I think it is a wonderful possibility. True, the technical specs are
awsome and risks do abound but, at least, it's not a "dirty" kind of
reactor like Chernobyl.
I tend to look even more seriously at solar power, wind power and tidal
power as nifty alternatives too. Giant HYDRO projects simply won't fill
the bill down the line.
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Msg : 70 of 423
From : Richard Hudson 1:141/450 .îí 27 Hî˙ 95 12:19
To : Darre Luallen
Subj : Re: Vir Cotto
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
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BBS: The Pleasure Palace BBS
Date: 11-22-95 (15:55) Number: 1884
From: DARRE LUALLEN Refer#: 1872
To: DAVID REFFITT Recvd: NO
Subj: Re: Vir Cotto Conf: (9) Sffan
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DL> My appologies for putting my snout into this discussion, but here I go...
DL> On 11-19-95 David Reffitt wrote to Jeff Hancock...
DL> DR> Very interesting point. So, they would not consider givinng the job to
DL> DR> Vir?
DL>The thing to remember is that Vir is a lowly attache and Londo is an
DL>Ambassador. If Londo were to die before the show finished, then someone
DL>more capable (i.e., someone with a higher social standing) would receive the
DL>job. In fact, the Centarum does not even want Vir to be Londo's assistant.
DL>In one episode (I forget which one), they sent a replacement. But Londo
DL>pulled strings and got Vir his job back (although we never saw this
DL>replacement).
DL>Also to consider, the Centarum are more corrupt than most of the gov'ts
DL>currently on Earth (you decide). So, factors like Bribery and Blackmail
DL>would come into play. As Vir considers himself above such things (or below
DL>as the Centari would consider him), he would not stand a chance for the job.
DL>Of course, this is all a moot point since Vir would hop the next Flyer to
DL>Minbar if he thought that the Centarum was trying to give him the job.
The funny thing is that Vir IS on the next flyer to Minbar, or was if
you saw this weeks episode.
DL>As always, this is my humble opinion, based on what I read into the show and
DL>Earther politics and societies.
DL> Trying to achieve oneness with
DL> myself (with lots of Brevara)
DL> - Darre LuAllen
DL>"So many fishies left in the sea, So many fishies - but no-one for me..."
DL>___
DL> * OFFLINE 1.56 * Duck Dodgers in the Twenty Fourth and a
DL>Half Century!!!
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Msg : 71 of 423
From : David Hilling 1:262/32 .ōp 28 Hî˙ 95 22:18
To : Keith Stokes
Subj : Casting Pern
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
::To: Todd Sullivan From: Keith Stokes Subj: Casting Pern ::
----------------------@N
KS> * In a message originally to Todd Sullivan, David Hilling said:
TS> I have no idea; I'd like to see it happen, but McCaffery's lawyers are
TS> a nasty bunch; ask why Brigadoon isn't called PernNet any more.
KS>
KS> That isn't nasty. That is just protecting the rights of Ms McCaffrey
KS> and her estate. If those rights aren't protected from realatively
KS> innocent infringments, they are lost for more commercial purposes as
KS> well.
KS> Keith
Wait just a fire-breathin' minute there partner. Look a liitle closer and
you'll see that Todd said that, not me. I love Anne McCaffrey unreservedly.
My only beef is that I've coughed up $30.00 for "one last Pern book" just
about once too often. I would love to see a movie (or six) set on Pern.
BTW, how do you feel about David Crosby as Robinton? O.K., then, how about
Dennis Hopper?
... Dragons are cuddly flamethrowers.
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Msg : 72 of 423
From : David Hilling 1:262/32 .ōp 28 Hî˙ 95 22:18
To : Barton Paul Levenson
Subj : Favorites
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
::To: David Hilling From: Barton Paul Levenson Subj: Favorites ::
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BPL> I like some of Heinlein's work (generally, the juveniles and
BPL> _Friday_) while disliking the rest (any of the
BPL> up-with-freedom-space-and-incest late novels).
Well, to each his own. He did have a bit of a tendency to climb his soapbox
frequently in his last few years. On the other hand, few SF authors (or any
other variety) have had as much to say. I am in complete agreement with him
on the importance of space exploration. Like Mr. Heinlein, had it not been
for medical technology developed by and for the space program, my days on
Time Line 3 would have been greatly shortened. Most of you who weren't
around during the glory days of NASA just can't understand the sense of
excitement and wonder that accompanied each new launch. I remember following
Alan Shepard's Mercury flight on the radio, as we didn't have a TV yet. And
I will never forget being allowed to stay up way past my bedtime to watch
the moon landing (with commentary by Arthur C. Clarke and RAH).
