 1:243/86 .pä 25 .êò 95 23:06
To : Ecarey
Subj : Re: RE: SPACE: ABOVE AND BEYO
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
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TYPE: Unknown area
AREA:SFFAN
E> If it's been mentioned, I missed it, too. It doesn't _look_ like they've bee
E> created with obvious parts missing:), but that, of course, doesn't prove tha
E> they're fertile.
I didn't catch any refrences to it either. In any case, we know they feel a
sex-drive.
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Msg : 17 of 100
From : Mark David 1:243/86 .pä 25 .êò 95 23:12
To : Ecarey
Subj : Re: RE: SAAB: THE INVITROS
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
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TYPE: Unknown area
AREA:SFFAN
E> The legal position seems to have been "indentured servitude", with the in
E> vitros becoming free upon completion of their labor term - except that often
E> the work was so dangerous that very few survived. Colonel McQueen mentions
E> being one of _six_ survivors of his group of indentured in vitros in a minin
E> colony.
I can see no use for slave labour in an industialized society. We know, given
the AIs, their robotics technology is amazingly advanced--robots would prove
far more efficient in the kind of labour we see the invitros pressed into. And
probably cheaper, too.
But I geuss there has to be some conflicts to keep things intersting.
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Msg : 18 of 100
From : Todd Sullivan 1:202/720.3 .pä 25 .êò 95 10:02
To : The Raven
Subj : Re: Stingray
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
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Whilst falling into the sun on 23 Oct 95, The Raven yelled to Mark Jones:
TR>> Wasn't this show one of the innumerable Cannell Productions shows?
MJ>> Yahwol!
TR> I've had enough of him and his ego...
Look at it this way, Jack. He's got tons of money from all his hits. People
like him think saleability means everything. Part of the HollyWierd mentality.
I personally think because he looks a bit like Lucas that he thinks of himself
as LucasFilm of TV. About any explanation along that line will suffice, I
suspect.
Todd Sullivan
... Attila the Nun: A girl pledged to a life of simple brutality.
-*- ASTG 1.9
--- Spot 1.3a Unregistered
* Origin: Todd's Spot in the Continuum (1:202/720.3)
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Msg : 19 of 100
From : Todd Sullivan 1:202/720.3 .pä 25 .êò 95 10:07
To : Jackson Raster
Subj : Re: Voyager: Non Sequiter
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
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Whilst falling into the sun on 22 Oct 95, Jackson Raster yelled to me:
JR> You don't seem to understand...I meant that the Amiga must have been
JR> included in Borg culture because it was SUPERIOR. And that you could
JR> find Amiga hardware all through the Borg as a result. I LOVE my Amiga!
JR> It's the best machine I ever owned!
JR> -JTR
JR> PS: I wouldn't own a Pentium. I need my computer to COMPUTE...not
JR> guess...
I was going after the other guy. Sorry I didn't make it more clear.
Todd Sullivan ---> *Team* *Amiga!* <---
... Bigot? Fundamentalist? Love guns? The Republicans want YOU!
-*- ASTG 1.9
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Msg : 20 of 100
From : Starwolf 1:163/214 .åò 26 .êò 95 00:09
To : The Raven
Subj : B5 VS. TREK, AGAIN.
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
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TR> where they were: Friday at 10, right after the X-Files. Now, is that a
TR> cherry spot, or what?
I could use some right about now. I fear I have just lost a valued
acquaintance. It turned out, entirely uneexpectedly that he was a ranting
separatiste. I kne he lived in Montreal (Quebec, Canada) but he sounded like a
truly level-headed sort. No such luck. Just finished a long argument by phone
where I had the good luck of being treated to such names as "liar" and "full of
(expletive deleted)" because I had the audacity to point out the flaws in his
separatist mindset. He just didn't want to hear the same lies again, he just
didn't want to hear the opinion of outsiders. In point of fact, my francophone
family harkens back in Quebec for centuries, but we didn't think as he did,
therefore we couldn't be true Quebecers. The worst-case scenario at present
gives the winning side no more than a couple of percentage points. Is he saying
that nearly 50% of the people in his province are not true Quebecers either?
Obsessive, nearly psychotic behaviour at its most narrow-minded worst.
I'm scared. If someone as supposedly intelligent as he can be so thoroughly
brainwashed, what of others?
--- Maximus 2.01wb
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Msg : 21 of 100
From : Beth Lunney 1:323/109 .åò 26 .êò 95 17:07
To : All
Subj : hercules
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
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Can anyone tell me when the show Hercules airs? I'd like to start watching it,
but don't feel like reading through the whole tv guide to find out when it's on.
Kinda lazy, I know.
thanks,
Beth
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Msg : 22 of 100
From : Mark Jones 1:105/302.47 .pä 25 .êò 95 16:22
To : The Raven
Subj : Highlander: New Season
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
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On (23 Oct 95) The Raven wrote to Mark Jones...
TR> Yep. Something I we will see at least one more time in the
TR> series... mainly because I know that something major is going to
TR> happen, and I'm not going to tell you what it is. Nyah nyah nyah.
TR>
Well...just be that way, then! See if I care!
I just won't tell you about my PULP FICTION/HIGHLANDER story.
--- PPoint 1.78
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Msg : 23 of 100
From : Frank Glover 1:2613/477 .pä 25 .êò 95 18:42
To : Owen E. Oulton
Subj : Re: Questions, but are they rhetorical?
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OE> Stories like Star Trek or Babylon 5 would be impossible. Travel to
OE> the nearest star system, a mere 4.3 light years off, would take
OE> decades, perhaps generations.
Quite true. Indeed, the crew of the USS Voyager, if they could get close
enough to lightspeed in normal space could get home in perhaps a few months of
ship's time, but there's that matter of being 27,000 (I think) years out of
date....
In `The Forever War,' it was also expected that ships, unable to use the
stargates that got them out there, would come straggling back, over
thousands of years, likewise at relativistic speeds.
If it can be kept operating this long of course, Voyager has the option of a
70 year trip home at warp speeds. but at least about the same time will have
passed at home, too. Recall also when Q sent the Enterprise-D to the first
encounter with the Borg, they were two years out of Federation space at maximum
warp. And in TOS, even with the Kelvan-augmented warp drives, it was to be a 300
year voyage tothe Andromeda galaxy (2.2 millionlight-years)
Sometimes you can't go *enough* faster than light....
In one of Niven's Known Space stories, a character makes a passing reference
to someone who went off to `the edge of the universe' in a barely sublight
ramship that *also* had hyperdrive. (Standard hyperdrive, not the level II type
seen in `At The Core') Seems that as far as ship time was concerned, he was
better off flying at relativistic speeds, than through hyperspace to travel
10-odd billion light-years.
And, of course, this guy had no expectation of coming back.....
Frank
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Msg : 24 of 100
From : Chris Carter 1:105/290.23 .åò 26 .êò 95 07:24
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : The Long Twilight Sp 1/2 [1]
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
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Spoilers below. Cool spoilerguard removed to save bandwidth. 25
carriage returns inserted.
On (23 Oct 95) Jeff Hancock wrote to All...
JH> A rather interesting pattern of city lights on the surface of
JH> Centauri Prime.
You'll have to fill me in on this one, as I didn't notice a pattern.
JH> What is with that funky music and Sheridan in the shower?
More of the magic of Christopher Franke, I'd imagine. Don't you
listen to music when you're showering?
JH> I thought Draal was a bit of a pompous, preachy fellow during
JH> Voice in the Wilderness, but it is as nothing as compared with
JH> his younger self. The content didn't seem excessively
JH> self-promoting, but otherwise his speaking style seems typical
JH> of someone rather full of himself.
Think of Draal as a professor at a major university. These sorts of
folks do often times get a bit full of themselves, and speak
accordingly. I thought the obviously preplanned speech, intercut
with more conversational phrases was brilliant and funny.
JH> And the way Londo and Refa's faces are partially shadowed by
^^^^^^^^
JH> the poor lighting during the argument.... laying it on a bit
JH> thick perhaps? ;)
Think about it. ;~)
JH> It's mildly interesting that this time, the Epsilon 3
JH> installation that is visited, and where Draal is kept, is only
JH> three miles beneath the surface. I seem to remember that it
JH> was five miles in VitW.
Assuming I can remember, I'll attempt to verify this.
JH> I thought the Narn should have had more fighters, though.
There may have been more fighters, but most of the combat was viewed
on the scale of capital ships. Fighters were lost against the
background most of the time.
JH> Okay, did anyone else not care for the intercuts of G'Kar
JH> praying? I dunno, I just never cared for having my space
JH> battles constantly interrupted, just a couple of times would
JH> have gotten the point across.
I think this was supposed to make the battle more personal, as well
as reflect G'Kar's foreboding about it. I didn't have a problem
with it.
JH> Does anyone get the impression G'Kar knows what's happening to
JH> the Narn fleet as he's praying?
I don't think that G'Kar necessarily knows, but his knowledge of the
Shadows, and his assumptions about their involvement with the
Centauri explain his behavior, I think.
JH> Another odd bit is that the double-ship that had a leg blown
JH> off seems almost adrift in space as the other double-ship
JH> merges with it. This is another argument for organic
JH> technology on the part of the Shadows, and against it being
JH> used as well, any wounds can affect the whole creature
One might think that even the relatively small amount of damage done
to the Shadow cruiser was enough to incapacitate it, because it was
in *pain*.
More to come in other messages...
Chris - carter@teleport.com
... Warning! This tagline contains Visdormativa!
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Msg : 25 of 100
From : Chris Carter 1:105/290.23 .åò 26 .êò 95 07:36
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : The Long Twilight Sp 2/2
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
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As with the previous message, the spoiler graphic has been removed
and replaced by 25 carriage returns.
On (23 Oct 95) Jeff Hancock wrote to All...
JH> The VORLON government filed protests against the Centauri as
JH> well?
Remember, the Vorlons still have to give the impression that they're
'just like everybody else,' rather than gadding about saying, "Hi.
We're the Ancient Ones, and we're here to help you kick some Shadow
ass." Filing protests, and doing nothing to back them up, makes the
Vorlons look just as ridiculous as everyone else in the Council
chambers.
Chris - carter@teleport.com
... "Jim Beam" me up, Scotchy! There's no more booze on this planet.
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Msg : 26 of 100
From : Michael Harper 1:123/10 .pä 25 .êò 95 11:09
To : Beverley Cote
Subj : Oook!
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
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Yeah, but it's all those odd little references to Buddy Holly and Elvis and so
on that had me rolling... :)
Now I've gotta go find a copy of the new one, "Lords And Ladies". The thing in
the advert says mething about a football team that gets the crap beat out of
them by a gang of elves.
--- RA/FD/FMail
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Msg : 27 of 100
From : David Little 1:106/7315 .pä 25 .êò 95 09:23
To : Darren Lovatt
Subj : Red Dwarf / Time travel
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
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-=<( Darren Lovatt used the Jedi Mind Trick on me! )>=-
DL> In Red Dwarf, time travel is used alot and I was wondering if chatting
DL> about weather or not it was possible or other views was allowed ! If
DL> so I'm here !
No more than Star Trek has used time travel. I was upset when Lister
didn't go ack and marry Kachanski!
-=The DoLittle 8-)=-
... "All of this generosity has made me tired!" -- The Cat
--- FreeMail & Blue Wave/TAG v2.20
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Msg : 28 of 100
From : David Johnston 1:342/14 .åò 26 .êò 95 00:06
To : Ml Sands
Subj : Questions, but are they rhetorical?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
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-> 1 ... A twenty year travel-time would be on the order
-> (generally) of the journey of Marco Polo. While long, it
Marco Polo had places to stop on the way, instead of being locked in a
metal box for 20 years with the same companions.
-> 2 ... You seem to be assuming that what is fast, is easy.
-> However, the majority of storylines do hold that
-> is a very energy intensive buisiness. Tunneling through the
Not by comparison with STL travel.
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Msg : 29 of 100
From : David Johnston 1:342/14 .åò 26 .êò 95 00:26
To : Nicolai Shapero
Subj : Re: Questions, But Are T
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
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-> Nope. Because the hero will be on board a ship that will be pushing
-> the speed of light within a year, and relativistic effects (time
-> dilation) will get him to the stars in decent ship-time.
Of course, it would be a great mystery where he was getting his
unlimited reaction mass, Tau Prime notwithstanding.
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Msg : 30 of 100
From : Marc Zingarelli 1:226/110 .åò 26 .êò 95 18:34
To : The Raven
Subj : Highlander: New Season
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
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.TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 92-0004
The Raven was overheard talking to Mark Jones,
about Highlander:, in "Joe's Place" and said:
TR> Yep. Something I we will see at least one more time in the series...
TR>mainly because I know that something major is going to happen, and I'm not
TR>going to tell you what it is. Nyah nyah nyah.
I hate it when you do this!!!!! You're such a tease Jack.
TR>... "Correction. I'm the oldest *known* Immortal." -- Methos
This tagline brings up a couple what ifs on its own.
Later
---
LT MARC ZINGARELLI
Circleville Fire Department
Local 1232
Internet: marc.zingarelli@tcr.com
* OLX 1.52 * "All you have to do is live long enough."
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Msg : 31 of 100
From : Wes Yahola 1:123/569 .ÿò 27 .êò 95 05:59
To : Daniel Van Middelkoop
Subj : books
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
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.TID: GE 1.11+
-=> And Daniel Van Middelkoop did deliver these words of books to Wes Yahola
DVM> Absolutely right!, only the Death Gate cycle comes a little
DVM> bit close, but LOR rules for ever!
I loved the Death Gate cycle books. I've only read the first four. I think
things left off in the last book with the war between the realms about to begin.
Did they ever explain what the big machine (was it "quigsly wigsly" or something
close. I could check, but that'd involve getting up and going to another room)
did? I don't want to know what it did right now so much as I want to know if
they explained it.
... DO NOT ADJUST YOUR MIND - the fault is with reality
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Msg : 32 of 100
From : Ken Mayes 1:393/7 .ÿò 27 .êò 95 08:55
To : Mark David
Subj : Re: SAAB: Propulsion Systems
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
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In many of Isaac Asimov's stories, fision reactors were used to heat
water to steam which was then vented out the back of the ship for propulsion.
Simple..but it works.
About the Helium 3. Your guess is as good as mine. One possibility...a
thermo-nuclear reaction, at least given the current understand of fusion,
requires a great deal of heat. Your average H-B consists of an old-fashioned
A-Bomb, fission bomb to be used as trigger for the fusion bomb. Perhaps, the
fission reactor on the transport was used primarily as a starter for a fusion
reactor which was not shown. ???
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Msg : 33 of 100
From : Jon Helis 1:396/40 .pä 25 .êò 95 01:27
To : Chris Carter
Subj : Re: The Long Twilight Sp
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
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.TID: InterEcho 1.12 6E010867
-=> Quoting Chris Carter to Jeff Hancock <=-
CC> Spoilers below. Cool spoilerguard removed to save bandwidth. 25
CC> carriage returns inserted.
CC> On (23 Oct 95) Jeff Hancock wrote to All...
JH> I thought Draal was a bit of a pompous, preachy fellow during
JH> Voice in the Wilderness, but it is as nothing as compared with
JH> his younger self. The content didn't seem excessively
JH> self-promoting, but otherwise his speaking style seems typical
JH> of someone rather full of himself.
CC> Think of Draal as a professor at a major university. These sorts of
CC> folks do often times get a bit full of themselves, and speak
CC> accordingly. I thought the obviously preplanned speech, intercut
CC> with more conversational phrases was brilliant and funny.
JH> It's mildly interesting that this time, the Epsilon 3
JH> installation that is visited, and where Draal is kept, is only
JH> three miles beneath the surface. I seem to remember that it
JH> was five miles in VitW.
Well, I guess getting the knowlege of most of the universe will do that to
someone. I'm back in college now, so I know what you mean about those
professors being full of themselves.
What I found interesting(that nobody has talked about) was that there was a
reference to "Babylon Squared" in one scene with Draal. I wonder what his roll
in the taking of Babylon 4 was.
... Babylon Five: the Best in Television ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
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Msg : 34 of 100
From : Meredith Billington 1:109/611 .åò 26 .êò 95 20:04
To : All
Subj : Movies and shows
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
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All,
I was wondering what do you think is/are the best Sci-Fi flicks and
shows are?
Meredith
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Msg : 35 of 100
From : Patrick Long 1:271/380 .åò 26 .êò 95 20:30
To : All
Subj : Q HEADING FOR VOYAGER
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.TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 94-0096
This message was from DENNIS RAYBURN to ALL
and was forwarded to you by PATRICK LONG
----------------------------------------
I just got this and thought everyone would find it VERY interesting!
Dennis
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UPN
October 19, 1995
For Immediate Release
THE OMNIPOTENT Q RETURNS ON "STAR TREK: VOYAGER"
AIRING LATER THIS SEASON ON UPN
Captain Janeway Endures the Universe's Most Notorious Troublemaker
And Commander William T. Riker Is Called to Testify On Q's Behalf
The omnipotent Q makes his triumphant return to a Starfleet vessel in a
riveting episode of "Star Trek: Voyager" airing later this season on UPN.
The hugely popular character, portrayed by actor John de Lancie, is an entity
with near godlike powers, child-like petulance and a sense of playfulness.
