FG> It wouldn't have to be anything we did. Aliens could be xenophobic,
FG> too.
Guess you're right.
TK> Nuke us? Why would they? We are a quite peaceful race, living in a
TK> world which still has blue oceans and fertile agricultural areas. If
TK> they nuked us they wouldn't have the living world of today before
TK> them, just a sterile lifeless rock. I don't know, but I don't think
TK> this is their purpose.
FG> Their reply may be; "So what?"
Well yes, but in that case, why wait?
FG> It's very important that anyone following this thread understand that
FG> I think our first contact, in all likelyhood *will* be with benign,
FG> non-aggressive beings. I simply suspect they far outnumber the `bad
FG> guys.' However, I also never believed the argument that violent,
FG> aggressive races will destroy themselves before acheiving interstellar
FG> travel, either.
Why not? Civilisations could destroy themselves very easily, like if some
germ (produced) or some weapon would go "haywire".
FG> We should not develop a paranoia of our own, just be mindful of
FG> all the possibilites.
I totally agree. But all we can do is to hope there will be a peaceful
contact... like you and I do.
Sincerely,
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Msg : 149 of 284
From : Tommy Kellerman 2:205/356 .˙ō 16 .åâ 96 22:48
To : Mark Jones
Subj : Alien threats?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
In a message dated 12-Feb-96 01:18:04, Mark Jones wrote:
TK> Nuke us? Why would they? We are a quite peaceful race, living in a
TK> world which still has blue oceans and fertile agricultural areas. If
TK> they nuked us they wouldn't have the living world of today before
TK> them, just a sterile lifeless rock. I don't know, but I don't think
TK> this is their purpose.
MJ> Why would they nuke us? Why *wouldn't* they nuke us? I can think
MJ> of a number of reasons for them to nuke us.
All purely hypothetical, I hope... ?
MJ> 1. They're an alien form of life. They can't use our environment
MJ> (and therefore have no compunctions about destroying it), but consider
MJ> us a potential threat--we might get out and compete with them for
MJ> resources. So they eradicate us.
Well, haven't you considered the opportunity to cooperate? They get something
from us, and vice versa... They won't kick our asses before they have gotten
everything that they still haven't got, now IF, they are the enemy.
But I think I'm following Frank's footsteps rather than yours(no pun intended).
MJ> 2. We are unwilling and/or unable to worship their god(s). Maybe we
MJ> find their religion silly. Maybe we *can't* perform the proper
MJ> rituals of worship because we don't have the physiology required. In
MJ> any case, our failure to worship is an unforgiveable sin--so they nuke
MJ> us out of existence.
How do you know if they have a god? Maybe they don't have a religion at all.
But if they do in the way you're saying, I guess we're toast.
MJ> 3. We occupy a planet they can't use (they require a different
MJ> environment), but which an enemy race *could*. So they destroy the
MJ> planet (and us) to prevent the enemy from using it. [This is an old
MJ> and hallowed technique here on earth during warfare....]
If they're smart, they would USE us instead of terminating the entire planet.
Compared to them, we MAY be low-tech, but both sides may still benefit from an
alliance.
MJ> 4. We are violating any number of potential religious, political,
MJ> economic or social taboos--or are failing to comply with any number of
MJ> religious, political, economic or social customs. And they find our
MJ> behavior absolutely unforgiveable. So they eradicate us.
One would think that they would guide us "right" instead of killing us until
dead. If they're high-tech, why wouldn't they be "high-cult" and therefore
understandable... ?
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Msg : 150 of 284
From : Tommy Kellerman 2:205/356 .˙ō 16 .åâ 96 23:16
To : Kay Shapero
Subj : clarification
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
In a message dated 13-Feb-96 10:35:32, Kay Shapero wrote:
KS> I'm moderator of FILK - if you're interested in sf folksongs, come on
over some time!
Sorry for interrupting but, SF FOLKSONGS ???
Tell me all about it! (Can't access it from Sweden)
Sincerely,
/// -Tommy K.- \\\
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Msg : 151 of 284
From : Tommy Kellerman 2:205/356 .˙ō 16 .åâ 96 23:23
To : Hanke Penning
Subj : New here!
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
In a message dated 13-Feb-96 00:00:00, Hanke Penning wrote:
HP> Hello folks,
Hi Hank' ! :)
HP> I would like to introduce myself. I'am new in this area. I'm
HP> a SF-fan from germany (so my english might not be the best -
HP> sorry for that), 29 years old and sf-interested since I was
HP> 12 years old.
Well, I don't think there's someone around here sitting with their grammar-
books, don't worry about it.
HP> I prefered authors like John Brunner, John Sladek, sometimes
HP> Lem, but also Pratchett. Also I'm watching STARTREK on TV or
HP> BAB5 - but in my opinion the movies are better than the
HP> books.
