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Msg : 117 of 322
From : Ecarey 1:101/230 .˙ō 09 .ūí 95 11:26
To : Brian Henderson
Subj : BABYLON 5 (PTEN)
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
> FE> I think what Richard meant was that B5 is not as accepted as
> Star
> FE> Trek; therefore, it's future is always going to be tenuous...
>
BH> Which is very true. B5 isn't "accepted" because B5 doesn't have a
> big
> corporation the keeps throwing money at it in almost limitless
> amounts.
> I *WISH* B5 had that kind of support, but there are few, if any
> other
> shows that do get the kind of monetary and media push that Paramount
> has
> given Star Trek in all of it's later incarnations.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
And that last is the critical point, of course. B5 isn't being specially
put-upon; it's just a new show in a category the industry doesn't understand all
that well, that hasn't had Trek's three decades yet to build its audience and
\convince\ Warner to lavish money on it the way Paramount lavishes money on
Trek.
Remember, B5 has only just come to the end of its second season. At the end of
ITS second season, Trek was \cancelled\ and saved only by the unprecedented
enthusiasm of its fans. And in its third season, it was given a lousy time-slot
and starved for funds.
Compared to where Trek was at this point in its history, B5 is doing quite well,
so quitcherbellyachin'.
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Msg : 118 of 322
From : Ecarey 1:101/230 .˙ō 09 .ūí 95 11:31
To : Frank Eva
Subj : B5 RERUNS???
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
> EG> As for the big question, Warner Bros. has decided to hold the
> last
> EG> four episodes until *October*, allegedly to build interest for
> the
> EG> beginning of the third season, which hasn't even been approved
> at
> EG> this time. Season 2 will be re-running ad nauseum till then.
>
FE> Maybe the WB Network intends to make B5 its "flagship" next year???
> But
> don't they think they can have 4 great episodes ready for the start
> of
> next season??? How can they have a season 2 "finale" if they
> postpone it
> until next season???
>
FE> IMO, this seems like a really BAD move... It is going to incense
> diehard
> B5 fans who were expecting 4 more eps this season...
But they're less interested in the "die-hard B5 fans" WHO WILL WATCH THE SHOW
ANYWAY, than they are in the larger audience they need and want for the show to
be really profitable, and who will by and large NOT be watching much television
in July and hence would MISS those four episodes. It's much more useful from
the perspective of building a larger general audience for the show, and
generating more ad revenue to PAY for the show, to hold the four episodes and
run them in October, when most of its competition will still be in reruns, but
the viewers will be home and watching tv.
There's advantages to starting the season four weeks early.
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Msg : 119 of 322
From : Ecarey 1:101/230 .˙ō 09 .ūí 95 11:39
To : Steven Wesen
Subj : RE: ST: VOYAGER SURVIVES
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
> The Idea of Holigramatic crew members or Holigramatic people was
> created by
> RED DWARF months before Star Trek the Next Generation even started
> filming thier first episode.
Too late to have much influence on TNG, even assuming that the Trek staff
noticed RED DWARF \immediately\, which is unlikely. Certainly it could have had
some influence on Voyager, but the similarities are much less than you seem to
think, and some of the things you think are stolen from RED DWARF have been
around for several millenia - I was NOT kidding when I asked if you'd read THE
ODYSSEY.
> I do not want knock Star Trek but there are other forms of Science
> Fiction they emulate.
You have seemed to be making a determined effort to identify every feature of
Trek as a ripoff of RED DWARF. Unfortunately, your reference in an earlier post
to the "cheeky" reference to a "red dwarf" renders whatever point you might have
had utterly foolish. Red dwarf stars are quite real, and common enough that
\failure\ to encounter one occasionally would be far more striking in a show
about intersteller travel.
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Msg : 120 of 322
From : Allison Urschel 1:123/75 .˙ō 09 .ūí 95 16:11
To : All
Subj : I Found An X-files BOard
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
I was just playing around on a BBS when I decided to go through the message
areas to see if it had X-Files, and it did. Of course I live in Memphis,
Tennessee, so probably everyone doesn't have it. If you want the number, just
ask. Basically all the BBS is is the regular, you know, games, files, and a
message area.
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Msg : 121 of 322
From : John Kahane 1:163/198.5 .˙ō 09 .ūí 95 17:44
To : Jeff Hancock
Subj : B5 Delays
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
In a message of , Jeff Hancock scribed:
JK>> The Brits (and presumably the rest of Europe) are going to
JK>> be seeing the final four episodes of the second season in
JK>> June/July; we're going to have to wait until October for
JK>> them. *sigh*
JH> Has there been any explanation given for why this is?
