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Msg : 113 of 154
From : Patrick Long 1:271/380 .åō 06 .ūí 96 16:22
To : Glenn Misztal
Subj : Lois and Clark
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-=>with a couple of the X-men and I don't even *READ* Marvel comics...
-=>On a brighter note...if you read any DC comics...mail me....
C'mon over to Comics echo...
... "Love is eternal." Ä Clifton Webb
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Msg : 114 of 154
From : Tony Sayger 1:366/205 .ōp 04 .ūí 96 22:48
To : Lawrence E Dunlap
Subj : Re: Robert A. Heinlein
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Falcon said this wisdom about Lawrence E Dunlap's post to Kay
about Robert A. Heinlein on 06-04-96 20:58:
LED> Did RAH ever write a ST:TOS script that was actually produced and
LED> aired? I saw two TOS eps written by "Robert A. Heinemann" and have
VERY weak link...
LED> wondered if this was a *nom de plume* for RAH even thogh I later
LED> realized *Star Trek* was somewhat off-center as a SF show from RAH's
LED> core values to psuedonym a script in additional consideration to his
LED> declining lucidity during those days.
LED> (1:106/2927) or Internet "PostOakLED@AOL.com"
Dear:
[X] AOLer [ ] Clue less Newbie [ ] Con-artist [ ] Pervert
You Are Being Flamed Because:
[X] Your sig/alias/server stinks
[X] You seem to have trouble with associations and can't hold a
discussion properly
To Repent, You Must:
[X] Give up your AOL account
In Closing, I'd Like to Say:
[X] Other:
Considering that Robert Heinlein's opinion of TeleVision was somewhat less
than flattering (called it a " noisy-box" in STRANGER), I highly
doubt that he would have written a script for it. Also, you're correct in
saying ST was off-center to Heinlein's views. I found your remark about
"declining lucidity" unnecessary and in poor taste.
ßāÜĮÔ˙
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... Life is stranger than fiction because fiction has to make sense.
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 [NR]
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Msg : 115 of 154
From : Mark Jones 1:105/302.47 .îí 03 .ūí 96 23:35
To : Todd Sullivan
Subj : White star = the defiant
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (01 Jun 96) Todd Sullivan wrote to Mark Jones...
MJ> FAILURE. "Overgunned and overpowered..." (If not *the* stupidest
MJ> words ever spoken in Star Trek, they're in the top ten....
TS> Not from the point of view of Roddenberry, who said that Starfleet was
TS> made up of explorers and scientists.
But the Defiant was designed as a *warship* -- nothing more and
nothing less. If they had decided they didn't need single-purpose
warships after the Borg were defeated, I could accept that. But
that's not what they said. They said that the Defiant was
"overpowered and overgunned" and thus flawed. Which is silly.
A vessel with more firepower than other ships many times its size, and
with sufficient power to run at warp speed *and* run the shields *and*
fire all those weapons is what you WANT in a warship.
TS> Defiant was so single-mindedly designed that they ignored things like
TS> habitability, which parallels the Los Angeles (SSN-688) attack
TS> submarines, now that I think of it.
Defiant is unsuitable for long-term deep-space exploration--but then,
that's not what it was designed for. It is admirably suited for its
intended mission: heavy combat.
--- PPoint 1.78
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Msg : 116 of 154
From : Mark Jones 1:105/302.47 .îí 03 .ūí 96 23:48
To : Ben Lusk
Subj : The state of Chalker
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (02 Jun 96) Ben Lusk wrote to 76...
BL> Am I the only one of my kind. Sure, I realize that he has not
BL> published anything of merit for quite a while, but Jack is interesting
BL> and I just wondered if anyone else cared for his work.
I've read and enjoyed his original five-volume WELL OF SOULS
series, and a couple of other novels by Chalker.
However, I lost interest eventually when it became clear that
everything he's ever written--to the best of my knowledge--revolves
around physical transformation, mind-switching or some other means of
putting the characters into another form.
He's hardly the only writer with a recurring theme in his works,
but this one simply doesn't grab me the way certain others do.
--- PPoint 1.78
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Msg : 117 of 154
From : Mark Jones 1:105/302.47 .åō 06 .ūí 96 21:00
To : Leman Russ
Subj : White star = the defiant
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (Sun 2 Ju) Leman Russ wrote to Mark Jones...
LR> The defiant was called "overgunned and overpowered" for a very good
LR> reason, IT WAS.
That's a matter of opinion.
LR> The ships engines were so large, in relation to the mass ofthe ship,
LR> that they overstressed it, which could result in the hull failing.
