Just hope they don't attempt to...er...Americanize it too much.
--Quoshara
... "Don't mince words, Tony ... what do you *REALLY* think?"
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Msg : 162 of 185
From : Frank Glover 1:2613/477 .åō 18 .íâ 96 22:13
To : Christian Raven
Subj : Re: VIRTUAL SEX
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
CR> FG> Or...as a conditioning/brainwashing tool. Which brings us back
CR> to
CR> FG> Brainstorm, and a Next Generation episode where the Romulans
CR> captured
CR> FG> Geordi, and fed him selected inputs through his Visor
CR> connections....
CR> FG>
CR> yes... and that brings up an intersting idea... not about virtual
CR> sex, but consider this: if all we are is the sum of our memories
CR> (which is debatable), then it would be possible, with the aid of
CR> virtual sensory equipment, to bring up a newborn child in a virtual
CR> world, thereby controlling who and what he will become... which leads
CR> us to.. what if that has already been accomplished?
Something like this was done in `The Boys From Brazil,' which involved a
number of Hitler clones, which were not merely genetically identical, but those
behind theplan tried to insure they were raised in an environment as near that
of the originalas possible....
And more to your point is `Total Recall.' What indeed if youcould submerge an
old personality and set of memories under a new one...and the new one upon
learning of this, still seeks to preserve his own identity? (If you saw the
movie, the scene where Arnie's character is pursuaded that all his experiences
prior to, and on Mars were the virtual experience he'd asked for [and even I was
having doubts], was ripped off...er, *borrowed* in a recent ST:Voyager episode
where the Doctor is having similar things happen to him...)
And sometimes, in a wildly philosophical mood, I wonder...when we die...is
the `last' thing we see the words `GAME OVER' flash before us, and then start
taking off a VR suit in another reality...?
Frank
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Msg : 163 of 185
From : David Johnston 1:342/14 .˙ō 19 .íâ 96 00:27
To : Mark Jones
Subj : Nuclear
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> DJ> Of course it can't. But I'm losing track of your point. If DJ>
-> electricity magically stops working, many people would die, (but DJ>
-> on the bright side there will be a lot more agricultural jobs). DJ>
-> What does is the supposed significance of this?
-> I was responding to a statement that, if electricity vanished, she
-> would go live on a reservation and hunt for her food.
OK... Wait, I still don't get it. Her strategy would in fact seem to
be the best one to encourage personal survival, even if many others
would try to do the same thing. What's your point?
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Msg : 164 of 185
From : Christian Raven 1:393/7 .˙ō 19 .íâ 96 11:48
To : Glenn Shaheen
Subj : Re: Star Trek
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
GS> > I must have some problems with my terminal, I almost thought you said
GS> >"good" and "ST:Voyager" in the same sentence.
GS> At least every episode isn't a comedy like some ST series...
GS> Ok, maybe there are some problems (the black Vulcan, since for what
GS> I've seen Vulcan is all the same climate) but there have been more good
GS> episodes than bad.
i'll admit, at least, that there are a few decent episodes... but with what
they have to work with (i.e. a new, unexplored quadrant) i think they could use
a little more imaginiation... it's just seeming rather dry...
..c.raven..
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Msg : 165 of 185
From : Christian Raven 1:393/7 .˙ō 19 .íâ 96 23:11
To : Frank Glover
Subj : Re: VIRTUAL SEX
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
FG> Something like this was done in `The Boys From Brazil,' which involved
FG> a number of Hitler clones, which were not merely genetically identical,
FG> but those behind theplan tried to insure they were raised in an
FG> environment as near that of the originalas possible....
FG>
FG> And more to your point is `Total Recall.' What indeed if youcould
FG> submerge an old personality and set of memories under a new one...and the
FG> new one upon learning of this, still seeks to preserve his own identity?
FG> (If you saw the movie, the scene where Arnie's character is pursuaded
FG> that all his experiences prior to, and on Mars were the virtual
FG> experience he'd asked for [and even I was having doubts], was ripped
FG> off...er, *borrowed* in a recent ST:Voyager episode where the Doctor is
FG> having similar things happen to him...)
FG>
FG> And sometimes, in a wildly philosophical mood, I wonder...when we
FG> die...is the `last' thing we see the words `GAME OVER' flash before us,
FG> and then start taking off a VR suit in another reality...?
