been on the Grey Council for the last three to five years or so, a recent
recruit (in Minbari terms), perhaps. That said, the Grey Council may or may not
know the full details; it depends on how Valen and the Nine decided to handle
things back when. And the fact that Valen balanced the Council with three from
each caste suggests that he felt that there was merit to having the religious,
warrior, and worker caste viewpoints in all matters - something that the current
Council seems to have forgotten perhaps.
JH> But then, maybe she just was only talking about the time she
JH> had been on the station, since her former life was not really
JH> part of his business, and the Grey Council *never* tells _all_
JH> the truth. ;-)
Which seems more likely. :)
JK>> I like to think that it would be part of the wisdom
JK>> passed down to the Religious caste members who join the
JK>> Council. This would certainly explain Neroon's ignorance of
JK>> something this basic, which you'd think he'd comment on.
JH> Maybe not,... Delenn mentioned the great evil as if they all
JH> knew about it, and if the reason he was given for the end of
JH> the war was that they would need the Earthling's help to fight
JH> the Shadows, he would certainly be insulted and say that they
JH> didn't need the puny humans' help.
True, but it depends on other things. Frankly, I had the impression that
Neroon's mind was totally closed, once he learned about humans having Minbari
souls, and hence the reason for the surrender to Earth. While he might still
know of the coming great evil and all, his own biases and dislike of the Humans,
evidenced in the stories that he's appeared in, would prevent him from desiring
or even wanting the Humans' aid.
JK>> John Vornholt posted a message noting that the next book in
JK>> the series, his _Blood Oath_ (dealing with the Narns) won't
JK>> be out until late in the year. :(
JH> Considering what I keep hearing about them, doesn't sound like
JH> it'll be a loss.
I suppose not. Still, it would be nice to have some new B5 fiction to read
during the six-month drought between new episodes, now wouldn't it? I guess the
comics will have to serve during this time... *sigh*
John
.....
"You don't find wolves lurking behind rocks ready to mug a passing badger." -
Lupine (RM)
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From : Debra Milner 1:112/285 .он 05 .юн 95 10:43
To : ROBERT LIDGREN
Subj : EARTH 2/SO LONG
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> people like
> you hang around here and say things that make me think and, often,
> reassess my
Awww, you're making me blush.....thanks...;-)
> The fact that an Earth 2 "Post Mortem" should generate quite a bit of
> input
> makes me think that it wasn't a total botched job and despite the
> critics I
> believe it was fixable.
I think it was quite fixable....but the networks don't want to take the time to
allow a good series to develop......I've always been fond of watching character
developments, and that is what was happening on Earth 2....now, if they had
'glamorized' it, and gone for massive special effects instead of character
development, it would have made it.....
Doubts? look at Seaquest.....I watched it the first season, thought it showed
good potential....then, they ran it down the tubes this year, making the
characters shallow with great FX......look who go renewed and who
didn't....
> I'm always keen to read what you have to say. By the way where do
> you live?
Jacksonville, FL (actually, just west of there)
> I am typing from Calgary, Alberta Canada (yeh, that place due north
> of
> Montana).
Ahhh, Cold country.....
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Msg : 42 of 322
From : John Kahane 1:163/198.5 .он 05 .юн 95 10:57
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : Vorlon Immortality /3
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In a message of , Jeff Hancock scribed:
JH> It sounded like you had thought of some of those questions...
JH> aside from that, nothing else has occurred to me.
There's been all kinds of speculations, Jeff...things about angels, and the
like - but Joe has said that only one person has actually guessed the truth
about the Vorlons. And he wouldn't say who...
JK>> we don't know all that much about some of the races, although
JK>> there have been hints in the medical episodes about
JK>> physiologies and the
JH> About how they would recognize Kosh as an ancient one? I'm not
JH> following. You mean it's something physical?
I suspect so. Remember Kyle's reaction to Kosh in "The Gathering"? There's
also the bit that was posted here from the scene that was cut from the 2-hour
movie, where Kyle talks to Laurel Takashima, and tells her that he's "been
changed" by what he saw. Something to think about.
JK>> "Confessions and Lamentations" had one of these as well, in a
JK>> very
JH> Lousy joke, though... Do you suppose this is the homeworld that
JH> JMS said would be destroyed? I thought it would be that of a
JH> major race.
Yes, the Markab homeworld is the one that was meant by Joe. A nice touch,
a rather brutal kind of lesson, and something that most of the fans weren't
expecting. As for the Markab being a "major race" or not, who knows what they
might have accomplished during the series? Their legends spoke of the Shadows
and their servants, so perhaps the plague wasn't an "accident of nature" at all.
:)
JH> While I'm thinking of it, someone mentioned the number 2.5
JH> showing up in B5 a number of times, do you suppose it's also
JH> a coincidence that both station captions happen to share the
JH> creator's first and last initials? ;)
I'm not sure I understand what you mean here...
JK> JK>>> with Kosh's earlier talk with Sheridan about teaching and
JK> JK>>> preparing him "to fight legends."
