JH> the season finale. ;) The main reason given for the Dominion not
JH> attacking is because Odo chooses to remain with them ... but that
JH> doesn't stop them from infiltration and trying to get the Alpha
JH> Quadrant races to destroy themselves.
Odo didn't really kill the Changeling, it was a copout making it fall
back against the warp coil. They *SHOULD* have had Odo kill the
Changeling. Instead, as is unfortunately normal, Berman and company
wimped out and made it an accident. What could have been, and should
have been a significant point in Odo's life where he was forced to
choose between his heritage and his duty (not like anyone would wonder
which he would choose), he saved the day in a typical Wesley-esque
maneuver that illustrates clearly all the worst things in the Star Trek
universe.
JH> They have. But they refuse to take him by force, and used trickery
JH> instead; which failed.
That has to be the most ridiculous argument I have ever heard. If so,
then why doesn't the Federation just start sending ships into the
Dominion territory with Odo onboard? They wouldn't *DARE* shoot at
them, would they? Typical two dimensional characterization
JH> Going by Trek history, you would be right. However, they've already
JH> shown a tendency to deviate from history. Odds are on you, but I
JH> wouldn't call it a sure thing.
I *AM* right. You know, I have this on-going bet with my parents about
the Chicago Cubs winning the World Series. I bet it will never happen
and they bet it will. I haven't lost yet and I have a better chance of
losing *THAT* bet than I do of Star Trek writers ever producing a decent
show.
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Msg : 15 of 57
From : Brian Henderson 1:207/804 .īķ 10 .žė 95 02:23
To : Frank Eva
Subj : Ds9 Season 4
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
FE> As you can see, I am not all that enthused about a Star Trek that
FE> relies heavily on the concept of armed conflict to find an audience.
FE> If that's the direction DS9 is taking, that's just another nail in
FE> its coffin for me...
And, if they don't wimp out, a nail *OUT* of the coffin for me. I don't
respect a show that relies on violence for it's audience, but I have
absolutely no respect for a show that hides from violence and pretends
that it doesn't exist when it is called for.
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Msg : 16 of 57
From : Brian Henderson 1:207/804 .īķ 10 .žė 95 02:26
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : Micro Machines
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
JH> I hope this doesn't bode ill for B5 material in general. I haven't
JH> gotten a piece of B5 merchandise yet I haven't had to special-order
JH> in some way, including the books...
No, actually it bodes quite well because it is selling out everywhere.
Exactly the same thing happened to the B5 soundtrack, which stores have
not been able to keep in stock.
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Ivanova, B5
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Msg : 17 of 57
From : Brian Henderson 1:207/804 .īķ 10 .žė 95 01:56
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : St Vs. B5
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
JH> But Paramount can't interfere with Warner's contract with JMS or
JH> with PTEN in any way? (aside from putting pressure on syndicated
JH> stations) That's a relief.
Actually, I was wrong. Warner owns the rights to Babylon 5, but JMS
owns the rights to the story that has not yet been filmed. He could
take the story and go elsewhere, he just couldn't call it B5.
And, interestingly enough, Paramount tried to bring pressure to bear
against B5 last season when they started telling TV stations that if
they aired B5, they would not be allowed to show Star Trek. It didn't
work and was a stupid move, both from a legal and a corporate
standpoint.
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Windows?
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Msg : 18 of 57
From : Brian Henderson 1:207/804 .īķ 10 .žė 95 01:58
To : Craig Palme
Subj : Voyager Nose Diving?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
CP> Hmmm. I see you like B5 also. Too bad Paramont didn't take that
CP> instead of DS9 when they had the chance.
Nah, I'm glad Paramount didn't get their meathooks on B5. It would
never have been the kind of show it is today if they had.
I'll take a lower budget and good writing over Star Trek any day.
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X RM 1.3 X Eval Day -17 X Buddhist to salad vendor, "Make me One with
everything"
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Msg : 19 of 57
From : Emilio Ares 1:379/1 .åņ 13 .žė 95 14:52
To : Frank Glover
Subj : Re: Book Discusion Group
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: GE 1.11+
-=>Quoting Frank Glover to Kim Christiansen on 09 Jul 95 08:14:03 about Book
-=>Discusion Group<=-
KC> August Book
KC>
KC> Author: Robert Heinlen
KC> Title: Podkayne of Mars (the book with BOTH endings)
FG>
FG> Both endings? There's more than one version? What are the
FG> differences?
