change our own and had more than any one else...What was the question?
How many Vorlons: Yesss
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Msg : 108 of 322
From : Bruce Baugh 1:105/290.50 .˙ō 09 .ūí 95 04:55
To : Frank Eva
Subj : B5 Renewed!
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (07 Jun 95) Frank Eva wrote to Richard Yamagata...
FE> I think what makes this look bad is that prior to the offer,
FE> JMS took such a hard line against franchising B5. He now
FE> looks a bit hypocritical...
I'll argue both the major and minor premises - and I've been
following B5 discussions on GEnie since before the pilot aired.
JMS has never taken "a hard line" against franchising. He's taken a
hard line against schlock. From what I hear, the MicroMachines
models are well-done. Which is fine.
He's never quite come out and said, "The B5 novels bite the wax
tadpole." But he's sure danced up to the edge of saying that; it
sounds like the deal he ended up with there is not the deal he
thought he had, and any hypothetical future books are going to be
written by people _he_ picks, rather than assigned to him by the
publisher.
Likewise, he's been pretty decent about not bashing the faults of
the comic book, starting with the ghastly coloring. But his quiet
about a lot of aspects is itself indicative.
By the way, I must say that I don't think much of your complaint
aobut the comic not advancing the arc. What did you expect? The
point of the TV show is that it should stand on its own - people
shouldn't _have_ to get anything but the show to follow the major
developments. We are fortunate in having secondary media that affect
the show at all: compare the Trek novels and comics, with their
total disconnection from the show.
Back at the screed, then, I think you've misunderstood JMS' original
position.
... Madness takes its toll. Please have exact change.
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Msg : 109 of 322
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .˙ō 09 .ūí 95 06:20
To : Brian Henderson
Subj : Babylon 5 (Pten)
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.42.bA 8060
BH>FE> I think what Richard meant was that B5 is not as accepted as Star
BH>FE> Trek; therefore, it's future is always going to be tenuous...
BH>Which is very true. B5 isn't "accepted" because B5 doesn't have a big
BH>corporation the keeps throwing money at it in almost limitless
BH>amounts.
According to the latest TV Guide, B5 didn't even rank in the top 120
shows this season... What gives?
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Msg : 110 of 322
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .˙ō 09 .ūí 95 06:20
To : Kay Shapero
Subj : Babylon 5 (PTEN)
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.42.bA 8060
KS>Do you mean you somehow got hold of JMS' files, or just that you
KS>figure you've deduced the lot by this point in the story? Like the
Oh come on Kay, do you mean to tell me you don't recognize the ongoing
storyline revolving around the "shadows" as perhaps the most important
facet to the story arc revealed so far?
KS>guys who kept insisting it was all Lord of the Rings. He did say to
KS>expect surprises...
That wasn't me, and I do expect lots of surprises... :-)
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Msg : 111 of 322
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .˙ō 09 .ūí 95 06:21
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : Babylon 5 (PTEN)
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.42.bA 8060
JH>FE>Probably the same way he feels about the B5 comics, which also
JH>FE>don't
JH>So how is that, then? I didn't think you had contact with JMS.
Just guessing, but it seems obvious to me that JMS is not going to let
the B5 comics or novels advance the main storyline of B5: The TV Series.
JH>FE>ref: Kosh revealed?
JH>FE>JH>I'm thinking it'll be a CGI ball of light,
JH>FE>Based on the first season episode in which Kosh as a "ball of
JH>FE>light" moved back and forth in front of a translucent screen?
JH>Partially, although I don't remember/haven't seen that one; JK told
JH>me about it. I'm just guessing at it being reminiscent of the classic
JH>portrayal of angels/God in some way without being too obvious/cheesy.
Last season, because of this episode, I speculated that Kosh's people
were "energy beings", but then I was reminded that they do need an
artificial "environment" inside B5, and that Kosh had actually been
poisoned in one episode, both of which seem to imply more than an energy
being is inside that encounter suit...
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Msg : 112 of 322
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .˙ō 09 .ūí 95 06:21
To : Craig Palme
Subj : Voyager Nose Diving?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.42.bA 8060
CP>That may be premature. I'd like to give the show a chance. Remember
CP>that when ST:TNG first came on, people didn't like it and made
CP>comparisons to ST:TOS.