He was last seen in the finale of "Star Trek: The Next Generation" (May,
1994) and, since then, the prospect of his return has been a topic of
widespread interest among viewers. Jonathan Frakes, as Commander William
T. Riker, also makes a special guest appearance in the episode.
Commenting on the storyline, de Lancie said, "It's the best yet! It
certainly answers alot of people's questions about the nature of being Q,
but also begs many *other* questions."
In the episode, entitled "Death Wish," a rebel Q (Gerrit Graham) escapes
imprisonment from inside a comet and demands asylum aboard the U.S.S.
Voyager. Just as quickly, the well-known Q (de Lancie) arrives to force the
escaped Q back to the Continuum, the extra-dimensional domain in which their
immortal kind exist. Meanwhile, the escaped Q proclaims that if Captain
Janeway (Kate Mulgrew) grants him sanctuary, he intends to commit suicide
to end the tedium he has endured as an immortal being.
Noting the dictates of Starfleet protocol, Janway holds a hearing to
consider the request for asylum. The tables are turned on Q as Federation
personnel preside over a trial in which he must defend the Q Continuum and
the ever-logical Tuvok acts as counsel for the escaped Q. A courtroom
drame ensues when Q calls himself to the witness stand along with a varied
group of other people, including Commander William T. Riker, whose lives
were profoundly changed by Q's influence.
In a collaboration between father and sin, the story was written by Shawn
Piller and the teleplay was written by Michael Piller. The episode is
directed by James L. Conway. Rick Berman, Michael Piller and Jeri Taylor
are the creators/executive producers of "Star Trek: Voyager." The series
is a production of Paramount Network Television.
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Msg : 36 of 100
From : Starwolf 1:163/214 .åò 26 .êò 95 13:38
To : Kay Shapero
Subj : B5 schedule
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Thanks for the idea vis looking for data on the B5 echo. I'm not sure if it
would help in hunting down the randomly scheduled episodes we see out here.
That station is just TERRIBLE in terms of showing things out of whack.
WHen STTNG began everywhere else on the planet, that station decided to hold off
for a month so they could show baseball instead. Two years later, they allowed
the rights to slip out of their fingers and land to a second-rate local station
with an irritating "here's Uncle Bob's Car-tune Show" host to introduce each
episode.
They managed to get X-MEN but, though they'd bought the whole season, they went
for two months in mid-season without showing any (no explanation) and then
resumed showing them - at three AM!!!
The programming and scheduling staff must be on drugs. The really annoying part
of it is, they've been bought out by a larger network - the Baton Broadcasting
System. That's right: BBS. So now, BBS is fouling up our favourite shows.
***SIGH***
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Msg : 37 of 100
From : Gerry Normandeau 1:163/430 .ÿò 27 .êò 95 00:00
To : Jackson Raster
Subj : Re: Personal Favorites
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-> I am still searching the used bins for The Ringworld Engineers. But
-> excelant sourse of material is the RPG Ringworld. This role playing g
-> expands the Ringworld and Ringworld Engineers books. In it you can pl
-> explorers from outside or inhabitants of the world. Great fun.
-> As I recall I read an artical about the impact of the Ringworld conc
-> on other authors. Some have used multiple rings, one at each AU in th
-> Star Trek: The Next Genetation episode "Rellics" Featured a Dyson Sp
-> it was only an hour show and not much was seen of it.
-> From a novelest's standpoint you could use such a world and never ru
-> material!
-> Thankz4YorInterest! };>
JR> Who puts out that RPG, BTW?
JR> -JTR
I think it was put out by GDW but I realy could be wrong.};>
The system has been out of print for some years now so your going to
have to dig deep in the sale bins to find it! };<
... Got enough guilt to start my own religion
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Msg : 38 of 100
From : Gerry Normandeau 1:163/430 .ÿò 27 .êò 95 00:00
To : Nicolai Shapero
Subj : Re: Questions, but are t
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Nicolai was heard putting a contract on Gerry because of Re: Questions, but are
t!
NS> With one gee boost halfway, then deceleration for the remainder of the
NS> distance, transit of one astronomical unit (93 million
NS> miles) takes about 68.7 hours (less than three days).
NS> Since the distance covered will go as the square of the
NS> time invovled, allowing for thirty days should get you 100
NS> AU. The mean distance of pluto's orbit is around 39 AU. A
NS> month, in other words, gets you a LONG way at constant
NS> boost...
Interplanetary dynamic physics ain't my strong suit };>
GN>But if you say start an adventure on a
GN>starship
GN>and launch that ship using the slow way, the hero's great, great,
GN>great,
GN>great grandson will end the story.
NS> Nope. Because the hero will be on board a ship that will be pushing
NS> the speed of light within a year, and relativistic effects
NS> (time dilation) will get him to the stars in decent ship-
NS> time.
Yes but the problen is the adventure can only take place on that ship.
Character interaction outside the confines of the ship is imposible because
of the time problem. As for trade at relativistic speed, we should look back at
the old Ducth East India Co. Each ship that is sent is a big deal and carries
vast quantities of preshious goods. Most definatly finished products such as
art (especialy alien art and artifacts), unique textiles and preshious gems and
high tec goods. Of course the ships will be huge to offset the fact that very
get in and out of port very often. The companys would be powers untothemselves
like the Dutch East India.
GN> Hyperspace is not the creation of a single author. It is a
GN>sientific
GN>theory dating back to I don't know when.
NS> It is a science fiction convention; it is not scientific theory.
Strange I could have sworn it was a theory? Oh well };>
NS> While the above sig lines may be considered acceptable on
NS> Internet/Usenet, where the communications costs are seldom
NS> picked up by the individuals posting same, this is
NS> FidoNet. They are to be discouraged. And on this
NS> conference (which I moderate) they are out and out
NS> forbidden. Please lose the signature in future.
AW Nuts! And it was so pretty too! };> Ok no problem!
... Dragons again? I activate my +6 St. George Surface to Air Missile
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
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Msg : 39 of 100
From : Gerry Normandeau 1:163/430 .ÿò 27 .êò 95 00:00
To : Mark David
Subj : Re: SAAB: Propulsion Sys
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Mark was heard putting a contract on All because of SAAB: Propulsion Systems!
MD> I am reffering to the Oct. 8 episode (the one before last--sorry, I
MD> didn't catch the title).
MD> The cargo craft uses a nuclear propulsion system (I cite the numerous
MD> refrences to technology currently in use, ie. control rods, feul
MD> cells, ect.)
MD> Using the refrences given, it sounded like the writers took a tour of
MD> a nuclear power plant, in particular a MHTGR or IFR type reactor
MD> system.
MD> Now, first of all, I wonder how propulsion was achieved with nuclear
MD> fission. As you may or may not know, nuclear power production is
MD> really just a very fancy steam-turbine system. I can see a pulse-type
MD> propulsion, matter-antimatter conversion, fussion-generated plasma
MD> propulsion--but I'm at a loss how one would go about making a ship
MD> move using fission power. That piddling little core we saw in that
MD> episode might generate about 100kW or so.
Workable but by no means practical. For a fission reactor to be used as
a propulsion system you take two large tubes and fill the space betwen with
uranium pellets and then force liqued hydrogen through them causing the
hudrogen to become superheated and forcing it out the back. The idea was being
worked on by the US Air Force in the mid '70s and produced 50% better thrust
than conventional rockets. Of course the steam would be fantasticly radioactive!
MD> Which brings me to my next question--how the hell do you use Helium-3
MD> in a fission reactor? Aside from a coolant in the MHTGR (Modular High
MD> Tempature Gas-cooled Reactor) system, I can see no use for it, and
MD> certainly cannot justify the evident importance placed on it.
You got me there!};> Especialy the size of the container was that of a large
thermous. If there is somthing we have in abundance in the universe is helium.
... A Red Dragon?! Hmmph! I grab my trusty spoon +2 and charge 'im!!
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
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Msg : 40 of 100
From : Boris CDuke 2:463/2.22 .cê 29 .êò 95 13:55
To : All
Subj : test
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TYPE: Unknown area
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Hi All!
Sombody from 1st zone please send me this message back via INTERNET to:
boris@sfclub.freenet.kiev.ua.
Thanx
Bestest, Boris
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Msg : 41 of 100
From : Michael Harper 1:123/10 .åò 26 .êò 95 15:13
To : Starwolf
Subj : Kubrik?
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> Oh, OK. The original post hadn't been clear as to the
> separation between director and personality. I can't comment
> on the latter save to say 'was'. He's been dead from some
> time.
Au contraire, mon ami. Kubrick is still alive, and has a film in the cooker even
as we speak. It's called A.I. and is due out next year sometime, barring
complications. Rumour mill has it that Kubrick has known about his property for
some years, but was waiting for the technology to make it possible.
It occurs to me that with the advances in CGI, it's now possible to do a decent
film adaptation of Alfie Bester's THE STARS MY DESTINATION... please, God...
> As for THE SHINING, I didn't much care for it, either.
Did anybody? I mean, it wasn't bad, but it also wasn't Steve's book, either.
I'll never admit it around Steve, but I actually enjoyed bits of it...
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Msg : 42 of 100
From : Don Dellmann 1:154/750 .óá 28 .êò 95 06:17
To : Beth Lunney
Subj : hercules
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.TID: FastEcho 1.45a 8060
While tripping merrily through the mail, Beth Lunney was overheard
BL> Can anyone tell me when the show Hercules airs? I'd like to start
BL> watching it, but don't feel like reading through the whole tv guide to
BL> find out when it's on. Kinda lazy, I know.
BL> thanks,
Since it's a "syndicated" show now, it could be any time, you'll have
to call your local stations if you don't wanna dig through the paper.
(FWIW, here in Beertown it's aired occasionaly (alternating with
episodes of "Xena") on Wednsday nights at 7:00 PM central time on
the "independent" station that's owned by the UPN station.
Don
... Heisenberg might have been here
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Msg : 43 of 100
From : David Johnston 1:342/14 .óá 28 .êò 95 00:07
To : Mark David
Subj : Re: Re: Saab: The Invitro
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-> I can see no use for slave labour in an industialized society. We
-> know, given the AIs, their robotics technology is amazingly
-> advanced--robots would prove far more efficient in the kind of labour
-> we see the invitros pressed into. And probably cheaper, too.
Probably...if they weren't leery of using humanoid robots for anything
as a result of the AI war.
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Msg : 44 of 100
From : Jon Helis 1:396/40 .óá 28 .êò 95 19:40
To : Don Dellmann
Subj : Re: hercules
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.TID: InterEcho 1.12 6E010867
-=> Quoting Don Dellmann to Beth Lunney <=-
DD> While tripping merrily through the mail, Beth Lunney was overheard
BL> Can anyone tell me when the show Hercules airs? I'd like to start
BL> watching it, but don't feel like reading through the whole tv guide to
BL> find out when it's on. Kinda lazy, I know.
BL> thanks,
DD> Since it's a "syndicated" show now, it could be any time, you'll have
DD> to call your local stations if you don't wanna dig through the paper.
DD> (FWIW, here in Beertown it's aired occasionaly (alternating with
DD> episodes of "Xena") on Wednsday nights at 7:00 PM central time on
DD> the "independent" station that's owned by the UPN station.
If you have cable, WGN Chicago airs Hurcules and Xena back to back on Friday
nights at 7:00 P.M. Central.
... Nothing is so simple that it cant get screwed up. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
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Msg : 45 of 100
From : Tony Trujillo 1:280/9 .óá 28 .êò 95 02:51
To : Keith Stokes
Subj : Re: Bat villains
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.TID: GE 1.11+
TT>>You mean THE MASK OF THE PHANTASM? I've been meaning to rent
TT>>this one for awhile.
KS> Thats the one. I give it a strong recomendation.
::in Buck Wheat voice::
O'tay!!!!
KS> BTW Its nice to see you around the net again! Are you going to
KS> ConTraception?
I don't know if I'd really feel comfortable at a con with
a name like that! :^)
Actually, my next con will be SOONERCON in Okee City. I'm
really looking forward to meeting Zane, Grace, Lonnie, Jo
and some other Fido-nutters from other echoes. It should be
a really cool time.
... HEINLEINEKIN'S: The Strange Beer in a Strange Can
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Msg : 46 of 100
From : Mark Jones 1:105/302.47 .åò 26 .êò 95 18:11
To : Mark David
Subj : SAAB: Propulsion Systems
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
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On (24 Oct 95) Mark David wrote to All...
MD> As you may or may not know, nuclear power production is really
MD> just a very fancy steam-turbine system. I can see a pulse-type
MD> propulsion, matter-antimatter conversion, fussion-generated
MD> plasma propulsion--but I'm at a loss how one would go about
MD> making a ship move using fission power. That piddling little core
MD> we saw in that episode might generate about 100kW or so.
It's quite simple, really. They use a Dean Drive. The fission plant
spins a rotor, and the Dean Drive converts the rotary energy into
linear motion! They're flying through space on the world's biggest
electric drill motor!
--- PPoint 1.78
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Msg : 47 of 100
From : Mark Jones 1:105/302.47 .ÿò 27 .êò 95 18:22
To : Mark David
Subj : SAAB: THE INVITROS
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
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TYPE: Unknown area
AREA:SFFAN
On (25 Oct 95) Mark David wrote to Ecarey...
MD> I can see no use for slave labour in an industialized society. We
MD> know, given the AIs, their robotics technology is amazingly
MD> advanced--robots would prove far more efficient in the kind of
MD> labour we see the invitros pressed into. And probably cheaper,
MD> too.
"Would you like fries with that?"
Instead of minimum-wage drones, think of slaves. What with
pictographic keypads, they wouldn't even need to know how to read to
do a lot of jobs. Ditto for many grunt labor jobs, even some factory
jobs. A slightly higher level of slave might indeed be literate and
know how to do basic accounting. That opens up whole new areas of
labor for slaves.
Efficiency isn't an absolute. It's measured in terms of your
goals. If your goal is to maximize freedom, using robot labor may be
the way to go. If your goal is to maintain a powerful slave-owning
minority in power, using slaves to run a less technical--but still
fully industrialized economy--robots are a *danger*.
You might try reading MARCHING THROUGH GEORGIA, UNDER THE YOKE and
THE STONE DOGS by Steve Stirling. He writes about a 20th century
slave-owning culture that is fully industrialized and all too
believable (in some ways). And much of what he postulates is backed
up by non-fiction research into slavery in the 18th and 19th century
US (and other nations), mostly in the book WITHOUT CONSENT OR
CONTRACT.
It appears that the arguments against slavery are mostly moral;
many of the practical arguments are less convincing than they were
once believed to be.
--- PPoint 1.78
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Msg : 48 of 100
From : Judy Hayes 1:154/40 .óá 28 .êò 95 15:37
To : Beth Lunney
Subj : Re: hercules
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
FROM: 2:463/2
TYPE: Unknown area
AREA:SFFAN
->Quoshara reminising about being SWAN, heard Beth say:
BL> Can anyone tell me when the show Hercules airs? I'd like to start
BL> watching it, but don't feel like reading through the whole tv guide to
BL> find out when it's on. Kinda lazy, I know.
Beth,
Since this is an International echo, it would be very helpful if you told us
what area you are in.
Here in Milwaukee, it airs on Saturday nights at 9 p.m. but if you're not in
this area that won't help you.
BL> ! Origin: Alcohol-Caffeine-Nicotine-Chocolate: 4 Food Groups
BL> (1:323/109)
Yes, I know that these numbers *should* tell me, approximately, where you live
but I've never been able to figure them out.
--Quoshara
... Take my advice, I don't use it anyway.
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Msg : 49 of 100
From : Nicolai Shapero 1:102/524 .óá 28 .êò 95 04:09
To : David Johnston
Subj : Re: Questions, But Are T
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
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On , David Johnston (1:342/14) wrote to Nicolai Shapero:
DJ>Of course, it would be a great mystery where he was getting his
DJ>unlimited reaction mass, Tau Prime notwithstanding.
You don't need unlimited reaction mass. A matter-antimatter reaction drive
(ref. Dr. R. Forward) will allow you to get ruddy close to cee without too
terrible a mass ratio. And if you try alternative methods (laser launcher and
light sail approach) you can get reasonable percentages (10-20%) of cee with no
real problem of mass ratios at all...
-- Nicolai Shapero, the Mad Russian Sysop of StormGate Aerie
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Msg : 50 of 100
From : Niclas Wallander 2:200/432 .åò 26 .êò 95 21:58
To : Pia Adler
Subj : N.gra fr.gor
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
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Hej Pia (eller Pidde?)
Jag kÔr nu ett riktigt kom.program i stÄllet fÔr terminalen. Vilken skilnad!
FÄrg och allting.
Det Är dock nÆgra smÆ frÆgor som uppenbarades nÄr jag bÔrjade kika i meddelande
arean som jag undrar om det gÆr att fÆ svar pÆ. Det vore ju trÆkigt att anoya
nÆgon :) (eller ska den va pÆ andra hÆllet (: ) Det finns kanske nÆgot slags
fÔrklarande dokument med FQA. Jag kan ju knappast var den fÔrste som undrar.
FrÆgor:
1 Îr mina ÆÄÔÏÎÙ riktiga?
2 Vad betyder * och RA_ i Meny fÔr Areabyte?
3 Music stÆr det ibland. Kan det lÆta nÆgot?
4 Hur skriver man enklast till nÆgon annan i basen resp. utanfÔr basen, och
spelar det nÆgon roll vilken linje in som man anges vid net-mail om nÆgon
skriver till mig.
