Derek (/\).
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Msg : 198 of 322
From : Myranya Werlemann 2:283/1701 .ņp 13 .žķ 95 07:52
To : All
Subj : "V" fan club.
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Hi everyone,
Does anyone know if there's a "V" fan club still active,
and if there is, what's the address? Any info will be
appreciated... Any country, any planet...
Greetx from the Mothership,
Myranya.
... "Where'd you get the uniform?" "They had a sale."
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Msg : 199 of 322
From : Tom Huber 1:115/477 .īķ 12 .žķ 95 02:45
To : Robert Lidgren
Subj : EARTH 2/SO LONG
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11 94-0102
>-> were whats-her-face (the leader), I would have been chewing and spitting
>-> nails had I realized what was happening. In fact, I would have done
>anything
>-> to totally destroy BB's presence on the colony world. Now that would have
>-> made for some good writing and shows.
RL>Gee, why didn't they hire YOU as a STORY CONSULTANT. Nifty idea! It would
>have been absolutely GREAT to see Devon go ballistic and work to screw up
>this
>Big Brother-type organization. Hell, she could enlist the aggresive hormone
>of Danzigger too to get the job done!
Heh! I've got my own SF series in the works and although it is
considerably different from Earth 2 (or Trek, for that matter), there
are a lot of complex social issues around. There are a lot of politics
in the story, and those that come to realize what is happening find ways
to work the system to their advantage... Of course, I wouldn't have to
write SF to tell that story today - there's enough of that already
happening.
It takes the reader well into the third novel to find out the mystery
set up in the first novel. And each story runs in the neighborhood of
180,000 words, about twice the size of the typical Trek book (for want
of a better comparison).
What is really scary about the whole thing (especially the mystery) is
that that situation (suggested by the story) is rapidly becoming
something that will be necessary in our own time and technology.
Most SF that is really interesting takes place roughly 20 minutes into
the future. Bring back Max Headroom!
Tom
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Msg : 200 of 322
From : Tom Huber 1:115/477 .īķ 12 .žķ 95 02:50
To : Robert Lidgren
Subj : B5 VS ST 1/2
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11 94-0102
RL>You are probably right about Asimov but, what the heck, even at less than hi
>peak Isaac wrote brilliantly. I especially enjoyed his straight science
>articles and books. There has never been ANY writer to equal him in his
>ability to make complex scientific concepts understandable. This was
>especially true in his science articles in "Fantasy and Science Fiction"
>magazine.
So very, very true. What I find is that so many people want to claim
that Robert Heinlein is the "best" SF author of all time. I disagree,
and lay that title as Asimov's feet. What Heinlein was, was the ultimate
marketeer. He knew what to write for the time that he wrote it. While
the stories were good, I found Heinlein's politics too much of the
central issue (a good example is his relatively late "Friday" novel).
Asimov had politics, but they weren't an extension of today. More what
we might see in the future. I've done the same thing with my series and
used a "what if" approach to today's social problems. What if we passed
such and such a law? What would be the impact upon society and what kind
of problems might arise because of such a law? That's a central theme to
the first Star Spawn novel and an associated short story. The resulting
answer to the question is that it is a *bad* law. Yet, we have people in
power that would love to pass just such a restrictive law (or laws). I
won't go any further, but it is a major problem that our society faces
today, and gets too far off the SF theme of this echo to discuss (at
least, until the novels start to be published).
Tom
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Msg : 201 of 322
From : Tom Huber 1:115/477 .īķ 12 .žķ 95 02:56
To : Robert Lidgren
Subj : B5 VS ST 1/2
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.11 94-0102
RL>Khan has always stood out as a terrific antagonist because he had:
RL> 1. Sufficient "brawn" to satisfy those who thrive on WWF wrestling.
ROFLMYO!
> 2. An intellect that put Kirk to the test mightily.
This is what I appreciated. I pulled that story a notch above the rest.
They (Paramount) attempted to duplicate this in the last OS movie with
the Klingons. However, it just didn't work. The story was too flawed by
uneven performances and writing. Again, too much in the FX department
and not enough concentration on the story line or characters. Plummer's
Klingon was too shallow - or not convincing - I'm not sure which.
> 3. A sufficiently "likeable" nature that we didn't ENTIRELY hate the
>guy.
