DW> I seem to remember George Lucas saying the same thing, yet
DW> there are still numerous reports that exist to this day
DW> stating that he was in Japan around the time that Yamato I
DW> first aired. Then when Lucas sued Larson for ripping off Star
DW> Wars with Galactica, Larson asked Nishizaki for a letter
DW> stating that it was Yamato that Galactica attempted to
DW> emulate...not SW (this came out in an interview with Nishizaki
DW> in a national Anime magazine article earlier this year).
While this is certainly very interesting, what does it have to do
with JMS saying he hasn't seen any/much anime? Were George and Joe
siamese twins at the time that George went to Japan?
Your basic premise is that folks most commonly lift plots from
contemporary material. This premise cannot be adequately proven in
most instances, and I would imagine cannot be proven where B5 is
involved.
Parallel development: yeah, I believe that. Limited number of
basic, epic style plots to work with: yeah, I believe that.
Everybody's mimicing anime: sorry, I'm not convinced, nor will I
ever likely be.
Chris - carter@teleport.com
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Msg : 118 of 300
From : Chris Carter 1:105/290.23 .pä 15 Hî˙ 95 07:35
To : Ken Mayes
Subj : B5 -- Coincidence?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (12 Nov 95) Ken Mayes wrote to Chris Carter...
KM> ...one or two coincidences I could write off but when show
KM> after show, Bab-5, Trek, Space, Star Wars, continue to lift
KM> those plots and plot elements so consistently, I start to
KM> wonder.
And none of those plots or plot elements *pre-date* anime? No,
clearly anime invented all which is good in epic SF these days.
Funny, I remember hearing the exact same argument applied to Star
Trek.
Chris - carter@teleport.com
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Msg : 119 of 300
From : Chris Carter 1:105/290.23 .pä 15 Hî˙ 95 07:38
To : All
Subj : JMS on plagiarism
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
To followup those two messages about lifting from anime that I just
posted, here are two very recent messages from JMS. These were
posted to rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5 on Usenet after yet more clue-void
people posted junk about how JMS is rewriting Lord of the Rings, and
various other books.
[begin text import]
From: straczynski@genie.geis.com
Date: 1995/10/30
Subject: ATTN JMS:The Quintara Marathon
newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5
No, I've never read them. "I am wondering if they had any relation
to B5." No, because that is called plagiarism.
I'm not yelling at you, James, I'm just taking a moment here to make
a general comment.
Ahem. To everyone looking on.
STOP ASKING ME IF I AM DOING ONE BOOK OR ANOTHER BY ANOTHER WRITER.
That is called plagiarism. It's called theft. It's not a question
that novel writers get, only TV writers. I know that's not your intent,
but that's what it is. I didn't fight for five years to make this show to
do somebody else's story. This is its own story. Nobody else's. It may
not occur to you -- likely does not -- but this is a *supremely* offensive
comment to any writer. It implies that one cannot come up with one's own
story, one has to borrow or rip off from somebody else...again, a comment
usually directed toward TV writers. I've never seen a novelist asked if
he was doing somebody else's novel.
I may sometimes nod in tribute to those works that have come before,
but that's all it ever is.
jms
From: straczynski@genie.geis.com
Date: 1995/10/30
Subject: Re: Attn Jms: More PKD in B5,
newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5
Okay, I've just read a bunch more of these...okay, I admit it, you
got me...I'm doing Philip K. Dick right down the line...and I'm also
doing George Orwell right down the line...and I'm doing Lord of the
Rings beat for beat...and Chalker...and...and Cherryh...and I'm doing
a variation on the Bible, and King Arthur, and the history of Babylon,
and the Idylls of the King....
What? What's that you say? You can't be doing all of these right
down the line, all at the same time? Sure I can. Because there IS no
B5. There's a blank signal that registers in your brain, triggering the
last thing you read, or the most important thing you read. It's a
carefully rigged US Government psychological warfare experiment.
I give up.
jms
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Msg : 120 of 300
From : Karmin St.Jean 1:321/325 .åō 09 Hî˙ 95 16:51
To : Shawn Merrow
Subj : Q HEADING FOR VOYAGER
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
SM>If Q bring Riker to tesitfy for him and Riker testomny dams him. Wont
SM>this leave a opening for him to be stranded on Voyager. This dosent
SM>sound good "Sorry Chakotay youre a criminal he is a Starfleet commander
SM>youre fired." Though it would be intersting to find out how the crew
SM>reacts to whats going on in the alpha quadrent (Cardassin goverment
SM>overthrown etc.).