5 GÆr det att skriva till nÆgon pÆ Internet och vise versa?
6 Det stÆr SFFAN lÄngst ner. InnebÄr det att det hÄr meddelandet kommer att
hamna i den arean?. Skulle den ha gjort det ber jag hemskt mycket om ursÄkt. Jag
trodde att om man skrev till sysop sÆ kom det dit.
Tack och hej och Lev vÄl.
HÄlsningar Niclas i Lund
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Msg : 51 of 100
From : Jeff Hancock 1:3600/7 .ÿò 27 .êò 95 21:05
To : Frank Glover
Subj : The Long Twilight Sp
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
FG>JH> Does anyone get the impression G'Kar knows what's happening to
FG>JH>the Narn fleet as he's praying?
FG> I think it was more a case of anticipating and fearing exactly
FG>what was happening.
It must have been, I mean, there's no way he should have been able to
know.
The thing is... How could he have even really guessed about the battle
at Gorash 7? I can see him anticipating that Homeworld would be attacked
while the Narn fleet was elsewhere, and guessing further that the fleet
would be unable to return or stop the attack, but he had no reason to
suspect that the Centauri (or company) would be able to put up a massive
enough defense to stop the fleet. The Warmaster expected it to succeed
under even the worst (Centauri ;) conditions, even with G'kar knowing
about the Shadows, he would have to assume that they would somehow get
word of the attack and there was no way he could have known about that;
no connection between Franklin's contact and the suspected attack on
Homeworld to lead to the total defeat at Gorash 7.
-=-
* Crazy-J * "It drives like a truck." "Good. What is a truck?"
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Msg : 52 of 100
From : Jeff Hancock 1:3600/7 .ÿò 27 .êò 95 21:12
To : Mark Holtz
Subj : The Long Twilight Sp
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
MH>I still enjoyed the episode, even after six viewings before it aired.
I've seen it three times so far.
It may seem odd, but I think "The Coming of Shadows" was still a better
episode overall, it wasn't as good in some respects but it was better
... balanced is the only word I can think of. Then again, it wasn't
quite as depressing. ;)
MH>the Narn vs. Shadows, we cut between the battle and G'Kar praying
MH>like heck.
Actually, I rather disliked that... I mean is this a battle or a music
video? ;-)
MH>And, when the Narn were all defeated, G'Kar just knew, and
MH>entinquised the candle.
That was an intriguing touch, but I still don't see how it should work.
Maybe it's like that "A woman in Seattle burns her hand on a hot stove,
half a continent away her sister cries out in pain." deal. ;-)
MH> JH> What is with that funky music and Sheridan in the shower? ;) And
MH>How many of us thought it was Ivanova?
Heh. For some reason I don't think I did, but it was certainly suggested
at, and considering Ivanova's little karma problem. ;)
MH> JH> I thought Draal was a bit of a pompous, preachy fellow during
MH>A little too dramatic.
Yes, yes, that's it. Fun, though, wasn't he? I think him and Delenn's
Fraggin' line were the only humorous bits in the whole episode.
MH> JH> I *like* the Narn Warmaster. Too bad... but what a way to go!
MH>Let's see here, W. Morgan Shepperd appeared twice on B5. Both times,
MH>he died.
I don't remember his first role.
But hey, as long as he returns as the Shadow's leader....
-=-
* Crazy-J * "It was a boring conversation anyway."
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Msg : 53 of 100
From : Dan Kachoogian 1:107/953 .ÿò 27 .êò 95 12:02
To : Sunsparc
Subj : Re: B5: Shadow War Prediction
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
*** Quoting Sunsparc to Steve Wiser ***
Su> As predicted by yours truly, Delenns Compatriot is now going
Su> to
Su> help B5 ...... with all that firepower, the shadows are no match
Su>
Su> We'll have to wait for awile now to see about the other
Su> predictions
Su>
Su> What about Your Predictions? Let's hear your
Su> side..........Sunsparc
Well, I doubt the shadow war will be easy. It'll be on a lot of fronts, and it
will be won ... but not without significant losses.
Lets just hope that it stays on the air for the full 5 season story.
BTW: When those shadow ships fight, they seem quite capable of kicking butt.
They sure hosed up everything we've seen so far. And the reaction of two of them
to damage in the battle (in the episode where the narn/centauri war ended) seems
to imply the ships are alive, at least in a sense...
-Dan
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Msg : 54 of 100
From : Todd Sullivan 1:202/720.3 .åò 26 .êò 95 10:42
To : Starwolf
Subj : Re: Kubrik?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Whilst falling into the sun on 23 Oct 95, Starwolf yelled to Michael Harper:
S> Oh, OK. The original post hadn't been clear as to the separation
S> between director and personality. I can't comment on the latter save to
S> say 'was'. He's been dead from some time.
S> As for THE SHINING, I didn't much care for it, either.
I avoid any teleplays done from books, as you lose a lot in the process, never
mind what the producers add to it.
I certainly don't recall the "elevator releasing a flood of blood" scene from
the book, and I had read it only four to six months before the movie was
released.
Todd Sullivan
... Do misbehaving witches get sent to the broom closet?
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Msg : 55 of 100
From : Todd Sullivan 1:202/720.3 .åò 26 .êò 95 10:50
To : Mark David
Subj : Re: SAAB: Propulsion Systems
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Whilst falling into the sun on 24 Oct 95, Mark David yelled to All:
MD> Hi all.
MD> I am reffering to the Oct. 8 episode (the one before last--sorry, I
MD> didn't catch the title).
MD> The cargo craft uses a nuclear propulsion system (I cite the numerous
MD> refrences to technology currently in use, ie. control rods, feul cells,
MD> ect.)
MD> Thoughts?
The system is/was the NERVA. I have no idea that the acronym really stands for,
but it's basically taking an inert reaction mass and passing it through a
high-temp fission reactor, vaporizing and expelling the mass. They were referred
to as "steam Kettles", as the first proposal was for water. There were
experiments done in the '50's and '60's, as I saw some test footage somewhere on
Discovery, but were dropped due to (then) technical problems. S:AAB assumes
that it's been more or less perfected.
Todd Sullivan
... "It is easier to stay out than get out." -Twain
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Msg : 56 of 100
From : Todd Sullivan 1:202/720.3 .óá 28 .êò 95 09:40
To : Meredith Billington
Subj : Re: Movies and shows
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Whilst falling into the sun on 26 Oct 95, Meredith Billington yelled to All:
MB> I was wondering what do you think is/are the best Sci-Fi flicks
MB> and shows are?
Hmmmm. You can ask some dillies... :^)
I want to preface this with, not quite a demand, but a strongly made request:
No bashing anyone's preferences, please. Everyone here has different tastes,
and attacking them is about as intelligent as attacking someone for other
likes/dislikes, ie.,* NOT*!
Sorry, Nicolai, but I felt it had to be said.
Favorite episodic TV: Outer Limits
Favorite "themed" TV: Star Trek, TOS
Favorite Movie Group: Star Wars Trilogy (of those, "Empire") Favorite Movie:
Logan's Run (just for its differences from the book) Favorite Pilot: Voyage To
The Bottom of the Sea
Todd Sullivan
... "Do you really want the answer? The ULTIMATE answer?" --Deep Thought
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Msg : 57 of 100
From : Todd Sullivan 1:202/720.3 .ÿò 27 .êò 95 10:57
To : Frank Glover
Subj : Re: More faves...
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Whilst falling into the sun on 24 Oct 95, Frank Glover yelled to me:
FG>
TS>> ... When agnostics die, do they go to the Great Perhaps?
FG>
FG> Maybe.
FG>
FG> (I know you didn't write the tagline, but I couldn't resist.)
I don't doubt it; I've been told that parts of me are irresistable.
Todd Sullivan
... "Strange brew killed what's inside of you." --Cream
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Msg : 58 of 100
From : Raj Gabrielse 2:2802/322.2 .cê 29 .êò 95 00:15
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : The Long Twilight Sp 1/2
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
| Greetings Jeff! |>---> ==_-=-
Sol date, 23-Oct-95 at 17:57:00...
in a state of mind that boldly went where no one went before,
Jeff Hancock transmitted this message to All...
JH> THE LONG TWILIGHT SPOILER
>
> [space previously occupied by a warped picture]
Nice, what did it portrait? I could vagely recognize some features, but it
seems to have gone warp 10 once to often?...
Would ya be so kind and route this ship a second time round? I have a hunch
it will be a great addition for my collection once it's less 'warped'.;-)
Your efforts would be much apreciated...;->
PS. Other works of ASCII/ANSI ST:... Art is also very welcomed...;->>>
PSS. would the designer of this Enterprice please identify him/herself for
due credit reference?
. --- . | \\//. 'Live Long and Prosper' ____.-._____ _________
\'o^o`/ | Gjar'c @DINet.NL, on 29-Oct-1995 at 00:15 `-' \\______||_
`-=-' | Where the strange and bizarre become normal... }[_______,--'
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Msg : 59 of 100
From : Chris Carter 1:105/290.23 .óá 28 .êò 95 07:10
To : Jon Helis
Subj : The Long Twilight Sp
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (25 Oct 95) Jon Helis wrote to Chris Carter...
CC> Spoilers below. Cool spoilerguard removed to save bandwidth.
CC> 25 carriage returns inserted.
JH> What I found interesting(that nobody has talked about) was
JH> that there was a reference to "Babylon Squared" in one scene
JH> with Draal. I wonder what his roll in the taking of Babylon 4
JH> was.
I don't know, but it ought to be cool. That throwaway line about
Zathrus does get one to thinking, eh...
Chris - carter@teleport.com
... Illudium Phosdex - the Shaving Cream Atom
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Msg : 60 of 100
From : Jackson Raster 1:3637/77 .cê 29 .êò 95 10:18
To : Todd Sullivan
Subj : Re: More faves...
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> Whilst falling into the sun on 18 Oct 95, Jackson Raster yelled to Al
->
-> JR> Has anyone else become a fan of the Warlock series by Christophe
-> JR> Stasheff? Or possibly the Crosstime Engineer series by Leo Frank
-> JR> How about the Guardians of the Flame series by Rosenberg? I'd lo
-> JR> good discussions about these on this echo...
->
-> Stasheff, yes. The others I've not seen. Warning: Haven't read bey
-> Warlock Rock", so we'll see.
->
-> Todd Sullivan
->
-> ... When agnostics die, do they go to the Great Perhaps?
->
-> -*- ASTG 1.9
->
-> --- Spot 1.3a Unregistered
-> * Origin: Todd's Spot in the Continuum (1:202/720.3)You really need
to get past Warlock Rock....it was the worst one...don't get
disappointed...
-JTR
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Msg : 61 of 100
From : Jackson Raster 1:3637/77 .cê 29 .êò 95 10:29
To : Todd Sullivan
Subj : Re: Voyager: Non Sequiter
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Then we are agreed...
-JTR
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Msg : 62 of 100
From : Teresa Beacher 21:400/102 .pä 18 .êò 95 19:13
To : All
Subj : Earth 2
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Does anyone know if if the Doctor in Earth 2 played Pilot in Captain Power.
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Msg : 63 of 100
From : Michael Harper 1:123/10 .cê 29 .êò 95 13:58
To : Dkimmel
Subj : KUBRICK
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
My dislike of Kubrick stems from his attitude toward actors and screenwriters,
especially toward the latter. At one time I felt somewhat the way you do, but
the hatchet job he did on "The Shining" soured me on him. King may be a hack,
but at least he's honest about it; Kubrick thinks he's an artiste', and he's not
even as good as King. Without the talents of writers, cinematographers, sfx
techs and, yes, actors, Kubrick wouldn't even be the halfass hack excuse for a
director that he is. The man's a hasbeen; file him away with Cimino, De Palma
and all the other ex-champions. If I want to see the work of a master, I'll
watch a film by Fred Zinnemann or John Huston. At least they're honest workmen
who try to entertain you.
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Msg : 64 of 100
From : The Raven 1:363/309 .cê 29 .êò 95 01:44
To : All
Subj : Vir Cotto
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Does anyone else think that Vir is most likely going to become one of
G'Kar's greatest assets in the coming months? Helping out the Narn
resistance? Perhaps even eventually becoming a ranger...
Jack Butler
... Cthulhu of Borg: *Truly* too terrible to even think about!
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Msg : 65 of 100
From : Brion Lienhart 1:213/700.2 .cê 29 .êò 95 19:37
To : Patrick Long
Subj : Q HEADING FOR VOYAGER
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
So, what excuse are they going to use for Q not sending them back to Federation
Space?
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Msg : 66 of 100
From : Brion Lienhart 1:213/700.2 .cê 29 .êò 95 19:37
To : Gerry Normandeau
Subj : Re: Personal Favorites
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On Fri Oct 27, Gerry Normandeau said to Jackson Raster:
[Ringworld RPG]
-GN> I think it was put out by GDW but I realy could be wrong.};>
-GN> The system has been out of print for some years now so your going to
-GN>have to dig deep in the sale bins to find it! };<
Guess what, you're really wrong. 8-(;-)
It was published by Chaosium in the early 80s. It was one of their Basic
Roleplaying System games, and a lot of people didn't like it much.
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Msg : 67 of 100
From : Brion Lienhart 1:213/700.2 .cê 29 .êò 95 19:42
To : Michael Harper
Subj : Oook!
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On Wed Oct 25, Michael Harper said to Beverley Cote:
-MH>Now I've gotta go find a copy of the new one, "Lords And Ladies". The
-MH>thing in the advert says mething about a football team that gets the
-MH>crap beat out of them by a gang of elves.
It was the Morris Dancing team, not a football team. The more or less acted like
a football team though. Full body contact Morris Dancing. 8-(;-)
--- QM v1.31
* Origin: Ministry of Truth - Carson City, NV (1:213/700.2)
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Msg : 68 of 100
From : Todd Sullivan 1:202/720.3 .óá 28 .êò 95 14:45
To : The Raven
Subj : Re: Dr. Bashir name change
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Whilst falling into the sun on 27 Oct 95, The Raven yelled to Samantha Dobbs:
SD>> I just found out that the actor who plays Dr. Bashir has changed his
SD>> name! Siddig El Fadil is now Alexander Siddig! I have no idea why he
SD>> changed it, but I know he had a dog called Alex! Maybe the dog is now
SD>> Siddig!
TR> He explained it in a TV Guide interview. He changed his name
TR> because people have difficulty with his name. Anyway, he came up with
TR> Alexander by looking through a book of baby names but never made it past
TR> the a's.
You don't suppose it could be because Worf's son is named
"Alexander"--Nnaaaahhhhhh!
Todd Sullivan
... Everyone is gifted, but some open the package sooner.
-*- ASTG 1.9
--- Spot 1.3a Unregistered
* Origin: Todd's Spot in the Continuum (1:202/720.3)
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Msg : 69 of 100
From : Todd Sullivan 1:202/720.3 .óá 28 .êò 95 14:49
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : Re: B5 Vs St
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Whilst falling into the sun on 26 Oct 95, Jeff Hancock yelled to Owen E. Oulton:
OEO>> Not really... The Federation displays are still the flying bars. I
OEO>> think what Phil is mistaking for Cardassian-style graphics is the
JH> Well, I'll let you argue it out with him. I haven't paid all *that* much
JH> attention. ;-)
OEO>> expanded- function circular "Joystick-pad" which has been on all
JH> I have occasionally wondered how effective that really is. Granted,
JH> flying a starship is no Nintendo game, and the computer generally
JH> handles all the minor little details, but still...
It varies by station:
Conn: Manual flight/thruster control.
Ops: Manual sensor adjustments.
Tactical: Manual weapons targeting/selection.
Note that this is *manual*. There's no way it could be done that way normally.
In automatic, they'd be used for minor corrections or adjustments. That much
was only very occasionally shown. What I said above is paraphrased from the TNG
Tech Manual. Hmm. Manual: Manual page turner.
Todd Sullivan
... Easter has been cancelled: They found the body.
-*- ASTG 1.9
--- Spot 1.3a Unregistered
* Origin: Todd's Spot in the Continuum (1:202/720.3)
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Msg : 70 of 100
From : Todd Sullivan 1:202/720.3 .óá 28 .êò 95 14:54
To : David Johnston
Subj : Re: Saab: The Invitro
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Whilst falling into the sun on 28 Oct 95, David Johnston yelled to Mark David:
->> I can see no use for slave labour in an industialized society. We know,
->> given the AIs, their robotics technology is amazingly advanced--robots
->> would prove far more efficient in the kind of labour we see the invitros
->> pressed into. And probably cheaper, too.
DJ> Probably...if they weren't leery of using humanoid robots for anything
DJ> as a result of the AI war.
Another factor is that hostile environments ( to machines) are not a serious
problem to humans. The 'tanks' wouldn't need their systems and so forth cleaned
of dirt/dust, they're not susceptible to electromagnetic fields, don't
short-circuit, can stand greater temperatures and ranges, and don't require
costly and involved maintenance.
Can you imagine a robotic unit digging ditches without grinding to a halt from
the dirt getting into its joints? Neither can I.
