FG> universe. However, my understanding is that they *are* descended from
FG> Earth humans. And those implants were done intentionally to one's self,
FG> for some reason....
Well, they were implanted to give the Harkonnens power over their people.
Do you know if there's a sequel, or is that too much hoping for?
/// -Tommy K.- \\\ * Going cruising on thursday, YAAAHOOOOO ! *
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Msg : 2 of 195
From : Tommy Kellerman 2:205/356 .ņp 20 .åā 96 22:43
To : Frank Glover
Subj : Re: clarification
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
In a message dated 18-Feb-96 12:44:02, Frank Glover wrote:
TK> Sorry for interrupting but, SF FOLKSONGS ???
TK>
TK> Tell me all about it! (Can't access it from Sweden)
FG> Yep! There are aplenty! I don't know how common SF conventions ae in
FG> Europe, but if you have occasion to go to one, there will almost always
FG> be an area and/or panel discussion devoted to filking.
So, what do they discuss? I mean, we're talking SF folk-songs here !!
Sounds weird...
/// -Tommy K.- \\\
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Msg : 3 of 195
From : Tommy Kellerman 2:205/356 .ņp 20 .åā 96 22:59
To : Frank Glover
Subj : Re: Alien threats?
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In a message dated 18-Feb-96 14:02:05, Frank Glover wrote:
TK> FG> Or a *potential* threat.
TK>
TK> With OUR technology? Our greatest weapon is the will to live, or
TK> survive (IMHO).
FG> Evolution favors a `will to live' in virtually all species, really.
FG> But by potential threat, I mean what we will *eventually* be able to do.
FG> ("Commander Xartech, they already possess thermonuclear weapons, and
FG> speculate on wormholes, tachyons and nanotechnology. We must destroy them
FG> before they develop [technology unknown to us].") This was the premise
FG> behind `The Day The Earth Stood Still,' ("Do what you want at home, but
FG> clean up your act before you come out here, or expect more robots.') and
FG> 2001: A Space Odyssey ("These pre-humans have potential. Let's leave a
FG> beacon on their Moon, and by the time they are able to get there and dig
FG> it up, they'll be worth another look.").
When seeing those movies, it really didn't occur to me, until now...
TK> FG> Their reply may be; "So what?"
TK>
TK> Well yes, but in that case, why wait?
FG> And that goes back to:
FG> A: There's no one out there at all (or *exceedingly* few and far
FG> between)
But maybe with an adequate tech level to travel at great distances,
maybe just to make contact, or surveying the planet(s).
FG> B: Someone's out there, but we just haven't been found yet.
Oh, yes. But maybe we'll find them first.
FG> C: Someone's out there, knows we're here, but have no hostile
FG> intentions, and no desire to show themselves as yet. (which may or may
FG> not have anything to do with ufo's)
If this is it, the UFO phenomenon is yet to be explained.
FG> Someone out there who knew we were here, *with* hostile intentions
FG> would almost certainly have taken some open action by now. (Of course we
FG> could get into ideas about subtle, covert takeovers, but for now I think
FG> that's *truly* crossing the paranoia line.)
Agree.
TK> FG> guys.' However, I also never believed the argument that violent,
TK>
TK> FG> aggressive races will destroy themselves before acheiving
TK> interstellar travel, either.
TK>
TK> Why not? Civilisations could destroy themselves very easily, like if
TK> some
TK> germ (produced) or some weapon would go "haywire".
FG> But accidents can happen even to non-hostile races. It doesn't even
FG> have to involve weapons. Nanotecnological `gray-goo' scenarios, or the
FG> Trek episode `Miri' where what was meant to be a life-extension
FG> experiment got away, causing very long childhoods, then dropping dead at
FG> puberty.
Sorry, haven't seen it. No ST episodes are currently on Swedish TV.
And I haven't heard about the "gray-goo"-scenarios. Please explain.
FG> Against such possibilites, expansion to other worlds (starting
FG> withone's own solar system, then beyond) becomes important so that one's
FG> species survives, even if the homeworld becomes uninhabitable.
Yep, but I doubt I'll live to see it. Shame, because I want to. ;)
FG> But as you say, I truly do hope and expect that our first contacts
FG> will be peaceful ones.
Yep.
/// -Tommy K.- \\\
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Msg : 4 of 195
From : Tommy Kellerman 2:205/356 .ņp 20 .åā 96 23:17
To : Mark Jones
Subj : UFO
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In a message dated 16-Feb-96 00:37:47, Mark Jones wrote:
MJ> "Some UFOs are actually starships from other worlds" is an
MJ> unfalsifiable assertion. There is no way to disprove it. No matter
MJ> how many UFOs are determined to be weather balloons, swamp gas,
MJ> ordinary aircraft or weather phenomena, the proponents of this theory
MJ> can always say that others *are* the real thing.
