JK>> triluminary...
JH> Perhaps. Why would you doubt that? I mean, is it like
JH> something that can only be used by Minbari, or only for the
JH> Forces of Good , or some other such restriction?
Well, it has struck me that it's uses to this point have been associated
with Light, and that's something that the Shadows and Morden seem to have
avoided. I suspect that the triluminary may have been something handed down to
the Minbari by the "Vorlons" during the last skirmish with the Shadows some
1,000 years ago. Just a guess on my part, of course.
JK> JK>>> Actually the time of Valen and the Grey Council is about
JK> JK>>> 1,000 years ago, which fits in with the business of the
JK> JH>> Sorry, I was unclear. Obviously Minbari aren't told just
JK> JH>> because they joined the Grey Council, since then she
JK> JH>> would have known for longer than three years.
JK>> While this is possible, it also represents the fact that
JK>> Delenn had only been on the Grey Council for the last three
JK>> to five years or so, a recent recruit (in Minbari terms),
JK>> perhaps.
JH> Ummm... Delenn was with the Grey Council during the Earth-
JH> Minbari war over ten years ago, proposed courses of action,
JH> and interviewed prisoners. Does that sound like the actions
JH> of a "recent recruit", Minbari or no?
Oops... Something I'd forgotten about in all
the other detail we've been discussing. Hmm...
John
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Msg : 222 of 322
From : John Kahane 1:163/198.5 .тp 13 .юн 95 12:59
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : Vorlon Immortality 2.2
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In a message of , Jeff Hancock scribed:
JK>> that Valen balanced the Council with three from each caste
JK>> suggests that he felt that there was merit to having the
JK>> religious, warrior, and worker caste viewpoints in all
JK>> matters - something that the current Council seems to have
JK>> forgotten perhaps.
JH> I find it slightly odd that the Minbari are acting quite as
JH> hostile as they are. Aside from the Dark Star, they didn't
JH> suffer any real casualties, did they?
Not as far as we know. The casualties fo the E-M war have only been
really mentioned from the pov of the Humans, although we know that they lost a
rather large force when Sheridan did his thing with the Black Star.
JH> Aside from the insult of being told to surrender when they
JH> had beaten us, which is obviously still a fairly big deal, it
JH> seems a bit odd that they're so sensitive about war casualties.
JH> Kind of as if the E-M war was their Vietnam, except it wasn't.
Perhaps, but the Minbari went to war for religious reasons, given what had
occurred to the previous Minbari leader during the initial contact between the
two races. Sure, the Minbari Religious caste stopped the war, but didn't tell
the Warrior and Worker castes *why*. Those two castes must have felt humiliated
by the surrender to Earth when they were on the brink of victory. That would
certainly keep some of the hostility, if not hatred, alive.
JK>> impression that Neroon's mind was totally closed, once he
JK>> learned about humans having Minbari souls, and hence the
JK>> reason for the surrender to Earth. While he might still
JK>> know of the coming great evil and all, his own biases and
JK>> dislike of the Humans, evidenced in the stories that he's
JK>> appeared in, would prevent him from desiring or even wanting
JK>> the Humans' aid.
JH> Assuming again that the soul theory is correct, or has JMS
JH> confirmed it?
No, just a guess on my part. Joe hasn't really said all that much about
this, but if the soul theory were a deliberate falsehood on the part of the
Minbari, I don't think Joe would admit it at this time. Still, what does the
Minbari soul theory do when it comes to Delenn? Does she still have a Minbari
soul or not?
JK> JK>>> John Vornholt posted a message noting that the next book
JK> JK>>> in the series, his _Blood Oath_ (dealing with the Narns)
JK> JK>>> won't be out
JK> JH>> Considering what I keep hearing about them, doesn't sound
JK> JH>> like it'll be a loss.
JK>> I suppose not. Still, it would be nice to have some new B5
JK>> fiction to read during the six-month drought between new
JK>> episodes, now wouldn't it? I guess the comics will have to
JK>> serve during this time... *sigh*
JH> Well, they'll serve for me... finally got back on Voices.
JH> Thinking about it, I don't think it's so bad that most of it
JH> will be on Earth; after all one of the reasons for the comic
JH> was said so that they could show parts of the B5 universe that
JH> they couldn't afford to do on the show, and Earth should be
JH> much the same. The show can't cover *everything*, after all.
This is certainly what one would think, right? :) The comics have been a
lot more entertaining and informative, as far as I am concerned, than the
novels. But this is something that I think is much harder to do with the
novels. John Vornholt and JMS both said that the third novel has been delayed
because of the corrections and modifications that had to be made to it, likely
based on the Narn lore and canon. _Voices_ was an entertaining read, imo, but
I'll never think of the book as canon.
JH> I don't suppose you can get a copy of the full JMS/Claudia
JH> interview that was in the letter column to #7, could you?