Todd Sullivan
... "Hell." What a fortunate word to choose. --LeCroix
-*- ASTG 1.9
--- Spot 1.3a Unregistered
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Msg : 71 of 100
From : Phill Ash 1:275/160 .åò 26 .êò 95 06:22
To : Steven Wesen
Subj : Red Dwarf
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: GE 1.1+
SW> You said you had series 6 6months ago and it was shown originaly on
SW> BEEB a year ago .
I don't know what I said...
You didn't bother to quote
Besides, I haven't been in the UK since Feb of 94 and it was
easily a few months before that...
What I probably said was "I saw series 6, months ago, when it
first ran on the BBC2"
Your pal: PhlAsh
---
þ PhlAshMail 1.0 þ Black holes result from God dividing by zero.
~~~ ReneWave v1.01 [NR]
--- GEcho 1.10+
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Msg : 72 of 100
From : Steve Wiser 1:264/417 .cê 29 .êò 95 19:45
To : Sunsparc
Subj : Re: B5: Shadow War Predic
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 94-2151
Hello :
I think the Shadows will win in the short run, putting the "Army of
Light" on its back side so to speak, making them go underground for a
while fighting a gorilla war for a period. Say year three is one of
the Shadows winning, the year of the Shadow War. Last part of three
and four would be the gorilla war and restructuing of forces where the
Shadows and their allies are seen to have won with life under the
Shadows being what is shown. Year five would be the turning point for
the Forces of Light, with the return of some 'old ones' (maybe earlies
than this).
I know this is pure speculation with no foundation but its one
direction JMS make take us. I am enjoying every minute of it.
Steve Wiser
---
* KWQ/2 1.2g * Rush is Right.
--- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12
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Msg : 73 of 100
From : Bobb Waller 1:124/5023 .îí 30 .êò 95 22:46
To : All
Subj : Official Babylon 5 Hmpage
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
* Crossposted from: Babylon_5
I just got of from spending an hour on the B5 Home Page.
Not the Lurkers Guide, but the Warner Bros. home page!!!!!
Even with simple IRC chat for Babblers!
Neat sounds and such, here is the address:
----
----
See everyone there!
bbwaller@iadfw.net is Bobb Waller Sysop of FIAWOL-BBS
Dedicated to both Fandom and empowering the disABLED
... I don't mean to alarm you but your pants are talking to you.
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20
--- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#10000)
* Origin: FIAWOL/MSConnections * PP288MT II V.34 * 214-790-6472 * (1:124/5023)
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Msg : 74 of 100
From : Bobb Waller 1:124/5023 .îí 30 .êò 95 23:02
To : All
Subj : Official Babylon 5 Hmpage
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
* Crossposted from: Babylon_5
I just got of from spending an hour on the B5 Home Page.
Not the Lurkers Guide, but the Warner Bros. home page!!!!!
Even with simple IRC chat for Babblers!
Neat sounds and such, here is the address:
----
http://pathfinder.com/@@*FeipPF@xwAAQNFK/Babylon5/
----
See everyone there!
bbwaller@iadfw.net is Bobb Waller Sysop of FIAWOL-BBS
Dedicated to both Fandom and empowering the disABLED
... I don't mean to alarm you but your pants are talking to you.
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20
--- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#10000)
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Msg : 75 of 100
From : Don Dellmann 1:154/40 .îí 30 .êò 95 06:28
To : Jon Helis
Subj : Re: hercules
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
While tripping merrily through the mail, Jon Helis was overheard
DD> Since it's a "syndicated" show now, it could be any time, you'll have
DD> to call your local stations if you don't wanna dig through the paper.
DD> (FWIW, here in Beertown it's aired occasionaly (alternating with
DD> episodes of "Xena") on Wednsday nights at 7:00 PM central time on
DD> the "independent" station that's owned by the UPN station.
JH> If you have cable, WGN Chicago airs Hurcules and Xena back to back on
JH> Friday nights at 7:00 P.M. Central.
After I saw the message from the other young lady here in beertown I
checked our listings, and found our local "independent" (It's owned and
operated by the UPN station), does the same thing, and looking at the
program descriptions, Friday night is a repeat of the Wednesday night
show. (Not that I'm a fanatic about Xena, actually I have a crush on
Gabriella ).
Don
... I'm Heisenberg of Borg. Then again maybe I'm not.
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Msg : 76 of 100
From : Beverley Cote 1:134/32.9 .óá 28 .êò 95 17:23
To : Michael Harper
Subj : Oook!
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Hi Michael!
25 Oct 95: Michael Harper------>Beverley Cote
MH> Yeah, but it's all those odd little references to Buddy Holly and
MH> Elvis and so on that had me rolling... :)
Have you ever read a book called 'Buddy Holly Is Alive And Well And
Living On Ganymede"? I can't remember the author right now... it's
hilarious!
peace
Beverley
... For more information, send a self-obsessed stomped antelope.
--- PPoint 1.98
* Origin: ... Australia in '99 :) (1:134/32.9)
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Msg : 77 of 100
From : The Raven 1:363/309 .îí 30 .êò 95 11:52
To : Marc Zingarelli
Subj : Highlander: New Season
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
TR> Yep. Something I we will see at least one more time in the series...
TR>mainly because I know that something major is going to happen, and I'm not
TR>going to tell you what it is. Nyah nyah nyah.
MZ> I hate it when you do this!!!!! You're such a tease Jack.
Oh, just rumors and more rumors.
TR>... "Correction. I'm the oldest *known* Immortal." -- Methos
MZ> This tagline brings up a couple what ifs on its own.
Its from a fan-created story I thought highly of.
Jack Butler
... *Never* mess with Richie...
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.20 [NR]
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Msg : 78 of 100
From : Beverley Cote 1:134/32.9 .îí 30 .êò 95 15:03
To : Tony Trujillo
Subj : Bat villains
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Hi Tony,
28 Oct 95: Tony Trujillo------>Keith Stokes
KS> BTW Its nice to see you around the net again! Are you going to
KS> ConTraception?
TT> I don't know if I'd really feel comfortable at a con with
TT> a name like that! :^)
It would be a lot more comfortable that one called ConCeption! :)
Beverley
... Aw, come on guys, can't you take a #@%#^*%NO CARRIER
--- PPoint 1.98
* Origin: ... Australia in '99 :) (1:134/32.9)
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Msg : 79 of 100
From : Beverley Cote 1:134/32.9 .îí 30 .êò 95 15:06
To : The Raven
Subj : Vir Cotto
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Hello Jack,
29 Oct 95: The Raven------>All
TR> Does anyone else think that Vir is most likely going to become
TR> one of G'Kar's greatest assets in the coming months? Helping out the
TR> Narn resistance? Perhaps even eventually becoming a ranger...
I think it was Vir who got the message through, from the families on
the Narn homeworld, which allowed G'Kar to keep his leadership.
Beverley
... 2 rules for success: #1 Don't tell everything you know.
--- PPoint 1.98
* Origin: ... Australia in '99 :) (1:134/32.9)
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Msg : 80 of 100
From : Lyndon Soerensen 1:140/96 .ÿò 27 .êò 95 22:25
To : Nicolai Shapero
Subj : X-FILES BURGEONING
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-=> Quoting Nicolai Shapero to Lyndon Soerensen <=-
NS> Please, no IBM graphics characters -- your sig line includes them, and
NS> the
rules of this conference forbid them (some systems just up and
NS> die when
handed a message containing same).
My apologies. Had I read the rules a little closer, I woulda know. :(
NS> Thanks,
No prob.
... The Management reserves the right to serve refuse to anyone.
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 [NR]
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Msg : 81 of 100
From : Jeff Hancock 1:3600/7 .cê 29 .êò 95 22:11
To : Chris Carter
Subj : The Long Twilight Sp
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
CC>Spoilers below. Cool spoilerguard removed to save bandwidth. 25
Everything removed. Thanks to Fidolag, it's a moot point.
CC> JH> A rather interesting pattern of city lights on the surface of
CC> JH> Centauri Prime.
CC>You'll have to fill me in on this one, as I didn't notice a pattern.
Well, I'm not saying there *was* a specific pattern, but there kind of
*appeared* to be a pattern, if that makes any sense.
I can't remember if we've seen it in the daylight, so the city layout
may just be influenced by the shape of the land, rivers, and sea like
ours. Still, it almost appeared to form a pattern of sorts, and I had
the fleeting thought that the Centauri might have redesigned their
planetary city layout to take the form of a certain symbol when seen
from space.
CC> JH> What is with that funky music and Sheridan in the shower?
CC>More of the magic of Christopher Franke, I'd imagine. Don't you
CC>listen to music when you're showering?
Well, no.... I just thought that particular music was a little odd.
Suited the character of Draal just fine, though! ;-)
CC>Think of Draal as a professor at a major university. These sorts of
CC>folks do often times get a bit full of themselves, and speak
CC>accordingly. I thought the obviously preplanned speech, intercut
CC>with more conversational phrases was brilliant and funny.
No disagreement here.
CC> JH> And the way Londo and Refa's faces are partially shadowed by
CC> ^^^^^^^^
CC> JH> the poor lighting during the argument.... laying it on a bit
CC> JH> thick perhaps? ;)
CC>Think about it. ;~)
What else would be laid on thick?
CC> JH> I thought the Narn should have had more fighters, though.
CC>There may have been more fighters, but most of the combat was viewed
CC>on the scale of capital ships. Fighters were lost against the
CC>background most of the time.
I know, and I was kind of complaining about that too. Granted, it may
have been to counterpoint Star Wars, where one wonders at times why they
need capital ships at all. ;-) But all the same, I would have loved a
shot or two focusing on the smaller fighters as they fly near and around
the capital ships (getting blown up in the process as the larger ships
get fragged, no doubt).
One point I was curious about but never figured out until someone else
pointed it out, is that one of the Shadow Spitfires actually takes out
the engine of one of the Narn capital ships by suiciding into it. You
really have to be watching it carefully, it's just a speck that flies
straight into the engine core, and you can even hear its death cry
(which I figured was just part of the soundtrack until I noticed it).
Now if they had just shown a close-up... I doubt ANYONE caught that the
first time around.
However, judging by the previews for next week, we should see some
fighter action in The Fall of Night. And boy, the station is looking a
little half-a....rmed as a result! ;-)
CC> JH> Okay, did anyone else not care for the intercuts of G'Kar
CC>I think this was supposed to make the battle more personal, as well
CC>as reflect G'Kar's foreboding about it. I didn't have a problem with
Well, I guess you're right, but it still kind of took away a little from
the action as well.
CC>One might think that even the relatively small amount of damage done
CC>to the Shadow cruiser was enough to incapacitate it, because it was
CC>in *pain*.
I was wondering about that myself. It *does* fire one of the jump-point
nullifiers, so it can't be all that bad off.
Another interesting bit I noticed on a review is that one of the spines
actually appears to bend as the ship turns. I'm not sure if it does, due
to perspective, but I think it does.
-=-
* Crazy-J * "Stay close to the Vorlon... He's warm on cold nights!"
--- SLMAIL v3.5C (#1540)
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Msg : 82 of 100
From : Jeff Hancock 1:3600/7 .cê 29 .êò 95 22:13
To : Chris Carter
Subj : The Long Twilight Sp
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
CC> JH> The VORLON government filed protests against the Centauri as
CC>Remember, the Vorlons still have to give the impression that they're
CC>'just like everybody else,' rather than gadding about saying, "Hi.
Heh. Snicker. But what happened to "We take no interest in the affairs
of others.", eh?
CC>We're the Ancient Ones, and we're here to help you kick some Shadow
CC>ass." Filing protests, and doing nothing to back them up, makes the
CC>Vorlons look just as ridiculous as everyone else in the Council
CC>chambers.
Oh, I'm sure the Centauri will get their card punched by the Vorlons.
Just not quite yet.
-=-
* Crazy-J * What, STILL no messages in the LURKERS echo?
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Msg : 83 of 100
From : Jeff Hancock 1:3600/7 .cê 29 .êò 95 22:17
To : The Raven
Subj : The Long Twilight Sp
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
TR> Not to mention the fact that I seem to remember that Epsilon 3's
TR>facilities had an unbreathable atmosphere. Draal has apparently been
TR>a busy guy...
But of course, seeing how he redesigned other parts of the architechure.
But who can expect full continuity in this kind of thing? I mean, after
Ivanova and Sinclair set off that first laser booby trap, none of the
other visitors ever had to worry about it, did they?
Anyway, since Varn could provide normal air in that one room before, I'm
sure Draal could cover the entire base - or at least the area where
visitors would be travelling.
So, does this mean Zathras can breath a wide range of atmospheres?
-=-
* Crazy-J * "Donuts...is there anything they CAN'T do?"-Homer Simpson
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Msg : 84 of 100
From : Nicolai Shapero 1:102/524 .îí 30 .êò 95 04:59
To : Mark Jones
Subj : SAAB: THE INVITROS
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On , Mark Jones (1:105/302.47) wrote to Mark David:
MJ> You might try reading MARCHING THROUGH GEORGIA, UNDER THE YOKE
MJ>and
MJ>THE STONE DOGS by Steve Stirling. He writes about a 20th century
MJ>slave-owning culture that is fully industrialized and all too
MJ>believable (in some ways).
It's S.M. Stirling, and S. M. Stirling is a SHE, not a HE.
Just thought you might like to know. (By the by, she's a marine, too...)
-- Nicolai Shapero, the Mad Russian Sysop of StormGate Aerie
--- msged 2.06
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Msg : 85 of 100
From : Nicolai Shapero 1:102/524 .îí 30 .êò 95 05:00
To : Niclas Wallander
Subj : N.gra fr.gor
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On , Niclas Wallander (2:200/432) wrote to Pia Adler:
NW>Hej Pia (eller Pidde?)
NW>Jag kÔr nu ett riktigt kom.program i stÄllet fÔr terminalen.
NW>Vilken skilnad! FÄrg och allting.
NW>Det Är dock nÆgra smÆ frÆgor som uppenbarades nÄr jag bÔrjade
NW>kika i meddelande arean som jag undrar om det gÆr att fÆ svar pÆ.
NW>Det vore ju trÆkigt att anoya nÆgon :) (eller ska den va pÆ andra
NW>hÆllet (: ) Det finns kanske nÆgot slags fÔrklarande dokument med
NW>FQA. Jag kan ju knappast var den fÔrste som undrar.
Excuse please, but English is the official language of this conference. If
you're going to post in any other language, please post a translation of your
message in the same posting. If you are sending ONLY to another single person
who knows the language, please use Netmail, not this conference.
Thank you for your cooperation,
-- Nicolai Shapero, Moderator of the SFFAN echo
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Msg : 86 of 100
From : Kay Shapero 1:102/524 .îí 30 .êò 95 11:33
To : Meredith Billington
Subj : Movies and shows
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On , Meredith Billington (1:109/611) wrote to All:
MB> I was wondering what do you think is/are the best Sci-Fi
MB>flicks and shows are?
Current or all time? My current favorite SF TV shows are ST:DS9 and Babylon 5.
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Msg : 87 of 100
From : David Reffitt 1:280/341 .òp 31 .êò 95 06:37
To : The Raven
Subj : Re: Vir Cotto
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
I will more than agree with you on the fact the Vir will side with G'Kar and
maybe(just maybe) kill Londo? You think?
---
* Origin: Beyond the Pale 913-384-1577 (1:280/341)
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Msg : 88 of 100
From : David Johnston 1:342/14 .òp 31 .êò 95 00:04
To : Nicolai Shapero
Subj : Re: Questions, But Are T
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> DJ>Of course, it would be a great mystery where he was getting his
-> DJ>unlimited reaction mass, Tau Prime notwithstanding.
-> You don't need unlimited reaction mass. A matter-antimatter reaction
-> drive (ref. Dr. R. Forward) will allow you to get ruddy close to cee
-> without too
According to Isaac Asimov, it would require huge amounts of antimatter,
even to move a small capsule sized object at relativistic speeds.
--- PCBoard (R) v15.21/100
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Msg : 89 of 100
From : David Johnston 1:342/14 .òp 31 .êò 95 00:05
To : Brion Lienhart
Subj : Q Heading For Voyager
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> So, what excuse are they going to use for Q not sending them back to
-> Federation Space?
Why would Q send them back to Federation space?
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Msg : 90 of 100
From : Scott Sims 1:3657/2 .îí 23 .êò 95 22:25
To : Robert Lidgren
Subj : new x-files episode!!
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
about the new episode with the phycic. exelent i loved the episode.
it was funny and thrilling and truely well written. i wonder what he
meant by telling scully she wasn't going to die???. and the ending kinda
confused me. was that him in the bag and how did he get there? did the
killer and he walk there and then kill him there and return to work?
i liked the line he gave the killer about why he does the thinks he
does. " because your a maniacal serial killer." or whatever he used. was
one of the shows i wished i recorded to watch over again. i also liked
the one about the carnival. the ending cracked me up. " must've been
something i ate." indeed.
--- GAPNet Enhanced
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Msg : 91 of 100
From : Patrick Long 1:271/380 .îí 30 .êò 95 20:33
To : Brion Lienhart
Subj : Q HEADING FOR VOYAGER
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 94-0096
BL-=>So, what excuse are they going to use for Q not sending them back to
-=>Federation Space?
I dunno...
--- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12
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Msg : 92 of 100
From : Todd Sullivan 1:202/720.3 .îí 30 .êò 95 12:54
To : Brion Lienhart
Subj : Re: Q HEADING FOR VOYAGER
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Whilst falling into the sun on 29 Oct 95, Brion Lienhart yelled to Patrick Long:
BL> So, what excuse are they going to use for Q not sending them back to
BL> Federation Space?
