KS> of her esteem, and totally bewildered by your reaction. By the end of
KS> that episode, I was half expecting Vir to ask Minbar for asylum. :->
Pity Vir wasn't a little faster on his feet. He could have told Sheridan
and Ivanova that the matter was not their concern, and then briefed them
later.
Pity bald-faced lying ... er ... DIPLOMACY isn't in his nature.
Or maybe it's for the best.
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Msg : 212 of 233
From : Karl Lembke 1:102/749 .pä 15 .āé 96 21:59
To : James Glaser
Subj : Doctor Who 1996!
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
James Glaser, citing the Rules of Acquisition to All, said:
JG> Paul McGann. Premiere. The Doctor must save Earth
JG> from his nemesis, The Master. (S) (CC) FOX.
I thought it was quite well done, and quite faithful to the
BBC series. The only thing lacking was the rubber aliens. :-)
...........Karl
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Msg : 213 of 233
From : Lawrence E Dunlap 1:106/2927 .˙ō 17 .āé 96 20:11
To : Wes Yahola
Subj : Starship Troopers
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
WY>Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the bug war humankind's first
WY>contact with extraterrestials (the bugs and the skinnies)?
That wasn't entirely clear in Heinlein's writing but clearly the
Federation valued military preparedness against extraterrestrials
regardless of theoritical possibilities against any life anywhere else
in the galaxy. *Troopers* Terran Federation appearently believed their
theoritical scientific model about human life predicted sentient life
everywhere will potentially be equally vigorous and expansionist
Since 1959, Heinlein progressively moved off from that notion in
*Troopers* because he realized such vigorousness of life would have
already brought aliens to us by now.
WY>If that's changed in a movie to explain the genesis of the Federation, that
WY>would undercut the main thrust of the story. Which seemed to me to be more
WY>about 1) Jonnie's personal growth (common theame for all kinds of genres)
WY>and 2) an examination of a better human society of the future while poking at
WY>contemporary sillyness (none of which has changed since 1959. Except for the
WY>date of the war, this could have been about today). . . .
Your position about changing the premise of the movie is possible
but complex. How you make the better human society sound better without
entangling oneself in 1996 US politics/political correctness criticism
is a challenge that might evade nearly everyone making the movie.
RAH was his own script doctor and kvetched about the frequent
results of those who took those few scripts from him in *Grumbles From
The Grave*. RAH eventually adopted the legendary position of SF writers
their novels will be handled for cinematic productions only by serious,
knowledgeable script writers and left as intact as possible.
Keeping RAH's kvetching in mind, Virginia Heinlein (yes, Wes, he was
married and you *can* detect when RAH's absteience to prevent fatherhood
in a nuclear war age ceased being in effect) might unexpectedly ditch
the movie if "Ginny" feels no faith in a script doctor even *comes near*
the computer word processor script of *Troopers*
Lawrence E Dunlap
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Msg : 214 of 233
From : Brion Lienhart 1:213/700.2 .˙ō 17 .āé 96 10:22
To : Bill Warren
Subj : Re: Starship Troopers
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On Tue May 14, Bill Warren said to Brion Lienhart:
-BW>Well, maybe, but that hardly means the movie will automatically be
-BW>bad. I do not consider faithfulness to be a particularly important
-BW>aspect in adapting a novel to the movies. Heinlein's novel is
-BW>virtually plotless, and a great deal of it takes place in a
-BW>schoolroom. There are few characters, very little character
-BW>interactions, and a few, widely-spaced, action sequences. Not
-BW>suitable for straight filming.
Then they should have just made a movie about guys in armour blowing stuff up,
and not tried to pretend that it had any relation to the book. The average movie
goer probably doesn't even know who Heinlein is, and the Heinlein fans are going
to be pissed off about it.
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Msg : 215 of 233
From : Jan De Smedt 2:292/403.2 .îí 13 .āé 96 08:33
To : Jan vantEnt
Subj : Re: Julian May - Magnificat
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Hi Jan,
In a message of 06 May 96 Jan vantEnt (2:512/1.1) wrote to Jan De Smedt
about"Julian May - Magnificat":
Jv> It's a hardcover; publisher is Knopf; price probably around $25
Jv> (available in England for UK#17.50; best bet in Holland would be the
Jv> American Bookshop in Amsterdam or Den Haag).
