To : Brad Morgan
Subj : Science Fiction
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If you want the area code for Mike and are willing to pay long distance then
call 203-386-0660.
--- Maximus 3.01
* Origin: The Wacko Board (1:141/415)
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Msg : 122 of 185
From : Star Hawk 1:362/708.6 .îí 15 .íâ 96 17:49
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : B5 -- Coincidence?
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From my perch I saw this come out of the gravity well from Jeff Hancock:
[> Star Hawk [> I'm at a loss to find any real connection between WoH
[> and B5... and i've seen WoH [although not recently]. Without more
[> to go on, i'd go with the overactive imagination.
[> Jeff Hancock [> That's probably all there is, although associations
[> can spring in the most unlikely cases from the oddest similarities.
[>
[> For example, the last new episode of B5 had the "Black Rose killer".
[> I didn't think anything special of it; until after that I saw some
[> episodes of Ranma 1/2 with a character self-nicknamed "The Black
[> Rose". But aside from that, no real similarity. ('course, for all I
[> know, a black rose is a old story element, not that I'd ever run
[> into it before)
I don't know about story element, but it's not unlikely. Roses have been a
romantic symbol, the color black a symbol of dark and/or evil intent; so
naturally when the two are put together you have a ready made of dark/evil
romance. Both B5 and Ranma 1/2 tapped into that background for different
reasons.
[> Jeff Hancock [> Another anime I ran into had living starships... but
[> again, not even similiar in detail.
Again, no surprise... Living ships have been part of SF/Fantasy for a long
time, although not common. [The anime wouldn't have been Tenchi Muyo, would it?
]
Star Hawk, the EchoTrickster
--- MacWoof Eval:23Dec93
* Origin: William Bull Hedrick @ Hawk Haven's Orbital Point (1:362/708.6)
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Msg : 123 of 185
From : Star Hawk 1:362/708.6 .ōp 16 .íâ 96 23:21
To : Todd Sullivan
Subj : elfquest
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From my perch I saw this come out of the gravity well from Todd Sullivan:
[> Todd Sullivan [> What was mentioned before is. Last I heard, Marvel
[> Comics was doing an EQ comic, and the Pinis were keeping a close
[> watch, or were being consulted regularly.
Marvel _used_ to publish a reprint a version of EQ; currently the EQ titles
are published by WaRP Graphics.
Star Hawk, the EchoTrickster
--- MacWoof Eval:23Dec93
* Origin: William Bull Hedrick @ Hawk Haven's Orbital Point (1:362/708.6)
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Msg : 124 of 185
From : Frank Glover 1:2613/477 .pä 17 .íâ 96 20:33
To : Michael Harper
Subj : Re: tv and sf
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MH> Do you know who the most literate people in the world are? Oil
MH> riggers.
MH> Especially the ones on platforms and on towboats. They read
MH> everything,
MH> and read it again, and then read it to each other. I know of one guy
MH> who learned highly advanced mathematics, tensor calculus and that
MH> sort
MH> of thing, while working an oil rig. It was the only thing he could
MH> find
MH> that no one would walk off with before he was done with it.
Interesting. I predict similar things when long space voyages, and long tours
of duty on a space station become posible. (Well, maybe the latter already does
if you count the Mir and Salyut stations. But they're too small to `walk' very
far with someone's books....)
Frank
--- QuickBBS 2.80 GoldBase (Zeta-1)
* Origin: The Matrix Data Bank BBS, Rochester, Ny (1:2613/477)
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Msg : 125 of 185
From : Frank Glover 1:2613/477 .pä 17 .íâ 96 20:41
To : Chip Griffin
Subj : Re: nuclear
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CG> Not if you're going to get enough power to be useful. Broadcast
CG> transmitters
CG> emit a lot of power, but not enough is received to be usable. There
They're not designed with transfer of signifigant power in mind. An SPS
inorbit would be beaming at a rectenna array a mile or so in diameter.
*Broad*casting is just that.
CG> emit a lot of power, but not enough is received to be usable. There
CG> would be
CG> a high loss to the atmosphere to I think ...
Not at all frequencies. You select one with minimum attenuation. As a ham
operator (KA2WQA) I've heard amateur radio satellites in orbit running only a
few watts....
Frank
--- QuickBBS 2.80 GoldBase (Zeta-1)
* Origin: The Matrix Data Bank BBS, Rochester, Ny (1:2613/477)
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Msg : 126 of 185
From : Frank Glover 1:2613/477 .pä 17 .íâ 96 20:48
To : Chip Griffin
Subj : Re: NUCLEAR paradox?
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CG> True, but can we safely sustain it? There is no metal known to man
CG> which can
CG> contain the temperatures achieved (necessary) during/for fusion.
Which is why magnetic fields are used to contain, heat and compress the
fusion fuel plasma. (Or inertial confinement, in the case of lasers or particle
beams to ignite tiny fuel pellets.) To work, the plasma must have a temprature,
density and confinement time whose product exceeds a minimum value. (The Lawson
Criterion) We can easily get high temps, at the expense of the other two. But
we're getting there.