JK> JH>> Yes, but what legends exactly?
JK>> The legends are the Shadows, obviously. Since they are a
JK>> race
JH> Yes, but... They'd be our legends too, and what legends are
JH> there on Earth of anything like the Shadows?
One never knows, does one? I could have said "Only the Shadow(s) know"...
but that would have been rather tacky of me.
JK> JH>> And how is it that every race (apparently) would have the
JK> JH>> same exact legends?
JK>> Not necessarily the same set of legends, Jeff. G'Kar's
JH> But still... similar enough so that Shadows would fit into
JH> everyone's legends.
Yes, similar enough to the legends of other races, that there is a very
large grain of truth here. No different than some of the legends that we see on
Earth. All cultures have vampire legends of some sort, faeries are common to
quite a few cultures (even if the nature and shape of faeries differs), dragons
in Eastern tales, and the like.
JK>> thing. "Confessions and Lamentations" has another good
JK>> example of this, that the Markab doctor tells Franklin.
JK>> Watch for it, and I won't spoil your enjoyment of that
JK>> episode again.
JH> Um.... I think I missed it. Casulty of only seeing it once.
It'll air again during the repeats sequence that we're about to "enjoy",
Jeff. You'd better make a note about this on a post-it, I think. :)
JK> JH>> I don't recall any Earth legends involving giant spiders,
JK> JH>> for one... unless this is another LOTR jab.
JK>> While it's possible, and I suspect that Joe would disclaim it,
JK>> I don't think so. The Shadows that we saw in "ItSoZ" didn't
JK>> appear to be spider- like to me at all.
JH> Then what do you think they look like? I dunno, I see the eyes,
JH> the legs, the shape, and think spider.
I'm not going to comment on what they look like at this point. Suffice it
to say, I have a distinct theory about the Shadows. And the creature we saw on
Z'ha'dum didn't appear to be spider-like at all, like I said. :)
JK> JH>> Logbook writer seems to think that was the first
JK> JH>> appearance of the Shadows, but you say JMS disagrees?
JK>> Not disagrees, totally different. Joe says that the race
JK>> that Catherine encountered at Sigma 957 was another of the
JK>> Ancient Ones, a
JH> Someone needs to update the Logbook, then.
Personally, the Logbook is a wonderful thing, but it's based on supposition
and assumptions made by the writer. The fact that he hasn't updated the thing,
or that he didn't pay attention to what Joe said about this (if the writer has
access to Internet/GEnie at all) is another matter. But if you're going to do
something like the Logbook, then you've got to update it once per season, so...
JK>> race that is no longer concerned with affairs of the little
JK>> races from its time. He's also said that some stuff will be
JK>> clarified about this race... whatever that meant. :)
JH> Let's hope so, and while they're at it, when does JMS say we'll
JH> hear from Draal again?
Later this season, Jeff.
JK> JK>>> I wouldn't be surprised to find something totally
JK> JK>>> predictable underneath the Vorlon encounter suit.
JK> JH>> I suppose he'll look like the classic cliche of God?
JK>> Nope, not like God or an angel. That's been the
JK>> consensus on some of the B5 echoes and newsgroups, and to be
JK>> honest with you, I
JH> What was the consensus, that Kosh would, or wouldn't?
That Kosh would look like an angel or God, but since Joe's said that only
one person got it right, well... ;)
JK>> don't think that JMS would do something like that. I
JK>> suppose it's possible, given the emphasis on souls and
JK>> stuff that we've seen in the series to this point...
JH> I'm leaning towards people seeing what their image of an
JH> ancient and wise being would be. Delenn might have seen
JH> Valen, Sheridan might see the Dali Lama, Franklin his
JH> reflected God, and so forth.
Could be. I don't personally think so, since that doesn't seem to make
sense within the context of the First Ones, and Joe's a bit more subtle than
that, imo.
JK> JK>>> Btw, have you seen "Knives" yet? Interesting episode,
JK> JH>> Yep. Just once, though... haven't dubbed it, and missed
JK> JH>> the re-airing.
JK>> I'm not sure what you mean about the dubbing of the
JK>> episode, but
JH> I usually watch each episode two to three times, record it the
JH> first time, sometimes catch the re-airing, and then again when
JH> I dub it onto an archive copy and remove the commercials.
Ah, ok...
JK> JH>> BTW, I'm not sure B5 will really make it in syndication...
JK>> B5 is not the same kind of series as ST and the like, and
JK>> therefore I think the syndication of such a series would be
JK>> more difficult.
JH> But syndication is the goal and the reason for the five-year
JH> run... and I don't know how well it'll do when you can't count
JH> on stations showing them all in sequence without cutting out
JH> parts you need to understand or enjoy certain parts.
While this is true, the series has to reach the end of its five-year
run...something that may or may not happen, depending on the tv climate. Joe
didn't write B5 as a five-year arc for this reason - he's doing it that way
because he feels that this is what he needs in order to tell the story that he's