I have given it a chance. I taped all of the first 9 episodes, and will
keep them in my collection. Since then, the quality has nosedived, and
the writers seem content to rehash old themes.
BTW, I thought the first season of TNG was EXCELLENT! I was not one of
the doomsayers. At this point, I plan on giving Voyager a chance, but I
really hope the writers are rejuvenated by next season...
CP>But your point is well made. I think it has to do with the fact that
CP>there is no underlying story unfolding. No plots and sub-plots that
CP>trail from episode to episode as is with Babylon 5.
I have never expected a "continuing" story in any Star Trek. In fact,
that is proving a major disadvantage for diehard B5 fans who have now
been told that they won't have any more of the B5 story until next
October. If this show hadn't been a continuing story, it would have been
much easier to accept a major postponement, but to have 4 episodes
postponed 4 months when you were expecting them now, is almost too much
to bear, especially considering we won't even see the 2nd season
"finale" this season!
CP>I'll have to wait and see what develops down the road. Hopefully it
CP>won't turn out to be as disappointing as ST:DS9 has turned out to be.
Yeah, that's one show I can not bring myself to watch! And that's quite
an admission coming from a diehard trekker like myself...
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Msg : 113 of 322
From : Frank Eva 1:154/750 .˙ō 09 .ūí 95 06:21
To : All
Subj : B5 TAPES?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: FastEcho 1.42.bA 8060
Well, the videotapes of the first season of B5 that were supposed to be
released 6 months ago have still not arrived! For those of you who were
expecting/hoping for the tapes (and/or the laserdiscs), I suggest you
not hold your breath! :-)
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Msg : 114 of 322
From : Lanae Lauderdale 1:106/440 .˙ō 09 .ūí 95 07:09
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : SLIDERS KILLED TOO!!
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
.TID: InterEcho 1.04 6E010618
Interesting.... Wonder why Jerry Doyle told us he had just received the news?
Just trying to impress us? That didn't seem to be his style!
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Msg : 115 of 322
From : Demian Katz 1:2626/102 .˙ō 09 .ūí 95 11:00
To : Frank Eva
Subj : Re: I saw the missing Earth 2
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
> Was this the one that was preempted by the NBA game? How the heck did
> you get to see it?
NBC put it on sneakily in a late-night time slot, and it wasn't listed
in the TV Guide here... I missed it, and so far have been unable to find
anyone who taped it.. :(
Demian
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Msg : 116 of 322
From : Ecarey 1:101/230 .˙ō 09 .ūí 95 11:19
To : Frank Eva
Subj : VOYAGER NOSE DIVING?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
> E>Frank, the demographics of the Voyager crew are the normal
> E>demographics of a naval ship - except that the average age of the
> E>Voyager crew may in fact be a tad HIGHER than in "real life".
>
FE> That matters not to me... I simply don't like the balance they've
> achieved and all the reasoning in the world about the 'reality' of
> it,
> isn't going to get me to change my mind.
OH, so you're saying they had an obligation to be guided by the demographics
that you personally prefer, rather than by what's plausible for the setting of
the show, in order to be considered a "good" show?
> E>The officers on B5 are older, because that's a diplomatic post
> with
> E>lots of tensions just below the surface.
>
FE> Yes, and I prefer it this way. Even Lt. Keffer looks more like an
> adult
> than some of Voyager's wet-behind-the-ears crew.
All you're saying here is that you personally prefer a show with older
characters. This is as reasonable a personal preference as any [and one I
partially share - remember the discussions of who and how old the captain of the
Voyager was going to be?], but it's strictly personal preference and says
nothing about the quality of the show.
Having such young characters making up a large part of the personnel of B5 WOULD
be poor work, because such young characters don't belong in those jobs. But
equally, having the Voyager crew consist entirely of older, experienced officers
without a large contingent of brand-new academy grads would ALSO be poor work,
because it's so implausible for the setting. Older officers are doing other
jobs. Only the captain, XO, and department heads would tend to be older people,
and that's what we have on Voyager, except in engineering, where all the older
officers were \killed\.
Once they decided on the setting for the new Trek show, the fact that most of
the officers and crew would be young was a forgone conclusion. So they didn't
produce exactly the show YOU want - so what? Both DS9 and B5 have older casts
and are aimed at somewhat older audiences. You're not being persecuted, Frank.