Shawn,
Perhaps with everyone in the Continuum except Amanda Rogers (and very
probably Trellane) named Q, you are mildly confused about this trial. It
is not our Q (nor Q2 (Corbin Bernsen)) who is being tried. It is another
Q, (played by Gerritt Graham (can we say "Stan Putterman", boys and
girls?)) who is going to be on trial when he requests asylum so he can
kill himself (if he gets to become human, how much you want to bet that
dear ol' Captain Janeway tries to force him to not take his own life. If
he does get permission to end it all, will they have a holo-Kevorkian
assist him?) because he's tired of immortality because he's utterly
bored. (He should go chasing after his little brother for a bit. That
would keep him from being bored. If this new Q wants to die so badly all
he has to do is take credit somewhere for something our Q did and sooner
or later someone'll show up to kill him!
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Msg : 121 of 300
From : Jo De Man 2:291/1102.10 .ķá 11 Hî˙ 95 10:27
To : Star Hawk
Subj : Weber
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Hallo Star!
05 Nov 95, Star Hawk writes to Jo De Man:
SH> From my perch I saw this come out of the gravity well from Jo De Man:
[>> Jo De Man [> Any David Weber fans out there ?
He's one of the few authors who can describe space combat so visually that it's
like watching a movie...
SH> Rabid fan here! Met him this summer and found him to be a man i
SH> could see eye-to-eye with on most subjects. He also tells a good
SH> tale
SH> in person.
Met the guy .. waw ;
If you don't mind my asking, how did that happen ? Talk about anything
interesting ?
tell me if I've missed any books (kind of hard to get a hold of them in
Belgium)
-Insurrection
-Oath of swords (hope he writes a sequel to that one)
-muteneers' Moon & armageddon inheritance (gimme more!)
-path of the fury (!)
-crusade
-Honor harrington on basilisk station
honor of the queen
short victorious war
field of dishonor
flag in exile
Any new ones forthcoming ?
Live long and prosper,
Jo De Man
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Msg : 122 of 300
From : Tommy Kellerman 2:205/356 .pä 15 Hî˙ 95 01:31
To : Jo De Man
Subj : Species
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
In a message dated 06-Nov-95 19:57:00, Jo De Man wrote:
JDM> Hallo Tommy!
Yo Jo...
TK> Does anyone out there know anything about this movie called "Species"
JDM> I haven't sen it but from what I hear on Fidonet you wouldn't want to...
What have you heard about it ? In European MTV it won't go a single day
without at least ten screenflashes, but UK always get ahead on us at the movie
part.
JDM> Live long and prosper,
U2! CU...
Tommy K. /// -NoLimit BBS- \\\
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Msg : 123 of 300
From : Anne Hardcastle 1:393/7 .pä 15 Hî˙ 95 21:59
To : Charles Halliburton
Subj : Re: X-files
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Well they have not returned to any government/FBI stuff since the season openers
and I think this parade of freaks is getting old. You can really see with these
re-runs that one of the shows major pluses is the relationship between Mulder
and Scully (which has been pretty strictly avoided since premier) and the whole
government involvement which is always great.
I think that they may have written themselves into a bit of a hole that will
take real work to get out of. But seeing the dynamic duo back at headquarters
would be very cool. Also, I love seeing "other" FBI guys and their attitude
towards x-files and Mulder, etc. That was very interesting in the first Tooms
episode.
I still like the episodes we have seen and think it is the number one best show
on tv these days.
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Msg : 124 of 300
From : David Johnston 1:342/14 .pä 15 Hî˙ 95 11:42
To : Gary Warren
Subj : Spoiled Little Green Men
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
-> But were the nurse and her fiance' supposed to represent ANYBODY,
-> either in the fictional TREK universe or someone historical?? When
-> the show kept concentrating on them, esp. during her "strange new
-> worlds" speech, we thought the ep's writers were trying to tell us
-> something. WERE they??
A big deal was made about allegedly vanishing nurses at Roswell. More
to the point however, the two lovebirds were just standard lead
characters from a 1950s science fiction movie, and thus deserved a lot
of attention.
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Msg : 125 of 300
From : Frank Swarbrick 1:104/825 .ōp 14 Hî˙ 95 20:08
To : All
Subj : The Invaders
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