>
JK> Aww, you noticed. :) Seriously though, that's one of the
> things that really annoys me about BABYLON 5. The show is
> definitely *not* on in prime time in the area I get it. Unless
> prime time has been moved to midnight!
Syndicated shows have to fight for time-slots, and B5 doesn't have Trek's
thirty-year money-making record. For that matter, except for Voyager, which
\isn't\ syndicated, \Trek\ doesn't reliably get a "prime time" slot - 7:00pm
Saturday or Sunday, the times when DS9, and TNG before it ended, have normally
been broadcast in Boston, which IS a major market, simply doesn't qualify as
"prime time." In fact, B5 is doing a little \better\ - the last month or so,
it's been broadcast at 8:00pm Sunday.:)
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Msg : 313 of 384
From : Ecarey 1:101/230 .˙ō 19 .āé 95 15:21
To : Brian Henderson
Subj : B5 RIPOFF: DS9
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
> EE> Dan, you're gonna confuse Deanna \real\ bad, including the first
> two
> EE> Trek series in that list, after saying B5 is better.:)
>
BH> But they both deserve to be in the list. Both Treks have been
> influential in
> the way TV SF has been viewed and have set standards for special
> effects, if
> not necessarily writing. B5 *IS* better than TNG (and at least as
> good as
> TOS), but it has not made it's mark on TV SF.
Oh, I agree completely, but Deana's one of the either/ors - you're only allowed
to like EITHER Trek OR B5, but not both - and therefore Dan's approval of B5
"ought" to mean he has no respect for Trek.:)
> EE> If the last significant series sf on tv had been LOST IN SPACE
> or
> EE> BATTLESTAR GALACTICA, he'd have had a much tougher time
> marketing an
> EE> sf show that's so obviously for adults.
>
BH> Actually, Lost In Space was quite influential for it's time. TOS
> was accused
> of being a LIS rip-off for much of it's original airing. The
> problem is that
> while TOS might have made it easier to market sf on television, TNG
> most
LOST IN SPACE was a kiddie show, and it took a looong time for TOS to overcome
the perception that therefore, ALL sf must be kiddie shows. Despite that
perception, however, TOS was in fact a far more adult and ambitious show,
regularly tackling serious contemporary issues. Eventually, that fact, and the
fact that TOS had an audience that didn't go away just because the show got
cancelled, penetrated the minds of the dim bulbs at Paramount and elsewhere.
BATTLESTAR GALACTICA was even worse than LOST IN SPACE, not only a kiddie show,
but a kiddie show that was a badly written, badly acted, expensive and
spectacular \failure\.
Painful as it may be for you to admit it, TNG \was\ important in breaking down
the resistance to new sf shows on television, because it demonstrated that TOS
wasn't necessarily a fluke. Granted that few wanted to risk challenging it
directly; but when TNG was headed for cancellation, and DS9 was on the air, ALSO
successful but not the perceived terrifying juggernaut that TNG was, we suddenly
got a spate of attempts at new sf shows.
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Msg : 314 of 384
From : Ecarey 1:101/230 .˙ō 19 .āé 95 15:25
To : Steven Wesen
Subj : RE: ST: VOYAGER SURVIVES
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
> I Know that Voyager was not a direct rip off of Red Dwarf but it is
> to close in some of its core properties that it seems just a copy
> and we do not need this kind of Science Fiction.
Have you ever read the Odyssey?
This is NOT an irrelevent question.
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Msg : 315 of 384
From : Ecarey 1:101/230 .˙ō 19 .āé 95 15:31
To : Frank Eva
Subj : HARLAN ELLISON
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
> E "Harlan Ellison has a major grudge against STAR TREK, which is
> E "partially justified and partially not. I wouldn't look to him for
> E "objective commentary on it.
>
FE> Yes, I read all about his "grudge" in William Shatner's Star
> Trek Memories. It was very revealing, and I feel his grudge was
> justified. I personally think his take on Star Trek is valid. Since
> he
> also takes a few potshots at B5, it's obvious he isn't prejudiced
> against Star Trek alone. I personally think his grudge is against
> TV/SF
> in general...
Harlan Ellison is an extremely successful Hollywood scriptwriter, who has
managed to alienate virtually everyone he has ever worked with. When he's been
under contract to a show, rather than merely selling individual scripts, he has
usually managed to get fired, except on those occasions when he has QUIT.
He hasn't got a grudge against B5 or tv or sf generally - he's just naturally
cantankorous, and criticizes everything, regardless of whether he's associated
with it or not.
