>To which Jeff Kovach replies...
>Who? Don't you mean Queen?
Silly!
Roger Daltry (lead singer for The Who) was decapitated by
Kallas.
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Msg : 217 of 322
From : Phill Ash 1:275/160 .тp 13 .юн 95 08:12
To : Jack Butler
Subj : Crosspost
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>Regarding listening to The Who and thinking their lead singer got
>killed. I didn't know about this. Please enlighten me as to the
>situation? Is it to do with Queen?
>Gloria
I think you went way over some people's heads on that one, Jack!
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Msg : 218 of 322
From : John Kahane 1:163/198.5 .тp 13 .юн 95 12:06
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : Vorlon Immortality
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In a message of , Jeff Hancock scribed:
JK>> *************Minor Spoiler Warning******************
JK> JK>>> SPOILER ALERT!!!
JK> JH>> Still?
JK>> Yep... You never know who's not seen the episode in
JK>> question yet, so it makes sense to do so...
JH> We're not going to have a repeat of the debate from over on
JH> SF, are we?
No, Jeff... I hadn't intended to. :) I guess we can dispense with the
spoiler warning here, but if someone objects to their *not* being a spoiler
warning, I'll send them to you, ok?
JK> JH>> BTW, I thought the next episode was supposed to be _The
JK> JH>> Long, Twilight Struggle_, which was being hyped as one
JK>> The next *new* episode is going to be _The Long, Twilight
JK>> Struggle_, but it won't be airing in North America now until
JK>> some time in October. PTEN has decided to hold off on the
JK>> final four
JH> So I've been hearing... Expletive deleted.
Well, things could be worse, you know...the series has been renewed, so
there will be a third season of BABYLON 5. The good news is the episodes may be
shown a bit earlier, but there is also the possibility now that the Brits and
Euros won't see the last four episodes until August or September. Just talk,
for the moment, as far as I know.
JH> Not that it's an original thought, but this is stupid.
Quite a few of us agree with this sentiment. Won't do much to influence
the folks at PTEN, I don't think. :(
JH> Not only do they tick off B5 fans, but that also means that
JH> those four episodes will only get one airing (not counting
JH> the same-week repeats in many areas), and people who miss
JH> them or get turned on to the show later will miss what appear
JH> to be some of the more important (arc-wise) shows of the
JH> season - just like _Babylon Squared_ and _Chrysalis_.
Yep, pretty much the same thing, imo. The worst thing is that PTEN has
said that the reason they won't show episodes from the first season is that they
don't want to confuse people about the Sinclair/Sheridan command of the station.
Since JMS has said that major new characters will be introduced in the third
season, it's a good bet that second season shows won't be repeated for the same
reason that PTEN used to not want to show first season episodes in repeat.
Maybe we'll have to wait until the series is in syndicated re-release. :)
JK>> Meantime, the Brits and Europeans will see the four episodes
JK>> when they were scheduled to air - in the June/July slot. :(
JH> Okay, two questions... Is it possible a letter-writing
JH> campaign would do any good, and do you know anyone in Europe
JH> with an NTSC-compatible VCR who could send you tapes of
JH> them . . . ?
Well, before I answer this, see my comments above on this matter. As for
the first question, I doubt that a letter-writing campaign would influence PTEN
one way or the other, but it might convince them to show the episodes a bit
earlier than October. Or not... They're thinking in terms of the sweeps in
October and November, and as I mentioned before, the segue into the third season
of B5.
As for the second question, I know a lot of people in Britain, but most of
them aren't using the NTSC-compatible formats. PAL is the common video over
there, and that's what they'll be recording in. Unless they're willing to help
out the poor American cousins and go out of their way to help us all out. :)
JK>> No way to know...but we don't know all that much about them.
JK>> We know that they are at least 12,000 years old and that
JK>> they were old when the other First Ones, such as the Vorlons,
JK>> were young.
JH> Race-wise, but I'm talking about those Shadows with Morden,
JH> and if they personally would have fought in the wars or have
JH> any experience leading them to believe that Kosh is one of
JH> the First Ones.
Who knows? We don't really know what the Shadows look like proper yet;
heck we don't even know anything about Shadow biology or chemistry at all, so
how can we talk about their ages? The fact that they pre-date the Vorlons as a
race must count for something of course, but we don't know enough about them at
this point.
JH> They must have a suspicion at the least, unless those
JH> particular Shadows don't know diddley about those ancient wars.
JH> Wouldn't the very name "Vorlons" tip them off? ;-)
Not if the actual name of Kosh's race is one that they have abandoned in
order to keep themselves safe from the Shadows for now. "Vorlon" might be the
name they call themselves as camouflage, and serves a similar purpose to the
encounter suit that presumably, all Vorlons wear.
