muzzle.
-- Nicolai Shapero, the Mad Russian Sysop of StormGate Aerie
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Msg : 176 of 249
From : James Walton 1:129/260 .pä 20 .āp 96 04:14
To : Frank Glover
Subj : Re: Starship Troopers
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
JW>> Too old. Ironside is a poor choice.
FG>
FG> Too old to be which character?
It was suggested that he would be the Juan Rico character, who is in his late
teens, early 20's. It was pointed out that Ironsides would make a good Sgt.
Zim.
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Msg : 177 of 249
From : James Walton 1:129/260 .pä 20 .āp 96 04:38
To : Angela Smith
Subj : National SF Clubs
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
AS> I belong to one of the "national" clubs myself nota local one...Who is
AS> Michael Swanwick ?? I usually read the Star Wars series, Jack Chalker,
AS> , some Star Trek, thanks to my
AS> aunt, and Anne McCaffrey of course...What do you do at your
AS> conventions???
Time to show the good people in this echo how uninformed I really am. I
didn't know that there were any "national" science fiction clubs. Tell me
about the one you belong to. What is the name, what are the benefits, and
how to join, etc.
Michael Swanwick isn't nearly as well known as he should be. He writes some
interesting stuff and has won the Nebula award. He won for "Stations of the
Tide" but I think "The Iron Dragon's Daughter" was better.
Jack Chalker was our GOH a few years ago and has come to ConFluence a couple
of times since. (The last 2 years he canceled at the last minute.)
And a national "Dragon Riders of Pern" group is run by some people who also
belong to my club. "Fort Weyr" is sanctioned by Anne McCaffery. (I
personally don't like Ms. McCaffery's writing, so I never joined the club.)
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Msg : 178 of 249
From : James Walton 1:129/260 .pä 20 .āp 96 04:41
To : Nicolai Shapero
Subj : Re: Starship Troopers
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
NS> On , James Walton (1:129/260) wrote to Nicolai Shapero:
NS> I don't remember Zim being referred to as being black (negro, remember
NS> the time Heinlein wrote it).
The only reason I recall this is that Samuel Delaney made a point of
mentioning both Rico and Zim in an essay he wrote. And I don't recall where
I read this essay.
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Msg : 179 of 249
From : JOHN ROSS 1:3400/23 .pä 20 .āp 96 16:05
To : ANGEL ARAQUISTAIN
Subj : Starship Troopers
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
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AA>John Rico is from Philippines (Asia).
AA>Greetings. Angel.
Actually I believe that Jaun Rico is from South America.
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Msg : 180 of 249
From : HTom Trites 1:282/62 .pä 20 .āp 96 22:53
To : Owen E. Oulton
Subj : Starship Troopers
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> little resemble the book. The lack of female Mobile Infantry
-> troopers is sure to be noticed. History and Moral Philosophy,
-> fully 10% of the written copy, is far from being politically
DJ> Interesting issue. Military service is required
DJ> for the vote. If women
DJ> are barred from combat duty then either they don't have the vote, or
DJ> have the vote without having to take the risks
DJ> that the other half do.
Women did serve in combat (or what we would consider combat; the
ship pilots were women, to make an example.) I don't remember there
being any female M.I.s, but I also don't remember a prohibition on
there being any. Perhaps they merely had segregated boot camps?
OEO> Government service is required for the vote. Military
OEO> service, IIRC, does get you the vote quicker, but non-
OEO> military servive will get you there as well.
Non-military service was assigned by teh military if they couldn't find
something else for you to do -- and they couldn't get you to quit. The
research labs, ... were staffed with military duty doers. I thought
that there were some civilians hired to wash bottles, and that those
persons were going to remain civilians?
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Msg : 181 of 249
From : Bill Clements 1:18/230 .pä 20 .āp 96 19:24
To : Kay Shapero
Subj : WRITERS
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
From the desk of a cynical old man...
On (16 Mar 96) KAY SHAPERO wrote to BILL CLEMENTS...
KS> Piper "touch" though. And the stuff they wrote AFTER GKW wasn't very
^^^^^
Stuff? STUFF! What stuff ... I wasn't aware of any stuff ...
Seriously, I wasn't aware of anything beyond GKW. If you, or
someone, will supply me with the titles I will read them and
judge them for myself. Given, of course, that I can find them.
