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Darre,
DL>Doesn't it bug you that everyone in a uniform seems to know everything
DL>about everything, and yet everyone is s'pose to be some find of
DL>specialist? They must use some *serious* "sleep teachers" or some such.
DL>
DL>
DL> Darre LuAllen
DL> Know-Nothing
DL> Extraordinaire
DL>___
DL> Origin: (1:3637/1)
Supposedly in *seaQuest* substantial progress in educational methods
has taken place where children born today will be adequately prepared
for the unreal world of 2032.
For a submersible to be built to the size that is found in that
cancelled program, it would require a economy generating a $40 to 90
trillion planetary GDP to permit such a construction twice.
Even if we don't crash the shaky economy we run today, some major
breakthrough in technology would be necesssary to allow such a economy
with the developing world being largely like the US of 1995 in 2032 as
it was portrayed in that show.
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Msg : 115 of 187
From : Lawrence E Dunlap 1:106/2927 .cź 31 .åź 95 22:17
To : Robert Lidgren
Subj : tv and sf
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
RL>-> That's because TV producers make lousy SF. They think that a show
RL>-> will draw a big audience if it has flashy special effects, and big
RL>-> name stars. Never mind that the shows don't make sense, have bad
RL>-> plots, and worse science. If it's bad
RL>-> SF, it's bad TV.
RL>What you say is short but to the point. I agree with you most of the
RL>time on this one. What really makes terrific science fiction or fantasy
RL>has got to be excellent writing. The screenplay. All the visual
RL>effects CAN add impact BUT IT SEEMS TO ME YOU HAVE TO CARE ABOUT THE
RL>CHARACTERS IN SOME WAY AND THIS HAPPENS WHEN THEY ARE NOT JUST CARDBOARD
RL>CHARACTERS.
RL>I think if you look at the original Twilight Zone series or even One
RL>Step Beyond, there were a number of excellent science fiction stories
RL>and virtually no "whizz-bang" special effects and no colour to boot!
RL>I's say your last comment another way: Bad stories ensure bad TV just
RL>as bad stories make for bad movies.
RL>Translating science fiction from novels into the filmed format is and
RL>has alkways been a very tough nut to crack.
RL>* Origin: (1:134/10)
More the problem is the inept execution of executive producers to
detect bad writers and writing and get those writers disappeared from
the show.
I feel inept executive producers come from the political "incest"
between prodcuers and most television and cinema production house
executives where the careers and productivity of the executives and
producers are explicitly measured by individual production's profit
margins, and where applicable, beneficial TV ratings
Most television producers and production house executives chose this
occupational field to intentionally and directly *escape* and everyday
working literacy in the sciences and literature.
This community has taken any capacity for concentration spans longer
than five minutes from modern TV viewers. Good Science Fiction and
Science Fantasy *requires* intensely focused concentration to glean the
nuances of the story.
This won't change in the US because meaningful production house
regulation by networks and syndicators is very slight. The regulation of
*networks* and *syndicators* is nonexistant by the US Government.
The exceptional quality of the British productions is due to
meaningful degrees of governmental expectations that producers will
actually be *educuated* sufficiently to regulate technobabble in *Dr.
Who* without assistance from the FidoNet conferences!
European governmental counterparts to the US FCC expect--no,
*require*--educational soundness and literacy in the humanities in
nearly every level of television and cinema production to prevent the
production of poorly conceived and poorly produced television shows.
Producers truly literate in the natural sciences and science fiction
won't happen unless similar expectations for educational excellence is
demanded by viewers and/or enforced by some industry or governmental
body who has the muscle to bring down the dropout refugees who inhabit
the industry today.
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Msg : 116 of 187
From : Kevin Ahearn 1:109/104 .īķ 01 .ķā 96 19:24
To : Lawrence E Dunlap
Subj : tv and sf
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
LED> Producers truly literate in the natural sciences and science fiction
LED> won't happen unless similar expectations for educational excellence is
LED> demanded by viewers and/or enforced by some industry or governmental
LED> body who has the muscle to bring down the dropout refugees who inhabit
LED> the industry today.
Yeah, if we could just get rid of that pesky First Amendment, we *could* have
effective governmental regulation of what's broadcast on television.
--Kevin
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Msg : 117 of 187
From : Christopher Lee 1:387/31.50 .īķ 01 .ķā 96 16:47
To : ROBERT LIDGREN
Subj : Good Ole Riker...