Yup. Khan had an element that *demanded* sympathy on the part of the
viewer. Plummer didn't pull this off with his character. Maybe part of
the problem was that there wasn't a central "bad guy" but rather, a
movement of "misguided" people in Trek 6.
> 4. A real "draw" or charisma that made him have considerable loyalty
> from his followers. Compare, say, Captain Bligh from "Mutiny on th
> Bounty." He was hated by some of the crew but his leadership
>allowed
> those with him to survive a 3,000 open-ocean journey in an open
> life-boat. In the same way, Khan's leadership helped HIS followers
> survive very nasty conditions on the planet ofuEB+= exile
Absolutely. Even in the original "Space Seed," you could see this. For
as old as that story is, it still holds up remarkably, even with the
stereotypical (for the time) attraction by the female scientist to Khan.
Tom
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Msg : 202 of 322
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .īķ 12 .žķ 95 08:00
To : John Kahane
Subj : Confessions & Lamentation
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.42.bA 8060
JK> The really neat thing is that the business with the Markabs is
JK>not the "decimation of a major race's homeworld" that JMS has been
JK>hinting at for a while. Looks like the dying hasn't even started
JK>yet.
Why do you say that? Couldn't it still be the Markabs that JMS was
talking about when he said we'd see the "decimation of a major race's
homeworld"?
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Msg : 203 of 322
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .īķ 12 .žķ 95 08:00
To : John Kahane
Subj : Mira and Delenn
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.42.bA 8060
JK> FE> Agreed! However, she still looks better than she did in the
JK> FE> pilot. She looked almost manly, then...
JK> She was *meant* to look manly in "The Gathering," Frank. :)
Why? What was JMS thinking? That the Minbari would be unisexual aliens
or something?
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Msg : 204 of 322
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .īķ 12 .žķ 95 08:00
To : Michelle Willey
Subj : Babylon 5 (PTEN)
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.42.bA 8060
MW>Now B5 has become almost an addiction with me. This surprises me
MW>since I couldn't even sit thru the pilot movie. The episodes just
It's surprising how well B5 is doing with sci-fi afficionados, even
after the rather disappointing pilot and a wait of almost a year before
the actual series began!
MW>keep getting better and the characters are strong, realistic, easy to
MW>identify with. The only thing I don't care for just now is what has
MW>been done to Delenn's character. If the show is cancelled before the
MW>story is done, I hope the books will at least tell us what happens.
MW>IMO, the aliens on B5 are better than the ones on NextGen. The
MW>NextGen ones don't bother me or anything, but after awhile they start
MW>to look alike. Don't really _seem_ alien or even very strange.
Exactly my thought about TNG (as well as DS9). You're right... The
aliens never seemed to be much more than humans with some sort of facial
appliance added...
MW>The same goes for Voyager populations. But B5 has some
MW>really creepy things walking around (or fading in and out). I guess I
MW>just like the *dark* element that runs as an under current in B5 and
MW>the humor is pretty good as well.
Yes, the dark element does seem to add a measure of intrigue you don't
get in any trek today. I think this may be why The X-Files is so
popular, too!
--- CMPQwk 1.42-R2 #145 ---
In his confusion, Kirk uses Scotty as toilet tissue...
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Msg : 205 of 322
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .īķ 12 .žķ 95 08:00
To : Bruce Baugh
Subj : B5 Franchising
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.42.bA 8060
BB>JMS has never taken "a hard line" against franchising. He's taken a
BB>hard line against schlock. From what I hear, the MicroMachines
BB>models are well-done. Which is fine.
Hmmm... He seemed to be making a point against all franchising in the
episode in which a teddy bear was 'spaced'...
BB>He's never quite come out and said, "The B5 novels bite the wax
BB>tadpole." But he's sure danced up to the edge of saying that; it
BB>sounds like the deal he ended up with there is not the deal he
BB>thought he had, and any hypothetical future books are going to be
BB>written by people _he_ picks, rather than assigned to him by the
BB>publisher.
I don't care who he picks to write them, if he doesn't allow them to
advance the storyline in any way...
BB>By the way, I must say that I don't think much of your complaint
BB>about the comic not advancing the arc. What did you expect?
I never expected anything out of the comic book. I was hoping for more
and got less. I have learned my lesson and will not buy another issue.
BB>point of the TV show is that it should stand on its own - people