Those interested in exotic fusion posibilites, with access to back issues of
Analog science fiction/science fact (in an attempt to get back on topic) may
want to look for the non-fiction article `The Farther Shores of Fusion' by
Thomas Donaldson in the March 1988 issue.
Frank
--- QuickBBS 2.80 GoldBase (Zeta-1)
* Origin: The Matrix Data Bank BBS, Rochester, Ny (1:2613/477)
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Msg : 127 of 185
From : Frank Glover 1:2613/477 .pä 17 .íâ 96 20:59
To : Bianca Wesslak
Subj : Re: nuclear
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BW> Besides it's the only plan that I can think of. The fall of
BW> electricity
BW> has on upside, a lot of the bombs that the military controls, won't
BW> be
BW> able to be set off.
Being military systems, they don't depend on the commercial power grid,
either. Just as well. It would make the National Guard useless in
power-disrupting disasters, otherwise.
Frank
--- QuickBBS 2.80 GoldBase (Zeta-1)
* Origin: The Matrix Data Bank BBS, Rochester, Ny (1:2613/477)
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Msg : 128 of 185
From : Frank Glover 1:2613/477 .pä 17 .íâ 96 21:04
To : Shawn Merrow
Subj : Re: Star Trek Comics
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SM> DC and Marvel are merging in the end of Feburary. I've heard this
There's a major crossover series coming, but actually merging? Not to my
knowledge.
Frank
--- QuickBBS 2.80 GoldBase (Zeta-1)
* Origin: The Matrix Data Bank BBS, Rochester, Ny (1:2613/477)
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Msg : 129 of 185
From : Mark Jones 1:105/302.47 .ōp 16 .íâ 96 21:05
To : STEPHEN ADAMS
Subj : NOWHERE MAN
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (15 Jan 96) STEPHEN ADAMS wrote to MARK JONES...
SA> My take on this show is that it is to present to the audience
SA> what it is that *Tom* is feeling, seeing, and/or experiencing.
SA> How many times in your own lives have behavior changes in other
SA> people left us wondering what was going on? (When I say other
SA> people, I'm talking about loved ones and friends that we care
SA> deeply for and implicitly trust.) And of those times, in how many
SA> of them did we get a sufficient explanation as to why they did
SA> what they did? Not everything in life gets explained with some
SA> "heavy-duty" justification, and it appears that Nowhere Man's
SA> production staff is just following this concept.
The problem is that real life is different from fiction. In real
life, when strange things happen, you simply accept them. There they
are. They don't *need* justification--they HAPPENED. But one of the
first things a beginning writer learns (or should learn) is that "but
this really happened to me/a friend!" is no defense.
The more bizarre an event is, the *more* justification it requires
before a reader will accept it. Because they failed (or more likely,
didn't even try) to justify the set-up, I lost interest in Nowhere Man
somewhere about halfway through the first episode. If the show is
simply an excuse to vicariously experience raging paranoia, I'll pass.
I can get all the paranoia I want by cruising the net. I want a
little more than that from a mystery program.
But to each his own. Other people seem to really like this one.
SA> For me, it is this overall *lack* of justification that brings me
SA> to watch the next episode! I, too, have become part of Tom's
SA> search for answers! :)
And it was the lack of justification that turned me off (and all my
friends, too). I suspect that there *aren't* any answers--and while
that may strike some viewers as a cool philosophical position to take,
I don't care for it.
MJ> If she was a ringer all along, why didn't they just have her
MJ> *steal* the negatives, or at least find out where he kept them
MJ> (so experts could blow the safe, for instance).
SA>
SA> Well, if they did *that*, then there would be no more story. :)
No, it would have required some serious work on the writers' parts,
but they could have still had a story. But they would have had to
*explain* why that wouldn't work...instead of simply ignoring that
option. [Maybe he wouldn't *tell* her where the negatives were.
Which, she being his wife, would be an interesting insight in Tom Veil
*before* the conspiracy was revealed, don't you think? Perhaps he was
paranoid all along....]
SA> Regarding the negatives. Throughout this series, everyone has
SA> tried to get Tom's negatives, but he has managed to hide them in
SA> some pretty unique places. Besides, he's got the negatives
SA> scattered all throughout the country!
How many times has he been in the hands of the conspiracy? At least
once, in the pilot. Any halfway competent conspiracy could have
gotten the information from HIM in half a dozen different ways.
--- PPoint 1.78
* Origin: Folcroft Sanitarium (hsmith@cure.com) (1:105/302.47)
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Msg : 130 of 185
From : Mark Jones 1:105/302.47 .ōp 16 .íâ 96 21:15
To : STEPHEN ADAMS
Subj : NOWHERE MAN
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On (15 Jan 96) STEPHEN ADAMS wrote to DAVID JOHNSTON...