Thanks for the info, but I would like to buy it in Antwerp, where I live.
Even more, do you know if it has already been translated into Dutch? The
prequels have been published by "Het Spectrum", Utrecht and if it has, my wife
can read it too.
I thought you would know I live in Belgium from my point number and my e-mail
address ;-)
Thanks again for your reply.
Greetings,
Jan
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Msg : 216 of 233
From : Jan De Smedt 2:292/403.2 .îí 13 .āé 96 08:39
To : Nicolai Shapero
Subj : Re: Julian May - Magnificat
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Hi Nicolai,
In a message of 05 May 96 Nicolai Shapero (1:102/524) wrote to Jan De Smedt
about"Julian May - Magnificat":
NS> ISBN 0-679-44177-8, Copyright 1996 by Starykon Productions, Inc.
NS> Alfred A. Knopf, publisher, New York, 1996. My copy is an SF Book
NS> Club edition, so I don't have a current price (sorry about that).
Thanks very much for your quick reply!
Greetings,
Jan
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Msg : 217 of 233
From : Bob Klahn 1:234/2 .˙ō 17 .āé 96 18:18
To : Roy Stevens
Subj : CHRIS ELLIOT'S SITCOM
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
->> RS> Anyone remember the show that came on after it, about the 5 or 6
->> people RS> who survived a nuclear war?
->> Yes, I remember it, but I had almost forgotten it. Now I gotta start
->> forgetting it all over again.
->> BOB KLAHN
RS> I don't know how my email address got involved in this conversation but
RS> I'm receiving these msgs.
RS> Just thought you might like to know
I haven't the foggiest either, I just hit "R" from my offline reader.
Consider it a gift.
BOB KLAHN
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Msg : 218 of 233
From : Bob Klahn 1:234/2 .˙ō 17 .āé 96 18:18
To : All
Subj : DR. WHO
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Ok, it wasn't all bad. However......
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The idea of the Daleks trying the master for his crimes was a violation of
the entire premise of the Daleks. The idea of the Daleks granting the
Master's last request to have the Doctor transport his remains to Galafrey
is even worse.
The Daleks do not try anyone. They destroy anyone whom they consider an
impediment, not because the other is a criminal but because the Daleks are
Daleks.
If the Daleks ever got the chance they would destroy the Doctor without a
second thought.
The Doctor is not half human.
The Doctor does not have romantic relationships with human women.
These were added as easy ways to open some doors to an American audience.
They are betrayals of the series and it's fans.
The TARDIS does not have an "Eye of Harmony" that will open for a human and
suck in the Earth. If they want to invent one they could do a better job of
it.
The Doctor cannot bring people back to life by going back before they died.
That is well established. When they die they stay dead.
All in all I am disappointed. Even the theme seems butchered.
The scenes with the Master taking over the ambulance driver's body had me
saying, "They made a damned horror movie out of it."
Well, it wasn't all horror, but it was bad enough.
Even the device that supposedly gave the Master the Doctor's remaining lives
was as cheesy as anything from the series.
BOB KLAHN
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Msg : 219 of 233
From : Bob Klahn 1:234/2 .˙ō 17 .āé 96 18:18
To : Leman Russ
Subj : BABYLON 5 SPOILER
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
LR> 'kay, Rave, I'll tell you that Kosh getting whacked was obvious and it
LR> was going to happen.
LR> You see, B5 is just Lord of the Rings in space, and Kosh was
LR> Gandalf. Since Gandalf bought it in LotR it was obvious that Kosh was
LR> going to do likewise in B5.
>>:{
Other than the fact that Gandalf did not buy it in LOTR, that is an
excellent, by which I mean thought provoking, suggestion.
BOB KLAHN
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Msg : 220 of 233
From : Bob Klahn 1:234/2 .˙ō 17 .āé 96 18:18
