GN>great,
GN>great grandson will end the story.
NS> Nope. Because the hero will be on board a ship that will be pushing
NS> the speed of light within a year, and relativistic effects
NS> (time dilation) will get him to the stars in decent ship-
NS> time.
Yes but the problen is the adventure can only take place on that ship.
Character interaction outside the confines of the ship is imposible because
of the time problem. As for trade at relativistic speed, we should look back at
the old Ducth East India Co. Each ship that is sent is a big deal and carries
vast quantities of preshious goods. Most definatly finished products such as
art (especialy alien art and artifacts), unique textiles and preshious gems and
high tec goods. Of course the ships will be huge to offset the fact that very
get in and out of port very often. The companys would be powers untothemselves
like the Dutch East India.
GN> Hyperspace is not the creation of a single author. It is a
GN>sientific
GN>theory dating back to I don't know when.
NS> It is a science fiction convention; it is not scientific theory.
Strange I could have sworn it was a theory? Oh well };>
NS> While the above sig lines may be considered acceptable on
NS> Internet/Usenet, where the communications costs are seldom
NS> picked up by the individuals posting same, this is
NS> FidoNet. They are to be discouraged. And on this
NS> conference (which I moderate) they are out and out
NS> forbidden. Please lose the signature in future.
AW Nuts! And it was so pretty too! };> Ok no problem!
... Dragons again? I activate my +6 St. George Surface to Air Missile
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
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Msg : 39 of 100
From : Gerry Normandeau 1:163/430 .˙ō 27 .ęō 95 00:00
To : Mark David
Subj : Re: SAAB: Propulsion Sys
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Mark was heard putting a contract on All because of SAAB: Propulsion Systems!
MD> I am reffering to the Oct. 8 episode (the one before last--sorry, I
MD> didn't catch the title).
MD> The cargo craft uses a nuclear propulsion system (I cite the numerous
MD> refrences to technology currently in use, ie. control rods, feul
MD> cells, ect.)
MD> Using the refrences given, it sounded like the writers took a tour of
MD> a nuclear power plant, in particular a MHTGR or IFR type reactor
MD> system.
MD> Now, first of all, I wonder how propulsion was achieved with nuclear
MD> fission. As you may or may not know, nuclear power production is
MD> really just a very fancy steam-turbine system. I can see a pulse-type
MD> propulsion, matter-antimatter conversion, fussion-generated plasma
MD> propulsion--but I'm at a loss how one would go about making a ship
MD> move using fission power. That piddling little core we saw in that
MD> episode might generate about 100kW or so.
Workable but by no means practical. For a fission reactor to be used as
a propulsion system you take two large tubes and fill the space betwen with
uranium pellets and then force liqued hydrogen through them causing the
hudrogen to become superheated and forcing it out the back. The idea was being
worked on by the US Air Force in the mid '70s and produced 50% better thrust
than conventional rockets. Of course the steam would be fantasticly radioactive!
MD> Which brings me to my next question--how the hell do you use Helium-3
MD> in a fission reactor? Aside from a coolant in the MHTGR (Modular High
MD> Tempature Gas-cooled Reactor) system, I can see no use for it, and
MD> certainly cannot justify the evident importance placed on it.
You got me there!};> Especialy the size of the container was that of a large
thermous. If there is somthing we have in abundance in the universe is helium.
... A Red Dragon?! Hmmph! I grab my trusty spoon +2 and charge 'im!!
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
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Msg : 40 of 100
From : Boris CDuke 2:463/2.22 .cę 29 .ęō 95 13:55
To : All
Subj : test
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
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TYPE: Unknown area
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Hi All!
Sombody from 1st zone please send me this message back via INTERNET to:
boris@sfclub.freenet.kiev.ua.
Thanx
Bestest, Boris
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Msg : 41 of 100
From : Michael Harper 1:123/10 .åō 26 .ęō 95 15:13
To : Starwolf
Subj : Kubrik?
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
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TYPE: Unknown area
AREA:SFFAN
> Oh, OK. The original post hadn't been clear as to the
> separation between director and personality. I can't comment
> on the latter save to say 'was'. He's been dead from some
> time.
Au contraire, mon ami. Kubrick is still alive, and has a film in the cooker even
as we speak. It's called A.I. and is due out next year sometime, barring
complications. Rumour mill has it that Kubrick has known about his property for
some years, but was waiting for the technology to make it possible.
It occurs to me that with the advances in CGI, it's now possible to do a decent
film adaptation of Alfie Bester's THE STARS MY DESTINATION... please, God...
