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I'm sitting here watching The Invaders (the new mini-series) and was
wondering if anyone else finds it as boring as I do. Unbelievable!
Not to mention bad acting, cliched writing, and a plot that really
makes no sense. I never saw the series, but I bet it was much better
than this. Sheesh, very disappointing.
Frank
... ALL DONE - BYE BYE!
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Msg : 126 of 300
From : Frank Swarbrick 1:104/825 .ōp 14 Hî˙ 95 20:15
To : Brandon Wolgast
Subj : Foundation series?
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.TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 92-0022
On 11-12-95 16:41 Ambassador Brandon Wolgast of the Minbari Federation said:
BW> Long ago (way back in my sophomore year of high school) I read about
BW> half way through "Foundation" and never finished it. Just recently I
BW> was at a book store and saw like five Foundation novels. I'm a big
BW> sci-fi fan but just never read these, so of course I want to. My
BW> question is, what order do they go in? I thought "Foundation" was the
BW> first one but there is also a "Prelude to Foundation" among others, and
BW> unlike for instance the Dune books it doesn't tell anywhere that I can
BW> see on the books what order to read them in. So if someone could tell
BW> me what order the Foundation books go in I would really appreciate it.
BW> Thanks a lot.
I'm sure someone will give you the correct answer, but anyway...
Something I always do is check the original copyright date, and read
it in that order. This way you'll read them in the order they were
published, even though in this case I think _Forward the Foundation_
was the last one written.
Frank
... There's someone in my head, but it's not me.
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Msg : 127 of 300
From : Ken Mayes 1:393/7 .åō 16 Hî˙ 95 16:59
To : Chris Carter
Subj : Re: B5 -- Coincidence?
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On Thu 16-Nov-1995 7:08a, Chris Carter wrote:
CC> And none of those plots or plot elements *pre-date* anime? No,
CC> clearly anime invented all which is good in epic SF these days.
CC> Funny, I remember hearing the exact same argument applied to Star
CC> Trek.
I never claimed that Yamato invented all which is good in Epic SF. All I
said was that several plot elements which were used in several prominant science
fiction series and movies turned up there previously.
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Msg : 128 of 300
From : Ken Mayes 1:393/7 .åō 16 Hî˙ 95 17:28
To : David Johnston
Subj : Re: B5 -- Coincidence?
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On Wed 15-Nov-1995 3:49a, David Johnston wrote:
DJ> Hmm. Yamato, I believe, is a story in which a World War II battleship
DJ> is salvaged and converted into a spaceship in order to go on a mission
DJ> to save the Earth from an alien menace. Apart from "spaceship" and
DJ> "alien menace", these plot elements don't exactly ring a bell.
The basic plot from the first serial of Yamato was a recreation of
"Jason and the Argonaughts". The story was so recognizable that in the British
version Susumo Kodai was given the name Jason Kodai. In the American version he
was called Derek Wildstar but the ship had it's name changed from Yamato to
Argo.
The similarities to Star Wars came in beginning with the classical
character archtypes used.
Avatar = Obiwan Kenobie
Wildstar = Luke Skywalker (although his personality more closely matched
Han Solo.
Venture = Han Solo
Nova = Princess Lea
And then the methods of space combat used bore a striking ressemblance.
Large laser gun turrets mounted on huge rumbling starships accompanied by tiny
one man fighters. Prior to Star Wars and Yamato I don't recall any other series
of filmed SF using those elements. Perhaps they did exist in print but I'm not
aware of them. (I'm open to education here)
I tell
DJ> you something though. If you came up with a capacious list of
DJ> similarites between Yamato and American SF shows, I'd be willing to bet
DJ> that for each one, I could find a matching example from American SF
DJ> prior to Yamato.
Wow! That would be a challenge. Okay...
Fist season: Episode 7 and 8. The Argo upon leaving the Earth's solar
system discovers a Gamilon military installation on Pluto. In order to protect
Earth from further attack from that base the Argo attacks. They discover though
that the planet is defended by a large laser cannon with reflector satallites in
orbit so that the Gamilons can hit any target around the planet. A small
commando team is sent down to destroy the gun.
The story is basically "The guns of Navarone". In 1979, Battlestar
Galactica did the story again in the episode called "Gun on Ice Planet Zero".
The Yamato episode was better written.
2nd season: Episode 4. The crew of the Argo, convinced that a call for
help has been recieved ignores the Earth Defense Command's desicion to ignore
the message. They conspire together to meet at the dry-docked Argo and steal the
ship for an unauthorized rescue mission. Shades of Star Trek III.