FG>
FG> Frank
FG>
heh heh... very heavy my friend. i was considering something similar as i
made the everyday rounds this evening... it's amazing how much sheer faith one
man can put in his identity. it seems as though no one really strives to seek
out the truth.. i figure there has to be some *purpose*... and to change the
subject almost altogether (if you're up to it), what are singular human beings,
anyway? alot of people don't really stop to consider the actual meaning that
Evolution has... charles darwin would lead us to believe that we are ourselves
machines, in a sense. simply machines with one innate feature seperating us
from the computers we now use... the feature of creating and solving problems
which have not been inputted into our minds... in other words, the ability to
choose our own course of action.. but randomness.. true free will.. that is
impossible.. every action leads to a equal and opposite reaction.. oh well, i'll
hear your reply before i go on...
..c.raven..
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Msg : 166 of 185
From : Todd Sullivan 1:202/720.3 .åō 18 .íâ 96 20:28
To : David Johnston
Subj : Nuclear
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
While substituting for Q, David Johnston took extreme delight in saying to
Philip Crookes, "You'll do anything I say?" Philip quailed when the words
"Nuclear" were uttered.
->> > Barring a complete collapse of our civilization, I imagine > that
->> the purple trefoil will remain a good warning. If it's
->> Turkish people, and some Asian societies, shake their heasds when
->> they mean 'yes'
->> It would not be hard to suppose that a purple trefoil could be
->> interpreted as meaning...
->> playground
->> sex parlour
->> lunch
->> safety
->> friends
DJ> Irrelevant. Purple trefoils are a world-wide standard.
Not irrelevant; the point is that they are standards *now*. In (arbitrary) 1000
years, "after the fall", they could have highly religious significance. The
"Plane tribes" of Oceana make effigies of C-47's still.
Todd Sullivan
... A bird in the hand is worth 1000 words!
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Msg : 167 of 185
From : Todd Sullivan 1:202/720.3 .åō 18 .íâ 96 20:30
To : Kay Shapero
Subj : nuclear BS
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
While substituting for Q, Kay Shapero took extreme delight in saying to me,
"You'll do anything I say?" I quailed when the words "nuclear BS" were uttered.
TS>> The methods and motives behind each are mutually exclusive.
KS> Comments prefixed with letters and > are quotes from other people,
KS> witness the one of yours I just quoted. Quotes appear in replies so as
KS> to let the person to whom the reply is directed what the reply is
KS> about. Yes, I know you don't get nuclear explosions from power plants.
KS> The guy I was writing *to* and who made the statement you are evidently
KS> replying to seemed to think that a steam explosion served as a counter
KS> example. I was informing him that this was not the case.
KS>
Sorry about that, Kay. I must have missed it before.
Todd Sullivan
... "Hush! Hush! Thought I heard her calling my name." --Deep Purple
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Msg : 168 of 185
From : Todd Sullivan 1:202/720.3 .åō 18 .íâ 96 20:36
To : David Johnston
Subj : Nowhere Man
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
While substituting for Q, David Johnston took extreme delight in saying to
Stephen Adams, "You'll do anything I say?" Stephen quailed when the words
"Nowhere Man" were uttered.
->> Not personally, but I'm sure that there are. I suppose if a person
->> doesn't believe in conspiracies, of any kind, at all, then viewing
->> Nowhere Man would be a waste of time.
DJ> Oh, I believe that conspiracies exist. I just don't believe that they
DJ> can simultaneously be so omnipotent and incompetent at the same time.
Hmmm. History's full of them; all you have to do is look for them.
The CIA had a few laughable ideas as to get rid of Castro, and they're about as
omnipotent as you can get in this country.
Todd Sullivan
... "Confusion now hath made his masterpiece!" --Shakespeare
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Msg : 169 of 185
From : Chris Ogniben 1:2604/568 .åō 18 .íâ 96 13:20
To : Eric Reinholt
Subj : Star Trek and others
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Hey i do watch the X-FILES and STRANGE LUCK.. In fact, i feel as if
i was the first fan, to really enjoy this new series STRANGE LUCK and i
seen every new episode of that show and the X-Files. The reason that i
have so much time, is what you said. You are about 30 of age, i am
about just over 20 of age. And you are married, i am not. You gota
job, and i don't. You probably drive your own car, and i don't. And
you have a life and i don't. That explains it. I just spend most of
my time online a lot of places and with all the additional time, sinc
e i don't spend my entire day on a chat board anymore. That i work on
tons of sci fi text files. I just finished a new one.. SPACE - ABOVE
AND BEYOND. I finally was able ot remember the names of the people in