As to up-with-freedom, it's like jazz. If you have to ask, you'll never
know. Great Ghu, man, read your newspaper! For the last fifteen years,
we've had fascist idiots calling themselves conservatives (many of whom
can't spell `conservative', much less define it, much, much less be it)
who seem determined to defacate on the Constitution and wipe themselves
on the Bill of Rights.
I'm a little less enthusiastic about incest, but this may be because my
sister's kind of ugly....
... You can have Peace. OR You can have Freedom.
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Msg : 73 of 423
From : Todd Sullivan 1:202/720.3 .ōp 28 Hî˙ 95 09:17
To : Daniel Nystrom
Subj : Gibson
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Whilst falling into the sun on 26 Nov 95, Daniel Nystrom yelled to All:
DN> Hi!
DN> Someone want to chat about William Gibson's books?
DN> I've just reached the end of MONA LISA Overddrive...
DN> But I have already read Neuromancer, Virtual Light!
You missed "Count Zero" and "Burning Chrome". Check them out.
Todd Sullivan
... If you can read this, my cloaking device is on the fritz.
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Msg : 74 of 423
From : Todd Sullivan 1:202/720.3 .ōp 28 Hî˙ 95 09:21
To : Keith Stokes
Subj : Casting Pern
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Whilst falling into the sun on 26 Nov 95, Keith Stokes yelled to me:
TS>> I have no idea; I'd like to see it happen, but McCaffery's lawyers are
TS>> a nasty bunch; ask why Brigadoon isn't called PernNet any more.
KS>
KS> That isn't nasty. That is just protecting the rights of Ms McCaffrey
KS> and her estate. If those rights aren't protected from realatively
KS> innocent infringments, they are lost for more commercial purposes as
KS> well.
Call it what you like, but there's still a point passed called "going too far
for insufficient reason". If the fans are going to be treated in this manner
(and PernNet's creators were), they'll stop being fans, the money stops coming
in; and just where will Ms McCaffery's estate and lawyers be when that happens?
I'm done, Nicolai; don't bother.
Todd Sullivan
... "Come along, my little booboochitos." --Opus
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Msg : 75 of 423
From : Chris Ogniben 1:2604/568 .ōp 28 Hî˙ 95 10:13
To : Tommy Kellerman
Subj : Nuclear space drives
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
There are no wormholes in real space. There are Black Holes, but,
even those would tear a ship apart, since nothing can go through a
black hole. So, there probably won't be inter stellar travel.
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Msg : 76 of 423
From : Chris Carter 1:105/290.23 .pä 29 Hî˙ 95 07:23
To : The Raven
Subj : B5 -- Coincidence?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
On (26 Nov 95) The Raven wrote to Chris Carter...
CC> I do admit that there is no ready way to prove that he
CC> *didn't* lift stuff, but I've been given little reason not to
CC> believe JMS when he claims not to have been exposed to
CC> something.
TR> I know I am going to get crunched for even thinking this,
No, I'm not in the crunching mood. (Jaw... hurts. Can... eat...
nothing but... pasta.) :)
TR> but life can't exist in a vacuum. Every writer on the planet
TR> knows that you can't help but be exposed to things, and you
TR> *always* use what you are exposed to for inspiration, even
TR> when you don't know that you are doing it.
Oh sure. I won't deign to disagree with this. But I think that
the notion of 'lifting' from another source implies a conscious
intent to do so. I don't believe that JMS has done this.
As for inspiration, there are a few ways to look a that as well.
JMS' exposure to anime is at this point, entirely unknown, aside
from the comments he's made. I would hesitate to say that anime has
had an influence on JMS' writing of B5 if the only anime he has
actually seen is 'Sailor Moon.' (I have a rough time with the
imagery of Sheridan fighting the Shadows by yelling things like,
"Moon Scepter Elimination!") On the other hand, if he's been
exposed indirectly to anime by seeing a work that really did lift
heavily from one or more of the serial programs that have been
discussed here earlier, that introduces the possibility of
second-hand (or potentially third or fourth-hand, etc.) lifting.
At any rate, while your point is well taken, I still don't think
that JMS has consciously lifted from anime. As for unconsciously
using elements present in anime to write his story, this is
certainly possible, though I'm still more tempted to go with the
notion of parallel development. One's exposure to something can be
entirely nil, and you can still get production of a work remarkably
similar to that original something.
Chris - carter@teleport.com
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