KA> Sure thing. The stories, if read in "chronological" order, preoceed
KA> thusly:
KA> Prelude to Foundation
KA> Forward the Foundation
KA> Foundation
KA> Foundation and Empire
KA> Second Foundation
KA> Foundation's Edge
KA> Foundation and Earth
KA> Oddly enough, this is not the order in which the books were written. The
KA> first two books on the list were the last two written.
OEO> True. Indeed, the original (and, to my mind, only worthwhile)
OEO> Foundation books, Foundation, Foundation And Empire and Second
OEO> Foundation were written in the early 1940, and all the others produced
OEO> over 40 years later, in what I believe to be a misguided attempt to
OEO> join up the Foundation and Robots series. I find that they add nothing
OEO> to the grand vision of the originals, and indeed take away from them in
OEO> many cases.
OEO> CFN, O
FMBI but I saw the subject and couldn't resist reading, This series are
old favorites of mine. How are the 2 pre Foundation books ?
I have always ben a bit turned off by the idea of prequels so never read them.
I did like the idea of joining the Robots series with Foundation though.
Always liked Daniel :) Funny thing though can't stand the idea of
Data from STNG.
Did Asimov do any work on the series in the forward direction, ie after
F&E ? I seen that the copyright is '86 on that. May be something post humos
will come out.
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Msg : 223 of 300
From : Robert Parson 1:3822/1 .ōp 21 Hî˙ 95 14:19
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : RE: VIR COTTO
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JEFF had this to say
RP>> Lennier provides not only a sounding board, but also a manner
RP>>to pass along information that might prove valuable in The Great War.
RP>>He would be in an extremely sensitive position, to say the least, and
RP>>he is openly hostile to Morden.
JH> When did Lennier meet Morden?
JH> Does Lennier even know who Morden IS? One would suppose Delenn would
JH> have told him, but we don't know that.
Oops. My mistake. I meant to say that Vir would be in a sensitive position
to provide information to Lennier, and Vir is openly hostile to Morden.
Sorry 'bout that.
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Msg : 224 of 300
From : Ruby Tuesday 1:243/45 .ōp 21 Hî˙ 95 18:23
To : All
Subj : canadian stuff
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has anybody come across any science fictin with "Canadian
content" that's worthwhile?
thanks,
Ruby Tuesday
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Msg : 225 of 300
From : Don Bach 1:3632/65 .ōp 21 Hî˙ 95 19:49
To : Starwolf
Subj : Time Tunnel
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S> Yah, the Tunnel set was impressive, even with those
S> cheezy Irwin Allen blinky-winkies(tm) everywhere.
Remember, this was created in the '60s. It wasn't until the early '80s that
blinky lights began disappearing from computers - some still have them. I
purchased an external modem just so I could watch them.
Actually, the lights are supposed to display the contents of selected memory
locations (on=1, off=0). They look real pretty when the program is running. A
good operator could tell if the program was running correctly by the light
sequence. When a crash occurs, they are invaluable in detecting crash location
and memory contents when the crash occured.
The lights on the "computer" equipment in the Allen shows were larger than life,
but if you had seen an actual computer room of that vintage, it is not far out
of place.
The Kennedy Space Center, Titusville, FL, has a simulated launch of a '60s space
mission (Apollo, I think) set in the original control room. The blinky lights
are a lot like the ones Allen used.
Don
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Msg : 226 of 300
From : Darre LuAllen 1:3637/1 .pä 22 Hî˙ 95 15:37
To : David Hilling
Subj : Favorites
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On 11-18-95 David Hilling sent to All... (and I somehow intercepted it)
DH> Are there any other Robert Heinlein fans out there? All this TV
DH> SF stuff is all well and good, but books are fun, too.
You know, some of this TV SF stuff could easily be conpared to R.A.H.
In fact, Space: Above and Beyond reminds me of Starship Troopers something
fierce. Yes, I am a Heinlein fan. I can't say that I have read everything
that he has written, but I have enjoyed most of what I've read. Funny thing:
I still haven't finished Stranger or Time Enough for Love. Loved M.'s
Children (can't spell today...have to fake it.). I would love to discuss this
master in detail. Just remember, I haven't read any of his works in about
five years (bad me...bad me). I love his attitudes toward writing and the
business in general. Trying to take the same attitude about my own writing.