All I know, based on what Joe has said elsewhere, is that it had something
to do with a) the way the contracts for B5 showing in European markets were set
up and b) a decision on the part of PTEN to show the episodes near the beginning
of the 3rd Season here so as to avoid the pitfalls of small television markets
over the course of the summer.
There may be more to it than that, but if there is, I don't know about it.
John
.....
The trouble with being a god is that you've got no one to pray to. (SG)
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Msg : 122 of 322
From : John Kahane 1:163/198.5 .˙ō 09 .ūí 95 17:51
To : Richard Yamagata
Subj : B5 RERUNS???
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On , Richard Yamagata wrote the following to Frank
Eva:
RY> The executives at PTEN decided that airing the last 4 episodes
RY> of Babylon 5 during the "summer" was a waste of good, first
RY> run material. These episodes are not going to be run in the US
RY> until October, right before the start of the 1995-6 season.
RY> It makes no sense to me. My list for Sacramento is:
RY> 10/01/95 Divided Loyalties
RY> 10/08/95 The Long, Twilight Struggle
RY> 10/15/95 Comes the Inquisitor
RY> 10/22/95 The Fall of Night (season finale)
RY> The price of peace seems to be missing from this list from
RY> Channel 31.
The reason "The Price of Peace" is missing from that list is the fact that
that was the former title of the episode that is now called "The Fall of Night."
John
.....
Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, especially simian ones. They're not
all that subtle. (L&L)
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Msg : 123 of 322
From : John Kahane 1:163/198.5 .˙ō 09 .ūí 95 17:54
To : Frank Eva
Subj : B5 Takes
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
In a message of , Frank Eva scribed:
FE> Except that we may not see the season's finale until NEXT
FE> season! I simply don't understand how they can postpone the
FE> last 4 eps until next season. This is a major disappointment
FE> to me. I have sent e-mail to JMS asking him to confirm this
FE> rumor...
Not a rumour, Frank, a fact of life. One that we're not all that happy
about, and one that JMS agrees with us on, even if he can't say so. To be
honest, it was not in JMS's control, since it's a decision made by the Powers
That Be at PTEN.
John
.....
"Go ahead, bake my quiche." - Magrat Garlick (L&L)
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Msg : 124 of 322
From : Lawrence E Dunlap 1:106/2927 .˙ō 09 .ūí 95 18:38
To : Robert Lidgren
Subj : Re: EARTH 2/SO LONG Page 1
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-=> Quoting Robert Lidgren to Steven Wesen <=-
RL> I sympathize with your feelings. I felt that way too, at times. I
RL> guess I just WISH the whole enterprise would have packed a more
RL> powerful PUNCH. And, I'm sure the people working on the series worked
RL> their hearts out trying to make it a success. Oh well, it wasn't a
RL> waste of time and it does teach us lessons. I just hope that non-Star
RL> Trek universe series can thrive. We need all the variety possible.
RL> Cheers,
RL> Robert Lidgren (1:134/10)
A Infuriated Lawrence E Dunlap is mad as the devil. He now can't bear to not
type the following:
_Earth 2_ lacked sufficient development time prior to premiering on NBC. Most
science fantasy programs which have failed also did so because
meddlesome/paranoid aged TV programming execs where their jobs are constantly on
'the bubble' if there isn't HIGH "TOP 10" RATINGS/HIGH AUDIENCE SHARE
out of the show they champion.
Network TV cannot risk losing advertisers who jump from low rated programs
because that means giving back dollars they've already taken to the bank.
So, rather than redesign the functional system for maintaining/increasing
advertising revenues and network profits, perhaps we should ask instead:
Will future attempts at Science fantasy TV take more time to properly predevelop
a show *before* trying to market it to a broadcast/cable company?
The other reason why _Star Trek_ sells so well is that little scientific
knowledge is required to assimilate the suitably of the shows for TV.
Evidently every previous Non Trek SF show has failed to sufficiently develop
their concept to obviate any substanial science knowledge in the
TV suits than normally believed tolerable by the mythical American TV viewer.
Are *college graduates* living and working *in* Network TV and Hollywood?
Perhaps we can't believe that.
The network sacrifical suits exhibit allergic reactions to any higher math
beyond that needed to manipulate the ancient
abacus, suffer symptoms of Scientific Information Tolerance Deficiency Syndrome