FG> Frank
FG>
In the originally submitted ending, Podkayne dies from the atomic bomb
blast.
Emilio
... Those 3 little words that mean so much: 'Klaatu barada nikkto'
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Msg : 20 of 57
From : Emilio Ares 1:379/1 .åņ 13 .žė 95 14:52
To : Greg Mcneil
Subj : Re: No room for Si-fi..
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: GE 1.11+
-=>Quoting Greg Mcneil to All on 07 Jul 95 22:00:00 about No room for
-=>Si-fi..<=-
GM> SO... what do I get in the mail today? Some assinine ad, stateing
GM> that TCI is going to start picking up the -- SEGA channel..
GM> No, No room for Science Fiction shows, but a 24 hour boob-tube game
GM> channel is something they have room for.
GM> And yes, they are going to charge extra for it..
How many home shopping channels does your cable company carry? Ours in
Charlotte, NC carries three by my last count. IMHO that's three too many.
I'd rather they used those channels for something more entertaining like
the History channel or the Tuner Classic Movies channel. Just about
anything bu infomercials and shopping.
Emilio
... "May all your desires be granted at once." -- Persian Curse
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Msg : 21 of 57
From : Andrew Clarke 1:109/369 .pä 12 .žė 95 03:08
To : Jason C Marshall
Subj : Re: Bionic What?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
JCM> So do I, I thought it was neat also. Wish it was still on. The
JCM> old cartoons were alot better. Remember G-Force? Starblazers? Captian
JCM> Harlock? Mighty Orbots?
As mentioned before...Bionic Six is on the Sci-Fi channel every morning (as
far as I know). Also G-Force is on the Cartoon Network all the time (in case
you didn't know already).
Andrew Clarke
... If a mime committed suicide with a gun, would it use a silencer?
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Msg : 22 of 57
From : Andrew Clarke 1:109/369 .pä 12 .žė 95 03:15
To : John Baker
Subj : Re: Quantum Black Holes?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
JB> Damn, did I misread Stephen Hawking? I -swear- he said
JB> they're possible. Actually what I remember is that he said
JB> they're NOT possible but exist anyway and that scares the
JB> hell out of him.
I read in a book about black holes 2 years ago that said a very small one could
exist...but it would only last for seconds...maybe less.
Andrew Clarke
... The best way to accelerate Windows is at escape velocity!
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Msg : 23 of 57
From : John Kahane 1:163/198.5 .óį 15 .žė 95 12:53
To : Frank Eva
Subj : Short B5 Season
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
In a message of , Frank Eva scribed:
FE> This note is in response to all here who want to try to paint
FE> a happy face on the postponement of the last 4 episodes of
FE> season 2...
Well, you are entitled to your opinion on this matter, Frank. :)
FE> I went back and counted the number of new episodes this
FE> season; there were just 17! How is it that ANY show produces
FE> only 17 episodes in an ENTIRE season?
You can't count, Frank. Starting with "Points of Departure" and going up
through "Confessions and Lamentations" there have been eighteen episodes in the
second season of BABYLON 5 to this point.
FE> B5 had 22 episodes in its 1st season! The X-Files had 26 this
FE> season! Is this what we can expect every year, that in order
FE> to be able to afford B5, the network will only pay for 17
FE> episodes?
I have no idea what you're talking about here, Frank. :) The final four
episodes of the Season Two material will be airing just before the start of the
third season. There *are* 22 episodes in the second season of B5, but PTEN has
decided to hold them off from the summer slot and put them into the sweeps
period of the fall.
For the record, JMS has said many times that he intends to have 22 episodes
for each of the five seasons of BABYLON 5, with the possible exception of Year
Five (and not even necessarily then).
FE> Juggling their schedule in order to avoid conflicting with
FE> the start of new episodes of competing series is the kind of
FE> rookie mistake we have come to expect out of PTEN, and now
FE> it's pretty much guaranteed another short year for B5 next
FE> season! Now try to put a good "spin" on this bad decision
FE> PTEN made!
Frankly, you've made two mistakes here. First of all, PTEN is not a
network in the classic sense of the term like NBC or CBS; they are a company
that sells a television show or whatever directly to individual stations and the
like. Thus, they don't directly compete in terms of when to show the new
episodes, since they can only make a suggestion to the stations to which they
sell the shows. If they don't get the complete episodes to the stations before
