Msg : 46 of 187
From : Eric Reinholt 1:2604/309 .îí 25 .åę 95 20:24
To : Otto Cordray
Subj : Gibson
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On 12-24-95 OTTO CORDRAY wrote to MARK JONES...
MJ> I would only worry about unemployed steelworkers robbing and
MJ> killing people to get their virtual-sex fix if the virtual sex is
MJ> made illegal.
OC> That was one part of what I meant (do you think that President Pat
OC> Buchanan or Phil Gramm would ever allow such a thing to exist
OC> legally?).
OC> The other part: even with it legal, if ol' Mr. Steelworker is
OC> unemployed and he's hooked he'll end up doing anything to "plug
OC> in".
Howdy.
I'm trying to remember a movie where they touched upon Virtual
Sex . . . uh . . . "Brainstorm" I think.
Showed one ill effect of being hooked up into a Virtual Loop of
orgasm being a palsy. Kind of a Virtual MS.
** Eric **
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Msg : 47 of 187
From : The Raven 1:363/309 .ķá 23 .åę 95 14:46
To : Bianca Wesslak
Subj : nuclear BS
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BW> Maybe the core never hit air but the three mile Island explosian is a
BW> good example of how dangerous nuclear energy is.
Explosion? There was *no* explosion. I am quite serious when I say
that the total amount of radiation released was miniscule, I *meant* it.
You'd get a bigger dose of radiation from just sitting in the US Capital
Building.
Funny how you never answered this point. Look, it's really very simple.
Reactor cores don't explode. Period. They can have a catastrophic meltdown,
they can have radioactive coolant leaks, but they do not go up in a cascade
of nuclear fire a'la a nuclear bomb. They *can't*.
BW> Lead is the only shield that I know of that can withstand radiation,
BW> that and cockroaches.
Depends on what type of radiation you are talking about. Plastic
will stop EM radiation (as will clothing, for that matter). Tin foil stops
microwaves. Lead, gold, a sufficient amount of just about *any* matter,
will stop most forms of radiation cold. And, of course, neutrinos aren't
stopped by anything...
So, what are you talking about?
Jack Butler
... "Tipsy and pink, doughy guys roamed the land freely!" -- Tom Servo
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Msg : 48 of 187
From : The Raven 1:363/309 .ķá 23 .åę 95 14:55
To : Bianca Wesslak
Subj : nuclear
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BW> Your looking at the present and not the future. Radiation half life
BW> takes centuries and maybe eons to become stable. Uranium hurts and
BW> kills more people over time than does black lung.
Nonsense. You don't really believe this, do you? Consider, please,
that tens of thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) of people have died
of Miner's Disease ("Black Lung") all over the world since the advent of
using coal as fuel. In addition, the waste products of coal-powered plants
put tons of sulfur dioxide and carbon dioxide into the atmosphere (creating
acid rain, smog, erosion problems, the hole in the ozone layer, massive
plant kills across the planet, not to mention being the main reason the older
cities around the world look like someone spray painted them orange-gray.
In comparison, the waste products of nuclear reactors have rarely
seen the light of day, much less polluted it... and even when it did, it did
nowhere near the amount of damage 200+ years of coal smoke does. And a mere
handful of people have died from radiation resulting from a reactor accident.
BW> Point, Nagasaki and hiroshima, those that were not killed by the blast
BW> died from cancer, exposure and other sickness, also people in the navy
BW> who were swimming in the ocean during the attack that were in our navy.
I'm sure they did. That's what nuclear bombs are designed to do: kill
enormous amounts of people through radiation and fallout. However, what in
the world does this have to do with nuclear reactors? Reactors are not
nuclear bombs, and your insistence on comparing apples to oranges makes your
argument even weaker than it started out to be.
Jack Butler
... If dogs had catapults, would cats be safe in trees?
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Msg : 49 of 187
From : Mark Jones 1:105/302.47 .cę 24 .åę 95 01:41
To : Lawrence E Dunlap
Subj : Gibson
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (22 Dec 95) Lawrence E Dunlap wrote to Mark Jones...
MJ> My personal favorite: a high-tech medical emergency kit, complete
MJ> with computer and headset. When you need the kit, you slip on the
MJ> headset and turn on the power. Presto! You know how to *use* all
MJ> that keen equipment now!
LE>
LE> However, experiential testing would be required to prove that some
LE> special dexterity or visual acuity isn't really necessary to do
LE> surgery on someone who might have some unusual medical condition to
LE> deal with. I knew a guy who was nearly 400 pounds in junior high. He
LE> was stabbed about 200 times. Most of the probloem in operating on him
LE> was determining how much fatty tissue there actually was between the
LE> surgeon and the serious parts of the wound.
