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FE> Does this mean Legend is gone, too?
Legend was cancelled, but UPN has decided to give it a second chance to
redeem itself.
In the same vein, Sliders, which had been cancelled, has been given a
reprive as a mid-season replacement next year.
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X RM 1.3 X Eval Day 1 X "Go In Peace. Sin No More! I'm Outta Here!" - Joel,
MST3K
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Msg : 246 of 322
From : Brian Henderson 1:207/241 .åō 15 .ūí 95 16:02
To : Frank Eva
Subj : Star Trek
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
FE> The examples you gave both deal with militarism. Have you ever
FE> thought that Gene Roddenberry may not have wanted his concept to be
FE> associated with war-mongering? So, this may not be a matter of the
FE> 'universe never changing', but rather the long-term emphasis being
FE> placed on peaceful solutions to crises...
Didn't both of these examples come up after GR died? If so, what
difference does it make? Roddenberry was riding a pipe dream if he
thought that humanity would suddenly stop fighting and participating in
wars, as TNG showed quite clearly.
There are other examples, however. Take the first season episode of TNG
in which the heads of Starfleet were taken over by those alien
parasites. The episode left you thinking "where are the rest of them,
and do they still pose a threat?" yet TNG dropped that plotline like a
hot rock.
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Msg : 247 of 322
From : Brian Henderson 1:207/241 .åō 15 .ūí 95 16:06
To : Frank Eva
Subj : B5 Renewed!
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
FE> I always thought that given the choice, JMS could NOT turn down an
FE> opportunity to cash in on his own product. I don't blame him. If I
FE> had a popular property and could earn some money off it, I wouldn't
FE> hesitate. I think what makes this look bad is that prior to the
FE> offer, JMS took such a hard line against franchising B5. He now
FE> looks a bit hypocritical...
JMS has never, EVER said that there will be no marketing of B5 material,
only that the show will drive the marketing, not the marketing driving
the show. Star Trek has had to introduce too many new characters and
ships simply because Matchbox or whoever is chomping at the bit to make
more toys and action figures.
Everything that will bear the label for B5 goes past JMS' desk. If he
doesn't okay it personally, it doesn't get made.
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X RM 1.3 X Eval Day 1 X "Think How Disturbing THAT Would Be! Ahhhh!" - Joel,
MST3K
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Msg : 248 of 322
From : Brian Henderson 1:207/241 .åō 15 .ūí 95 16:13
To : Robert Lidgren
Subj : B5 Vs St 1/
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
RL> 3. A sufficiently "likeable" nature that we didn't ENTIRELY hate
RL> the guy.
Actually, what Khan had that no other Star Trek villain had was a
*MOTIVE*! He had an understandable, and probably correct reason for
feeling and acting like he did. Far too often, Star Trek has decided
that the good guys have to wear white hats so we'll know who they are
when this simply doesn't happen in real life.
Who is good and who is bad most often depends on whose side you're on.
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X RM 1.3 X Eval Day 1 X "She survived, now she's gotta be in the film" - Crow,
MST3K
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Msg : 249 of 322
From : Brian Henderson 1:207/241 .åō 15 .ūí 95 16:17
To : Frank Eva
Subj : Babylon 5 (Pten)
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
FE> Just guessing, but it seems obvious to me that JMS is not going to
FE> let the B5 comics or novels advance the main storyline of B5: The TV
FE> Series.
JMS has already said that the novels and comics exist to both flesh out
the storyline with details not necessary to the main arc, and to go off
and tell new stories in the B5 universe.
FE> Last season, because of this episode, I speculated that Kosh's
FE> people were "energy beings", but then I was reminded that they do
FE> need an artificial "environment" inside B5, and that Kosh had
FE> actually been poisoned in one episode, both of which seem to imply
FE> more than an energy being is inside that encounter suit...
Unless, as has been suggested, Kosh does these things to lead people
off-track. Was he really poisoned, or was he simply testing mankind?
Does he need that environment and the suit, or does he use them for
concealment? Only time will tell...
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X RM 1.3 X Eval Day 1 X "My name is Crow. I'm a Pisces" - Crow as beatnik,
MST3K
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Msg : 250 of 322
From : Brian Henderson 1:207/241 .åō 15 .ūí 95 16:29
To : Frank Eva
Subj : Voyager Nose Diving?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
FE> I have given it a chance. I taped all of the first 9 episodes, and
FE> will keep them in my collection. Since then, the quality has
FE> nosedived, and the writers seem content to rehash old themes.