Q will be (according to what I've read) persecuting another Q. There will be a
tribunal ,and Q will aparently have the tables turned on him by the Voyager
crew. Assuming ( a good possibility, given the premise ) he loses, his resonse
will probably be along the lines of:
"I thought you would see it my way. Since you didn't, you'll get no help from
me."
And he'll vanish, leaving them to go on.
Todd Sullivan
... "Ford" said Arthur, "you're turning into a penguin. Stop it"
-*- ASTG 1.9
--- Spot 1.3a Unregistered
* Origin: Todd's Spot in the Continuum (1:202/720.3)
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Msg : 93 of 100
From : Brion Lienhart 1:213/700.2 .òp 31 .êò 95 07:31
To : Todd Sullivan
Subj : Re: Saab: The Invitro
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On Sat Oct 28, Todd Sullivan said to David Johnston:
-TS>Can you imagine a robotic unit digging ditches without grinding to a
-TS>halt from the dirt getting into its joints? Neither can I.
Sure, it's called a Ditch Witch. You can rent them at any home rental center.
--- QM v1.31
* Origin: Ministry of Peace - Carson City, NV (1:213/700.2)
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Msg : 94 of 100
From : Starwolf 1:163/214 .îí 30 .êò 95 19:21
To : Todd Sullivan
Subj : Kubrik?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
I, too, generally don't care much for tv films made from books. There WERE a
few exceptions, though. While I'm not much of a fan of King's works, his MISERY
seemed to have been turned into a fairly good tv movie.
And, since 2001 is my all-time favourite (theatre) film, it shouldn't be
surprising to note that, while it DID have a slightly different flavour than the
book, I enjoyed both about equally. Very rare, that.
--- Maximus 2.01wb
* Origin: Land of Ill Repute (1:163/214)
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Msg : 95 of 100
From : Starwolf 1:163/214 .îí 30 .êò 95 19:24
To : Michael Harper
Subj : Kubrik?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Odd, I distinctly recall hearing reports of his death. Fortunately, as you say,
they were exaggerated.
THE STARS MY DESTINATION? It'd be an OK film done right. One film which
couldn't help be really strange were they to do it would be MACROSCOPE by Piers
Anthony(?) It took me a few tries before I could really get into it far enough
to follow it. Weird stuff.
But my, unofficial, media dream is for them to do a 'where are they now' movie
wrapping up the TIME TUNNEL storyline. Yeah, a cheezy show, but I _did_ like it
and the design for the tunnel was impressive for a tv show. Pity some of the
actors are dead.
--- Maximus 2.01wb
* Origin: Land of Ill Repute (1:163/214)
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Msg : 96 of 100
From : Myranya Werlemann 2:283/1701 .òp 31 .êò 95 00:22
To : Judy Hayes
Subj : Personal Favorites.
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-=> Quoting Judy Hayes to Myranya Werlemann <=-
JH> Oh? Well, it's simple really. I'm joining KAI (Klingon Armada
JH> International) and that is my new Klingon name. Since I, basically,
JH> only post to Trek/SF echos I thought I'd go ahead and use it here.
Well... Pleasure to meet you. I got a Klingon character, K'Ehlysa,
but she's been a bit ignored, lately. On the nets I've been Kae
Myranya, Bajoran, and Natima, Cardassian, at Cons I've been using my
Trill character, Krystyne Vanix. And Ronald's got my head.
Do you have a head yet? I love these conversations. I remember at OKC
cons I used to attend, we'ld be sitting in a room somewhere and
someone would come in, look around, and ask if anyone's seen his/her
head, or something like, 'Did I leave my head in here, yesterday?'
JH> Well, there is a C in his first name, but he's certainly *not* a
JH> newbie and he should know better. They tell me that he does this type
JH> of thing fairly frequently though.
I *think* I just saw a message from him in the DS9 echo. It involved
a female dog and a monthly recurring hormone condition?
I would say that's probably the last thing we see of him if the Mods
are paying any attention. If they're not, that _is_ the same echo
that's got the Promenade Role-playing, and I just ordered a new
Compression Phaser Rifle to be delivered to my store. If you wanna
borrow it, drop by the petshop -if you call ahead I'll lock the
tribbles in the back room.
JH> I *definately* understand that problem. 'Though I only get to use the
JH> 'puter when I can pry it away from the kids and hubby....good thing I'm
JH> a fast typist.
Right. Maybe it would help if I were married or anything -at
least there'ld be someone to pull the plug on this thing every once
in a while. My kitty complains sometimes, but usually he's just
laying close or he'll come sit on my lap while I'm typing.
Well, I'm not gonna make this mezzy too long, haven't even downloaded
today's mail yet (and I was caught up so nicely a few days ago :-( )
Greetx,
Myranya.
... "Then maybe you'll need to break a few noses. Or at least bend a few."
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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Msg : 97 of 100
From : Frank Glover 1:2613/477 .òp 31 .êò 95 20:17
To : Gerry Normandeau
Subj : Re: Questions, but are t
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
GN>
GN> GN> Hyperspace is not the creation of a single author. It is a
GN> GN>sientific
GN> GN>theory dating back to I don't know when.
GN>
GN> NS> It is a science fiction convention; it is not scientific theory.
GN>
GN> Strange I could have sworn it was a theory? Oh well };>
GN>
Actually, it was a purely mathematical idea (specifically geometry and
topology) before SF, but lent itself well to FTL `jump' notions. It may or may
not have anything to do with the `real world.'
(But see `Indistinguishable From Magic' and other non-fiction works of Dr.
Robert L. Forward.)
Frank
--- QuickBBS 2.80 GoldBase (Zeta-1)
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Msg : 98 of 100
From : Frank Glover 1:2613/477 .òp 31 .êò 95 20:28
To : Brion Lienhart
Subj : Re: Q HEADING FOR VOYAGER
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
BL> So, what excuse are they going to use for Q not sending them back to
BL> Federation Space?
They really need one? Considering established Q behavior, leaving them in the
Gamma Quadrant's hardly out of character. (Remember Q sending the Enterprise-D
just two years travel out of Federation known space is how the troubles with the
Borg began....)
Frank
--- QuickBBS 2.80 GoldBase (Zeta-1)
* Origin: The Matrix Data Bank BBS, Rochester, Ny (1:2613/477)
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Msg : 99 of 100
From : Gary Warren 1:382/92 .òp 31 .êò 95 15:14
To : All
Subj : Chronology needed for KOLCHAK: THE NIGHT STALKER!
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: IMAIL-386 1.70+ PK32
* Crossposted from: Austin Local: Movies and Televison
I'm watching and taping eps of KOLCHAK: THE NIGHT STALKER which the
Sci-Fi Channel is running for its two-day "Kolchak Marathon." It occurs
to me that I've read some posts in a Fido echo or two saying there may be
a sequel planned to the series, one in which Kolchak (played in the
original series and TV movies by Darren McGavin) meets Mulder and
Sculley from the X-FILES. Is this just wishful thinking on some fans'
hearts, or is this (or any type of sequel) planned?
Also, I'm aware of the two ABC TV movies (one of which WAS titled THE
NIGHT STALKER) which preceeded the series. But the current Marathon is
airing two OTHER such movies which either ALSO came before the series or
were two-parter episodes. Is there anyone who knows the whole chronology
of the series and movies, starting from the first ABC late-night film THE
NIGHT STALKER (1973, I think)??
Thanks,
Gary L. Warren
... Drop your carrier ... we have you surrounded!
--- Blue Wave/Max v2.20 [NR]
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Msg : 100 of 100
From : Jim Cushing 1:123/569 .pä 01 Hîÿ 95 11:27
To : Michael Harper
Subj : Re: KUBRICK
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: GE 1.11+
MH> My dislike of Kubrick stems from his attitude toward actors and
MH> screenwriters, especially toward the latter. At one time I felt
MH> somewhat the way you do, but the hatchet job he did on "The Shining"
MH> soured me on him. King may be a hack, but at least he's honest about
MH> it; Kubrick thinks he's an artiste', and he's not even as good as
MH> King. Without the talents of writers, cinematographers, sfx techs and,
MH> yes, actors, Kubrick wouldn't even be the halfass hack excuse for a
MH> director that he is. The man's a hasbeen; file him away with Cimino,
MH> De Palma and all the other ex-champions. If I want to see the work of
MH> a master, I'll watch a film by Fred Zinnemann or John Huston. At least
MH> they're honest workmen who try to entertain you.
Michael you stated your dislike of Kubrick stems from his attitude towards
actors and screenwriters. What has he done to those actors and screewriters?
You mentioned one movie "The Shining" and one writer Stephen King! If you
think he is a halfass hack excuse for a director then you haven't watched
many of his movies.
Jim
... Captain, there be mail here!
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.12 [NR]
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Msg : 1 of 300
From : Bianca Wesslak 1:132/152 .pä 01 Hîÿ 95 23:33
To : Steven Wesen
Subj : Re: Red Dwarf
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
From a woman with an overactive imagination.
SW> @MSGID: 1:271/236 308772A1
SW> Signals catalog which is run by PBS they have 1-5 but the charge quite
SW> a
bit. There is a place in Richmond VA called Relm of fantasy which
SW> offers 1-6 and
the Blooper reels (avoid) and the American Pilot.
SW> Steve.
Thanks do you know how I could get in touch with them? Why should I avoid the
blooper reels?
thanks a bunch.
... Living Dead Dating Service: "Let us dig up somebody special."
--- Blue Wave v2.12 [NR]
* Origin: The Cereal Port BBS (OS/2) Rindge,NH 603-899-3335 (1:132/152)
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Msg : 2 of 300
From : Bianca Wesslak 1:132/152 .pä 01 Hîÿ 95 23:37
To : David Little
Subj : Red Dwarf / Time travel
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
From a woman with an overactive imagination.
DL> @MSGID: 1:106/7315.0 308f9fc4
DL> -=<( Darren Lovatt used the Jedi Mind Trick on me! )>=-
DL> No more than Star Trek has used time travel. I was upset when
DL> Lister didn't go ack and marry Kachanski!
I don't know whouldn't that have caused the same problems as the smeghead
when he populated a planet that he was stuck on for five hundred years. I
believe this was in series six.
... C:\DOS;\SYSTEM;\UTILITIES;\DOCS;\HELP;\WHERE;\THE;\HECK;\AM_I
--- Blue Wave v2.12 [NR]
* Origin: The Cereal Port BBS (OS/2) Rindge,NH 603-899-3335 (1:132/152)
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Msg : 3 of 300
From : Kay Shapero 1:102/524 .pä 01 Hîÿ 95 11:39
To : Beverley Cote
Subj : Vir Cotto
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On , Beverley Cote (1:134/32.9) wrote to The Raven:
BC>I think it was Vir who got the message through, from the families
BC>on the Narn homeworld, which allowed G'Kar to keep his leadership.
Sheridan gave that task to the rangers; exactly who did what is left unclear.
If it WAS Vir, we haven't been told yet. And I doubt it - but I think in future
he's going to get more involved on his own. I'd say that scene in the elevator
will have results.
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Msg : 4 of 300
From : Tony Trujillo 1:280/9 .pä 01 Hîÿ 95 06:47
To : Anne Hardcastle
Subj : Re: Bat villains
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: GE 1.11+
AH> Yea, the Joker rocks on TAS. I LOVE the show, though I think some of
AH> the newer episodes are not as dark. Have you ever noticed that it is
AH> almost never daytime (or if it is it is not sunny and blue skies)?
I guess villains only like to do their evil deeds under the
cloak of night...or at least partly cloudy skies! :^)
Speaking of "dark", I preferred the stories of the earlier
episodes because they did seem to have a very dark and
"gritty" feel to them. I guess they figured they better
lighten up (violence) the show since it was basically a
children's show after all! :^)
AH> I'm also am fond of Robin's cocky attitude. How can you not
AH> love somebody who rides around in the Batmobile with his feet
AH> up on the dashboard?
To be totally honest with you I haven't seen much of the
show since it was retitled THE ADVENTURES OF BATMAN AND
ROBIN. However, I do recall a scene where a villain told
Robin something to the effect of, "Should you be asleep,
young boy"...to which Robin replied, "Come over here and
we'll see who goes beddy-bye!" :^)
... "I am only an egg."
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Msg : 5 of 300
From : Tony Trujillo 1:280/9 .pä 01 Hîÿ 95 11:37
To : Todd Sullivan
Subj : Re: Bat villains
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: GE 1.11+
TS> Hmmm. Are you aware that Mark Hamill (Yes, Luke) is the Joker's voice?
TS> I about freaked when they showed a "Making of" special, and showing
TS> him as he did the voice recording. Wooo! Did he look manic.
I didn't realize it was Mark until I saw him in that same
special...and you're right...he did look quite freaky when
he was doing the voice over for The Joker. Maybe the lad has
finally gone over to the "dark side"! :^)
Speaking of STAR WARS, am I the only one who feels that
George isn't going to make good on his statement about
making a new set of movies by the end of this century?
... >> CTHULHU: YOU HAVE A FIEND IN THE UNDERWORLD BUSINESS <<
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Msg : 6 of 300
From : Tony Trujillo 1:280/9 .åò 02 Hîÿ 95 02:02
To : Beverley Cote
Subj : Re: Bat villains
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: GE 1.11+
KS>> BTW Its nice to see you around the net again! Are you going to
KS>> ConTraception?
TT>> I don't know if I'd really feel comfortable at a con with
TT>> a name like that! :^)
BC> It would be a lot more comfortable that one called ConCeption! :)
Bwahaha! :^)
Actually, I hear things can really get wild at
CONTRACEPTION...something about roaming bands of
cross dressers at the cabaret really makes me wonder
if I really want to attend this con! :^)
... me anomaly. "Bother!" said Pooh, as his starship encountered a time an
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Msg : 7 of 300
From : Todd Sullivan 1:202/720.3 .pä 01 Hîÿ 95 15:15
To : Brion Lienhart
Subj : Saab: The Invitro
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Whilst falling into the sun on 31 Oct 95, Brion Lienhart yelled to me:
BL> On Sat Oct 28, Todd Sullivan said to David Johnston:
-TS>> Can you imagine a robotic unit digging ditches without grinding to a
-TS>> halt from the dirt getting into its joints? Neither can I.
BL> Sure, it's called a Ditch Witch. You can rent them at any home rental
BL> center.
Yeah, I know; electrical contractors use 'em too.
What I meant was a true robotic, humanoid form that wouldn't break down as
opposed to the 'tanks'.
Todd Sullivan
... "I wrote a few children's books...not on purpose." -S. Wright
-*- ASTG 1.9
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Msg : 8 of 300
From : Todd Sullivan 1:202/720.3 .pä 01 Hîÿ 95 15:17
To : Starwolf
Subj : Kubrik?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Whilst falling into the sun on 30 Oct 95, Starwolf yelled to me:
S> I, too, generally don't care much for tv films made from books. There
S> WERE a few exceptions, though. While I'm not much of a fan of King's
S> works, his MISERY seemed to have been turned into a fairly good tv
S> movie.
S> And, since 2001 is my all-time favourite (theatre) film, it shouldn't be
S> surprising to note that, while it DID have a slightly different flavour
S> than the book, I enjoyed both about equally. Very rare, that.
Not surprising. The different "flavor" is due to the fact that you simply
*can't* take everything from the book and put it into a movie. Some things are
simply lost, or have to go because they're not "essential" to the story,
filmically speaking ( hmmm...how would that go?).
Todd Sullivan
... "Where are we?" --Arthur "Er... somewhere green." --Ford
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Msg : 9 of 300
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .pä 01 Hîÿ 95 23:34
To : TODD SULLIVAN
Subj : FAN CLUB GODIES/X-FILES!!
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> Whilst falling into the sun on 18 Oct 95, Nicolai Shapero yelled to
-> ROBERT LIDGREN:
->
-> NS> Posts to individuals and posts to ALL go to the same place. You
-> need NS> not post two otherwise identical messages to this conference
-> -- it just NS> increases the traffic...it does not increase the
-> signal level.
-> Probably another neophyte with an unhelpful sysop, Nicolai. Take it
-> easy.
-> Todd Sullivan
Hi Todd!
I haven't been on here for some time and when I did a search all I found
was your "reference" to some message I was sent. I never received that
message and I have not read it. When I looked for it the thing cannot
be accessed. I guess there is a "limit" to the amount of SFFAN
meassages kept here. Oh well, I get the "gist" of the message.
At any rate, thanks for the comment you sent to the moderator. I
certainly did not mean anything "evil" by it. I just assumed some
people search for their PERSONAL MESSAGES AND those addressed to "ALL."
That's why I posted it twice. No, I'm certainly not a
neophyte. Evidently I made an error re: "The Rules."
Fair enough. I just WISH I HAD BEEN SENT THE MESSAGE. Oh well, water
off a duck's back...
I have a new personal web page up and running.
It contains my listing of neat X-Files locations. Give it a whirl!
My Web Page address is: http://www2.logicnet.com/robert.lidgren
Cheers and all the best
and THANKS!
