BB> Places." I'm increasingly skeptical that Morden is the only
BB> human with whom the Shadows have been working.
BB>
BB> ASIDE: If this is right, then the current debate over who
BB> the traitor on B5 will turn out to be takes on a whole new
BB> twist. The comic series shows the Shadow-minions on Mars
BB> capable of mind-control over humans.
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Msg : 12 of 158
From : John Kahane 1:163/198.5 .ņp 20 .žķ 95 16:41
To : Brian Henderson
Subj : B5 Merchandise
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On , Brian Henderson wrote the following to Frank
Eva:
FE>> I always thought that given the choice, JMS could NOT turn
FE>> down an opportunity to cash in on his own product. I don't
FE>> blame him. If I had a popular property and could earn some
FE>> money off it, I wouldn't hesitate. I think what makes this
FE>> look bad is that prior to the offer, JMS took such a hard
FE>> line against franchising B5. He now looks a bit hypocritical...
BH> JMS has never, EVER said that there will be no marketing of
BH> B5 material, only that the show will drive the marketing, not
BH> the marketing driving the show.
And I, for one, applaud this decision on his point. Marketing should not
drive the show, as you point out, but there are those out there - no matter what
the tv series and whether it's sf or not - who will want merchandise for their
favourite series. Joe has kept the merchandising tasteful for BABYLON 5 to this
point, and I believe this is a good idea. No matter what the critics say about
it.
John
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Msg : 13 of 158
From : Bruce Baugh 1:105/290.50 .ņp 20 .žķ 95 17:41
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : Babylon 5 (PTEN)
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (18 Jun 95) Jeff Hancock wrote to Frank Eva...
JH> That episode was written by PAD, and we don't know how much
JH> input JMS had in the events therein. All we know is that PAD
JH> gave him the opportunity, and he spaced the bear. ;) The
JH> final scene where Sheridan wants it "all off the station" may
JH> have been PAD, may have been JMS, we don't know where PAD let
JH> him "have his say".
According to both JMS and PAD, actually, the spacing the bear was
JMS. So was the moment of perfect beauty.
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Msg : 14 of 158
From : Rumble 1:163/436 .pä 21 .žķ 95 12:08
To : Ecarey
Subj : BABYLON 5 (PTEN)
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Did you know how many people watch TOS of star trek? 20 million people! Its just
that for a network show it was considered bad. But for syndication it is a
triumph!
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Msg : 15 of 158
From : Tony Trujillo 1:280/9 .ņp 20 .žķ 95 12:05
To : Jack Butler
Subj : Re: Kilmer as Batman
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: GE 1.11+
JB> films don't know from Adam. Still, I have some ideas. I've long since
JB> retired the original wish list I posted oh so many years ago, but
JB> Dustin Hoffman as The Mad Hatter, Helena Bonham Carter as Poison Ivy,
JB> Alan Rickman as Maxie Zeus, Wesley Snipes as the Black Spider, Lance
JB> Henrikson as Ra's Al Ghul, Michael Biehn as Deadshot, and Patrick
JB> Stewart as Mister Zero would all do as villains. Also, I think John
JB> Goodman would do well as The Ventriloquist.
I'd love to see them use Poison Ivy in a Bat-movie!
BTW: John Goodman would make an excellent KING TUT! ;^)
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Msg : 16 of 158
From : Wayne Crow 1:3602/477 .pä 21 .žķ 95 10:06
To : Keith Stokes
Subj : CONGO
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
KS>Did anyone else like it? I just got back from seeing it with a
>group of about 20 people. Overall, the group gave it a 6 on a 1-10
>scale.
I saw the previews of "Congo". I thought it was pretty cool. I think
I'll go see it next week. Hope I ain't wasting my money.
Wayne
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Msg : 17 of 158
From : Jeff Hancock 1:3600/7 .ņp 20 .žķ 95 20:58
To : Ecarey
Subj : B5 RENEWED!
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
EC>>races just to create action figures and playsets, or if he was
EC>>making multiple spinoff series with no real point to them other than
EC>Of course, RIGHT NOW, he wouldn't be able to \sell\ "multiple spinoff
EC>series", whether there was a point to them or not. It's easy to be
EC>virtuous when nobody is trying to tempt you.