There's this device called a "governor", which allows you to set a
maximum limit on how a vehicle can go, or how much power the engine
generates. (And, in an emergency, when you may *die* if you don't
move really quick, well, you release the governor and go hellbent for
the horizon....)
LR> In the ep where the alternate universe crew needed sisko to help
LR> them get their deifant online, they mentioned that problem and how
LR> ithad to be fixed.
A tiny bit of continuity (and a rationalization for why all Fed
starships aren't so heavily armed).
--- PPoint 1.78
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Msg : 118 of 154
From : Mark Jones 1:105/302.47 .åō 06 .ūí 96 21:06
To : Frank Glover
Subj : White star = the defiant
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (04 Jun 96) Frank Glover wrote to Leman Russ...
LR> The ships engines were so large, in relation to the mass ofthe
LR> ship, that they overstressed it, which could result in the hull
LR> failing.
FG>
FG> And we do have a precedent for that from the time Nomad jacked up
FG> the efficency of the original Enterprise's engines. Scott or Kirk said
FG> pretty much the same thing....
...because Scotty couldn't SLOW DOWN! Just because the power is
there doesn't mean you HAVE to use it. But being able to shift into
"Bat Out Of Hell" *and* full power to the shields *and* have horrific
amounts of power left to blast holes in the bad guys is a good thing.
--- PPoint 1.78
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Msg : 119 of 154
From : Mark Jones 1:105/302.47 .åō 06 .ūí 96 21:11
To : Glenn Misztal
Subj : Lois and Clark
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (29 May 96) Glenn Misztal wrote to All...
GM> Did anyone watch Lois and Clark get "married" last night? Well, Clark
GM> married a *CLONE* of Lois! I for one am sick and tired of shocker
GM> plot-lines like this... Lois and Clark have just broken off their
GM> engagement in the comics and Clark is started to date a Mermaid...(No
GM> lie! Her name is Lori Lemaris 'L.L.' - typical.) Seeing Mulder blown
GM> up, was enough, but this season shocker is really bad....
GM> Why can't Lois and Clark just get married and get on with life? Hey,
GM> it worked with a couple of the X-men and I don't even *READ* Marvel
GM> comics...
...because if Lois and Clark ever, uhm, well, you know--Lois will
DIE! (Readers of Niven's "Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex" know what I
mean....)
No, the real reason is an inability (or unwillingness) to alter the
series in any meaningful way. Lois knows his secret. She is in
danger almost constantly. Aside from going through a ceremony and
wearing rings, what difference would their being married make? Almost
none (except that the characters would be happy--and we can't have
that). The only difference is that the "sexual tension" would vanish
because they can (legally) slake their passions.
But happily coupled couples are anathema on television. Therefore,
they will never truly get married.
--- PPoint 1.78
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Msg : 120 of 154
From : Kay Shapero 1:102/524 .åō 06 .ūí 96 10:49
To : Joey Haven
Subj : outer limits
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On , Joey Haven (1:3654/5) wrote to Kay Shapero:
KS> They did a decent job with their adaptation of Larry Niven's
KS> "Inconstant Moon", but otherwise I haven't been too impressed with it
KS> myself. Sigh...
JH> Hello, would you tell me when this ep aired? I really liked
I don't recall I'm afraid. Nicolai was channel surfing and stopped on a channel
that had two people outdoors talking under an improbably bright moon. That in
itself reminded me of the story; shortly thereafter the dialogue removed all
doubt. So we watched the rest of it.
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Msg : 121 of 154
From : Ken Mayes 1:393/7 .ķá 08 .ūí 96 08:03
To : Leman Russ
Subj : Re: White star = the defiant
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On Thu 6-Jun-1996 3:59a, Leman Russ said to Nicolai Shapero:
LR> I notivce that starfleet must have solved the dominions ability to shoot
LR> thru standard sheilds too.
Yes. It's called ablative (sp) armor. Basically the Defiant is coated
with a substance that absorbs the energy from weapons discharges and burns away
slowly. This gives them the ability (as demonstrated in the episode 'Way of the
Warrior') to stand up in combat unshielded against other foes.
Apparently Sisko has been making many changes to the Defiant without
necessarily telling Star Fleet. In the episode 'Paradise Lost' an Excellsior
class Federation Starship engaged the Defiant and the other captain was
surprised that the Defiant had that armor. Apparently Sisko hadn't informed Star
Fleet of the changes to the Defiant's specs. The man's definitely showing signs
of paranoia when he doesn't even trust his own leaders. :)
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Msg : 122 of 154
From : Gary Pendlebury 2:256/136.3 .åō 06 .ūí 96 10:11
