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Msg : 238 of 284
From : Jon Helis 1:3800/25 .pä 14 .åâ 96 06:57
To : Ecarey
Subj : RE: STAR TREK SEXISM
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-=> Quoting Ecarey to Barton Paul Levenson <=-
Ec> Remember, Roddenberry was responsible for Number One in the first
Ec> pilot, "The Cage". _That_ was not a woman who thought starship command
Ec> was out of her reach.
It was a funny thing, both her and Mr. Spock were among the
things the corporate network fatcats didn't like about "The
Cage." The pilot was also dubbed "too cerebral" is well. They
thing we viewers are a bunch of idiots.
Spock turned out to be one of the most popular characters, I
wonder if the same thing would have happened to Number One.
... I! am! Kirkutus! -- of! Borg! Prepare! to! be! -- assimilated!
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Msg : 239 of 284
From : Jon Helis 1:3800/25 .pä 14 .åâ 96 09:23
To : Channon Lang
Subj : Re: Star Trek
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-=> Quoting Channon Lang to Jon Helis <=-
CL> @MSGID: 1:130/809.0 3122c4a9
CL> #PID: BWRA 3.11 [Eval]
CL> @TID: GE 1.11+
CL> From a dark bottomless pit,Jon Helis screamed up to Channon Lang about
CL> Star Trek..
KW> first started, being one of them "Nothing can replace Kirk & Company"
KW> fanatics....I got better!)
CL>
CL> Yeah, I know what you mean. I was that way about TNG, too. My dad
CL> still refuses to watch DS9, but somehow he tolerates V'ger. I keep
CL> trying to give V'ger the benefit of the doubt. But, to tell you what,
CL> if they don't start doing MUCH better, I'll have to finally write it
CL> off. Actually, I like Janeway, but the writers need to really start
CL> working...maybe get some writers from TNG or something...or start
CL> totally new...who knows.
JH> When I first heard about TNG, I thought it would be hard to top
JH> the original. Once it started, I changed my mind. Like you, I
JH> think it got better too.
JH> I enjoy watching DS9, but Voyager, sometimes it's good, while at
JH> other times, outright disappointing. This inconsistency is
JH> slowly starting to push me away. Unless they start coming up
JH> with good scripts, I may write it off too.
CL> I was concerned about DS9 for a while...and really leary about Worf
CL> showing up there. But it seems to shaping up quite nicely. And Worf is
CL> finding a friend in Dax...it's interesing how quickly he replaced
CL> Deanna Troy, isn't it?
Worf's relationship with Odo is somewhat interesting, in fact,
it's beginning to look a little like Odo's relationship with
Quark.
Last month, I got the chance to see Terry Farrel at a
convention. She's a very entertaining speaker. Seeing her
handle a 10 foot albino python was also interesting.
JH> The ghosts of Battlestar Galactica and Space 1999 still haunt me
JH> when I see Voyager.
CL> I really like Battlestar Galactica...but then I was a teenage with a
CL> HUGE crush on Dirk Benedict, too...As for Space 1999, I couldn't stand
CL> it!
CL> Channon
I enjoyed Galactica's first few episodes, but it did later go
down hill for me. It's spinoff, Galactica 1980, was a major
disappointment for me. Space:1999 during its first season had
some good stories, but the second season(which included Fred
Frieberger, the producer of Star Trek's last season, and the
introduction of a shapeshifting alien) really sucked the sewage.
I still have my 2.5 foot long Eagle One playset around here
somewhere. I also have a toy Cylon Raider spaceship, one of the
ones that fires missiles, that were pulled from the market after
a child suffered a choking accident.
To be young again.....
... What can you do at 3 AM? Psssttt - got a modem??
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Msg : 240 of 284
From : Jon Helis 1:3800/25 .pä 14 .åâ 96 18:27
To : Shawn Snyder
Subj : Re: "Q" on VOYAGER
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-=> Quoting Shawn Snyder to Robert Lidgren <=-
SS> @MSGID: 1:2601/507.0 3128aa40
SS> Rob, I heard that there is a "Q" planning to attempt suicide
SS> or something like that. Jonothan Frakes is suposed to be in it, also.
Yes that's exactly what happens. Frakes had a brief appearance
in it too. I won't give anything else away, since it hasn't
aired nationwide yet.
... Have you crashed your Windows today?
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Msg : 241 of 284
From : Jon Helis 1:3800/25 .pä 14 .åâ 96 18:35
To : Robert Lidgren
Subj : Re: CLARIFICATION
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-=> Quoting Robert Lidgren to Nicolai Shapero <=-
RL> I heard a rumour SOMEWHERE that "Sliders" was returning March 1st. Is
RL> there any truth to this?
Yes it is returning with new episodes. I saw a promo during
Space:Above and Beyond over the weeekend.
Celebrate, it's coming back.
... Reality is for people that are out of touch with FANDOM.
