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Msg : 99 of 195
From : Jon Helis 1:3800/25 .åō 22 .åâ 96 22:49
To : Gerry Normandeau
Subj : Re: Cybersex
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-=> Quoting Gerry Normandeau to Jon Helis <=-
GN> On 02-14-96 18:37 Jon Helis sent Barton Paul Levenson to the gallows
GN> pole because of Re: Cybersex!
-=> Quoting Barton Paul Levenson to Anders Danebo <=-
GN>
BPL> @MSGID: 1:129/26.0 3125bb20
BPL> @REPLY: 2:201/190.0 311ea93a
BPL> I think I know what you're trying to say, but I think you're mistaken
BPL> if you say sex can't be discussed seriously, under SF or otherwise.
BPL> Some interesting comments on sex and human sexuality have come out of
BPL> science fiction -- though usually books and not TV/movies. Cf LeGuin's
BPL> "The Left Hand of Darkness" or Philip Jose Farmer's "The Loverbirds"
BPL> (very daring when it first came out). Or anything by Heinlein after he
BPL> became obsessed with sex.
JH> The 1973 Michael Crichton film "Westworld" dealt with this issue
JH> in a very interesting way.
JH> Anyone who's seen it care to discuss it?
GN> Well that was a very good movie (I have it on tape) But the problem
GN> is it barley scratched the surface about the concept of cyber sex.
GN> Also taking into account they were robots and the film Crichton of
GN> course was more interested in showing how tecnology is bad and will
GN> kill us all. He's funny that way nes pa?
Westworld is one of my favorite all time movies. I've never
seen an uncut print of it I don't think, since my viewings of it
have been strictly late night broadcast TV showings of it.
Still a good movie nonetheless.
Even though they were robots, I still think it can be applied
here. In cybersex, or any other VR activity, nobody gets hurt,
which was the same in Westworld.
I look at the film from another point of view, that misdeeds,
even sanctioned misdeeds, in which nobody gets hurt, do have
consequences, and that certain behavior is simply immoral, and
should not go on, regardless of who gets hurt or not.
Anyone have an opinion on that?
... Security, confine Ensign Normandeau to the brig.
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Msg : 100 of 195
From : Jon Helis 1:3800/25 .˙ō 23 .åâ 96 00:43
To : Jeff Schmidt
Subj : Re: Hi Jon
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-=> Quoting Jeff Schmidt to Jon Helis <=-
JS> @MSGID: 1:3604/33.0 312d6749
-=> Quoting Jon Helis to Dean Sweatman <=-
JH> Sorry to hear about Black Tower closing down. It seems that
JH> alot of BBSes are closing, I guess due to increasingly available
JH> internet. Locally, there are a good number of BBSes for a city
JH> this size, but it seems alot of them are pay boards. I get alot
JH> of use out of this board, it's a bargain at $35/year.
JS> Hi Jon, I'm still up at least though I have a whopping two users as of
JS> the moment. I'm trying to carry FIAWOL over here; I can send stuff
JS> out on it but I've still not gotten anything in.
I'm sure your user base will increase in time. Again, it's good
you have your BBS back up.
JS> Pay boards suck.....
In some ways that's true, but I get alot of use out this board.
The sysop brought back this sub and Babylon 5 for me, he had
dropped them before because nobody was using them. As far as I
can tell, I'm the only caller using them right now. This board
also carries other echoes I'm active in, like the ham radio and
LA Chat echoes.
JS> First time I've been on this echo in about a year. I'm still trying
JS> to catch Space: Above and Beyond when possible. Hasn't been too
JS> possible lately though.
I catch it every Sunday night. Looks like this Sunday it's
getting pre-empted again, what a bummer. During football
season, you couldn't figure out when it was starting because of
games running over, now it's getting pre-empted. It seems like
Fox has done that a few times before, unfortunately. This is a
great series, and shouldn't get this kind of treatment.
... What can you do at 3 AM? Psssttt - got a modem??
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Msg : 101 of 195
From : Jon Helis 1:3800/25 .˙ō 23 .åâ 96 01:29
To : Channon Lang
Subj : Re: Star Trek
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-=> Quoting Channon Lang to Jon Helis <=-
CL> From a dark bottomless pit,Jon Helis screamed up to Channon Lang about
CL> Star Trek..
JH> I enjoy watching DS9, but Voyager, sometimes it's good, while at
JH> other times, outright disappointing. This inconsistency is
JH> slowly starting to push me away. Unless they start coming up
JH> with good scripts, I may write it off too.
CL> I was concerned about DS9 for a while...and really leary about Worf
CL> showing up there. But it seems to shaping up quite nicely. And Worf is
CL> finding a friend in Dax...it's interesing how quickly he replaced
CL> Deanna Troy, isn't it?
JH> Worf's relationship with Odo is somewhat interesting, in fact,
JH> it's beginning to look a little like Odo's relationship with
JH> Quark.
CL> It seems that Odo has that effect on people. Maybe it's one of those
CL> Love Hate relationships....I think if it came down to the wire Odo and
CL> Quark and probably even Worf would give everything to save the other.
JH> Last month, I got the chance to see Terry Farrel at a
JH> convention. She's a very entertaining speaker. Seeing her
JH> handle a 10 foot albino python was also interesting.