MJ> It's a useless (and unscientific) position.
I see your point.
MJ> On the other hand, the claim that "NO UFOs are actually starships
MJ> from other worlds" is easily falsified simply by providing proof of
MJ> *one* instance in which such a vessel turns up. But so far, the
MJ> evidence is underwhelming.
Yep! Guess we'll just have to wait.
MJ> There may or may not be alien civilizations. They may or may not
MJ> be more advanced than we. And they may or may not be visiting us.
MJ> But until we have real, tangible proof of this, I'll continue to
MJ> believe that UFOs are adequately explained by mundane occurences.
Well Mark, please do, but I do hope you understand my position as well.
When I saw this... well let's call it a UFO for now, shall we?
Well, anyways, I wasn't under any kind of influence, and I saw the UFO for about
30 mins, before I lost it and ran home and made my mother watch it as well. It
felt awkward when I first laid eyes on it to be the only witness, so
it felt good when my mother saw it as well. At least, I knew then that I wasn't
going bananas...!
And frankly, if it wasn't a UFO, well, then I don't know what the f--k I DID
see, but it wasn't from my neighborhood, I can tell you that.
So you get all excited and tell your friends (the ones you trust, and trust you,
who don't try to make fun of you all the time) and starts shaking
just because of the experience. Nothing quite like it. You can't even compare
it to sex, but of course, they're two different things!
I understand that you're a sceptic, and I know you won't change until proven
otherwise, but imagine how it felt when I, who always believed that "there must
be something out there" suddenly discovered that " I was right! ".
Such a sensation... I hope you'll experience it someday.
MY ony tangible proof is my memory, and my mind, which I'm not out of.
Sincerely,
/// -Tommy K.- \\\
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Msg : 5 of 195
From : Steve Thomas 1:279/27 .óį 24 .åā 96 22:31
To : Elizabeth H. Penrose
Subj : Not to be seen
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The lines I liked the best were:
"It was the middle (bush) one!"
and
"And this was the neighbor who told us where they (neighbors) were!"
But my favorite skit is the 127th Annual Twit of the Year Best in Show.
"And Nigel has run himself over...What a great twit!"
--Steve
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Msg : 6 of 195
From : Steve Thomas 1:279/27 .óį 24 .åā 96 22:40
To : All
Subj : Marcon 31
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Anyone going to Marcon 31 in Columbus, Ohio May 3,4 and 5?
--Steve
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Msg : 7 of 195
From : Nicolai Shapero 1:102/524 .óį 24 .åā 96 05:44
To : Anders Danebo
Subj : Cybersex
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On , Anders Danebo (2:201/190) wrote to Mark Jones:
AD>theme..It's
AD>still the same old sex and it's not very interestning..Why not
AD>simply
AD>create a cybersex conference and talk about it there..Sci Fi and
AD>sex doesn't
AD>belong together...My opinion but i belive it to be a sound one...
"We're here to protect democracy, not to practice it." Your opinion regarding
what is and is not off-topic may be considered, but it is an opinion that means
much less than that of the moderator, who regards the subject as "on topic"
(within broad limits).
-- Nicolai Shapero, Moderator of the SFFAN echo
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Msg : 8 of 195
From : Kay Shapero 1:102/524 .óį 24 .åā 96 11:01
To : JOHN ROSS
Subj : Re: Help
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On , JOHN ROSS (1:116/1977@fidonet) wrote to JUDY HAYES:
JR>Thanks ,Kay said that she sent me one and I'll see if it shows up
JR>in the next week or so.Thanks again
With Leslie's permission, I just posted it to the echo at large, so if you don't
see the copy I sent you, you may find it here.
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Msg : 9 of 195
From : Kay Shapero 1:102/524 .óį 24 .åā 96 11:02
To : Anders Danebo
Subj : Cybersex
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On , Anders Danebo (2:201/190) wrote to Mark Jones:
AD>Sci Fi and Sex hasn't got anything incommon..All that is changed
AD>is that the technology and imagination has been applied to the sex
AD>theme..It's still the same old sex and it's not very interestning.
Ever read Ursula K. Leguin's _The Left Hand Of Darkness_? Or for that matter,
some of Philip Jose Farmer's stuff. There's a heck of a lot more to this topic
than you think.
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Msg : 10 of 195
From : Mark Jones 1:105/302.47 .pä 21 .åā 96 23:23
To : Jon Helis
Subj : Cybersex
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