they ended with showing the picture at the end. I may be wrong but I
don't think he was "in on it."
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Msg : 266 of 300
From : Frank Glover 1:2613/477 .īķ 20 Hī˙ 95 21:27
To : Ken Mayes
Subj : Re: B5 -- Coincidence?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
KM> Again second season: Episode 5. After blasting their way
KM> through the dockyard gates and escaping into space with the Argo, the
KM> EDF dispatches the flagship of the fleet, The Andromeda to retrieve
KM> the Argo. (Again shades of Star Trek III.)
There's a similar scene in `Enemy Mine.' As I watched it, I remember
thinking;"Hmmm. Fleet officer steals ship, breaks out of space station to go
back to a world to rescue his non-human friend. A tad familiar."
But more basically, there are some basic story plots that unavoidably get
re-told. Espically the lone individual (often a young man) who struggles against
great odds to defeat a supremely powerful enemy. StarWars and Willow immediately
come to mind, but there are examples going back millenia.....
And that's okay, as long as the newest re-telling is still entertaining.
Frank
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Msg : 267 of 300
From : Frank Glover 1:2613/477 .īķ 20 Hī˙ 95 21:42
To : Chris Ogniben
Subj : Re: Questions, But Are T
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
CO> through out space. I don't see a acutal star ship using warp
CO> capabilities in real space. There is no way that is going to happen.
CO> And, probably would take 3000 to 4000 years to happen. If it were
CO> possible, which i say it's not. And, i still don't see any future
CO> designs of space ships to be like star ships in star trek. But, i
CO> feel
CO> more interested in what i see with Babylon 5.. Spinning space
CO> statios,
CO> and fuel depo's in space, and ships that are capable of using solar
CO> energy to power batteris and life support systems. And, to be able
CO> to
CO> travel long distances. But, i don't see anything that i see in star
CO> trek become reality.. Because, star trek is stupid. I mean, i could
So...warp drives don't impress you, but jump gates and hyperspace are okay?
Almost any story involving large interstellar distances must invoke *some*
form of faster than light travel. Right now, we have only the barest hints on
the fringes of physics that such a thing might be possible. (And many will still
flatly say it's not.) But if you don't want travel and military engagements to
take years or decades, you make the most reasonable sounding form of FTL you
can, and go from there.
Remember, while many things in all of SF end up actually coming to pass,
neither Star Trek, Babylon 5 or anything else pretend to *predict* the future.
They just try to tell good stories in a future setting.....
Frank
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Msg : 268 of 300
From : Frank Glover 1:2613/477 .īķ 20 Hī˙ 95 21:51
To : The Raven
Subj : Re: Questions, But Are T
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
TR> BW> 2. Nuclear power is extremely dangerous, and it kinda leaves
TR> BW> radiation behind.
TR>
TR> So does sunlight. Your point was?
TR>
TR> Just to let you know, the maximum exposure reached at Three Mile
TR> Island
TR> during the entirety of the "crisis" at that reactor was less than
TR> half that
TR> received by just sitting anywhere in the US Capitol Building for two
TR> minutes.
TR> There are ways of handling radioactives that make them a hell of a
TR> lot less
TR> dangerous than, say, internal combustion.
TR>
TR> Jack Butler
Indeed. Solar enthusiasts (and I do consider myself one) should remember that
the Sun (and any other star) is a natural *unshielded* fusion reactor. That's
why space crews in SF and reality are always wary of solar flare storms, and why
we down here worry about ozone depletion. That's where the hard ultraviolet
comes from, after all....
And then there are those who sit out in the Sun (like mad dogs and
Englishmen) and *invite* skin damage.
Nothing's perfectly safe, and the danger's not always what we think it is.
Frank
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Msg : 269 of 300
From : David Little 1:106/7315 .pä 22 Hī˙ 95 22:02
To : Ed Brannin
Subj : red dwarf
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-=<( Ed Brannin used the Jedi Mind Trick on me! )>=-
EB> anyone here like red dwarf?
DL> Yo!! Whatcha wanna converse about?!?
EB> nnothing much. u see last episode on pbs channel 21? i forgot 2
EB> tape it.
Channel 21 is ESPN...I'm in a different city and state than you are!
PBS here is channel 8.