Again second season: Episode 5. After blasting their way through the
dockyard gates and escaping into space with the Argo, the EDF dispatches the
flagship of the fleet, The Andromeda to retrieve the Argo. (Again shades of Star
Trek III.)
Second season: The climatic battles between the Comet Empire and the
Earth fleet. Glen Larson actually signed a statement that he based Battlestar
Galactica on these elements. This was done to partially ward off a lawsuit by
George Lucas, but in order to work HAD to have a grain of truth.
Second Season: The Comet Empire battlefortress, closely resembles the
Death Star both in form and function.
Second and third season: The former enemies of the Earth government, the
Gamilons, make peace. They are just as dangerous if not more so as allies than
they were as enemies. Shades of the Klingons from Next Generation.
There are more. I'll try to go back over the series and post what I find
in a few days.
I almost forgot...the Space Marines from Blazers turned up in B-5 too.
Except that in Blazers/Yamato they had a reason to be surly and fight everyone.
They'd just had their butts kicked by the Comet Empire and found themselves
rescued by the Space Jockies as they called them. Their pride was hurt. Then to
add insult to injury, there was nothing for them to do on the ship. The Space
Jockies kept telling them they weren't "Qualified" to fly the planes, shoot the
guns, you name it. Naturally, they were angry. They wanted tro strike back at
the enemy which had hurt them, but found they couldn't. So they struck back at
their benefactors instead...the crew of the Argo. Eventually, they did get their
chance to fight and became fast friends and allies with the Space Jockies.
The Marines on B-5 fought too. They fought civilians, they fought
officers, they fought each other...and for no good reason. And the silly thing
is that when I pointed this out originally someone came back and replied "That's
what Marines do." Ahem, that was without a doubt the silliest reply I ever got.
Marines are trained from the get go to think and act as a team. A team doesn't
fight against itself. Marines will fight against sailors, army, airforce, even
civilians. But they fight as a team, and they don't fight each other in brawls
and they sure as heck don't fight their officers!
Well, time to get off my soap box for now.
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Msg : 129 of 300
From : Ken Mayes 1:393/7 .åō 16 Hî˙ 95 17:59
To : All
Subj : Re: Foundation series?
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You might also want to check out the Robot series which actually sort of
leads into the Foundation series. R Daneel Olivaw turns up in the later
Foundation novels if I remember right.
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Msg : 130 of 300
From : Kevin Ahearn 1:109/104 .åō 16 Hî˙ 95 19:44
To : Owen E. Oulton
Subj : Foundation series?
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OEO> True. Indeed, the original (and, to my mind, only
OEO> worthwhile) Foundation books, Foundation, Foundation
OEO> And Empire and Second Foundation were written in the
OEO> early 1940, and all the others produced over 40 years
OEO> later, in what I believe to be a misguided attempt to
OEO> join up the Foundation and Robots series. I find that
OEO> they add nothing to the grand vision of the originals,
OEO> and indeed take away from them in many cases.
I think you're right about that...the original trilogy (actually three
collections of short stories) really didn't need the "robot connection." It
seems as if Asimov wanted to connect all of his stories into a "future history"
and ended up needing a really big shoehorn to make them all fit.
--Kevin
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Msg : 131 of 300
From : Earl Green 1:3822/1 .åō 16 Hî˙ 95 21:04
To : All
Subj : B5 magazine available
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Just picked up the official B5 magazine today, and it was honestly
better than I expected. I anticipated the usual Sendai Publishing mix
of a great photo layout and lazy, repetitious text, but boy was I wrong.
For once, the articles and interviews are very in-depth and interesting,
and revealed a lot of stuff I hadn't heard or read anywhere else (not
even here!). And as usual with Sendai's stuff, the pictures and the
layout are fantastic. I highly recommend the B5 mag to those
interested!
e <-- Earl Green (earl.green@f1.n3822.z1.fidonet.org) 1:3822/1
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Msg : 132 of 300
From : Phill Ash 1:275/160 .åō 16 Hî˙ 95 07:02
To : Marc Zingarelli
Subj : Highlander: New Season
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MZ> Now that's depressing!!! Let's hope not. The season seems to be going
MZ> pretty good this year and I must say I'm impressed. Any word on
MZ> renewal yet?
RENEWAL???!!!
We're talkin' 'bout Highlander, not Logan's Ru...
nevermind