Well, I'll agree with the last half. I watched the premiere movie, and
was so disgusted by the end that I turned off the tape and erased it.
FE> I have never expected a "continuing" story in any Star Trek. In
FE> fact, that is proving a major disadvantage for diehard B5 fans who
FE> have now been told that they won't have any more of the B5 story
FE> until next October. If this show hadn't been a continuing story, it
FE> would have been much easier to accept a major postponement, but to
FE> have 4 episodes postponed 4 months when you were expecting them now,
FE> is almost too much to bear, especially considering we won't even see
FE> the 2nd season "finale" this season!
Tell that to the trekkies who were whining all summer about Best of Both
Worlds. It isn't easy doing without a show you love, especially since
you have some reason to look forward to the new episodes.
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X RM 1.3 X Eval Day 1 X "Sail on, Servo! I love a robot with panache!" -
MST3K
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Msg : 251 of 322
From : Brian Henderson 1:207/241 .åō 15 .ūí 95 16:31
To : Frank Eva
Subj : Who To Write To For B5
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
FE> RY>to B5 watchers! Converse with JMS on GEnie, CIS or Delphi!
FE> Or the internet at straczynski@genie.geis.com...
Or on Usenet on rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.
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X RM 1.3 X Eval Day 1 X "Oh sweet Information Super Highway" - Crow, MST3K
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Msg : 252 of 322
From : Ecarey 1:101/230 .åō 15 .ūí 95 18:36
To : Pamela Crossett
Subj : SPOILERS
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
>tb> "While skinny dipping Pamela Crossett was talking to Mark Jones."
>
>tb> "Could you people PLEASE put spoiler alerts in your messages! DAMMIT!"
>
> Tammy,
>
> i'm sorry, but what is a spoiler alert? i will certainly put one in
> my future messages if you could clarify what it is. AND what it is
> for.
>
> thanks.
>
> and sorry for my ignorance.
A spoiler alert is a warning that there's a "spoiler" in the post, followed by
enough lines of blank screen to push the actual spoiler far enough down that the
person reading the post can read the spoiler warning without reading the
spoiler, and DECIDE if they want to read the spoiler.
A "spoiler" is something which reveals a important plot information about a
book, film, or episode of a television show.
--- FLAME v1.0
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Msg : 253 of 322
From : Ecarey 1:101/230 .åō 15 .ūí 95 18:55
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : B5 RENEWED!
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
> Far as I can tell, his objection is just to putting out "any old
> crap"
> JUST for merchandising. If he was putting in new ships and new races
> just to create action figures and playsets, or if he was making
> multiple
> spinoff series with no real point to them other than to sell more
> product, then that would be hypocritical.
Of course, RIGHT NOW, he wouldn't be able to \sell\ "multiple spinoff series",
whether there was a point to them or not. It's easy to be virtuous when nobody
is trying to tempt you.
RIGHT NOW, B5 has an awful lot of ancillary merchandise - books, comic books,
Micromachines, caps, jackets - and it has only just come to the end of its
second broadcast season. This much merchandise this soon is just not believable,
unless the merchandising plan was developed in parallel with the series
production plan.
And if there really is good quality control [a theory NOT supported by the
sloppiness of the novels, or the complaints I've seen here and elsewhere about
the comics], that would argue even more strongly for the plans having already
been \in place\ when the series first aired. You don't \get\ good control on a
rush job.
> If the fans are asking for this kind of material, well...
JMS has carefully cultivated the demand.
Which is not, after all, \sinful\. He's doing this for living, after all, NOT
out of a self-sacrificing desire to give his all for quality SF on television.
However much he wants to do \that\, TOO, he won't get to \continue\ doing it if
B5 doesn't turn a respectable profit. And there's no reason why he SHOULDN'T
make money off of producing good entertainment.
But it does make the desperate attempts to make B5 marketing look Pure and
Noble, while characterizing Trek marketing [which really did develop out of fan
demand \first\, including widespread fan infringement on Paramount's Trek
trademark] as wicked money-grubbing, look rather silly.
And it's not JMS we see those foolish attempts from, either.
--- FLAME v1.0
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Msg : 254 of 322
From : Ecarey 1:101/230 .åō 15 .ūí 95 19:01
To : Frank Eva
Subj : CONFESSIONS & LAMENTATION
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
> JK> The really neat thing is that the business with the Markabs
> is
> JK>not the "decimation of a major race's homeworld" that JMS has
> been
> JK>hinting at for a while. Looks like the dying hasn't even started