--RWC
"Be wary of alcohol. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -and miss." --LL
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Msg : 182 of 249
From : Bill Clements 1:18/230 .pä 20 .āp 96 19:24
To : Kay Shapero
Subj : WRITERS
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
From the desk of a cynical old man...
On (16 Mar 96) KAY SHAPERO wrote to BILL CLEMENTS...
KS> Piper "touch" though. And the stuff they wrote AFTER GKW wasn't very
^^^^^
Stuff? STUFF! What stuff ... I wasn't aware of any stuff ...
Titles please. Seriously, I wasn't aware of anything beyond GKW.
If you, or someone, will supply me with the titles I will read
the books and judge them for myself. Given, of course, that I can
find them.
"Be wary of alcohol. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -and miss." --LL
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Msg : 183 of 249
From : Bill Clements 1:18/230 .pä 20 .āp 96 19:24
To : David Johnston
Subj : STARSHIP TROOPERS
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
From the desk of a cynical old man...
On (17 Mar 96) DAVID JOHNSTON wrote to BILL CLEMENTS...
DJ> Interesting issue. Military service is required for the vote. If
DJ> women are barred from combat duty then either they don't have the vote,
Federal, not Military, Service was required to excercise
franchise or hold public office. No applicant for Federal
Service, with one exception, was refused enrollment.
--------------------- BEGIN HEINLEIN QUOTE ----------------------
I asked one of the doctors what percentage of the victims flunked
the physical. He looked startled. "Why, we never fail anyone. The
law dosen't permit us to."
---------------------------- CONTINUED --------------------------
But if you came in here in a wheel chair and blind in both eyes
and were silly enough to insist on enrolling, they would find
something silly enough to match. Counting the fuzz on a
caterpillar by touch, maybe. The only way you can fail is by
having the psychiatrists decide that you are not able to
understand the oath.
---------------------------- CONTINUED --------------------------
The thing I did most carefully was to list my preferences.
Naturally I listed all of the Space Navy jobs (other than pilot)
at the top; whether I went as power-room technician or as cook, I
knew that I prefered any Navy job to any Army job--I wanted to
travel.
Next I listed Intelligence--a spy gets around, too, and I
figured that it couldn't possibly be dull. (I was wrong, but
never mind.) After that came a long list; psycological warfare,
chemical warfare, biological warfare, combat ecology (I didn't
know what it was, but it sounded interesting), logistics corps (a
simple mistake; I had studied logic for the debate team and
"logistics" turns out to have two entirely seperate meanings),
and a dozen others. Clear at the bottom, with some hesitation, I
put K-9 Corps, and Infantry.
I didn't bother to list the various non-combatant auxiliary corps
because, if I wasn't picked for a combat corps, I didn't care
whether they used me as an experimental animal or sent me as a
laborer in the Terranizing of Venus--either one was a booby
prize.
---------------------------- CONTINUED --------------------------
in peacetime most veterans come from non-combatant auxiliary
services and have not been subjected to the full rigors of
military discipline; they have merely been harried, overworked,
and endangered
---------------------------- CONTINUED --------------------------
Under our system every voter and officeholder is a man who has
demonstrated through voluntary and difficult service that he
places the welfare of the group ahead of personal advantage.
---------------------------- CONTINUED --------------------------
we have democracy unlimited by race, color, creed, birth,
wealth, sex, or conviction, and anyone may win sovereign power
by a usually short and not too arduous term of service
---------------------------- CONTINUED --------------------------
Since sovereign franchise is the ultimate in human authority, we
insure that all who wield it accept the ultimate in social
responsibility--we require each person who wishes to exert
control over the state to wager his own life--and lose, if need
be--to save the life of the state. The maximum responsibility a
human can accept is thus equated to the ultimate authority a
human can exert. Yin and yang, perfect and equal.
---------------------- END HEINLEIN QUOTE -----------------------
I tell you three times that no individual, person, one, able to
understand the oath was denied enrollment into Federal Service.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
THE OATH
I being of legal age, of my own free will without coercion,
promise, or inducement of any sort, after having been duly
advised and warned of the meaning and consequences of this oath
do now enroll in the Federal Service of the Terran Federation for
a term of not less than two years and as much longer as may be
required by the needs of the Service. I swear to uphold and