-Rob
Robert Lidgren
robert.lidgren@bbs.logicnet.com
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Msg : 10 of 300
From : John Richard 1:128/148 .åò 02 Hîÿ 95 16:40
To : Daniel Marr
Subj : Re: Star Wars I
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.45 7525
Daniel Marr is giving a speech on Star Wars I again
DM> Has anyone heard how George Lucas is doing on Star Wars episode
DM> I?
Well, I heard he finally succed on adding the Jabba the Hutt shots into
the first movie. Beyond that, I have no idea.
DM> I know that he was going to start work on it, and last I heard, it
DM> was suposed to be out in 1997. I have been seeing all sorts of adds
DM> for the re-released movies, and there are Star Wars toys out again. It
DM> seems like they are getting us prepared for the release of a new one.
It is still schuduled for 97. BTW the Re-Released movies are worth the
money, I was blown away by the sound quality and the crispness of the
film.
... "Someone's giving birth in the next tent." -- Tom Servo
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Msg : 11 of 300
From : Kevin Larson 1:350/33 .åò 02 Hîÿ 95 19:12
To : Mark Jones
Subj : War!
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-=>On 10-22-95 Mark Jones wrote this to Gerry Normandeau:<=-
MJ>Attacking someone with the intent to gain thereby is a perfectly
MJ>rational act. Attacking someone for no good reason may be
MJ>irrational--but very few wars are started for no good reason. The
MJ>combatants *always* have reasons.
Ya Its called *GREAD* !!
*Knight*
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Msg : 12 of 300
From : Gerry Normandeau 1:163/430 .åò 02 Hîÿ 95 03:45
To : Brion Lienhart
Subj : Re: Personal Favorites
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-=> On 10-29-95 19:37 Brion Lienhart ran Gerry Normandeau out of town because
-=> of Re: Personal Favorites!!! <=-
BL> Guess what, you're really wrong. 8-(;-)
BL> It was published by Chaosium in the early 80s. It was one
BL> of their Basic Roleplaying System games, and a lot of
BL> people didn't like it much.
AAARRRRRGGGG!! I stand corrected! Loads of thanks! };> I have never
played the game myself, but I realy like the idea. How was it compared
to the books?
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Msg : 13 of 300
From : Karmin St.jean 1:321/309 .ÿò 27 .êò 95 21:08
To : Brion Lienhart
Subj : Q HEADING FOR VOYAGER
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
===========================================================================
BBS: Final Approach BBS
Date: 10-29-95 (19:37) Number: 14171
From: BRION LIENHART Refer#: 5987
To: PATRICK LONG Recvd: NO
Subj: Q HEADING FOR VOYAGER Conf: (825) SFFAN
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
BL>So, what excuse are they going to use for Q not sending them back to Federat
BL>Space?
Probably the oldest excuse in the book. Q can see into the future and
knows that the Voyager crew has much good to do in the Delta Quadrant.
However, he'll tell them that he doesn't think they're worth the bother
and only the book version of the story will let the fans know the truth.
Q is like an older brother, he acts like a jerk and likes to tease and
torment, but its all done out of affection (mind you, he could kill any
of his playmates with a thought and up to "Deja Q" he had no experience
with pain so he had no way of knowing what it was he was inflicting on
people. And we're no better. How many times have we laughed at someone
being bitten by a bird on America's Funniest Home Videos?
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Msg : 14 of 300
From : Shawn Merrow 1:3407/14 .åò 09 Hîÿ 95 14:03
To : Anthony Van Deyl
Subj : Quickening effects
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> is it explained why the character is DUNCAN macleod and not CONNER?
-> anmd why is duncan the highlander, i thought conner was...
Duncan Macleod is related to Conner Macleod. The TV series is seperate
from the movies.
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Msg : 15 of 300
From : Frank Swarbrick 1:104/825 .pä 08 Hîÿ 95 07:35
To : All
Subj : SAAB
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 92-0022
I just now watched this last Sunday's episode of Space: Above and
Beyond, "Eyes." I've watched all the previous episodes and really
haven't been very impressed. This was really baffling, especially
concidering the executive producers are Glen Morgan and James Wong,
the writers of many of the best episodes of The X-Files.
Anyway, I must say that this episode was *very* good. For one thing,
it didn't really focus that much on the stars of the show. Which is
not to say that they weren't an intregal part of the show, just that
they weren't the sole focus. The show just seemed "bigger."
It was also a major "conspiracy" type episode. It reminded me a lot
of The X-Files as well as Babylon 5, both of which are big on
conspiracy stuff. In fact, parts of it were quite similar to the like
named episode of Babylon 5. Probably just coincidence, but still
interesting.
One major thing I hadn't liked up to this point was that it was much
too violent. Of course, it is supposed to be a war show, but I just
didn't like it. This episode had some gunplay still, but not just
people with machine guns blowing up everyone in sight.
Also had some good twists and turns.
And to think, I was concidering stopping watching the show before
seeing this episode. I'll give it another chance, and some of you
might want to do the same. Of course, next week's looks to be back to
the same ol' same ol', but who knows.
Frank
... Ignorance and prejudice - and fear - walk hand in hand.
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Msg : 16 of 300
From : Frank Glover 1:2613/477 .åò 09 Hîÿ 95 22:00
To : Steven Wesen
Subj : Re: Star Wars I
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
SW> They are still competion in the fact that some people can afford to
SW> go to one
SW> dollar movie a week and some will go for the genre they like most.
SW>
SW> Money is the root to all high budget special effect movies an example
SW> Star Trek the Motion Picture.(I rest my case)
SW>
SW> Star Wars may not have seriously attacked the TV screen but they can
SW> not afford for a STNG movie to go out at the same time as the next
SW> Star Wars film
SW> came out.
I don't know. Stargate and Star Trek Generations did okay at about the same
time. Such movies can expect to be shownfor several months. (Though I must admit
I only went to see the latter...)
On the other hand, I saw Star Trek: The Motion Picture and The Black Hole in
the same weekend, way back then.
Frank
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Msg : 17 of 300
From : Frank Glover 1:2613/477 .åò 09 Hîÿ 95 22:01
To : Mark Holtz
Subj : Re: Space Rangers
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
MH> Claudia Christian had a guest role in it?
She's also in a `Columbo' TV-movie on ABC as I write this....
Frank
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Msg : 18 of 300
From : Chris Ogniben 1:2604/568 .åò 09 Hîÿ 95 10:51
To : David Johnston
Subj : Re: Questions, But Are T
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
I don't find it possible that matter anti-matter reactor would
become a reality.. And, that our true future for space exploration
would be powered by such reactors.. I do see nuclear reactors to be the
main power for eletricity in space ships. And, large tanks of fuel to
burn for the engines.
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Msg : 19 of 300
From : Chris Ogniben 1:2604/568 .åò 09 Hîÿ 95 10:53
To : David Johnston
Subj : Q Heading For Voyager
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
I don't think Q is going to show up at all in star trek.. I mean,
there is no reason for him to be there. He seen all ready that area of
space.. Unless he didn't explore it.. I bet he is going to just test
the crew of voyager, than to bring them home.. Like, you gotta do this
and this and this, then i shall decide if i can bring you home. But, i
have a funny feeling that in the next new episode of voyager i seen.
That since Voyager is going to meet up with another array like the care
takers.. There might be a chance, that such an array would be able to
send them back.
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Msg : 20 of 300
From : Chris Ogniben 1:2604/568 .åò 09 Hîÿ 95 10:55
To : David Reffitt
Subj : Re: Vir Cotto
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
No way, i mean, Vir has made a oath of some sort.. No matter what
happens, he will not kill Londo.. I mean, i don't see it in any way
that Vir would be on G'Kar's side. But, did you see the episode where
Kosh came out of his body.. And everyone else seen what he looks like,
with a face, but, Londo didn't see anything.. Pretty soon Londo will
have suffered enough to kill himself.. I mean, he is pretty much alone
himself, and really see's how bad he is, working with the shadows.. So,
sooner or later Londo could get assinated by a Narin, or just fall into
a bliss of depression and take his own life.
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Msg : 21 of 300
From : Chris Ogniben 1:2604/568 .åò 09 Hîÿ 95 10:56
To : Brion Lienhart
Subj : Re: Saab: The Invitro
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Who said that robots would be throwing dirt around, to clam up it's
joints.. And who said that the robot would be designed to have vital
joints exsposed and not protected by the hard enviroment.
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Msg : 22 of 300
From : Chris Ogniben 1:2604/568 .åò 09 Hîÿ 95 10:57
To : Gary Warren
Subj : Chronology needed for KOL
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
I would just like to know what this Knight Stalker was about.. Sure
doesn't seem to be a sci fi show that i seen in my days. Which are
mostly the 70s 80s and 90s.
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Msg : 23 of 300
From : Chris Ogniben 1:2604/568 .åò 09 Hîÿ 95 10:59
To : Frank Glover
Subj : Re: Questions, but are t
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Most things that are science fiction.. Don't become part of the new
world.. Since, they are ideas way beyond human intelligence, to build
such wonders.. I think, in the future real space.. That most ships
would be powered by standard fuel and burning engines. And nuclear
reactor's for power.. And would be in control of the military. So, you
probably need to train and be in the military to go out in space.
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Msg : 24 of 300
From : Chris Ogniben 1:2604/568 .åò 09 Hîÿ 95 11:01
To : Frank Glover
Subj : Re: Q HEADING FOR VOYAGER
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
I still doubt that Q would show up.. I mean, if he does, it would be
very complicated.. Since, he has the ability to bring voyager back..
With the flip of fingers.. And, he won't do it because of his ego.. I
just don't see the new Q, the Q that learned a lot during the years he
fiddled with the enterprise d crew. To be someone that would do the
same again with voyager, which is in a desperate situation to go home.
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Msg : 25 of 300
From : Chris Ogniben 1:2604/568 .åò 09 Hîÿ 95 11:02
To : Mason Bliss
Subj : Nowhere Man - Bellamy
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
I havn't seen NowWhere Man.. But, i heared from friends that this
series is a joke.. and sucks.. And i don't beleive another echo to put
no where man fans into it.. Is a good idea.. Since, we need to know
exactly how many people like this series.. Now, when you speak of
STRANGE LUCK.. That is a different story.. Since, i watched that, and
that series is very successful and great.
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Msg : 26 of 300
From : Chris Ogniben 1:2604/568 .åò 09 Hîÿ 95 11:04
To : Jon Helis
Subj : Re: The Long Twilight Sp
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
You people don't remember the purpose that Babylon 4 was taken, to be
used for? It was taken by futurstic beings, of Delenn and Sinclair to
fight a future war. And Babylon 4 is a station base, or military base
of operations to fight this war.
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Msg : 27 of 300
From : Chris Ogniben 1:2604/568 .åò 09 Hîÿ 95 11:06
To : Jon Helis
Subj : Re: Vir Cotto
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
There i no doubt, that Vir could either help G'Kar or just stay
loyal to Londo. But, Londo doesn't owe the Shadow's anything.. Since
the Shadow's are using Londo to do what they want.. And that is to
destroy the rest of the lives of many other races. And, Londo is just
making it easier for them to do this, without showing themselves to all
that they exist.
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Msg : 28 of 300
From : Steven Wesen 1:271/236 .ÿò 10 Hîÿ 95 08:01
To : Greg McNeil
Subj : Re: sex in sf!
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: GE 1.11+
There is good Science Fiction and there are the videos that they are renting .
Why is it so hard for people to understand that most cheap Science Fiction shows
are trying to make a buck to make another shlock film in either horror or
Science Fiction.
You have a choice so avoid those films and rent Star Wars or Star Trek and avoid
the shlock but don't expect the market to revolve around the prudish.
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Msg : 29 of 300
From : Frank Swarbrick 1:104/825 .åò 09 Hîÿ 95 10:05
To : Ritchie Funk
Subj : Nowhere Man
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 92-0022
On 11-07-95 11:12 Ritchie Funk, the thief who couldn't sleep, said:
RF> Are there any Nowhere Man fans out there? This is an awesome show. I
RF> strongly hope this show does not get cancelled. Does any one have a
RF> list of episode titles?
I'm a fan. Haven't missed an episode yet, and I'm also recording
them. My favorite episode is "Something About Her," the one where
Veil was put in a virtual reality type thing and lived another life.
Here's a list of episode titles:
NOWHERE MAN
~~~~~~~~~~~
Ep#. Air Date Episode Title
==== ============ ================================
1. Aug 28, 1995 "Absolute Zero" [90 minutes]
2. Sep 4, 1995 "Turnabout"
3. Sep 11, 1995 "The Incredible Derek"
4. Sep 18, 1995 "Something About Her"
5. Sep 25, 1995 "Paradise On Your Doorstep"
6. Oct 9, 1995 "The Spider Webb"
7. Oct 23, 1995 "A Rough Whimper of Insanity"
8. Oct 30, 1995 "The Alpha Spike"
9. Nov 6, 1995 "You Really Got a Hold Me"
Frank
... We've got to get in to get out..
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Msg : 30 of 300
From : Myra I Fox 1:123/10 .ÿò 10 Hîÿ 95 09:59
To : Piotr W. Cholewa
Subj : Tom Holt
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-=>Quoting Piotr W. Cholewa to Myra I Fox<=-
PWC> IMHO one of Discworld novels' advantages is that they are
PWC> NOT a series. They are simply stories set up in the same world
PWC> (Disc...). In the same way all mainstream literature is set up in the
PWC> same world, meaning ours. bye
I am glad you said that... at one time I took a lot of teasing because
of the order I read the Disc world books . I just read them as I
could find them. I have not read "Lords and Ladies" yet but I saw it
in a bookstore last weekend. Maybe next payday I can pick it up.
I think that "Guards! Guards!" was one of my favorites for some
reason... do you have one you especially liked?
... Paint it Octarine: the color of magic.
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Msg : 31 of 300
From : Judy Hayes 1:154/40 .ÿò 10 Hîÿ 95 18:33
To : Sean Anderson
Subj : Re: Forever Knight
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
->Quoshara reminising about being SWAN, heard Sean say:
SA> I just saw the premier of a new season of "Forever Knight" on
SA> CKTV. Half the supporting cast is gone. I couldn't believe it.
SA> Well, no mater what, it is a great show!!!
Yeah, I was kind of dissappointed that Skancke left but I'm really starting
to like the new supporting cast....especially the new vampires.
--Quoshara
... Rats! I lost all my vampire taglines when BlueWave went down.
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Msg : 32 of 300
From : Dean Sweatman 1:396/89 .óá 11 Hîÿ 95 08:12
To : Sam James
Subj : Coast-Con jr discussion
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
This is a re-posting of lost mail due to a server/hub being down
here in the New Orleans area. If the original does finally pop
up out of the log-jam some time in the future please forgive
this dupe.
Ä Area: F_SFFAN ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Msg#: 1266 Date: 11-09-95 18:55
From: Dean Sweatman Read: Yes Replied: No
To: Sam James Mark:
Subj: Coast Con Jr
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
First Thanks to Sam James for franking John's comments into this
fourm. When we have access to the con-com types it is easier to
smooth over the problems that occur even at the best run
conventions and events.
> From : SAM JAMES
> To : DEAN SWEATMAN
> Subj : Re: Coast Con jr
> Numb : 427 of 429 Date : 11/08/95 12:15am
> Read : 11/09/95 11:45am Reference : NONE
> Conf : 322 - S_F_FANDOM_FIDO Private : NO
> Message from John Kinberg.
> I have been attending and working with conventions since 1983. As a
> past and present member of the Coast Con committe, I'd like to say
> that your opinion is valued.
I was active in New Orleans Fandom for a number of years between
1965 and 1975 and have re-entered a semi-active mode since 1993.
So I am not some NEO still wet behind the ears, Just an old
Phart stuck in the '60s, one might say , who has a growl much
worse than his bite.
> There were some problems with Junior this
> year, but on the whole, everyone seemed to have a good time.
A rather broad statment there son, care to think about this a
sec. There are at least 2 users on Fido that have complained
that the con did not live up to expectations & was over priced.
A small percentage to be sure, but vocal.
> I also showed up around noon Saturday expecting to do setup,
> and get a few things prepped before launching the convention.
> I also was surprised to find that the convention began that
> morning.
Well If the con-com can't even get it straight where does that
leave us? Information needs to be gotten out to the Fen that you
expect to pay your expenses. When there is a failier of this
type it does not bode well with those on the outside looking in.
> Advertising was poor. I am responsible for that. Advertising
> was not allotted much money, and through pure luck, I was able
> to swing a deal with a local radio station that got us some
> extra publicity. Any fault with advertising is PURELY
> MY FAULT!
It is good to see that someone is willing to belly up to the bar
and admit to the problems of a convention, it earns you a bit
more respect in my book at least.
Advertising doesn't always have to cost a lot of money. Here
on the Fido you could have run a string of messages on the
convention that would have brought about an awareness to the
local users that read this echo on a daily basis. The SF lit
echo and Filk Echo could be used to gain further awarness and
distribute information about the convention at very little cost
to the con-com. Outside of Fido there are the Inter-net SF
fourms/News groups, Web pages and other resources. In the New
Orleans Region there is the Fandom Is A way Of Life Networked
Discussion Sub (Available on the Gulf Coast From Atrocity
Exhibition BBS (601-533-6064). Most of these resources are
ignored by the regional conventions and it is a pity as they
could promote con awarness and goodwill before, during and after
the event. The really bad thing about using them is that you
have to USE THEM. Get yourself someone that knows HOW to use all
the nets on the con-com, you might get much more information out
to the fen than you ever dreamed possible.
