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Msg : 6 of 322
From : Ecarey 1:101/230 .óį 03 .žķ 95 12:04
To : Cmcdonough
Subj : ST: VOYAGER SURVIVES
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CM>SW> > I Know that Voyager was not a direct rip off of Red Dwarf but it
CM>SW> > is too close in some of its core properties that it seems just a
CM>SW> > copy and we do not need this kind of Science Fiction.
CM>EC>Have you ever read the Odyssey?
CM>EC>This is NOT an irrelevent question.
CM>Also, brownie points to those who can identify a movie considered
CM>"classic" in SF that boldly/blatantly stole the plot from Shakespear's
CM>*THE TEMPEST*.
Oh, that's too easy. Has anyone here not seen FORBIDDEN PLANET a
hundred times?
* OLX 2.1 TD * Chicken heads are the chief food of captive alligators.
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Msg : 7 of 322
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .óį 03 .žķ 95 21:36
To : SEAN CASZATT
Subj : ROSWELL INFO?
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-> The movie ROSWELL was a Showtime movie. It's recently been released on
-> videotape.
->
-> It's a good movie that doesn't go "off the deep end". It presents the case
-> in a fairly level-headed manner. The acting is quite good.
Thanks for the info and the tip Sean!
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Msg : 8 of 322
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .óį 03 .žķ 95 21:41
To : FRANK EVA
Subj : X-FILES LIST WANTED
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-> miss Earth 2, or VR5 that much, I was really shocked when I heard Sliders
-> had been axed. Oh well, there are a few new sci-fi shows in the wings, and I
-> hope they will be even more entertaining than Sliders. I
Yes, I was amazed they would yank Sliders. This decision doesn't make any
sense at all. I'll challenge ANYONE to provide good reasons for such a move.
I mean, do re-runs of Roseanne really make more sense???
-> RL>One of the problems with the Internet is that I never seem to know
-> RL>what city people are writing from. I live in Calgary, Alberta,
-> RL>Canada. From where do you hail?
->
-> Milwaukee, Wisconsin USA!
Well thankyou very much! Now I can place a pin on my map for Milwaukee!
Faceless and place-less is a pain. Now at least I have a place to ponder.
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Msg : 9 of 322
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .óį 03 .žķ 95 21:43
To : FRANK EVA
Subj : PART3/X-FILES EPISODES
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-> I now have all of my taped episodes identified! Thanks very much for the
-> effort!
Well this is a FIRST! I had posted the X-Files FAQ and episodes and your
message is the only one I've read that indicated it went beyond my finger tips.
Cheers,
Robert Lidgren
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Msg : 10 of 322
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .óį 03 .žķ 95 21:54
To : JACK BUTLER
Subj : HARLAN ELLISON
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-> Do you really think that all Ellison does all day is work on one thing?
-> He himself has stated that he has about nine different jobs running all at
-> once right now. Novels, short stories, scripts, his comic book, lectures,
-> his appearances on Sci-Fi Buzz, the "Harlan Ellison's Watching" column, and
-> whatever it is he is doing for Babylon 5 when he is not writing "Demon On
-> The Run".
Yeh, he does have a lot on the go. I also remember his account of what
happened the day of the California earthquake. There was a fair bit of broken
glass and he and his wife, Susan Ellison, had to scramble out of the house over
books that were about one meter deep most of the place. "Ellison Wonderland"
must have thousands of books.
I enjoy his fiction but I think I enjoy his columns and social commentary just
as much. His books are damn hard to find in bookstores very often but I have
managed to compile a fairly complete collection.
By the way, after a letter I wrote to him on a column in Asimov's Science
Fiction about crazy fans he actually called me. I was out in the alley at the
time. My son said: Hey, Dad, "Harlan Ellison called," when I returned. I
managed to track down his number in Sherman Oaks and returned the call. It was
a delightful conversation, if brief (he said he was "on deadline" and couldn't
chat long). The point is that he is approachable, not a madman from hell, and
his humorous epigrams during the call "confirmed" I wasn't talking to an
imposter. By the way, Susan Ellison edits "Rabbit Hole," the official
publication of HERC and she has always been kind to me in correspondence. I
think he's found someone exceptional in Susan.
Cheers,
Robert Lidgren
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Msg : 11 of 322
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .óį 03 .žķ 95 21:58
To : TOM ROBINSON
Subj : EARTH 2/SO LONG
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-> Again, we differ.