LE>
LE> Took 14 hours to finish that emergency surgery. He was about 200
LE> pounds lighter. In an emergency, would *you* have the endurance for a
LE> field medical stimkit's directions to remove several hundred pounds of
LE> adipose tissue? Would *both* you anf the patient survive?
LE>
LE> Just curious about your feedback.
...in which case the program lets you know that this guy needs a
*real* doctor in a real operating room, and you just do standard EMT
fieldwork. Basically, the medikit (as I envision it) would give you
the knowledge and skills (if it worked that way) of a well-trained and
experienced EMT. If that isn't enough, well...its an emergency first
aid, and they have their limits.
The idea is simply to provide medikits that will let *anyone* use
it effectively (barring personal limitations), so that if there isn't
an EMT on the scene, you can still treat people with it. It isn't a
cure-all, but its better than a couple of bandages, some aspirin,
scissors and a first aid booklet....
--- PPoint 1.78
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Msg : 50 of 187
From : Mark Jones 1:105/302.47 .îí 25 .åę 95 02:03
To : Otto Cordray
Subj : Gibson
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On (24 Dec 95) Otto Cordray wrote to Mark Jones...
MJ> I would only worry about unemployed steelworkers robbing and
MJ> killing people to get their virtual-sex fix if the virtual sex is
MJ> made illegal.
OC>
OC> That was one part of what I meant (do you think that President Pat
OC> Buchanan or Phil Gramm would ever allow such a thing to exist
OC> legally?).
They might have no choice. But even if they outlaw it, they'll be
as successful as are those who outlaw pornography, prostitution, and
recreational drugs--i.e., not at all. They'll succeed only in driving
it underground. Anyone who really wants these things can get them.
Virtual sex would be no different. (Especially since I suspect
there'd be no reason why you couldn't download *.sex files as easily
as those awful GIFs they're worried about now. This makes it even
harder to stamp out than prostitution or drugs--which require at least
one illicit face-to-face transaction....)
OC> The other part: even with it legal, if ol' Mr. Steelworker is
OC> unemployed and he's hooked he'll end up doing anything to "plug
OC> in".
That may be. But the same is true now for anything that is highly
desirable (cash, stereo equipment, sports cars, jewelry, supermodels,
etc.). If we're going to ban things because people might commit
crimes to get them, we'll have to ban money first.
Besides, keeping virtual sex rigs (and software) legally available is
only part of my libertarian agenda. The other part is making sure
John Q. Citizen can own and carry handguns just as easily. Which will
dissuade a lot of potential criminals in itself; of those that try to
commit crimes anyhow, a percentage will be killed off--and the more
criminally inclined they are, the sooner it will happen. Eventually
the odds catch up with everyone.
Sure, virtual sex would cause problems. But then, everything does.
--- PPoint 1.78
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Msg : 51 of 187
From : Brion Lienhart 1:213/700.2 .cę 24 .åę 95 14:51
To : Frank Glover
Subj : Re: nuclear BS
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On Sat Dec 23, Frank Glover said to Bianca Wesslak:
BW> being cleaned out by robots due to the dangerous radiation. Lead is
BW> the only
BW> shield that I know of that can withstand radiation, that and
-FG> Lead has the advantage of being nice and dense (gold would be about
-FG>as good), but enough of *any* material will do. Even vacuum, if you're
-FG>simply far enough away.
It depends. You want dense shielding for gamma, but for neutrons, you need
something with lots of hydrogen atoms like water, or plastic. Distance is good
too, if you get twice as far away you only get 1/4 as much radiation. There is a
measure called tenth thickness that varies for type of material and type of
radiation. IIRC, for lead and gamma radiation it's 4 inches. I.E. if you stick
4" of lead between you and some radiation if you have 100 rem on the unshielded
side, you'll only have 10 rem on the other side, 8" and you'll only have 1 rem.
--- QM v1.31
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Msg : 52 of 187
From : Kevin Van Houten 1:124/7012.1701 .åō 28 .åę 95 16:41
To : Aaron Turon
Subj : Re: Hi!
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.MOOD: Always happy :-)
While shoveling reindeer droppings from the Promenade, Dan Kachoogian
inexplicibly said "Hi!" to Aaron Turon.
AT>> Hello! I'm a total TREKIE! Does anyone else like it? Please
AT>> write back!
No, I doubt there would be ANYONE on a Science Fiction and Fandom
Echo who had ever heard of Star Trek.
******* Reprise the theme song and roll the credits...
.:KvH:. EchoOneEyedKlingonBardVolehunter - OMCCR ST:TSG
.!. There goes my people. I have to follow them, I'm their leader.
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