> The hospitallity room, on the other hand I take note with. It was
> sponsored by a new Fan Club in the area called "Creative Destruction."
> We, as a club put up $150.00 of our own money for food. Coast Con put
> up $100.00 for drinks. Sure, we didn't come close to Cresent City Con,
> but we as a club also didn't have several hundred dollars to put behind
> the effort. My roomate, and founder of Creative Destruction, John
> Kelly, put HIS OWN money out of his final paycheck before being laid off
> from work to make this thing work, and we are sorry that people were not
> satisfied with the results.
I did not mean to disparage the efforts of "CD" and was only
commenting on the room in general compared to other conventions
in the region. Hospitallity is the most Thankless job at a con
and is singled out unfairly many times (as might have been the
case here as I was unaware that the Club rather than the con was
running the room). From what I saw it was run as well an most
of the other suites I had been to this past year with a lot less
trouble. (you didn't have the Con-Com person in charge of the
room quit within hours of the opening of the con as happened at
both the NOSFFF and CCC here in New Orleans this summer)
> We had hoped to find more people at the
> convention interested in participating IN A LOCAL SCI FI BASED FAN
> CLUB. Unfortunately, little intertest was found. Such a shame since fan
> clubs are the backbone of fandom. It seems that all anybody wants to do
> anymore is game and complain. I'm not getting on to you about this.
> Your comments are welcomed. It's just that nobody want's to get involved
> in putting these cons on, and doing things through the year. Just at
> con time.
Amen and Amen. Truth be told. I have experenced the same thing
here in the New Orleans area. The Social foundation of Fandom
had cracked and there are very few people willing try to do
anything to repair the damage. When a fan social is announced
it is ignored and goes unsupported to the extent that many of
the few willing to try to do something wash their hands of
Fandom and seek out the mundane side of life. A pity but it was
rather strongly shown to me that the mundanes can be much more
fannish at times than the heartiest of the tru-fen during Coast
Con jr.
> Coast Con Jr was origionally intended to be a reason for the
> membership to come to a midyear general membership meeting. Before Jr,
> the largest one I attended since '83 had about 10 people in attendance
> other than the con committee. Things have not changed very much, this
> committe meeting we had at JR had about 8-10 people there who were not
> committe.
This is information to me. It wasn't born out by the
advertising nor was it made clear that the Coast-Con General
Membership meeting was important. Being stuck at the end of the
con as it was at Coast Con 18 in April and again at jr is not
the place to put a featured event. We can discuss this later in
more detail and touch on some other programing foo-pahs as well.
> COMPLAIN, SCREAM, HOLLER, RANT, RAVE, ECT, but please take
> the time to realize that the only way for things to improve with Coast
> Con or any con is or the members to get involved throughout the year. We
> love the volunteers we get at con time. But you have to realize that
> we do this 12 months out of the year with little compensation (ie:
> repayment for stamps and phone charges). It really stinks thinking what
> kind of mileage I've put on my car in the past 6 months in dealing with
> Coast Con activities. BUT IT'S WORTH EVERY CENT!!!!!! It thrills me to
> no end to hear somebody say that despite a few complaints they got a
> charge out of one or two things we worked to bring them.
Hey THAT is what Fandom is all about, The pink fuzzies from the
shared joys, and yes it is worth all the work and efforts that
you expend.
> What this all boils down to is this: Complaints we welcome. Advice we
> really appreciate. Help we LOVE! But indifference, or no input upsets
> all of those of us that work real hard to bring you a convention.
Ain't that the truth. The problem is that few feel that their
input is welcomed by the Con-coms and have given up on finding
ways that they can express themselves. Use of The FIAWOL Sub
here in New Orleans is mostly by those few that have yet to have
gotten into the active side of Fandom other than attending a
convention or two from time to time and don't know the other
joys that the purely social side of fandom can foster. If you
are with-in the free call area of Atrocity Give Jeff a call and
see about getting on to FIAWOL so that we don't have to
broadcast this discussion to the world. If you are not in the
free calling area then check and see if there is as board
inbetween that would be interested in carrying the sub to allow
you access. Your input there would be welcomed and The
information about convention planning meetings would be of
interest to all of us.
> You
> mentioned Robert Neagle. Sure Robert can be a little over powering at
> times, but you have to realize something. Fandom is his life. It's
> mine too. I gave up a marriage because my mundane wife couldn't cope
> with my second love, fan life.
Been There, Done Than, got a divorce after 23 years of marrage
to a non fan that forced a 18 year term of Fafia upon me. She
got tired of trying to reform my fannish ways.
As to Robert ... What can I say, Yes he is a tru-fan, Is he the
black sheep that the stories would have you believe? I don't
know but I do see a lot of his and the Porno-Patrol's hand in the
region which to some people means that they are not interested
in supporting the events. I have no problem working with Robert
or anyone else in the promotion of Fandom and the Fannish
lifestyle and am a loose cannon and will proudly remain so.
I'll work with anyone than can show me that they are interested
in the return of Active and Social Fandom a region that has
become stagnet with the Fandom Is Just A G/D Hobby mentality.
> That may not have been the right answer,
> but it's in my blood, as I see it's in yours. So, I'm charging you to
> help give everybody a transfusion. Keep the comments comming, we welcome
> it. But get involved! The next committee meeting is this Sunday in New
> Orleans. I'll try and post details. If for some reason I can't, I'll
> post what happens.
I'd be interested in seeing what is going on and look forward to
getting more information as to when and where. If my megar
efforts help get the blood flowing then I am happy.
> The next meeting in December will be at our new host
> hotel, The Broadwater Tower. That's right, a larger hotel for even more
> activities including what goes on at the convention center! We're
> growing again at Coast Con, but we're getting anemic with little help
> from the membership. This is your convention too. Not mine, not Frank's,
> not Robert's, not the kid that plays AD&D for 72 hours strait at con.
> It's all of ours!
> Now in closing, I would invite anybody out there to write me or
> another one of our committe members online and ask them what you can
> do to help out. We desperately need you to give us a hand in any way you
> can. It's not the toughest job in the world, and the pay is low. But
> come next con when you see everything come together, it's payment
> enough.
> Thanks for listening.
> John Kinberg
> Coast Con 19 5th Member at Large
> Dealer's Room Director
> PS: Creative Destruction is a new Gulf Coast Fan Club open to
> everyone.
> Membership is free, and we want to advance fandom in the area. Look
> for more info online at a BBS near you. It will be posted by me or
> by my infamous alter ego "Beach Bum."
>
> ! Origin: The Galactic Gobbler - OH My (1:3604/28.0)
>
I will be cross posting this reply and anything else of interest
that I find into the Fiawol Sub for further distribution.
Contact Jeff if you can and join in the fun as we would like to
have someone else in the group with the FIAWOL spirit. Thanks
for writting.
Fiawol
... Kent Allard in his continuing & relentless quest toward Fugheadedness.
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Msg : 33 of 300
From : Earl Green 1:3822/1 .óá 11 Hîÿ 95 14:48
To : All
Subj : THE NEWS
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
This message was from ROBERT PARSON to EARL GREEN,
and was forwarded to you by EARL GREEN.
-------------------------
Confirmation came a bit quicker than I thought it might:
---
Second Science Fiction and Fan
Category 18, Topic 1
Message 789 Fri Nov 10, 1995
STRACZYNSKI [Joe] at 01:07 EST
Peter and Andreas trade off who gets the last actor card, by contract.
Yes, TNT has acquired the rerun rights to B5. What that means is that
when the show is over, they then pay the agreed upon fee for x-amount of time,
per episode. So they don't *own* them yet; that'll happen when the show is
over, which triggers the contracted fee.
It's good in some ways, but for me as a writer, any cable sale is a huge
loss, because of the way our wonderful Writers Guild handles cable vs.
syndication residuals. For instance...in broadcast syndication, one of my
Murder, She Wrote episodes *would* bring in a first-time off network residual
fee of about $15,000. (It goes down a bit consistently from that point on.)
In cable, the fee is a flat one-time percentage of the overall
payment...which, in the M,SW case, means my first-time off network residual
is...$25.
The only other point of concern is that both sides would tend to view 88
episodes, 4 years, as a "full package." That's 22 short.
jms
------------
Couple other notes: The package with TNT might also include Brisco County,
Lois and Clark, and another which escapes me at the moment.
Robert (tm)
... Earl, are you pondering what I'm pondering...?
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Msg : 34 of 300
From : Jeff Hancock 1:3600/7 .åò 09 Hîÿ 95 00:09
To : Anthony Van Deyl
Subj : Movies and shows
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
AVD>Babylon 5 is ok...but it makes me feel like its a TNG type ideal society
HAH hah hah haaaaaha ha!
Sure, once the Night Watch gets through with it... depending on your
definition of "ideal". HA!
-=-
* Crazy-J * "Those three dots keep following me..." -Paranoid Tagline
--- SLMAIL v3.5C (#1540)
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Msg : 35 of 300
From : Jon Helis 1:396/89 .åò 09 Hîÿ 95 05:21
To : Phill Ash
Subj : Re: The Long Twilight Sp
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-=> Quoting Phill Ash to Jon Helis <=-
JH> it. One man controlling all this technology, somewhat reminiscent of
JH> Forbidden Planet, isn't it?
PA> And only that???!!!
PA> The "catwalk" scene was lifted directly from FP
FP is one my favorite all time films, and I didn't even think of
that. I wonder if Draal is ever going to consider releasing the
knowlege of that world to anyone, like the evil genius of
FP wanted to do. Might be interesting.
... This is rich! 'Bad Command Or Filename' -Tom Servo using a PC
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Msg : 36 of 300
From : Jon Helis 1:396/89 .åò 09 Hîÿ 95 05:23
To : Chris Ogniben
Subj : Re: The Long Twilight Sp
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-=> Quoting Chris Ogniben to Jon Helis <=-
CO>
CO> You people don't remember the purpose that Babylon 4 was taken, to
CO> be used for? It was taken by futurstic beings, of Delenn and Sinclair
CO> to fight a future war. And Babylon 4 is a station base, or military
CO> base of operations to fight this war.
Futuristic beings? What would you call the people that live on
the planet below B5? I consider that technology to be quite
futuristic.
I remember it was taken to fight a war, but what war was that?
Do we know for sure? It may be the Shadow war. We will see.
... "We will see... what we will see." - Delenn
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Msg : 37 of 300
From : Jon Helis 1:396/89 .åò 09 Hîÿ 95 05:31
To : Chris Ogniben
Subj : Re: Vir Cotto
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-=> Quoting Chris Ogniben to Jon Helis <=-
CO> There i no doubt, that Vir could either help G'Kar or just stay
CO> loyal to Londo. But, Londo doesn't owe the Shadow's anything.. Since
CO> the Shadow's are using Londo to do what they want.. And that is to
CO> destroy the rest of the lives of many other races. And, Londo is just
CO> making it easier for them to do this, without showing themselves to
CO> all that they exist.
I think that he will provide some form of help to G'Kar, even if
it's just "keeping his ears open" and passing on any good
information to him. His resentment of what Londo has done would
be a good motive for him to do such a thing.
Londo has gone from being a bufoon in the first season to being
a monster in the second, he may become another person in the
third. His severing his ties with the Shadows, and his fear of
the Shadows knowing what they can do, may make him become
something else. He may not turn around, but something will
happen to change him. It will be interesting.
... "We will see... what we will see." - Delenn
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Msg : 38 of 300
From : Jon Helis 1:396/89 .åò 09 Hîÿ 95 05:56
To : David Durgee
Subj : Re: B5: the fall of night
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-=> Quoting David Durgee to Michael Harper <=-
DD> In a message dated 11-0495, Michael Harper said to All:
DD> I agree that the episode was well done. I was not surprised in general
DD> at Kosh's appearance, although they did ring in one unexpected nuance
DD> for me. I'm wondering about Londo's remark about seeing nothing. Was he
DD> lying or telling the truth? I hope we will have the answer to that in
DD> following episodes.
I remember in the Star Trek episode "Day of the Dove," Kirk
tells a Klingon named Kang to "Go to the devil," and Kang
responds by saying something like "Klingon religion has no
devil." That's one theory.
A theory I subscribe to is that he's been so engulfed by the
darkness off dealing with the Shadows that he can't see the
light side. Anyone else have an opinion?
... If this ever happens again Ivanova will personally rip your lungs out.
--- FMail/386 1.02
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Msg : 39 of 300
From : Jon Helis 1:396/89 .åò 09 Hîÿ 95 06:06
To : American Werewolf
Subj : Re: Doctor Who on FOX?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-=> Quoting American Werewolf to John Dziadek <=-
AW> John Dziadek is giving a speech on Doctor Who on FOX? again
JD> Does anyone here know if FOX will still be doing a 2
JD> hour tv movie of Doctor Who & follow it up with a new
JD> series? Any replies (of a non facetious nature) are
JD> appreciated.
AW> God, that would be great. I havn't really had any good SciFi to watch
AW> since TNG went into reruns. I wonder whom the new Doc will be and if
AW> they plan to bring the old villians back into the series to remember a crazy old chinaman and his pet, a giant rat. Would love
AW> to see those characters return>.
Without any good Sci-fi to watch, is Babylon 5 available in your
area? If you're not sure, let me know where you are, I have a
list of all stations in the country carrying it right now. It
is a very different type of show compared to the sci-fi most of
us are used to. It doesn't use all the technospeak that Trek
and it's various incarnations use, just good stories, good
science fiction. Give it a try, please. If you have web
access, visit the Lurker's Guide to Babylon 5 at
http://www.hyperion.com.
Later...
Jon
... Babylon Five: the Best in Television
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Msg : 40 of 300
From : Ml Sands 1:132/130 .óá 11 Hîÿ 95 02:36
To : All
Subj : In general
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Hello. I hope that I am not intruding; you see, I've noticed the
posts concerning "Questions, but are they rhetorical?" - and I must admit
to being the one who brought up that subject line. At the time, it seemed
like a good idea; many of the postings were arguments over B_5 vs ST,
and maybe I could get a conversation going. I guess it sort of backfired.
Instead of starting some wide-ranging dialog on space travel, all it
created was some minor disagreements on the exact amount of fuel required.
I apologize.
Another subject on this forum has been the legal/economic status
of the invtroes on SAAB. I think that subject soured pretty fast. In
fact it seems monstrous that a few posts were rationalizing "good"
reasons for slavery. slavery SLAVERY
Even if these invitroes were no more human than Phillip Dick's androids,
that is still 100% more human than the person who would presume to own
ANY sentient entity; whether mechanical or genetically engineered.
I quit.
--- GEcho 1.00
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Msg : 41 of 300
From : Nicole Wilson 1:271/266 .óá 11 Hîÿ 95 02:00
To : Teresa Beacher
Subj : EARTH 2
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
TB> Does anyone know if if the Doctor in Earth 2 played Pilot in Captain
TB> Power.
A few weeks after Earth 2 premiered I read a interview with Jessica
Steen.(I have it here somewhere, If I find it I'll type it and send it
to you, or at least a list of her credits so far.)
Here is a very short list from memory; (I know there is more)
Jessica Steen has been on "Homefront" on the American Broadcasting
Corporation (ABC) in 1990-1993 as Laura Metcalf a civil rights advocate.
(Set in the 40's I think.)
She was also (duh) on Earth 2 in '94-'95 on NBC as (in the pilot, I
was told) "Dr. Julia Stern" and in all following episodes as
"Dr. Julia Heller".
To answer your question, Yes, I believe she did say she was in a
children's show in Ontario called (I think) Captain Power.
(However I could be wrong as It's been _months_ since I read that
interview.)
P.S. what does 3 in the (3:000/000) stand for?
(a.k.a. what country do you live in?)
Ttyl, Nicole Wilson
---
þ OLX 2.2 þ The Counsil will stop at nothing to take control.
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Msg : 42 of 300
From : Richard Sarner 1:271/236 .óá 11 Hîÿ 95 09:42
To : Anthony Van Deyl
Subj : Re: Quickening effects
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: GE 1.11+
Whilst falling into the sun on 04 Nov 95, Anthony Van Deyl yelled to us:
AVD> is it explained why the character is DUNCAN macleod and not CONNER?
AVD> anmd why is duncan the highlander, i thought conner was...
The series was to center around Connor, but Christopher Lambert declined to to
do the show. The producers wanted to keep the concept, but the character Connor
was in the movies, so Duncan was created.
...Richard
--- GEcho 1.11+
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Msg : 43 of 300
From : Starwolf 1:163/214 .óá 11 Hîÿ 95 01:39
To : Michael Harper
Subj : Time Tunnel
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Yah, the Tunnel set was impressive, even with those cheezy Irwin Allen
blinky-winkies(tm) everywhere.
I think one of the Tunnel control staff actors is dead, possibly more. Lee
Meriwether is still alive, I think. Good luck on the digitally remastered,
though. And for the tvm. I'm hoping, too, but, thus far, the only one of his
shows anyone seems to have been semi-serious about doing is LAND OF THE GIANTS -
possibly his weakest offering.
Still, the tvm taking up where THE INVADERS series left off is a promising
advent. Catch it Sunday and Tuesday evenings.
