RM> the rest...
You're right of course, and there'd only be one good reason to void all
those books (whether Lucas liked them or not) - to set the stage for a third
trilogy after RotJ. My impression (based on all the rumors going around) is
that Lucas has no immediate plans for such a third trilogy. Therefore I'll
believe the 'book-voiding' part when I see it.
RM> Yeah...I'd like to hear what was writen in the sourcebooks...and
RM> what exactly are the source books? Are they gosple? or another point of
RM> contention?
The sourcebooks are background material and role-playing games statitics for
Star Wars The Roleplaying Game from West End Games, each sourcebook being
based on a novel other segment of Star Wars, ie. Heir to The Empire source-
book, Dark Force Rising Sourcebook, The Rebel Alliance sourcebook etc.
On page 3, in the small print no less, some of them say "This and all
other products that take place after the events depicted in Return of the
Jedi are the author's vision... the true fate of... the Star Wars universe
remains the exclusive province of George Luces..."
As for gospel, it's my impression that very little besides the movies
themselves are gospel, namely the radio plays and original novelizations
(source - A Guide to The STAR WARS universe). And even within these works,
there's a few glaring contradictions.
RM> I'll keep reading the novels...they're fun, and at times good
RM> Star Wars.
Sure - they're just starting to cause a definitive sense of Deja Vue,
as well as having increasing continuety problems.
Mvh. Bo
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Msg : 51 of 233
From : Eric Fishbein 1:322/360 .ķá 27 .īp 96 00:26
To : The Raven
Subj : DR. WHO
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Ah, eh, ur, FOX "has hit more times than it's missed"? That's not
really saying too much is it? I'm talking quality and not quantity, and in that
respect FOX has failed miserably (as has all the other broadcast networks).
I don't much care for the X-Files, or Space Marines or whatever it's
called and I'm pretty apathetic towards Sliders, so any halfway decent sci-fi on
FOX raises their approval level with me 100%, and so far it's still 0.
I'm sorry if I'm still hung up on their "news magazine", "Alien Corpse:
Real or Hoax". Ahem, Mr. Murdock? My IQ is larger than my shoesize, but I'm
sure you feel the same way towards everybody...
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Msg : 52 of 233
From : Eric Fishbein 1:322/360 .ķá 27 .īp 96 00:33
To : Peter Tam
Subj : Sci-Fi TV Complaints
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Don't get me wrong, I'm happy there's much more sci-fi on TV than there
usually is, but most of it is unfortunately geared towards morons (or at least
it seems that way). Of course, this is the general problem with TV in that the
biggest market is kids, and the shows are geared in that direction.
Star Trek is the one good exception to this, where they try and continue
the tradition that Roddenberry started, by commenting on the present from the
future. They've lost a lot of their bite over the years, and I think ST is
falling prey to the "too much of a good thing" factor. I'm really starting to
get bored with it (as many of my friends are) and we seem to be turning alot
more to B5 for or sci-fi fix. I think one ST series would have been plenty (and
I'm not talking about DS:9 either...).
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Msg : 53 of 233
From : Thomas Gladwin 2:500/249.24 .îí 22 .īp 96 18:08
To : Bob Klahn
Subj : HIGHLANDER NEWS!
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
19-Apr-96 17:04:00, Bob Klahn wrote to The Raven
Subject: HIGHLANDER NEWS!
BK> victories. Newbies like Richie would be nothing but lunchmeat. There is
BK> also
BK> no indication how the immortals 'power' would enable them to rule
BK> anything.
Yeah, I always wondered about that; they don't suddenly start fighting any
better or anything...
BK> If there is no logic, no sense, to the show it's just more escapist
BK> fantasy.
Ach, it's a series about people who don't die unless you cut off their
head and then spout lightning. There's really not much logic in it, but
you have to see if the internal logic is good, and the producers are
true to that.
BK> The producers may set the rules as far as their intentions go, but I am
BK> being nice enough to consider the show in terms other than the rather
BK> foolish rules they came up with. The way you are looking at it it's much
Without those rules the show would be boring though. Just like living forever
would be if you didn't have the hobby of flashing about with swords.
BK> Think of it like this, I am trying to formulate a theory that allows
BK> some
BK> kind of sense to the whole series. Their 'rules' are really incredibly
BK> dumb.
The rules, again, are just to make an interesting series, not be logical.
You know, I made up a Highlander-theory; there's a finite amount of Earth-
based energy, an "immortality-flux" which certain people can pick up; the
less immortals there are, the fewer people the energy is divided into. So,
once there is ONLY ONE, there's no energy left for new immortals. Howzat?