CL>
CL> Bet that was interesting....where did you get to see her?
I saw her at an Infinite Visions convention in New Orleans. It
was interesting to say the least. Brent Spiner was originally
set to appear, but he couldn't due to illness, so Terry Farrell
took his place.
JH> The ghosts of Battlestar Galactica and Space 1999 still haunt me
JH> when I see Voyager.
CL> I really like Battlestar Galactica...but then I was a teenage with a
CL> HUGE crush on Dirk Benedict, too...As for Space 1999, I couldn't stand
JH> I enjoyed Galactica's first few episodes, but it did later go
JH> down hill for me. It's spinoff, Galactica 1980, was a major
JH> disappointment for me. Space:1999 during its first season had
JH> some good stories, but the second season(which included Fred
JH> Frieberger, the producer of Star Trek's last season, and the
JH> introduction of a shapeshifting alien) really sucked the sewage.
JH> I still have my 2.5 foot long Eagle One playset around here
JH> somewhere. I also have a toy Cylon Raider spaceship, one of the
JH> ones that fires missiles, that were pulled from the market after
JH> a child suffered a choking accident.
CL> I must say, I did like the ships in Galactica. I really thought the
CL> cylon ships were the epidomy of a "flying saucer".
Yes they were. Those Sphinx-Like helmets were a little much
though. They were trying to capitalized on Erich Von Danekin I
guess. I always found it odd on the show, it seemed when the
Colonial Vipers got hit, they didn't take much damage, while one
shot would wipe out a Cylon ship.
I thought Boltar was a good villain. John Colicos played the
part well, but they messed up the series when they let him get
captured and put on the prison barge.
Lately, I've taken to watching Space:Above and Beyond. Ever
watcht that one?
... How come Pizza gets to your house faster than the Police?
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Msg : 102 of 195
From : Jon Helis 1:3800/25 .˙ō 23 .åâ 96 03:38
To : Jeroen Jacobs
Subj : Re: 'bugs' in ST: Generat
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-=> Quoting Jeroen Jacobs to All <=-
JJ> If somebody has found other mistakes (not necessarely in
JJ> 'generations'), please let me know.
JJ> Greetings from The Prince of Darkness,
If you like stuff like this, you should pick up one of the
Nitpicker's Guides, there's one for TOS and TNG. I have the TNG
version, and it has some interesting stuff in it. Give it a try.
... "How may I be honest with you today?" --Tuvok
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Msg : 103 of 195
From : Jon Helis 1:3800/25 .˙ō 23 .åâ 96 03:41
To : Dean Sweatman
Subj : Re: CRESCENT CITY CON XI
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Thanks for the info Dean. I cross posted it to BR Chat and LA
Chat, to help get the word out.
Sorry I missed Saturday, I didn't get the Email until around
1:00 AM on Friday! In addition, I've been battling a cold and
allergies, and took some medicine that put me right to sleep
Saturday afternoon. Maybe next time.
Number Six
... 90% of PC problems are located between the keyboard and the chair.
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Msg : 104 of 195
From : Jon Helis 1:3800/25 .˙ō 23 .åâ 96 11:38
To : Dean Sweatman
Subj : Re: The vision people str
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-=> Quoting Dean Sweatman to All <=-
DS> VISIONS '96 D.C.: A SCI-FI SUPER SHOW!
DS>
DS> March 23 & March 24 *** 10 am - 7 pm daily
DS>
DS> The Expo Center at the Ramada
DS> 8500 Anapolis Road
DS> New Carrollton MD
DS> 301-459-6700
DS>
DS> Guests: Ethan Phillips "NEELIX" of Star Trek Voyager
DS> Terry Farrell "DAX" of Star Trek Deep Space Nine
DS> James Doohan "SCOTTY" of Star Trek & Next Generation
DS> David Prowse "DARTH VADER" of Star Wars
DS> Warwick Davis "WICKET" of Star Wars & "WILLOW" of
DS> the film "Willow"
DS> Mark Goddard "MAJOR WEST" of Lost in Space
DS> World Famous Illusionists GIFFORD & ROY
DS>
DS> Captain's Chair from Star Trek Generations will be available for
DS> Photos
DS> ASK ABOUT THE SATURDAY NIGHT FORMAL RECEPTION WITH THE STARS!
DS>
DS> General admission $18.00 Children (5 - 12) $ 10.00
DS>
DS> ADVANCE TICKETS GO ON SALE 2/23/96 at 10:00 am. Call 508-255-6712.
DS>
DS> Call 508-240-3557 for More Information
DS>
DS> --
DS> CJF Enterprises
DS> PO Box 9075 email: VGCA29A@PRODIGY.COM Fall River MA
DS> 02720-0002 508-646-1324 Fax: 508-646-1325
DS>
DS> ** Keeper of the Captain's Chair off the Bridge of the USS
DS> Enterprises **
DS> Anyone want to hazzard a wild guess what kind of money they will be
DS> asking for this event?? Don't get me wrong Babs and I enjoyed our stay
DS> at the last trip that they made to New Orleans but with their 9 hour
DS> window per day getting to hear each of the guests will not be easy