--- Maximus 2.01wb
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Msg : 44 of 300
From : Owen E. Oulton 1:243/45 .óá 11 Hîÿ 95 12:50
To : Anthony Van Deyl
Subj : books
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
NS>The Demolished Man, by Bester
NS>The Stars by Destination, by Bester
AVD> isnt the stars my destination an anthology of sci-fi?
AVD> i thought it had a few short stories in it.
Nope. It's a novel, one of the few Bester has ever written. Most of Bester's
work is short fiction, but the two Nicolai mentioned are novels.
CFN, O
--- Maximus 2.01wb
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Msg : 45 of 300
From : Dustin Toews 1:153/758 .ÿò 10 Hîÿ 95 15:17
To : Boris CDuke
Subj : Re: test
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-=> Quoting Boris CDuke to All <=-
BC> AREA:SFFAN
BC> Hi All!
BC> Sombody from 1st zone please send me this message back via INTERNET
BC> to: boris@sfclub.freenet.kiev.ua.
BC> Thanx
BC> Bestest, Boris
BC> ! Origin: Imagineering (2:463/2.22)
BC> SEEN!BY: 1/201 10/8 11/157 13/13 75 100/525 104/821 105/69 103 330
BC> 106/2000 SEEN!BY: 106/7645 107/411 941 115/2 120/229 123/1 16 129/11
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BC> 3615/50 3619/25 3629/101 3637/1 3653/777 3805/3
Eh dude.. How are things man.. Just a test eh? Well.. I'm replying to it!
DEMON!
... A feature is a bug with seniority.
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Msg : 46 of 300
From : Mrs. Bashir 1:229/610 .åò 09 Hîÿ 95 12:00
To : Ritchie Funk
Subj : Re: Dr. Bashir name change
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
I could have told you that!!
Sam..
--- CNet/3
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Msg : 47 of 300
From : Mrs. Bashir 1:229/610 .ÿò 10 Hîÿ 95 10:55
To : American Werewolf
Subj : Re: Dr. Bashir name change
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
First that should be SPINER and second, everyone at the Doctor's Exchange love
his real name and can say it! I haven't been there long but maybe Sid gave
everyone lessons on how to pronounce it!
Sam..
--- CNet/3
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Msg : 48 of 300
From : Anne Hardcastle 1:393/7 .óá 11 Hîÿ 95 20:46
To : Todd Sullivan
Subj : Re: Casting Pern
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Hey, is this just idle speculation or has somebody in Hollywood started to
actually think about this?
--- CNet/3
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Msg : 49 of 300
From : Derek Wakefield 1:393/7 .cê 12 Hîÿ 95 01:42
To : Chris Carter
Subj : Re: B5 -- Coincidence?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
CC> Actually, JMS has, when asked about an anime, commented that he has
CC> seen essentially no anime whatsoever. As for lifting plots from
CC> anime, you may want to ask yourself where the anime you're referring
CC> to lifted its plots.
I seem to remember George Lucas saying the same thing, yet there are still
numerous reports that exist to this day stating that he was in Japan around the
time that Yamato I first aired. Then when Lucas sued Larson for ripping off
Star Wars with Galactica, Larson asked Nishizaki for a letter stating that it
was Yamato that Galactica attempted to emulate...not SW (this came out in an
interview with Nishizaki in a national Anime magazine article earlier this
year).
I won't doubt there are a lot of anime shows that lift plotlines from American
and European shows. Yamato in fact lifts a number of it's basic plotlines from
naval history (some of which in that the BB Yamato participated). However, in
light of how weak the copyright agreements are between Japan and America, it's
not too suprising that plotlines tend to be snitched on both sides of the
Pacific.
In Star Blazers 2: The Comet Empire, we saw one of the first rainbow warp
effects, and there was this scene in which the Star Force mutinies, steals the
ship, and the EDF sends out it's latest and greatest new Space Battleship, the
Andromeda to chase her down. This was done in 1978, and seen here in 79. In
Star Trek TMP, we saw the Enterprise using a rainbow warp effect, and a few
years later, in Star Trek 3, we had the crew mutiny, steal the ship, and the UFP
sent out their latest and greatest Space Battleship, the Excelsior, to chase it
down.
Similaries again...hmm. Going into TNG, there are yet more similarities, but
they are much more subtile, and may be looked upon as in-jokes for those Yamato
fans of us out there.
--- CNet/3
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Msg : 50 of 300
From : Paul Manson 1:229/15 .óá 11 Hîÿ 95 00:23
To : All
Subj : I NEED HELP FTP SITE
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Apologies for posting this message to most of the Trek/B5 conferences
and news groups but I wanted the widest possible distribution in order
to try and solve my problem.
I am looking for some good-hearted soul who has access to an Internet
FTP site or a WWW page who will keep current copies of Earl Green's
Logbook.
The current editions are STLB1095.zip and LBMI1095.zip.
I know they are available from BBS's in area codes
205, 214, 310, 407, 414, 501, 513, 609, 613, 802, and 916
I also know that Chris Bray has the log books on his www page but:
1. Earl announced the release of 1095 more than a week ago and they
have yet to appear on Chris' page, and
2. Chris doesn't keep the zip files. He stores each file as a separate
page.
If you are in a city where one of the following BBS's is located and
have access to an internet FTP site, would you please help.
I figure that I am paying alot of money for my Internet access and
therefore shoudl be able to access the files without incurring
additional long distance charges.
The file names are:
Filename: STLB1095.ZIP
File size: 325,494 bytes
Filename: LBMI1095.ZIP
File size: 177,273 bytes
North American distribution sites (in order of area code):
Federation Space (205) 361-6140 1:375/64 300-2400
Arsenal of Freedom (214) 271-5410 1:124/9006 9600-28.8 DUAL
West Los Angeles BBS (310) 838-9229 1:102/635 28.8 V.FC,V42b,V32b
AmiTrek BBS (407) 348-3365 1:3633/1701 2400-28.8 V.34 DUAL
Graphics Clipper (414) 284-6108 1:154/284 9600-28.8
Jackalope Junction (501) 785-5381 1:3822/1 2400-28.8 V.34 DUAL
The Dead Zone (513) 521-0705 1:108/430 28.8 V.FC,V42b,V32b
Klingon SoftWare Labs/BBS (609) 662-2878 1:266/102 28.8 V.FC,V42b,V32b
Baroque BBS (613) 634-6064 1:249/121 2400-28.8 VFC
Procyon (802) 626-1091 1:325/810 300-14.4
Deep Space Franchise (916) 721-1701 1:203/1701.0 1200-14.4 v32
Australian distribution site:
Gallifrey (02) 820-7624 3:713/910 up to 14.4 v32
United Kingdom distribution site:
USS Bear +44 151 637-1461 2:250/209 300-14.4 (21.6HST)
[local: (0151) 637-1461]
Please help.
Thanks
Paul S. Manson
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Msg : 51 of 300
From : Ken Mayes 1:393/7 .cê 12 Hîÿ 95 09:22
To : Chris Carter
Subj : Re: B5 -- Coincidence?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On Fri 10-Nov-1995 7:00p, Chris Carter wrote:
CC> Actually, JMS has, when asked about an anime, commented that he has
CC> seen essentially no anime whatsoever. As for lifting plots from
CC> anime, you may want to ask yourself where the anime you're referring
CC> to lifted its plots.
Actually, Yamato was essentially a science fiction rendition of World
War II with the ending changed around a bit (so that the Japanese/our heroes
would win). The story in question was lifted from an actual battle in World War
II which took place in China if I'm not mistaken on the Yang Tse river. The
point I was trying to make was that as a science fiction story, Yamato did it
first, and did it better.
And I've heard the declarations from some quarters that Yamato was a
simple rip of Star Wars. That is blatantly untrue as Yamato pre-dated Star Wars
by three years. Even Trek has lifted or coincidentally used ideas which were
first used in Yamato...one or two coincidences I could write off but when show
after show, Bab-5, Trek, Space, Star Wars, continue to lift those plots and plot
elements so consistently, I start to wonder.
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Msg : 52 of 300
From : Kay Shapero 1:102/524 .óá 11 Hîÿ 95 13:39
To : Ken Mayes
Subj : Re: B5 -- Coincidence?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On , Ken Mayes (1:393/7@fido) wrote to Kay Shapero:
KM>Which ending would that be? The Arrivaderci ending where Theresa
KM>converts the Yamato into anti-matter and Kodai rams Zordar's
KM>dreadnaught? Or the Final Yamato ending where Okita fires the
KM>super-charged wave-gun into the Planet Aquarius, ripping the
KM>Yamato apart in the process and then going down with the ship as
KM>she sinks into the blue seas of Aquarius?
KM>
Either of 'em would do. :->
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Msg : 53 of 300
From : David Reffitt 1:280/341 .óá 11 Hîÿ 95 07:55
To : Chris Ogniben
Subj : Re: Vir Cotto
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
I do see your point. Do you think that when Londo dies that Vir might take his
place?
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Msg : 54 of 300
From : Frank Swarbrick 1:104/825 .ÿò 10 Hîÿ 95 06:45
To : The Raven
Subj : Chronology needed for KOL
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
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On 11-08-95 06:14 The Raven, the thief who couldn't sleep, said:
GW> I'm watching and taping eps of KOLCHAK: THE NIGHT STALKER which the
GW> Sci-Fi Channel is running for its two-day "Kolchak Marathon." It
GW> occurs to me that I've read some posts in a Fido echo or two saying
GW> there may be a sequel planned to the series, one in which Kolchak
GW> (played in the original series and TV movies by Darren McGavin) meets
GW> Mulder and Sculley from the X-FILES. Is this just wishful thinking on
GW> some fans' hearts, or is this (or any type of sequel) planned?
FS> I think it's wishful thinking. Kind of like the one where Scully and
FS> Mulder go to Twin Peaks, Washington, and David Lynch directs. Yeah,
FS> right... :-)
TR> Actually, there were negotiations to have this exact thing
TR> happen, but they fell through. And the other one you may have heard
TR> about was having David Duchovny appear as Fox Mulder on Picket Fences.
Well that one (XF/PF) was definately a planned thing, and not just a
rumor. As for the others, well...
Frank
... The Psi Corps Is Your Friend. Trust The Corps.
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Msg : 55 of 300
From : Frank Swarbrick 1:104/825 .ÿò 10 Hîÿ 95 10:07
To : Nicolai Shapero
Subj : Quark at Roswell,NM
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 92-0022
On 11-09-95 07:04 Nicolai Shapero, the thief who couldn't sleep, said:
NS> On , Ritchie Funk (1:140/122) wrote to Jon Helis:
-=> Quoting Jon Helis to All <=-
JH> Next week's Deep Space 9 looks interesting, they're going to do an
JH> episode about the crash at Roswell,NM. The alien that's going to
JH> crash there is Quark. They must be desparate for story lines.
RF>Are you suggesting that this is not going to be a good story. I
RF>have
RF>not seen it yet but it sounds like its going to be good.
NS> Just my two cents, but I thought that the Roswell episoded was a hoot.
NS> MUCH better than a number of the scripts they've saddled DS9 with
NS> lately. Of course, I've always been a fan of good sf-humor...
I haven't seen "Little Green Men" yet, but I'm just curious as to what
recent DSN episodes you haven't liked. I think all of this season's
episodes have been at least good, with two ("The Visitor" and
"Rejoined") being great.
Frank
... Soul Windows (Version 3.1)
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Msg : 56 of 300
From : Frank Swarbrick 1:104/825 .ÿò 10 Hîÿ 95 10:11
To : Todd Sullivan
Subj : Star Wars I
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 92-0022
On 11-08-95 12:18 Todd Sullivan, the thief who couldn't sleep, said:
TS> Whilst falling into the sun on 07 Nov 95, Steven Wesen yelled to me:
SW> That was what I was told they plan to have the next film in the
SW> theaters either christmas 1998 or just after 1999 unless another
SW> project comes up.
TS> Lucas is still, last I heard, waiting for Mark Hamill to look old
TS> enough to play Anakin Skywalker.
You're not serious are you? Not that I don't think Hammill would play
a good Anakin Skywalker, but I thought they were going to use all
different actors.
Anyway, it's been almost 20 years since Star Wars, so I'd have to say
that Hammill's at least 40, or will be in a few years. Certainly
that's plenty old enough isn't it?
Frank
... I am become Death, Destroyer of Worlds.
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Msg : 57 of 300
From : Mark Jones 1:105/302.47 .ÿò 10 Hîÿ 95 11:44
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : B5 VS. TREK, AGAIN.
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (07 Nov 95) Jeff Hancock wrote to Ecarey...
JH> EC>Trek has been around for three decades, and actually is extremely
JH> EC>popular and extremely profitable. TV Guide can ban boost its sales
JH> by
JH>
JH> Yes, yes, but that doesn't mean that it should overshadow all
JH> other SF just because it is popular. Yes, I know how that sounds,
JH> but the problem is that to too many people SF television is
JH> characterized either by Trek or by bad "Sci-Fi" movies. If the
JH> person doesn't like Trek they might not look much further, and
JH> may not even have the chance.
"Should" has nothing to do with it, though. You're dealing with the
realities of free-market economics. STAR TREK, whatever else you can
say about it, has been a money-maker for Paramount for nearly thirty
years. It has, accordingly, become the model for what many people in
and out of the business think of as "science fiction" (in particular,
as financially-lucrative science fiction).
So Star Trek has remained in production (since the first movie) pretty
much non-stop all that time. The public demands it, and they're
willing part with their shekels to get it. So they get lots of it.
And as long as it continues to deliver what the fans want, it will
probably continue indefinitely.
If that squeezes out other forms of SF, or makes their attempts to get
a foot in the door that much harder...that's life. It works the same
way in publishing. Big-name authors can command huge advances and
lots of contractual goodies, sometimes at the expense of lesser or
beginning writers. Even if, as sometimes happens, the big-name writer
isn't as good as the newbie (or isn't anymore, even if he once was).
But the big-name author can coast on his reputations...at least for a
while. But the new guy has to really stand out before he gets
noticed.
For a long time there was no (lasting) tv sf but Star Trek. Now,
finally, we seem to be getting a rash of successful (and generally
quite good) alternatives. X-Files. Highlander. Forever Knight.
Babylon 5, etc. If they succeed, they may open a few eyes to other
possibilities besides Trek. But they've got to work a lot harder than
the Trek crew because they don't have a thirty-year record behind
them. Trek does. It may not be fair, but its the way it is.
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Msg : 58 of 300
From : Judy Hayes 1:154/40 .óá 11 Hîÿ 95 22:43
To : Myranya Werlemann
Subj : Re: Personal Favorites.
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
->As Quoshara walked the halls she heard Myranya say:
MW> Trill character, Krystyne Vanix. And Ronald's got my head.
JH> Well, make him give it back! }}|-)
MW> I will, I will... I'm really not using it that much, anyways, I've
MW> been using my Trill much more often. It's definitely more comfortable
MW> make-up on a full day con.
I can only imagine at this point. 'Though I have had a couple of people give
me pointers about how to keep cooler and dryer while wearing them.
MW> head, or something like, 'Did I leave my head in here, yesterday?'
JH> How you could *misplace* something like that I'll never know. They're
JH> too expensive if you buy them and too time consuming if you make your
JH> own...not something *I'd* want to misplace.
MW> This was at three-day cons in OKC. Believe me, at 3:00 am after a
MW> whole nite of partying these heads get pretty hot. So we take them
MW> off. Most of these room parties are with the same crowd all the time
MW> -it's a small con, not a 1000+ commercial affair.
Oh...That makes it much easier then...'though I don't misplace things so much
now as I used to. I think it comes from having children and having to keep
track of their stuff as well as my own.
MW> So we just put the
MW> head somewhere up high on top of something... Really, there are
MW> usually a few rooms that are used by the same groups of people... We
MW> crash sometimes in different rooms, as well... Sort it all out in the
MW> morning...
Been there, done that...had a wonderful time.
JH> No, thanks. A blade is much more satifying and makes the halls and
JH> corridors such a lovely shade.
MW> Ah, I did notice the new paint-job...
Yes, it *is* rather attractive with those abstract splashes of red.
JH> It *does* tend to pile up if you don't download every day or so. I
JH> find that I actually spend *less* time with it if I read it everyday
JH> than if I wait and get a bloof of mail once a week. I guess my mind
JH> stays more alert and I read faster.
MW> Yeah, I know what you mean. I think it's that when you get one of
MW> these neat packs with 'read: 5 , unread: 3500' , kinda makes me freak
MW> out when I gotta get started on reading and answering that kind of
MW> mail. I try to keep up with it every day, but I know I am not always
MW> succeeding. I try to at least read everything and delete the mezzies
MW> I don't need to answer -replying can take a bit longer, but having
MW> those large numbers disappear from my screen makes it look so much
MW> better..
Plus, it makes those of us waiting for answers sooo much happier.
MW> Alright, 1 down, 3499 to go.
Good Luck!!
--Quoshara
... A clean desk is a sign of a cluttered desk drawer.
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Msg : 59 of 300
From : David Little 1:106/7315 .ÿò 10 Hîÿ 95 13:04
To : Bianca Wesslak
Subj : Red Dwarf / Time travel
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-=<( Bianca Wesslak used the Jedi Mind Trick on me! )>=-
DL> -=<( Bianca Wesslak used the Jedi Mind Trick on me! )>=-
BW> I knew I had a talent somewhere.
YOU WISH!!