Of course, it's kinda hard when you don't have the nerve to submit anything.
As for the other authors you mentioned, I can't say that I've read them. A
friend pawned Warlock in Spite of Himself off on me once.
"Read this. You'll like it, especially since you're in the S.C.A."
"I'll try. No promises."
And a good thing that. I'm the type of person who either gets into a book
within the first few chapters or doesn't get into it at all. I just could
not get into the book. Perhaps it was my frame of mind at the time. In any
case, I never did manage to read it. Finally gave up and gave him the book
back. Of course, I did the same thing with Errol Flynn's auto-bio and I'm a
big fan of his old movies (but I digress...).
Anyway, I'd love to hear your opinion on various Heinlein (or others if I have
read them or not) sories. By the way, what did you think of Puppet Masters?
Until my star again
passes this way,
- Darre LuAllen
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Msg : 227 of 300
From : Darre LuAllen 1:3637/1 .pä 22 Hî˙ 95 15:55
To : David Reffitt
Subj : Re: Vir Cotto
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My appologies for putting my snout into this discussion, but here I go...
On 11-19-95 David Reffitt wrote to Jeff Hancock...
DR> Very interesting point. So, they would not consider givinng the job to
DR> Vir?
The thing to remember is that Vir is a lowly attache and Londo is an
Ambassador. If Londo were to die before the show finished, then someone
more capable (i.e., someone with a higher social standing) would receive the
job. In fact, the Centarum does not even want Vir to be Londo's assistant.
In one episode (I forget which one), they sent a replacement. But Londo
pulled strings and got Vir his job back (although we never saw this
replacement).
Also to consider, the Centarum are more corrupt than most of the gov'ts
currently on Earth (you decide). So, factors like Bribery and Blackmail
would come into play. As Vir considers himself above such things (or below
as the Centari would consider him), he would not stand a chance for the job.
Of course, this is all a moot point since Vir would hop the next Flyer to
Minbar if he thought that the Centarum was trying to give him the job.
As always, this is my humble opinion, based on what I read into the show and
Earther politics and societies.
Trying to achieve oneness with
myself (with lots of Brevara)
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Msg : 228 of 300
From : Chris Carter 1:105/290.23 .åō 23 Hî˙ 95 03:50
To : Ken Mayes
Subj : B5 -- Coincidence?
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On (20 Nov 95) Ken Mayes wrote to Chris Carter...
CC> It has been said before that B5 has taken elements from ST,
CC> and now I'm just relating that to the same being said of
CC> anime. In both cases, I think these assertions are untrue.
KM> I really think you should watch the Yamato/Star Blazers
KM> episode in question. You'll find that Babylon 5 followed the
KM> plot line almost scene for scene.
Still, this is more likely to be a simple matter of parallel
development, given that epic stories often have similar elements to
them, particularly when both the stories in question are of the same
genre. I honestly do not believe that JMS has ever lifted anything
from any anime. I do admit that there is no ready way to prove that
he *didn't* lift stuff, but I've been given little reason not to
believe JMS when he claims not to have been exposed to something.
KM> I have noticed a lot of similarities between B-5 and Yamato,
KM> even the designs of some of the Earth ships look suspicious.
KM> The Aggamemnon looks like the Alexi Leanov from 2010,
The Agamemnon/Leonov design is considered, afaik, to be a practical
design for a spaceship requiring simulated gravity. The
similarities are no surprise, and still aren't really indicative of
borrowing.
KM> but the Earth Cruiser from the first season episode when that
KM> old Minbari went down to the planet and the hostile aliens
KM> came to try and claim it looked like it could have come right
KM> out of Blazers, gun turrets and all.
Another thing to consider: Starship design for B5 is not
necessarily a matter of JMS having been influence by anime. After
all, he's not the guy who is actually in direct charge of CGI
production. I'm sure he's thrown a few ideas at the folks at
Foundation Imaging, but if you want to claim that someone's been
lifting ship designs from anime, you'd be more likely to be correct
if you pointed the finger at the folks at Foundation Imaging.
They're much more likely to have been influenced by anime (being
interested in fresh visual concepts) than JMS.
KM> Not trying to pick a fight, just making a friendly
KM> observation. :-)
Me too. :)
Chris - carter@teleport.com
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