JK> JH>> and why no one walks into them by accident.
JK>> Probably because they're phased. :)
JH> Is this just guessing, or has JMS confirmed this? Could be,
JH> it would certainly explain how Morden gets around in crowded
JH> situations (unless they can fly, too).
No, Joe hasn't confirmed this. But I've been of the opinion that the
Shadows have phasing capability for a long time now, ever since we first saw the
Shadow ship in combat as a matter of fact. Some of the evidence seems to
confirm this, some doesn't. Just another mystery, one of many, surrounding the
Shadows. :)
JH> Something else I was thinking of... Sinclair's Rangers and
JH> Delenn both know about the Shadows, and know that the others
JH> know; and Delenn knows about Morden and the Shadows, so it
JH> would seem reasonable to assume that there is a Ranger or
JH> two keeping an eye on Morden.
While that's possible, knowledge is a dangerous thing. :) JMS has said
that there have been Rangers on the station for a while now, and that every
episode since "TCoS" has had at least one Ranger somewhere in it.
JH> To that end, the last time I watched _ItSoZ_, during the
JH> meeting in the Zocalo I was watching the background for
JH> anyone who appeared to show even the slightest interest in
JH> Morden... but, no luck. Either JMS hasn't considered this,
JH> or just didn't put it in...
Well, I'm in the middle of making tapes for a friend of mine; he wants a
complete set of B5 tapes, so I'm working on the first season stuff, but when I
get around to watching some of the later episodes again, I may keep my eyes
peeled for things.
John
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Msg : 219 of 322
From : John Kahane 1:163/198.5 .тp 13 .юн 95 12:22
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : Vorlon Immortality 1.1
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In a message of , Jeff Hancock scribed:
JK> JK>>> that the Ancient Ones have learned, about how to cloak
JK> JK>>> themselves from the Shadows knowing who they are,
JK> JH>> Hmmm, good point. I wonder if the encounter suit is also
JK> JH>> part of that protection, perhaps generating a scrambler
JK> JH>> field
JK>> This would certainly seem to be the case, given that the
JK>> Shadows in "Signs and Portents" attempted to get through
JK>> the suit to see what
JH> Well, the cloaking could be entirely mental instead of just
JH> physical through the suit, is what I meant.
I'm not sure about this. If you remember from "The Gathering," Lyta
Alexander couldn't scan Kosh with the suit relatively closed, and she speculated
that it was shielded. That possibly implies the Vorlon suit is partially
organic, that the Vorlons have some sort of psi shielding (which makes sense,
given their racial age), or something like that. While the suit might not be
totally effective against the Shadows, given they are older than the Vorlons,
that doesn't mean the latter are more technologically advanced than the Vorlons,
but this does appear to be the case.
JK>> was inside. That's how Kosh's encounter suit got damaged,
JK>> although it's obvious now that the Shadow allies of Morden
JK>> didn't manage to penetrate Kosh's disguise. If they had,
JK>> the war with the Shadows would have started in deadly
JK>> earnest by now.
JH> The thing is, it just makes me wonder why the Shadows were
JH> ruthlessly curious enough to reveal themselves in some fashion
JH> if they weren't suspicious enough already to make it almost a
JH> moot point.
It could be they were curious about the Vorlons, specifically about Kosh,
I suppose. In "Signs and Portents" it seemed to me that Kosh was the only
ambassador that Morden hadn't approached, and no matter what others say on the
matter, he was somewhat afraid of Kosh to begin with. Perhaps something
instinctive, who knows?
JH> Given what the Shadows with Morden _ought_ to know about
JH> the ancient wars (one would think he would have contacts who
JH> would know enough to watch for things the agent wouldn't
JH> notice, unless Morden was given that kind of information as
JH> part of the recruitment), it just seems as if they should have
JH> a very good unconfirmed suspicion of who Kosh really is.
Perhaps, but maybe not. We don't really know enough about either species
at this point to guess, although one would think that when the Vorlons are
revealed as one of the First Ones, things will intensify. Perhaps it's the
revelation of what the Vorlons are near the end of this season that will cause
the Shadows to commence the war in earnest.
JK> JH>> Say, how does this tie in with _The Gathering_?
JK>> No one knows, Jeff...at least no one other than JMS...and
JK>> he ain't talking.
JH> So speculate... thoughts are still free, so far. ;-)
Well, the first thing that comes to mind is the attempted assassination of
Kosh in "The Gathering." We don't know whether the assassination attempt was
real or not, but I'm inclined to believe it was. Someone, presumably whoever
set up the assassination attempt, had to have know exactly *what* was inside the
encounter suit, since they knew how to poison Kosh and knew what to use to
poison Kosh. Make of that what you will, I think.
JK> JH>> I can't remember exactly what happened, but wasn't a