> As for THE SHINING, I didn't much care for it, either.
Did anybody? I mean, it wasn't bad, but it also wasn't Steve's book, either.
I'll never admit it around Steve, but I actually enjoyed bits of it...
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Msg : 42 of 100
From : Don Dellmann 1:154/750 .ķá 28 .ęō 95 06:17
To : Beth Lunney
Subj : hercules
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AREA:SFFAN
.TID: FastEcho 1.45a 8060
While tripping merrily through the mail, Beth Lunney was overheard
BL> Can anyone tell me when the show Hercules airs? I'd like to start
BL> watching it, but don't feel like reading through the whole tv guide to
BL> find out when it's on. Kinda lazy, I know.
BL> thanks,
Since it's a "syndicated" show now, it could be any time, you'll have
to call your local stations if you don't wanna dig through the paper.
(FWIW, here in Beertown it's aired occasionaly (alternating with
episodes of "Xena") on Wednsday nights at 7:00 PM central time on
the "independent" station that's owned by the UPN station.
Don
... Heisenberg might have been here
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Msg : 43 of 100
From : David Johnston 1:342/14 .ķá 28 .ęō 95 00:07
To : Mark David
Subj : Re: Re: Saab: The Invitro
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-> I can see no use for slave labour in an industialized society. We
-> know, given the AIs, their robotics technology is amazingly
-> advanced--robots would prove far more efficient in the kind of labour
-> we see the invitros pressed into. And probably cheaper, too.
Probably...if they weren't leery of using humanoid robots for anything
as a result of the AI war.
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Msg : 44 of 100
From : Jon Helis 1:396/40 .ķá 28 .ęō 95 19:40
To : Don Dellmann
Subj : Re: hercules
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
FROM: 2:463/2
TYPE: Unknown area
AREA:SFFAN
.TID: InterEcho 1.12 6E010867
-=> Quoting Don Dellmann to Beth Lunney <=-
DD> While tripping merrily through the mail, Beth Lunney was overheard
BL> Can anyone tell me when the show Hercules airs? I'd like to start
BL> watching it, but don't feel like reading through the whole tv guide to
BL> find out when it's on. Kinda lazy, I know.
BL> thanks,
DD> Since it's a "syndicated" show now, it could be any time, you'll have
DD> to call your local stations if you don't wanna dig through the paper.
DD> (FWIW, here in Beertown it's aired occasionaly (alternating with
DD> episodes of "Xena") on Wednsday nights at 7:00 PM central time on
DD> the "independent" station that's owned by the UPN station.
If you have cable, WGN Chicago airs Hurcules and Xena back to back on Friday
nights at 7:00 P.M. Central.
... Nothing is so simple that it cant get screwed up. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
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Msg : 45 of 100
From : Tony Trujillo 1:280/9 .ķá 28 .ęō 95 02:51
To : Keith Stokes
Subj : Re: Bat villains
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.TID: GE 1.11+
TT>>You mean THE MASK OF THE PHANTASM? I've been meaning to rent
TT>>this one for awhile.
KS> Thats the one. I give it a strong recomendation.
::in Buck Wheat voice::
O'tay!!!!
KS> BTW Its nice to see you around the net again! Are you going to
KS> ConTraception?
I don't know if I'd really feel comfortable at a con with
a name like that! :^)
Actually, my next con will be SOONERCON in Okee City. I'm
really looking forward to meeting Zane, Grace, Lonnie, Jo
and some other Fido-nutters from other echoes. It should be
a really cool time.
... HEINLEINEKIN'S: The Strange Beer in a Strange Can
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Msg : 46 of 100
From : Mark Jones 1:105/302.47 .åō 26 .ęō 95 18:11
To : Mark David
Subj : SAAB: Propulsion Systems
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TYPE: Unknown area
AREA:SFFAN
On (24 Oct 95) Mark David wrote to All...
MD> As you may or may not know, nuclear power production is really
MD> just a very fancy steam-turbine system. I can see a pulse-type
MD> propulsion, matter-antimatter conversion, fussion-generated
MD> plasma propulsion--but I'm at a loss how one would go about
MD> making a ship move using fission power. That piddling little core
MD> we saw in that episode might generate about 100kW or so.
It's quite simple, really. They use a Dean Drive. The fission plant
spins a rotor, and the Dean Drive converts the rotary energy into
linear motion! They're flying through space on the world's biggest
electric drill motor!
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Msg : 47 of 100
From : Mark Jones 1:105/302.47 .˙ō 27 .ęō 95 18:22
To : Mark David