JH> Great stuff there. Oh, and if you could get that GIF...
I haven't got my copy of the seventh issue of the comic, yet, but I know
the interview you're referring to. If Nicolai is willing, I'll post the whole
thing here on the echo...but it'll be some nine or so posts in length, iirc.
John
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Msg : 223 of 322
From : Marc Zingarelli 1:226/110 .тp 13 .юн 95 14:30
To : Jack Butler
Subj : Highlander Novels
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JACK BUTLER was overheard talking in "Joe's" about Highlander Novels and
said:
JB> Okay, here's the scoop. The first Highlander novel, "The Element of
JB>Fire" by Jay Henders, will be out around October. The second novel,
JB>"Scimitar" by Ashley McConnell, will be released after that.
Another thing to wait through a boring summer for! Thanks for the info
Later
Marc
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Msg : 224 of 322
From : John Kahane 1:163/198.5 .тp 13 .юн 95 18:55
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : Vorlon Immortality 3
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In a message of , Jeff Hancock scribed:
JK>> There's been all kinds of speculations, Jeff...things
JK>> about angels, and the like - but Joe has said that only
JK>> one person has actually guessed the truth about the Vorlons.
JK>> And he wouldn't say who...
JH> Hmmmm...did he say anything else, such as that the person
JH> had said it on the usenet conference?
No, not really. But given that the stuff he says on GEnie, CIS, and other
places usually filters down to the usenet level, it could have been anyone. That
said, I believe that it may have been someone on Usenet. But folks have been
posting about B5 since "The Gathering" came out, and it could have been someone
way back in late 1993 or early 1994.
JH> You could work it in reverse and review all the ideas
JH> posted and eliminate all the ones that multiple people have
JH> suggested or agree with. ;-)
No way, Jeff...I'd have to go through all the mail that has been posted in
the rasftvb5 and other newsgroups for at least two years. Not for love, but for
money, maybe... :)
JH> Anyway, judging by the #7 lettercol, we will know in October.
Joe's been saying this for a while now, Jeff. Actually, he said this when
he discussed the final eight episodes (before we knew about the October delay
and all). You really should get back on the B5 Echo regularly, if nothing else.
:)
JK> JK>>> we don't know all that much about some of the races,
JK> JK>>> although there have been hints in the medical episodes
JK> JK>>> about physiologies
JK> JH>> About how they would recognize Kosh as an ancient one?
JK> JH>> I'm not following. You mean it's something physical?
JK>> I suspect so. Remember Kyle's reaction to Kosh in "The
JK>> Gathering"? There's also the bit that was posted here from
JK>> the scene
JH> Not really. But I don't get what you're saying here... I
JH> don't mean how Kosh looks, you suggested that alien
JH> physiologies had something to do with how they would recognize
JH> Kosh as a First One, or something like that... I'm still not
JH> sure what, and I think a vital quote got cut out somewhere
JH> along the way (must not have seemed vital at the time).
Nope, no quotes got cut. My whole point here is that, contrary to popular
opinion, I don't think Kosh is going to be an angel or any sort of religious
figure. Something that Dr. Kyle saw (and possibly Lyta Alexander saw) when he
looked into the Vorlon's encounter suit - about the Vorlon's physiological
appearance - is important to the discovery/revelation of what Kosh looks like.
But I'm in the dark as much as anyone else as to taking a guess as to what Kosh
looks like and what the important physiological trait might be.
JK>> that was cut from the 2-hour movie, where Kyle talks to
JK>> Laurel Takashima, and tells her that he's "been changed"
JK>> by what he saw. Something to think about.
JH> Not as badly as Delenn. ;)
True, but Delenn's transformation comes from religious belief, I think,
and a firm committment to Valen's prophecy. Whatever she saw in Kosh influenced
the decision, but it's also possible that Kosh may well have manipulated Delenn.
He's certainly done a lot of manipulating in the series so far. :)
JH> I just don't see how they're going to show Kosh and have us,
JH> the viewing audience, immediately undergo some form of
JH> revelation and understand what all the puzzle pieces
JH> concerning Kosh throughout the series to date add up to,
JH> without falling back on some form of cliche or being totally
JH> confusing and not providing those answers.
I just hope that most of the folks won't be disappointed in what Kosh is,
given the hype that's leading up to this revelation. Personally, I hope it's
something that is very science fiction-y.
JK> JK>>> "Confessions and Lamentations" had one of these as well,
JK> JK>>> in a Lousy joke, though...
JK> JK>>> Do you suppose this is the homeworld that JMS said
JK> JK>>> would be destroyed? I thought it would be that of a
JK> JK>>> major race.
JK>> Yes, the Markab homeworld is the one that was meant by
JK>> Joe.
JH> I sense a discussion between you and Chris very shortly. ;-)
Actually, there doesn't have to be a discussion between me and Chris about
this at all. Since I posted the original message to you on this one, I've had