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (30 Dec 95) ROBERT LIDGREN wrote to ALL...
RL> He always struck me as an actor who took on his role in STTNG
RL> with great earnest and a zest for life. Has anyone seen or heard
RL> anything else about Frakes?
Frakes, Siertis(sp?), & Dorn can all be heard on Disney's "Gargoyles".
hang'n loose...
CHL
... Modems.....reach out and BYTE someone.
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Msg : 118 of 187
From : John Kahane 1:163/198.5 .īķ 01 .ķā 96 10:07
To : All
Subj : Best NY Wishes
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Here's wishing each and every one of you a very Happy New Year. May the
Goddess bless you with Her bounty for this coming year, may She give you your
heart's desire, and may you accomplish all the goals that you set for yourself.
JohnK
Happy New Year to everyone! :)
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Msg : 119 of 187
From : Michael Harper 1:123/10 .īķ 01 .ķā 96 16:15
To : Darre LuAllen
Subj : Re: Quark
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-=> Over coffee and beignets, Darre LuAllen told Michael Harper all about
Quark...
-=> While shaving a goat, Darre LuAllen told Otto Cordray
-=> all about SF Comedy...
DL> Hey... I thought I asked
DL> you to keep that under your hat...
Eep. Forgot...
DL> Yep ... I remember having quite a crush on
DL> Betty... Not to mention how I felt about Betty.
You too?
MH> Tim Thomerson and Richard Benjamin have both gone on to other, if not
MH> necessarily better, things...
DL>
DL> These are two actors that don't even like having Quantum Physics
DL> discussed around them...
Can you blame them?
DL> "Hey guys... I was in physics class today and learned about the
DL> Quark." - Innocent-Student-Friend-to-the-Stars
DL>
DL> "Oh god..." - T. Thomerson
DL>
DL> "We'll *never* live this down..." - R. Benjamin
(groan)
DL> Yes sir, they just don't make cheese like that anymore. I miss shows
DL> like "Quark" and "Wizards and Warriors."
I know how you feel. Those were some good ones. I got the same guilty
pleasure from them that I got from "When Things Were Rotten" and
"Police Squad!"...
Speaking of cheese, have you heard that TNT is going to start running
episodes of Brisco County Jr. this month? God, I loved that show...
... "Y'know, I can come back later if you'd like..." --Draal
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Msg : 120 of 187
From : Phill Ash 1:275/160 .ņp 02 .ķā 96 09:08
To : Robert Lidgren
Subj : Good Ole Riker...
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: GE 1.11+
RL> Jonathan Frakes (Riker) seemed the MOST disappointed when STTNG was
RL> cancelled.
RL> Has anyone seen much of him at all? I think I've seen him in
RL> 1. Deep Space Nine once
RL> 2. Hosting the Alien Autopsy Special
RL> 3. Once on Cybil Shepard's series (she turned down his offer for a
RL> "date")
RL> ------------------------------------------------------------------
RL> He always struck me as an actor who took on his role in STTNG
RL> with great earnest and a zest for life. Has anyone seen or heard
RL> anything else about Frakes?
He and wife, Genie did an episode of Lois & Clark. He'll be in
an upcoming episode of Voyager (along with Q)
Your pal: PhlAsh
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~~~ ReneWave v1.01 [NR]
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Msg : 121 of 187
From : Phill Ash 1:275/160 .ņp 02 .ķā 96 09:08
To : Judy Hayes
Subj : Personal Favorites.
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: GE 1.11+
MW> The hardest thing I
MW> think is to blend the edges. In front of the mirror it'll look all
MW> good, then after about an hour, the stuff on the applications dries
MW> to a different color than the stuff on the skin. :-(
JH> There's got to be a way to correct that...How do you do it with your
JH> Klingon headpiece?
Paint the appliance with Kryolan "Rubber Mask Grease Paint" and
the skin with an appropriate BenNye color on a well-moisturized
foundation.
Your pal: PhlAsh
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Msg : 122 of 187
From : Patrick Long 1:271/380 .īķ 01 .ķā 96 00:13
To : Bianca Wesslak
Subj : nuclear
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 94-0096
-=>I was using them to point out the problem with radiation, BTW,
-=>what is dresden fill me in.
It's a shame History classes leave out so much these days...
-=>Actually I would not be happier with the incendiaries, either