I agree. Welcome!
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Msg : 152 of 284
From : Tommy Kellerman 2:205/356 .˙ō 16 .åâ 96 23:33
To : Frank Glover
Subj : BS!!
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
In a message dated 12-Feb-96 23:04:05, Frank Glover wrote:
CO> our planet. And that is, the factor that we humans are the worst
CO> forms
CO> of life in the entire universe. Number one factor is that we attack
FG> Umm, you must have access to something I greatly wish the rest of had:
FG> knowledge of the existence and nature of intelligent life elsewhere in
FG> the universe. How else can you know that?
FG> We need to clean up our act, it's true. It's also possible to be
FG> *worse* than us.
Ever seen the movie "Dune"? The Harkonnens are crueller than any humans I've
seen in fiction, installing "heart plugs" and so on...
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Msg : 153 of 284
From : Frank Glover 1:2613/477 .ķá 17 .åâ 96 23:38
To : Nicolai Shapero
Subj : Re: Star Trek Generations
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
NS> I'll have to dig out my tape of ALL GOOD THINGS to be sure, of
NS> course. But based on the end of GENERATIONS, with the Enterprise D
NS> declared "scrap/no salvage attempt" it looks like a "refitted" E-D is
NS> definitely not a possibility for the "core" timeline.
Agreed. Like Ebenezer Scrooge's headstone (ATG had a Dickenesian flavor to
it, don't you think?), that upgraded Enterprise-D is a future that might have
been, but now cannot.
Side note: Skimming the opening pages of Shatner's `The Ashes of Eden,' we're
given a scene where Spock stands at the crude gravesite of Kirk (although
knowing that his body had already been removed by Starfleet rescue teams),
contemplating how he'd cheated death still one more time to get that far. And
either his thoughts or the narrative refers to Fleet engineers dismantling the
saucer of the E-D in the distance. Not for salvage or recovery, for Prime
Directive concerns. The inhabited world in that system that Kirk and Picard had
saved, would eventually learn interplanetary travel, come here, and must find no
evidence of other intelligence. At least, presumably, until they got warp
technology.
This isn't canon, of course, but it makes sense. Had she come down in some
remote system with no sentients, I suppose it would be a matter of ripping out
any espically senitive technology, and abandoning the rest.
Frank
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Msg : 154 of 284
From : Anne Swasey 1:2613/313 .ķá 17 .åâ 96 07:39
To : Christian Raven
Subj : Re: Star Trek
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
You failed to make your point that women are as you define them to be
and quite completely ignored all that I had said explaining past
accomplishments or lack thereof. It seems you wish to see us as less
than whatever you view youself to be. (quite possibly cute nice
additions) However, I find that insulting. I do not think that you are
up for a debate. In other words, I perceive you to be simply opinionated
& wishing to express it. Therefore, I am closing my end to this
*discussion*.
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Msg : 155 of 284
From : Kim Wheat 1:271/285 .ķá 17 .åâ 96 14:05
To : Channon Lang
Subj : Star Trek
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
---<<*<<< Channon dazzled Buc Wheat with these words of wisdom!! >>>**>>----
KW> Found them on sale and bought up a /bunch/ of um! :>
CL> So where do you get yours? On sale, I mean.
At our nearby CUDDLES store, of course! :>
KW> Re: B5
KW> Will be watching the new episode on Wednesday and I'll let you know.
CL> I missed the one Wednesday...did you see it?...Actually, I thought it
CL> was on Sunday....or are you talking about DS9?
Depends on the area, when the shows are shown. Here in ol' Va Beach,
we have X-files (Fri), DS9 (Sat), Highlander (Sun), V'ger (Mon) and
B5 (Wed).
On the B5 episode....the plot just happened to be a tried and blue
plot-line....the ol' alien symbiote thingie. But I didn't mind that
due to the fact that when I first watched B5 in season one, I was
always impressed with the plot. The beef I had w/ the TV series was
the dismal acting and the characters overall. And that's what I
paid the most attention to on Wednesday.
(Pardon me for not knowing character names here...) but the senior
female bridge officer was VASTLY improved since I've last watched
it. And the guy was had the long black hair and beard....really
really enjoyed him...reminded me of a medieval bard...is he a
regular cast member?? The security chief hasn't changed much, but
then it was the only character I enjoyed in season 1, so that too
was okay.
Didn't see the alien dude with the fan type hair, in this one. The
guy who reminded me of the typical Russian-Guy. He was the one that
truly irked me....him and that lizard looking guy. Don't know if they
are still in the show or not.
The Captain wasn't seen much in this episode, so didn't have a chance