It was just an example. ;)
EC>RIGHT NOW, B5 has an awful lot of ancillary merchandise - books,
EC>comic books, Micromachines, caps, jackets - and it has only just come
EC>to the end of its second broadcast season. This much merchandise this
EC>soon is just not believable, unless the merchandising plan was
EC>developed in parallel with the series production plan.
This soon? Considering the time involved in running out the season, I
certainly would not go that far. Considering publishing time, the books
were probably planned fairly early, and the comic was probably planned
once it was clear they were going to get renewed for the second season,
the other items were probably arranged then as well. If it had died at
the end of the first season, I don't think we'd be seeing more than the
books.
Are these jackets especially made, or is it just stitching a logo patch
on an existing jacket? Caps and shirts are hardly something that takes
two years to bring to market. (and I never did get the cap I ordered)
EC>And if there really is good quality control [a theory NOT supported
EC>by the sloppiness of the novels, or the complaints I've seen here and
EC>elsewhere about the comics], that would argue even more strongly for
EC>the plans having already been \in place\ when the series first aired.
EC>You don't \get\ good control on a rush job.
IF they had been in place that early, two years for the start of the
show or three years for the premiere, that would most certainly NOT be a
"rush job" as you propose. Now if they didn't start getting into real
mechandising until the second season was a go, THEN that would support
your theory of it being a rush job, otherwise they had plenty of time to
get it right.
EC>> If the fans are asking for this kind of material, well...
EC>JMS has carefully cultivated the demand.
Yep, he did that all right. He produced a TV show that attracted a fan
base which then wanted other products related to the show. What a
sinister and dastardly plan that is, how DARE he create something that
others would want to show they enjoy by wearing T-shirts and buying
Micro Machines.
EC>But it does make the desperate attempts to make B5 marketing look
EC>Pure and Noble, while characterizing Trek marketing [which really did
EC>develop out of fan demand \first\, including widespread fan
EC>infringement on Paramount's Trek trademark] as wicked money-grubbing,
EC>look rather silly.
EC>And it's not JMS we see those foolish attempts from, either.
I think the point is that Trek seems to merchandise nearly *everything*,
in many cases what seems to be some rather inferior merchandise. How
much control they have over that I don't know, but considering that it's
Paramount I would think they have at least the _potential_ for more
control over it than JMS does. Word is that JMS has to personally
approve everything, but if there's product in the warehouse and he's
looking at a loss, how are we to know if he really has a choice in the
matter? Whereas Paramount would have the clout and the choice, but
wouldn't care.
For the books, at least that's being fixed now, whether he could change
it earlier is unknown. For the comics, I don't know if he has any
control over what creative team they assign to it or not. For the other
products... are you dissatisfied with the quality?
Now if we start seeing Sheridan action figures and Starfury toys with
"real light-up laser cannon and action-sounds" and Babylon 5 playsets
with "Ejecting Command Chair", then I'd agree it'd gone to hell in a
handbasket.
-=-
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Msg : 18 of 158
From : Jim Cushing 1:123/75 .īķ 19 .žķ 95 16:28
To : Louis Keser
Subj : Re: Highlander, The Movie (3)
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
LK> I disagree, the show is more confussing than the movies ever were.
I disagree, I started watching the series half way through the second season
and I find it better than the movies. I don't know how you can say that the
series is more confusing when you have 1 and 3 basically the same movie just
the villian has been changed to Kane. I won't even get into H-2
LK> And Connor is better than Duncan.
In what way? I think Adrian is better only because he has had three years
to get adjusted to the role of Duncan.
LK> Connor=Duncan. I guessed they changed the name when it became a series.
LK> If you saw the first movie, Connor has had alot of
Sorry but Conner was in the first episode along with Duncan and I do believe
Joe Dawson made some mention of Conner when he stated something like "its
a good thing your fellow clansman killed Kurgan"
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Msg : 19 of 158
From : Jim Cushing 1:123/75 .īķ 19 .žķ 95 16:28
To : Brian Henderson
Subj : Re: B5 Ripoff: Ds9
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
BH> Trekkies don't support anything that isn't Trek,
Bullshit Brian!
BH> so Paramount can either produce the Star Trek Network, or try producing
BH> something that people want to watch. Any bets on which one they'll try