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Msg : 316 of 384
From : Ecarey 1:101/230 .˙ō 19 .āé 95 15:34
To : Tom Huber
Subj : VORLON IMMORTALITY
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
> E>TH>Aside from Enemy Mine, I cannot think of anything in motion
> pictures
>>TH>that equals B5 for scope. Dune might qualify, but the scope of Herbert's
>>TH>work was left on the cutting room floor.
>
> E>Even ENEMY MINE chickened out - the ending of the movie was vastly
>>softened from the punch-in-the-gut ending of the original.
>
TH> It sounds like I've got to chase down the story it was based upon. I
Oh, definitely, you NEED to read the original.
> liked the ending, even though it was a bit abrupt, in my book... But
> then, I tend to write abrupt endings, too... I just don't project
> them
> as far into the future as Enemy Mine did their ending...
It certainly wasn't a \bad\ ending, IF you don't know what Longyear did in the
original. Compared to the original, it's a cowardly ending tacked on by people
who assumed the real ending would upset the audience and scare 'em off.
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Msg : 317 of 384
From : Ecarey 1:101/230 .˙ō 19 .āé 95 15:41
To : Robert Lidgren
Subj : EARTH 2/SO LONG
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
> Well, if Entertainment Tonight can be believed, Earth 2 will not be
> back.
> That's too bad, I was hoping to see further adventures but sometimes
> these
> things happen. What is a surprise is that SeaQuest DSV did make the
> "cut"
> instead! So, the Earth 2 psaperbacks will go into history as
> interesting
> collectables from a one-season wonder.
>
> By the way, does ANYONE else feel sorry Earth 2 has bitten the dust?
> Sometimes
> I got the impression that I was among, oh, maybe 25 people in North
> America who
> watched the series and generally enjoyed it!
And I'm another of the twenty-five.:(
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Msg : 318 of 384
From : Ecarey 1:101/230 .ķá 20 .āé 95 08:48
To : Frank Glover
Subj : B5 VS ST
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
FG>FE> Hmmm... I don't remember the reference to WW3, but I believe
FG>FE> you. This just didn't have an impact on me, again, because I look at
FG>FE> TV
FG>FE> as entertainment, not prophecy in disguise...
FG> Actually, there was at least one contradiction on this score. In one epis
FG>(whose title escapes me) Spock makes reference to "The (X) millions of peopl
FG>killed in your first World War, the (X) millions killed in your Second World
FG>War, the (X) millions killed in your third..."
FG> But in `The Omega Glory' he makes reference to how "...They fought the wa
FG>your Earth avoided."
FG> Go figure.
No necessary contradiction there - the world of Omega Glory apparently
fought an all-out war with nuclear devices and biological weapons that
destroyed their civilization completely. Earth managed to turn back
from the brink, and fought a war that was damaging but not sufficient
even to seriously slow progress into space, much less knock Earth back
to Stone Age/hunter-gatherer level.
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Msg : 319 of 384
From : Ecarey 1:101/230 .îí 22 .āé 95 15:36
To : Tom Huber
Subj : EARTH 2/SO LONG
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
> There were some technical inconsistencies that bothered me,
> especially
> the concept that the isolated colony wasn't all that isolated and
> that
> "big brother" could move in any time and take over...
That's because, even though they didn't know it when they arrived, Big Brother
was \already there\, and had his own plans inconsistent with theirs.
It wasn't, in fact, a "technical inconsistency".
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Msg : 320 of 384
From : VINCENT MCCONNELL 1:2601/574 .åō 25 .āé 95 19:03
To : MARK JONES
Subj : Re: Star Wars
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
|Mark|, of sept |Jones'ashain|, spoke thusly::
MJ> You guys seem to take it as a personal affront that I don't believe
MJ> that the second coming of Star Wars is imminent.
MJ> If you think so, fine. Somebody asked why I didn't believe it.
MJ> These were my reasons. If you aren't convinced, that's fine too.
MJ> Time will tell who was right.
I don't take personal affront, I think it's silly that you seem to be
utterly unbelieving in a press release by a pretty damn major company.
If you want to hold this huge evil opinion of SW fans, fine, but
having the mindset that Lucasfilm is outright lying is pretty absurd.
... "Bother," said Pooh, as the Red Ajah captured him.
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Msg : 321 of 384
From : VINCENT MCCONNELL 1:2601/574 .åō 25 .āé 95 19:45
To : DAVID JOHNSTON
Subj : Re: Sliders & Vr.5 Cancel
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
|David|, of sept |Johnston'ashain|, spoke thusly::
DJ> That program, entitled "Kindred" will be based on the best-selling
DJ> White Wolf roleplaying game "Vampire, the Masquerade". It will focus
DJ> on two brothers (probably twins) one of whom is still alive and the