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Msg : 242 of 284
From : Jon Helis 1:3800/25 .pä 14 .åâ 96 18:37
To : Barton Paul Levenson
Subj : Re: Cybersex
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-=> Quoting Barton Paul Levenson to Anders Danebo <=-
BPL> @MSGID: 1:129/26.0 3125bb20
BPL> @REPLY: 2:201/190.0 311ea93a
BPL> I think I know what you're trying to say, but I think you're mistaken
BPL> if you say sex can't be discussed seriously, under SF or otherwise.
BPL> Some interesting comments on sex and human sexuality have come out of
BPL> science fiction -- though usually books and not TV/movies. Cf LeGuin's
BPL> "The Left Hand of Darkness" or Philip Jose Farmer's "The Loverbirds"
BPL> (very daring when it first came out). Or anything by Heinlein after he
BPL> became obsessed with sex.
The 1973 Michael Crichton film "Westworld" dealt with this issue
in a very interesting way.
Anyone who's seen it care to discuss it?
... Non-Trekkies of the world-- GET A FUTURE!!
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Msg : 243 of 284
From : Jon Helis 1:3800/25 .pä 14 .åâ 96 19:13
To : Dean Sweatman
Subj : Re: What next?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-=> Quoting Dean Sweatman to Jon Helis (#6) <=-
DS> @MSGID: 1:396/40 51142b5c
DS> @TID: InterEcho 1.12 6E010867
DS> * Crossposted from: L_FIAWOL
-=> Quoting #6 to Dean Sweatman <=-
#6> What do you think of this Dean? I guess Trekkies go for
#6> anything!
KA> * Originally By: Mark Holtz
KA> * Originally To: All
KA> * Originally Re: Star Trek:The Experience
KA> * Original Area: TREK_VOYAGER
KA> * Forwarded by : Blue Wave v2.12
KA> @SUBJECT:Star Trek:The Experience groundbreaking N
KA> #PID: BWTG 3.11 [Reg]
KA> @MSGID: 1:203/1701.0 311e75e0
KA> Hey, Larry, looks like you can plan your vacation next year in Vegas!
KA> I sure would love to go!
KA> == Forwarded Message Follows =========================================
KA> * Originally By: snoop@vegas.infi.net
KA> * Originally To: All
KA> * Originally Re: Star Trek:The Experience groundbreaking
KA> * Original Date: 07 Feb 96 17:02:22
KA> * Original Area: Star Trek News & Info (Usenet)
KA> * Forwarded by : Blue Wave/DOS v2.21
KA> The source for the article comes from the January 25, 1996 Las Vegas
KA> Review Journal, Page 1A and 2A. My summary Follows:
KA> Hi there everyone!
KA> Living in Las Vegas we get some nice perks: We can lose all our money
KA> at the tables, good cheap food and soon to come, Star Trek:The
KA> Experience!
KA> Recently on January 24th top executives from Hilton Hotels as well as
KA> Paramount Parks held the official groundbreaking ceremony for this
KA> fantastic sounding attraction.
KA> Star Trek:The Experience will be many things. It's 65,000 quare feet
KA> will contain such goodies as a mock up version of the bridge of the
KA> starship Enterprise, a 22 minute long shuttlecraft simulator ride, a
KA> dining and retail area, and a 22,000 square foot casino (this is after
KA> all Las Vegas). The casino area (Spacequest Casino) will feature
KA> windows high above the floor that will simulate the illusion of
KA> orbiting the earth on a space station.
KA> The ceremony was itself rather impressive, they had a simulated
KA> wormhole implosion, and a large fireworks display, that showed itself
KA> in the form of the Star Trek logo with the words Star Trek:The
KA> Experience under that.
KA> Also attending the ceremony were Trek stars, Jonathan Frakes, Gates
KA> McFadden, and Armin Shimerman. Star Trek:The Experience is slated to
KA> open in the spring of 1997.
KA> If you have any more questions about this project, please feel free to
KA> E-Mail me at:
KA> Snoop@vegas.infi.net and I'll try to answer them for you. For now
KA> though it looks like it's time to get a job application! :)
KA> Evan J. Malik
KA> End of article.
KA> Evan
DS>
DS> Are you Sure that you REALLY WANT TO KNOW? :^)
DS> I think that there has come into being a a blend of fandom and the
DS> frenges that are willing to spend their money on anything that suits
DS> their fancy and that the business world is taking every oppertunity
DS> that they can of sucking up everything that the fen are willing to part
DS> with. This casino is just the top of the heap with autographed photos
DS> and Special packaged items (Get Generations now in a Foil stamped
DS> limited collectors box) being offered through the mail, at cons/shows,
DS> magazines and TV. The only thing that is going to stop these dirty
DS> dealers from preying upon Fandom and the frenge is for us to say
DS> enough is enough and stop spending our money so foolishly.
DS> We will be seeing resturants soon with the waiters dressed as super
DS> heroes for the comics inclined and I am sure that it won't be long till
DS> we find a 10 forward in every major city.
DS> Nuff said
My opinion, like yours, is that this stuff wouldn't go on if
there weren't alot of people who had the money to spend on it
around.
Back when I had cable, I saw one of those Trek shows on QVC, and
one caller, who was buying another autographed plaque, boasted
of having "6 cast member plaques, and the one with the whole