->
-> Sci-fi should act as an echo of the fears of the day. In this
-> sense it was the idea that - try as you may - you can't outrun the reach of
-> the state. And the many ways in which they attempted to sabotage the
-> mission acted as a perfect example.
I don't really see that we "differ" that much. I think your points are
supported.
Besides, I enjoy communicating with people who see things differently than I
do. If everyone agreed with me all the time I don't imagine I'd last more than
15 minutes before having to run screaming into the street.
"Differences" help all of us re-ecvaluate pour opinions and change them when it
makes sense.
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Msg : 12 of 322
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .óį 03 .žķ 95 22:07
To : TOM ROBINSON
Subj : EARTH 2/SO LONG
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> > I wonder if the series failed, in part, because not one of the characters
-> > was
-> > exceptionally strong. A powerful Matriarch or Patriarch figure sometimes
-> Huh? Robert. What show were you watching?
->
-> Devon WAS a strong character. The Eden project was essentially
-> created by her. And she continued to fight to keep that dream going
-> throughout the entire season.
I was watching the same show you did. I don't think Devon or anyone else was
"exceptionally strong" and that was the crux of my statement. My pont simple
was that I posed an hypothesis that maybe having no one VERY STRONG leader
-> I don't mean to be bitter about this, but I'm tired of people
-> trying to pick E2 apart like a bunch of scavengers. There was nothing wrong
-> with the show as it was. The characters were fully realized, the
-> sicence/society was well thought out, and the story development was far more
-> interesting than B5 could ever hope to be. Its biggest
Well, you err STRONGLY if you think my messages were EVER intended to "PICK
APART" Earth 2. I liked the show, posted several messages saying that it
disappointed me that it was cancelled and have tried to figure out why it was
cancelled. My musings on this are meant as a monologue where I try to assess
what went wrong. This is ESPECIALLY TRUE because I think the series NEEDED A
SECOND SEASON.
Because we discuss flaws in a series has NOTHING WHATEVER to do (necessarily)
with our position on its cancellation. Besides, ANY IDIOT CAN CRITICIZE AND
CUT TO SHREDS A SERIES, MOVIE OR BOOK . What I try to do is
look for the good and the bad and encourage improvement.
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Msg : 13 of 322
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .óį 03 .žķ 95 22:19
To : STEVEN WESEN
Subj : EARTH 2/SO LONG
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-> I'm not to old but I remember reading the Tom Swift books and Asimov's and
-> Bradbury's Space Cadet books and now people read when they have to. A good
-> story line I thought of is showing the trend of Illiteratecy in a context of
-> Graphic User Interfaces on computers replacing the printed word and watching
-> the results on the future.
Rememebr, it's only something like 10% of the population who read novels.
That's a scary statistic but it's accurate as far as I know. If you DON'T READ
SCIENCE FICTION you haven't a clue about what the possibilities might be for a
science fiction film or TV series.
You obviously are a reader and know how the printed word opens up worlds to us
that really enrich life. I think "the dumming of America" is more than just a
catch phrase. There does seem to be a REAL move away from respect for book
learning. Geez, you simply can't understand the complexities of the Bosnia
situation from the nightly news or CNN. Newspapers, magazines and books MUST
BE read to get a more complete picture. In the same way, how can people REALLY
-> What we have is a nation of Video minede Science Fiction fans who will
-> never know the wonder of reading clasic because they see butchered twisted
-> versions of them on Video.
Video-minded science fiction fans...good term.
By the way, I don't condemn anyone or put myself on a pedestal. Feeling
superior and lam-basting others is for idiots and the self-righteous! I just
feel sad that so many people never get to enjoy OTHER riches by exploring the
written word more.
Cheers,
Robert Lidgren
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Msg : 14 of 322
From : ROBERT LIDGREN 1:134/10 .óį 03 .žķ 95 22:23
To : PAMELA CROSSETT
Subj : HIGHLANDER, THE SERIES
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Hi there!
I just read your message to Gloria Darcy re: Highlander: The Series.
This IS a special series and seems to be watched by a relatively small elite.
Have you noticed the dictinct similarities between Sean Connery's voice and the
lead in the series, Adrian Paul?
The story lines always have me guessing and I really enjoy the character