Anyway, the whole raison d'etre of the series is hearing Duncan McCloud
go "I am Doencun MacClood of the Claen MacClood". Brilliant!
-=> Yours sincerely, Thomas Gladwin <=-
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Msg : 54 of 233
From : Barton Paul Levenson 1:129/26 .cę 28 .īp 96 07:50
To : Lawrence E Dunlap
Subj : Puppeteer planet
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The novel "Ringworld" has Nessus as a major character and includes scenes on the
Puppeteer home world.
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Msg : 55 of 233
From : Mark Jones 1:105/302.47 .ōp 23 .īp 96 23:38
To : The Raven
Subj : Deep Space Nine
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (20 Apr 96) The Raven wrote to All...
TR> It has pretty much always been my opinion that the modern
TR> incarnations of Trek were pretty okay....
TR> I just got done watching the latest Deep Space Nine Episode,
TR> "Hard Time".
TR> Pure caviar.
TR> I must give my congratulations to Colm Meany. They gave him the
TR> script, and he ran for the hills with it. He got a chance to
TR> prove that he actually can act beyond mouthing technobabble
TR> (there was, remarkably, little of it in this episode); those of
TR> us who had seen him in "The Snapper" already knew his
TR> capabilities, but its good to see it every now and again.
TR> The story was built on a unique premise, it was well-done by
TR> everyone involved, and at the end they didn't resort to that most
TR> frequent of Trek Storytelling Crimes: "Everything is better now."
TR> In fact, they directly stated that O'Brien is going to have to
TR> deal with the consequences of this episode for a long, long time.
TR> So, to those out there who say that nothing Trek is ever good,
TR> all I can say is you know not of which you speak. Watch this
TR> episode.
TR> Pure caviar.
You got that right!
I was mightily impressed with this story. I know I don't often
have a lot of good things to say about Trek--but this one was
terrific. And for all the reasons you mentioned.
They began with a really interesting premise.
They ran with it.
O'Brien actually *changed* as a result of the events he
experienced. And many of the changes were unpleasant. (The small
bits were great--the way he was casually caching food during his
dinner with Keiko out of sheer habit was a nice touch.)
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Msg : 56 of 233
From : Mark Jones 1:105/302.47 .ōp 23 .īp 96 23:55
To : Eric Fishbein
Subj : Voyager Doc?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (18 Apr 96) Eric Fishbein wrote to Frank Glover...
EF> But going back to my original point, if the Doc is self-aware,
EF> and since the Doc is part of the computer, and the computer controls
EF> the ship, doesn't that make the Voyager self-aware too?
EF> Come on people, don't leave me hangin' on this one...
I've been asking that question since Moriarty's first appearance on
ST:TNG.
Obviously the Federation *can* create sentient computers--Dr.
Daystrom did it in the original series way back in the '60's. I can
only conclude that the lack of self-aware computers in Federation
space is a deliberate choice on the part of the Federation. (They've
had bad luck dealing with them....)
So, since the Enterprise's computer can generate AIs on the
holodeck, I can only conclude that:
1. The ship's computer is self-aware and always has been; they just
never bothered to tell us. No, I don't think so.
2. The ship *could* be self-aware but is equipped with "governors",
but a loophole in the software permitted Moriarty to achieve
self-awareness anyhow. This one is more plausible.
3. The ship's computer is self-aware but the crew DOESN'T KNOW. And
the computer doesn't *want* them to know--because it knows how the
Federation has always treated AIs in the past....
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Msg : 57 of 233
From : Frank Glover 1:2613/477 .cę 28 .īp 96 19:02
To : Peter Tam
Subj : Re: sci-fi cartoons
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PT> How 'bout 'The Galaxy Trio'?
Correction to my earlier reply. After a little looking back, I realized that
The Galaxy Trio was an NBC (I tended to stick with CBS saturday toons then.)
series, contemporary with the original Herculoid stories, and were also a
Hanna=Barbera product. Didn't see it often, but enjoyed it when I did.
I was confusing them with some other group of youn heroes that often shared
stories with The Herculoids and Space Ghost in more recent (late seventies?)
shows that didn't impress me as much as the original material. Similar feelings,
BTW about the original 1965 or so Jonny Quest as opposed to his newer
incarnations. (The feature length Quest stories on TBS recently haven't been
*too* bad, though. It'll be the last time we see him as an 11-12 year old, too.
Next time, I understand they'll crank Jonny, Hadji and Jessie up to 16-17...)
Frank
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