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Msg : 270 of 300
From : Mark David 1:243/86 .åņ 23 Hī˙ 95 17:12
To : Bianca Wesslak
Subj : Re: Questions, But Are T
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
BW> 1. we will not be able to go very far on large tanks of fuel
That's very sweeping. Are you familiar enough with the feild to
make that statement?
BW> 2. Nuclear power is extremely dangerous, and it kinda leaves radiation
BW> behind.
Nuclear power is the safest form of energy production yet devised. The
radiation 'it leaves behind' is mostly harmless except for the one percent or
so of truly dangerous waste substances. It is easily and cheaply disposed of,
though, so there can be no rational argument against it.
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Msg : 271 of 300
From : Mark David 1:243/86 .åņ 23 Hī˙ 95 17:19
To : Chris Ogniben
Subj : Re: Questions, But Are T
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
CO> It would suck to have a future with matter antimatter reactors.
I don't think that that would be possible, though I say that with trepidation
(Ruthorford said power from the atom was impossible; when in comes to the
future, you'd best hedge your bets).
But as a propulsion system, it would the best we could come up with with what
we are capable of. The only problem which would arise would be the sheer
amount of power required to produce antimatter.
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Msg : 272 of 300
From : Mark David 1:243/86 .åņ 23 Hī˙ 95 17:31
To : The Raven
Subj : Re: Questions, But Are T
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
TR> Just to let you know, the maximum exposure reached at Three Mile Islan
TR> during the entirety of the "crisis" at that reactor was less than half that
TR> received by just sitting anywhere in the US Capitol Building for two minute
TR> There are ways of handling radioactives that make them a hell of a lot less
TR> dangerous than, say, internal combustion.
I wonder what she would make of the fact that roughly 10,000 die every year
worldwide as a result of coal-fired plants, and I wonder how she would
react when she discovers EPA regulations on domestic radiation are 40x higher
than those placed on nuclear power plants.
I hope she doesn't turn to acupuncture when she find out that whenever someone
is operated on, they are injected with gamma-emitting radioactive substances
and that the needle used to do it must by law be treated like 'low-level
radioactive waste'. I wonder how she will feel about being 'low-level
radioactive waste'?
And her watch face painted with tritium, the radiation pouring out of the
stones in her house, the radioactive gases accumulating in her bedroom...
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Msg : 273 of 300
From : Mark David 1:243/86 .åņ 23 Hī˙ 95 17:51
To : Bianca Wesslak
Subj : Re: Questions, But Are T
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
BW> Oh ever hear of radiation poisoning.
Oh, I've heard of it, many times, but all of them in Greenpeace propaganda.
NO ONE, as in ZERO, as in NADA people have died from radioactive waste.
BW> case in point, the russians that
BW> were in the epicenter and the surrounding are of chenobyl. Not to mention
BW> now that because of nuclear bombs and chenobyl every baby born now has som
BW> plutonium in their lungs.
Oh yeah? Did the Greenpeace pamphlet you got this from mention in what
concentration this plutonium is found in the lungs of these poor babes?
BW> We also have radioactive stuff in our
BW> stratosphere that takes way to long to become safe.
Not only in our stratosphere, but in the very air we breath; every breath you
take sucks in radon and other radiactive gasses. If your backyard is the
average size of 1/10 of an acre, you would uncover over 7000 kg of radiactive
materials if you dug it up to a depth of 1 meter. Our atmosphere soaks in
enough radioactive cosmic rays in a few seconds that would kill you several
times over unprotected.
83% of it is natural. Of the man-made sources, nuclear power plants acount for
about 0.01%
But your Greenpeace pamphlet assuredly let you in on all this.
BW> Some of the nuclear
BW> energy that we are messing around with and that we would have to use has w
BW> to long half life spans. some of the half life that it would take would b
BW> many thousands of years in the future. Probably wouldn't be stable until
So? The evil substances you are talking about, the high-level gamma-emitting
wastes account for 99% of the radioactivity, but only 1% of the mass. The
problems with disposing it are legion--but none of them are technical or
financial; they are emotional and political.
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Msg : 274 of 300
From : Steven Wesen 1:271/236 .˙ņ 24 Hī˙ 95 08:25
To : Nancy Crockett
Subj : Re: red dwarf
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.TID: GE 1.11+
Yes they are working on Series 7 and 8 with 2 Christmas Specials.